There Are Too Many "Annoying Liberals" Onscreen

[@thetake]

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[@katherinealvarez9216]

Okay, stamps. At least it doesn't sell Scottish land and titles and probably a scam.

[@Josh729J]

"Florida's homophobic dont say gay bill" Did you guys do any research at all? people like you who parrot lies they hear without even doing any research is exactly why people are upset with liberals. That bill has nothing to do with being gay it was about what age to teach adult subjects in schools.

[@JBTriple8]

cant you at least give Hollywood effort for trying to though I enjoy Progressive Hollywood you have to learn to take wins make a video on that

[@Jenny-vm3yu]

I don’t think Tahani is there to mock liberalism itself, more a very specific type of person that does actually exist in this world. The humanitarian who only does it for clout and competition. That’s how she effectively ends up in hell/ the Bad Place. She does undergo a tremendous amount of character development over the following seasons though. She is is way more than just a stereotype. There are reasons why she is the way she is and they are explored in depth. Then she goes on to genuinely care and work for improvement.

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

Agree, I liked her character a lot.

[@Tenju96]

Mmmmh yeah she's a very cliché representation of virtue-signalling, which a lot of people are doing... Claiming support for a cause they know nothing about and don't want to hear about, because they're just here to feel good about themselves, and hearing they're wrong is going against their purpose..

[@Noname.118]

@@Tenju96 thank you. I was so confused on why they put Tahani when she was never intended to be a “liberal”. I actually thought they were going to talk about the actress 😅

[@saxyrep1]

@@Tenju96 Also, she's a derisive denounciation of the concept of "the humanistic super wealthy benefactor" whose charity work isn't motivated by the cause but rather by the gain they obtain from it. Selfishness and egotism wrapped in pretend altruism. And I agree that her development make her a particularly interesting/likable character for it.

[@annabeatrizzimmermann7708]

That is very true, and nuanced, but i always think of her as virtue signaling philanthropist, even though as you get to know her and her sister/family you begin to understand her full character. She is not really a liberalism mocking character, but much more.

[@leilamaach5229]

I always get confused for 2 seconds before realising realising, "oh yeah, it's USA's definition of liberals".

[@vicalonso6597]

Yeah, I'm from Chile and that happens to me too, I understand liberals as people who actually are normally conservative and they don't like taxes and the government involved in any private sector, so they prefer free market and follow the laissez faire doctrine. Also I think what is considered "left" in USA is actually "center" in a lot of developed countries, basic welfare policies.

[@merry_christmas]

@Vic Alonso Coming from the West-Europe: YES! Most right-winged free-market anti-government people here (so... actual liberals) still support baseline healthcare, education, etc. We barely consider that part of the political discourse. The only debate is the extent of that support. So in the eyes of an average American, even our most conservative liberals classify woke communist leftists. 😅

[@politereminder6284]

🤣🤣🤣 me too!

[@nicolesong6199]

ah, an australian

[@stephie_nya]

Same here. American "liberals" are barely left-leaning at best.

[@lanzinator4734]

Reminder to other leftists that nobody understands or cares about the difference between liberals and leftists besides us.

[@NotSoPhotogenic]

I understand this all too well, unfortunately.

[@caitlinparks8203]

So painfully true

[@troddenleper8915]

It is a product of conservative propaganda. I mean they always conflate liberals with leftists, both pigeon holed as communist terrorist. They always say woke this woke that. But in reality, most institutions in the US are conservative. the TV, Hollywood, and the like. Famous self proclaimed "conservatives" are in actuality far right. There are no far left institutions in the US. Just far right and even extremist.

[@LoganNagol]

Omg I wish I could be so smart and understand things like you 😫😫😫

[@gluck5869]

Americentric nonsense

[@trinaq]

You can write left wing characters without making them preachy, condescending or trying to shove their beliefs down people's throats. I used to enjoy Lisa Simpson, but she's become so overzealous in her beliefs in the latter seasons.

[@TeresaKinsley]

Like every character in the show, it’s all Lisa has been reduced to in the later seasons without any charm or even legit humor. Same way Homer has been a lot dumber & selfish that it stopped being funny.

[@sto1238]

Liberals aren’t left wing

[@ggk9828]

I'll have to disagree, but hear me out. A truly left wing character would not be possible due to the fundamental differences in ideals and worldviews. It's why when they ARE portrayed they come across as whiney and self centered. To a generally right wing, righ adjacent, right influenced world and worldview.... The left..... Is a foreogn weird scary and dangerous thing. My two cents!

[@ajstudios9210]

You can, and one of the ways to do it is to have them stop bragging about their supposed beliefs and just be a person of action who actually does it without calling attention to it. It's that simple.

[@dokessezeaka5159]

I mean they're just immitating reality at this point 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@PrettyPrincess9609]

I understand that every show and movie can be critiqued but what bothers me is when people start calling everything the “ woke agenda “ anytime they see a person of color, a female lead character, or someone that’s apart of the LGBT community. It’s like they want every single movie to revolve around straight white men and everyone else should either be a token character that’s simply there to help the lead white character or not be represented at all.

[@jp9707]

Exactly!! Like how everyone complained that Jordan Peele's latest film was "too woke" simply because it starred black actors, even though the film wasn't even political

[@nekrataali]

There's only two genders: male and """political""" Two races: white and """political""" Two sexualities: straight and """political""" Two religions: Christian and """political"""

[@alim.9801]

THANK YOU. I would like to throw the word woke away completely at this point, it's just become a whistle (not even a dogwhistle at this point) and it doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. Just annoying, especially in contexts like you described.

[@inescastellano7960]

It is an agenda when you change something classic for "modern audiences" instead of creating new stories from zero.

[@19katherine1213]

That’s exactly what they want

[@KM-hc7ge]

I think characters like lindsay bluth and tahani are def different to someone like britta personally bc the former are typical wealthy upper class "humanitarians" trying to boost their image while financially benefiting from oppressive systems while britta's intentions are genuine she's just a typical sheltered white saviour type that tries to do what's right but speaks more than she listens and ends up speaking over marginalised people instead of speaking up for them and that's part of her character development, she's always getting called out by Shirley like there's that scene where britta's incapable of having a girly bathroom talk without being judgy and preachy so Shirley teaches her to listen and empathise

[@kevinlittrell3407]

I think Britta encapsulates a lot of college liberals. The passion and anger is 100% genuine, but they either don’t know or don’t care how they come off to other people. I feel like I was pretty guilty of this too.

[@tetshua_2127]

In one episode of a Korean drama Attorney Woo, there was one liberal lawyer who stood up to women's rights. She wasn't depicted at all like how the US depicts liberals: no smugness or condescension but rather genuineness and hope. Even the main character, despite being on the opposing side of the courtroom admired her. The series made it a point to depict her in a way that will make the audience not only like this character, but believe in her cause even if it seemed hopeless. That's what was lacking in American media depictions of liberals who paint them as nutjobs

[@espeon871]

That's so sweet esp in asia where its very conservative and being a feminist can even risk people their careers. Cuz its so taboo.

[@bas_ee]

Eastern countries are so much better than western countries, when you look at the 'humanity' side of life. So much more respect for nature and people. Im from the Netherlands, so im western. But the greed seen here and especially in America is just sad to see. Obviously liberals (people who want change) are ridiculed in western movies, because big money/corpo dont want people who want change. They earn money the way it is

[@datuangela]

From the media I've consumed from current mainstream US, their stories seem to lack a certain sense of genuine wholesomeness. It's very jaded. Even when it's progressive. V dystopian.

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

It's giving "You are causing drama by standing up to the toxicity in the family"

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Lolz.

[@MsCarotty]

yea very "Meg gives a 'you suck' speech to all her family and they blame her for finally speaking up to herself" from family guy

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

@@MsCarotty Yes and I was proud of Meg

[@RoninRen]

can the same be implied, that if people ask for their due credit, they get called braggart, or entitled?

[@jamigoddess]

It’s this hypocrisy. They call out everyone else but are the worst offenders.

[@benzur3503]

The trope reminded me of how JKR wrote hermione’s anti elf slavery campaign. As a silly opposition to how things are.

[@sammyvictors2603]

Jk Rowling has become very much like Aunt Petunia is recent years.

[@SoniaSephia]

It's really messed up too considering that JK Rowling claimed that Hermione was black all along. So we have a black Hermione trying to liberate slaves when she was most likely a descendant of slaves as well. That seems even more messed up. Also we know it's bull crap considering if Hermione was meant to be black all along why did JK rolling agree to have the whitest girl play Hermione? JK Rowling really has become Unbridged!

[@Nightman221k]

@@sammyvictors2603 I'd argue that Ol' Joanne is more like Aunt Marge than anyone else with the unsolicited, bitchy opinions and inability to stop the flow of her diarrhea-of-the-mouth. Aunt Petunia having a shitty life makes me feel a degree of empathy for her that I just can't for Rowling.

[@Mr-Rinn]

@@sammyvictors2603 I’d have said Umbridge, but yes.

[@eddyawesomes]

THANK YOU!

[@Spicie95]

As an outside observer of American society, I find it so weird to read online debates about social issues within the USA. Whenever someone points out an imbalance in the US, which could easily be solved by refocusing taxes or raising the minimum wage enough to actual be livable, the right wingers always insist that it is exclusively up to the individual to fight their way out of poverty, even though the solutions suggested require the very social change they argue against. In Denmark, we take it as a given that we need to help people be able to make their way through life.

[@jp9707]

'Individualism' is just a more palatable word for 'selfishness'

[@nekrataali]

@Marie It's the result of protestant work ethic and puritan thinking. And remember: puritans were considered so fanatical European Catholics thought they were too much and kicked them out of the continent.

[@lynnevetter]

@@jp9707 perfection. Americans can be considered definitely selfish. There is a lot of generosity, but anything that involves changing oneself, fogettaboutit!

[@alim.9801]

@@jp9707 preach dude

[@alim.9801]

Denmark sounds so great rn 🥲

[@PokhrajRoy.]

First of all, being divorced from politics is not the flex media people think it is. Also, art is meant to be political and speak truth to power.

[@beethovensfidelio]

Tell that to the right wing dudebros who complain about movies getting political because the lead is gay or female.

[@chaaaargh]

@@beethovensfidelio or *gasp* the character isn't white! blasphemy...

[@ChristophBrinkmann]

@@beethovensfidelio We have been telling this to those Chads. For decades

[@jenniferw7928]

@@7773CLA the context of this conversation is television and film- these are collaborative mediums, not just one person self expressing. It's the intersection of all these different collaborators that make world experiences, frameworks and belief systems become important- in other words: politics

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

@@7773CLA nailed it (in my view) great job!

[@PokhrajRoy.]

I’m so happy that Ronald Reagan’s involvement was mentioned. BeKindRewind has many videos about his work with political institutions.

[@GeneralOlde]

Everything bad happening in America can be traced right back to Reagan.

[@Annihilated481]

I miss that man.

[@sparklyunicorn5431]

He ruined so much! Gross.

[@teenkitsune]

As a leftist myself I find this conservative fuss over "woke Hollywood" to be laughable. The fact that even the bare minimum of lip service gets conservative media this riled up just tells me that conservatism really is just about celebrating the worst in humanity.

[@nosoynadaoriginal]

This

[@alienboy1322]

@Teenkitsune It's just dumbasses that don't understand what they're saying.

[@nekrataali]

God, I wish we lived in the world conservatives think we do. They make Hollywood, democrats, gay people, and Judaism sound fucking rad.

[@dokessezeaka5159]

I find that leftistism is all about WHO you are rather than WHAT you say. Look at twitter leftist descend on just conservative speakers , but appload the same thing when it's spoke by a fellow left winger

[@jenniferw7928]

@@dokessezeaka5159 Twitter is used by a fraction of the population and it actively encourages outrageous takes and arguments- it's not a reflection of any political belief system. Also, do you have any examples of people changing their values based on who said what? Because that sounds suspiciously hollow...

[@treatpeoplewithkindness2955]

I understand the point, however as someone who consider herself as progressive I think we cannot denied that there is a difference between real activism and doing things just for clout. For example I remember a lot of influencers that went to the BLM protests just to take pictures of themselves. So indeed being liberal and fighting for good causes is great, however there are people who do this things just to get recognition. Also there are people (conservative and liberal) which funny enough end up being very closed minded.

[@kp782]

Yes!!

[@SeiferVII]

Right, but this video essay shows that these people are so rarely seen in television, except for the examples they gave near the end like Leslie Knope. I also think Britta is a lot more genuine than people give her credit for.

[@rinatlas-bane]

This! Also people say they're liberal and support people with mental illness just so they can pat themselves on the back for being "good people". Yet those same people in my real life experience, are judgemental and make fun of autistic people because they didn't realize that person has autism. They refuse to associate with "weird" people who have "weird" vibes just because they can't recognize when someone has mental illness. All while they pretend to care about mental illness acceptance and spend their life hating people with mental illness without taking the time to get to know those people. And yes, a lot of "weird" people probably have mental illness and just don't understand what they're doing wrong socially and get rejected for it.

[@allaboutthemurzic]

This

[@hefoughtabear118]

you just recapped the video. idk why this comment is written as if you disagree with what it's saying

[@superhannah000]

Autistic-coding would be a great video! They often are genius women or the "unusually" successful woman for her time. Temperance Brennan in Bones, Catherine Walker in The Amazing Mrs. Pritchard, Paris Gellar in Gilmore Girls, Elsbeth Tascioni in The Good Wife, etc.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Such a good title for a vid. Also, I would add Christina Yang from Grey’s Anatomy.

[@jessie3302]

Agreed

[@AliFareedMC]

Oh Britta is in this?

[@trinaq]

Yep, she's either the worst, or streets ahead! ❤️

[@bbrbbr-on2gd]

@@trinaq She's a GDB. But she means well.

[@lkf8799]

😆

[@jchacho6335]

I don’t know that I would call Tahani liberal. She was a rich socialite that raised money for charities. Lots of conservatives fit that bill, too. There was nothing political about her agenda.

[@blackfox4138]

Funny enough, the most liberal character that’s written well that I can think of is Green Arrow from Justice League Unlimited. His politics were an aspect of his character, but didn’t define him. The only time he brings up his politics is when they’re relevant to the issues at hand.

[@fantuswitt9063]

I also think of DR.Cox from Scrubs who is a liberal atheist but has enough other aspects about his character that makkes him one of the most likeable ckaracters of the show

[@markgarcia8253]

I love how you pointed out the DC character for this example. Yes his beliefs are a part of his character. I personally see Batman as a Libertarian for that same reason. He see the value of money but that doesn’t define him as person. But rather defending the innocent from the villains of Gotham

[@SeasideDetective2]

But in the '60s wasn't he a conservative, or at least "not liberal enough" by countercultural standards?

[@vb2806]

Wait how was he liberal? Just asking.

[@blackfox4138]

@@vb2806 he says that he’s an “Old Leftie. When the people don’t have enough it’s the government’s job to pick up the slack.”

[@michaelramsey82]

I unironically adore Britta. Yes, she's a bit overbearing and sometimes barks up the wrong tree, but you can tell her heart's in the right place, and I kinda identify with her. She didn't turn out to be a villain, just a lovable goofball.

[@SeiferVII]

I wish they didn't Britta her so much. She would've made a good foil for Jeff, but they ended up dumbing her down and making her more "under" him later. I still like her character a lot, though.

[@Tenju96]

People trying to change the world will indeed always seem annoying. If nobody thinks you're annoying, you're not doing anything. Change is always uncomfortable. No change has been made peacefully.

[@lunakitten._.4871]

One could also argue that some people try to change the world by trying to force people to give up the traditions that their ancestors passed down to them and that no one has the right to force another to do so. I believe in live and let live, and I resent making other people uncomfortable for change that benefits a few and potentially harms the majority.

[@planetarysolidarity]

Right. I think that this video is partially mistaken. Post Reagan media are more about mocking the desire for change. It's less about the ideology being left of center than it being supposedly uncool - a buzzkill.

[@kayalvizhi7611]

Diane from Bojack horseman!! She genuinely cared sm about the well being of others but her character was written to come off as annoying

[@alim.9801]

Perfect example omg

[@Annihilated481]

That's literally what liberals are in real life, worse even. wtf are you on about.

[@st4ree]

omg she fits this so well

[@Ciritheragdoll]

Because trying to disrrupt the stablishment usually is bad recieved by those profiting from the stablishment, like a lot of series / movies producers and executives.

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

Nailed it!!!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@jelatinosa]

Establishment* but, yes I agree.

[@nekrataali]

I've been amazed at what recent shows and movies have gotten away with. "Judas and the Black Messiah" absolutely did not white wash Fred Hampton's politics nor absolve the FBI of their crimes. It seems like 30 years ago, they would have made Hampton a pacifist who was murdered by the Ku Klux Klan while the FBI tried to stop white supremacy....which was basically the plot of Mississippi Burning.

[@Jamietheroadrunner]

I’m sorry but I love Britta. She’s actually written in a sympathetic way most of the time.

[@SeiferVII]

She became a lot worse as the series went on, but I feel like in the first half of the series she was great.

[@abraham2172]

Because theyre an easy target. Liberals, other than conservatives, are able to laugh at themselves, wich is why portraying liberals as annoying isnt much of a risk to movie studios. Conservatives would gladly watch anything that presents liberals as bad in any way, but if conservatives were portrayed the same way, it would immediantly cause a massive shitstorm from the right. The conservative side is simply put much more ruthless at defending their public image and damaging the image of political opponents, and it pays off. "Attacking" a conservative in public is riskier because conservatives wouldnt hesitate to flood a persons social media account with hate, threaten them or even physically attack them if they felt assaulted.

[@heyysophie9928]

Except 99% of modern media and art caters SPECIFICALLY to a left wing audience😂 Nice try

[@DakaloMooi_05]

Are you freaking kidfing,???? Have you watched anything produced in the last 15 - 20 years

[@jelatinosa]

@@heyysophie9928 it only seems this way to conservatives, because they are sensitive about everything and therefore easily offended. I mean, at this point it seems like the whole of reality is left leaning.

[@pen3169]

@@heyysophie9928 what kinda echo chamber are you in to think left wingers are being catered to 🤣go touch grass

[@beccadina6712]

According to the big five personality assessment (sometimes used by large companies to assess future performance in potential applicants), the trait of high openness is often associated with liberalness because of the person's willingness to explore new concepts. Since art is often about pushing societal boundaries, this would explain why people would say art is liberal. High conscientiousness is often associated with conservativism because they have been shown to be more likely to enforce traditional values. This isn't a black and white issue though, since someone can have high scores in conscientiousness and openness, but the higher one tends to influence how others view them. I have my highest score in openness, and a high (but lower) score in conscientiousness, which translates into the annoying liberal who gardens, raises a family, goes to church, but also is against the conservative pro-family movements of censorship in libraries and school curriculum. I also write really long, stereotypically annoying comments on KZbin that no one asks for. I really relate to the Jacob character from Abbott elementary for that reason. Though, I like to donate money to causes like food donation organizations, the Smithsonian (you get a magazine, too), and local literacy non-profits.

[@SylvitaHandmade]

I like that you covered this trope! This is similar to the “annoying vegan trope” too. I’ve found that this trope is often perpetuated by a specific type of insecure liberal who feels possibly guilt for not doing as much as they’d like (or they get easily discouraged and unmotivated) but instead of focusing on what they are doing to make a difference in the world, they enjoy poking fun at those who do make efforts for a cause so they can feel better about themselves.

[@kanglongshankz3313]

It's just how an accurate observation into how these people behave. They also self-awareness, which is why this video exists.

[@p.s.224]

The bad thing is that many people‘s idea of how vegans or progressives are gets shaped by these tropes. This really hurts as people don’t want to consider “annoying“ people‘s arguments, both because the ideas themselves are made to be a laughing stock by association and because people are afraid of being viewed as annoying themselves. Btw. I never met an annoying vegan. I met vegans who had to defend their convictions against omnivores who, as soon as they realized there was a vegan at the table, hat to try to convince them of how wrong and stupid veganism is. When it dawned on them that they might lose the argument, they brought up the “vegans are annoying“ talking point.

[@christophersmith3005]

Add the "annoying tree-hugging environmentalist" to your list of tropes.

[@bas_ee]

To be honest, the annoying vegan trope was kinda true, but only when the vegan scene started to become a thing. After everyone 'settled', vegans were vegans and omniviores stayed omnivores (lmao whats the right word. Just non-vegan?), nobody cared anymore to convert each other. But vegans definitely were annoying at the beginning

[@bas_ee]

Also, yes. Vegans do help the environment, and i respect their choises, always have.

[@wijcik]

The conservative characters have given me chills of fear for years. I loved Brooklyn 99 for its casual diversity and representation of intelligent Liberals.

[@jcpndn]

Jonah in Superstore is a great example of this

[@natalyamartirosyan]

TBH I always sympathized with him. I see what is annoying to others but I agree with him mostly.

[@fantuswitt9063]

@@natalyamartirosyan Me too

[@MomoMensch]

true. still love the show because in the end he is always right and everyone knows it and capitalism is the bad guy and everybody knows

[@remytherat2929]

I don’t think they have even seen superstore because they never mention it but it’s so good and would work for a lot of the stuff they talk about

[@tessajones9393]

Yesssss

[@LF-mg3nx]

I've only recently started watching Community and I initially thought Britta was annoying but now I kinda love her and she's actually kind of amazing

[@Nightriser271828]

I had the opposite arc. I loved her at first, because she was smart and the first to see through Jeff's facade. She was shaping up to make a strong foil to Jeff. Then they dumbed down her character and Britta'd Britta.

[@NotSoPhotogenic]

I'm to the Left of U.S. Liberals, politically speaking, and I often find Liberals annoying. Unfortunately, many of the Liberals I interact with on a regular basis fit these caricatures quite well.

[@Josh729J]

im both left and right and i find conservatives more level headed and easy to talk to and debate with. I think it has to do with most of the media being Left Leaning including the news, and fox etc are too radical for mainstream conservatives to watch.

[@abraham2172]

Yeah, wanting to fight racism and demanding equal rights for everyone is so annoying.

[@abraham2172]

@@Josh729J I have talked to a lot of "conservatives" too and they most times began to aggessively rant, throw around vicious lies and swearing at me the moment I dared to question their twisted views or spiritual leaders.

[@fantuswitt9063]

@@abraham2172 Same

[@endisnear306]

AOC and kamala Harris are crazy lefties.. Tulsi gabbard would have made a great Democrat

[@zoeybarter3246]

I love Britta. That’s it that’s the comment.

[@lavalamp2807]

I consider myself progressive but I do think there is a difference between true activism for change and the armchair activism via social media that many on the left conflate. The former needs you to work with those that have a belief system different from yours to find common ground and slowly work towards change. But that doesn’t give you the instant gratification of “calling someone out” for saying or doing something that isn’t politically correct and feeling morally superior about it. This feeling actually ends up harming the causes because it isn’t earned through action. Fighting battles on these fringes will not lead to any lasting change and yet I’m shocked by a lot of my liberal peers doing just that and not allowing for the nuance in the conversation that can actually lead to long term solutions for much bigger issues. The tropes here I think are a reflection of that mindset.

[@fantuswitt9063]

Same here! It is also annoying how many use important political changes and topics for personal fights, especially on social media

[@alim.9801]

Well said

[@cbpd89]

Exactly what I wanted to say, only you said it better. This trope is essentially a mirror of Twitter activism.

[@p.s.224]

Then there are people who just have a political opinion and want to voice it at times but aren’t activists, and that is okay. But I get the impression that with progressives, if they aren’t true activists, they are seen as hypocrites for not walking the walk and if they are true activists, they are seen as annoying. This just doesn’t seem to happen for conservatives. They are left alone. People will engage with their actual arguments and maybe hate them for their opinions, but not try to frame them as insincere or annoying.

[@WillScarlet16]

The "Liberal whiner" label has always infuriated me. Conservatives are always using that label to downplay any serious issue that's brought up, whether it's a pointless war costing millions of lives or imminent climate disaster, they dismiss it as "whining" as if it's an insignificant complaint. It's a technique I've seen bullies use time and time again - if their victims or anyone else tries calling them out over something shameful or serious they dismiss it as "whining" or "weakness" to make it sound like nothing. And what's worst, people always fall for it.

[@maylabrown4584]

Cry

[@fantuswitt9063]

@@maylabrown4584 lame

[@SoniaSephia]

That's because a lot of liberals unfortunately while well-meaning they only want to solve big social, racial gender, or economic issues on a very surface level. Like they want to put a help with the symptoms of disease but not tackle the disease itself. A good example would be reforming the police and justice court system. A well-meaning but short-sighted liberal will think that if we just have enough "racial minorities" as cops that will solve the issue. When in reality to really solve the issue is to dig deep on how police training is done, help cops get paid more, better funding, and fix ways how they handle eternal affairs within the cops.

[@kennyholmes5196]

Emphasizing de-escalation as a tactic is part of that, too.

[@leeswift7883]

To be fair society isn't good at wanting to tackle the root causes of issues, no matter the ideologies followed

[@bgos4727]

I disagree, we should start making cops accountable

[@tobiasbenedictdrager965]

The problem is: any liberal or to be fair any person that wants to solve a problem at the roots, is automatically marked as a radical for asking for too much. So I think many liberals decided to ask for the surface level solution first and then move further down to the root. Nonetheless, there are without a doubt also a lot of "pseudo" liberals who indeed only want change so far it doesn't affect them.

[@Josh729J]

A good example would be lying and mischaraterizing a bill by calling it homophobic without knowing anything about it. They point the finger at conservatives for lies and inflamatory language and then literally do it in their video about it. Unreal levels of bias and no self reflection.

[@TeaAndTonic92]

Do you think it also in a way makes us liberal viewers feel better about our own activism (or lack thereof)? We think "Phew, I hold those beliefs, so glad I'm not LIKE THAT about it!" Or "I didn't donate to any causes or make any true change but at least I'm not ONE OF THOSE!" We often have someone in our friend/friends-of-friends group that is very vocal about these causes - my sister has been that one in our family, pointing out our wastefulness while she was a composting wiz studying sustainable agriculture in Vermont - and we feel guilty about being called out or made to feel like we're not doing enough, so we feel validated by having these characters we can distance ourselves from and make fun of.

[@sparklyunicorn5431]

Damn this!!! Definitely

[@dareisayit]

I definitely can see this being a contributing factor. But it makes you wonder WHO is trying to make themselves feel better? I can’t help but notice in this video, and in media in general, the truly insufferable and liberal liberals in media are portrayed by women. While many of the nuanced and thoughtful liberals are men. A lot of the negative traits of women seem to go hand in hand with a lot of the negative stereotypes of liberals. Most writers/director/etc are men, men are the ones green lighting shows. So even if women write more nuanced liberal characters, they might not be appealing or funny enough. And I can’t help but shudder at remembering all the memes, comments, and jokes in 16’ that men made about drugging their women with sleep medication so they couldn’t vote, because obviously they’d vote Democrat and for the woman 😬

[@juanitajones6900]

I've always suspected Hollywood of being fake when it comes to liberal or progressive issues. Between the industry's decision to ignore the boycott against Georgia for its new voting laws and this video, my suspicions have been confirmed. Someone had pointed out how a lot of progressive characters in movies and TV end up being villainized. Frankly, I'm getting tired of this trope.

[@cobobonzobobby]

Why should hollywood boycott voter id? Is that an issue for you to show the state you are who you say you are in order to keep the rights of the vote of the marginalized?

[@juanitajones6900]

@@cobobonzobobby What are you talking about? Many Hollywood production companies and studios were determined to boycott Georgia for its new stringent voting laws - which is an attempt to marginalize the voting rights of minorities, by the way. At first, it was working and making the state of Georgia and many Republicans nervous. Then Disney, Marvel and Ryan Coogler had announced their intention to ignore the boycott in order to film "Wakanda Forever" in Georgia. So . . . screw Disney, screw Kevin Feige, screw Ryan Coogler and screw this movie.

[@lunakitten._.4871]

I don’t think it should be a Hollywood celebrity’s responsibility to boycott the laws of another state. The residents of the state itself should be holding their politicians accountable, not Hollywood. I also think it’s unfair for people to demand the entertainment industry not do business in GA for this because thousands of GA citizens depend on this industry to make a living, and A LOT of them are minorities, especially in Atlanta. Plus, GA just had record turnout for the midterm elections as it did in 2020, and that includes record minority voters having their voice heard at the ballot box. I get how the Democratic party wants to make it easier to vote so it’s low effort, but if these laws were really so discriminatory, then the 2020 and 2022 elections would not be proof of the opposite of what is claimed. (Oh, and of course Hollywood only claims to be liberal for clout since that’s what all the rest of them are doing lol a lot of these people vote republican in secret to protect their money from taxation lol)

[@leslievanhouten]

There’s an old show called All in the Family, and the character Archie Bunker was the prototype of the lovable conservative and his daughter and her boyfriend were hippie liberals.

[@missmeagan8117]

That show was so ahead of it’s time! So good!

[@PokhrajRoy.]

6:18 I just realised that in ‘Downton Abbey’ (a nice show but presents a rosy picture of feudalism), Dame Maggie Smith as the Dowager Countess is that hilarious but ultra conservative relative whereas Sarah Bunting is ousted from her job because she doesn’t just lap up Robert’s narrative.

[@Progressunlikely]

And all the "good" servants are happy in their role and don't question it.

[@lindsaymorrison7519]

Their one relatively progressive daughter died after marrying a very progressive guy... Who then basically never does anything political ever again

[@PokhrajRoy.]

@@lindsaymorrison7519 Technically, she died because the actress wanted to get out of her contract but yes, it’s not a good look.

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

Renegade Cut has a video on this

[@lunakitten._.4871]

Um, I thought Sarah left because she got a much better job as a teacher at a nicer school in a different town, and it was unrelated to Robert? I don’t recall him having anything to do with that. Plus, I also thought that she was being rude to her hosts (basically the family of the guy she was seeing) and kept pushing buttons because she disagreed with them on ideological level even though they were polite and kind enough to try and make her feel welcome as Tom’s friend. Oh, and it wasn’t feudalism, either. That did not exist in the UK in the 1910s-1920s

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Even in mainstream society, any and every connotation of socialism or left-leaning politics is always seen as stuck in Soviet Russia and incapable of moving forward when in fact, it’s the opposite. Also, it’s the only place that is not hostile to the Queersphere in principle.

[@lunakitten._.4871]

Is there any socialist government that has not collapsed, or had its government not take an authoritarian stance against its citizenry? Honestly asking because I always wondered why there weren’t more socialist countries that didn’t end up with the government suppressing its people, but maybe I haven’t done enough research? Also, I am currently an independent (not a centrist either lol) and the only “queer” hostility I see in conservative spaces is regarding children. People don’t really seem to care what adults do in their own private lives even if they don’t agree or think it’s a little weird lol but teachers helping kids get puberty blockers and hiding it from their parents? Oh, that gets them raging, and I can empathize with that boundary violation to parental rights. tbh, I think considering how poorly educated/uninformed our fellow Americans are in comparison to other countries (we indoctrinate in schools instead of teaching critical thinking) I agree that schools should be focusing on education rather than teachers teaching kids about gender fluidity and then going on tiktok to discuss it. But as a LGBT WoC, I don’t see that sentiment as hostile, but was called a terf for it 💀

[@belenlg5978]

The first few times I watched Community when it came out I thought Britta was a "meh" character. Now that I am rewatching I adore her despite how bad they want to make her the punchline. It's like with vegans, it's one of the minorities which is ok to make fun of still. There are quite a few annoying first time vegans that make a bad name, but a lot of people who are silent vegetarians and vegans for years that have to take a lot of daily jokes and derission for wanting to make a difference

[@Music34897]

Honestly for me the reason behind these depictions is because it tracks really well with American Liberals in day-to-day life. American education uses the word "liberal" to mean anybody left of the mainstream Republican party. The faces of liberalism in America, Hollywood celebrities and Democrat politicians, mostly behave *exactly* like these characters. Liberals in America constantly lecture about problems tied inextricably to capitalism but also furiously resist any attempts to actually address or change that economic reality. Liberalism, particularly but not exclusively in America, is NOT progressive it is just conservatism with a nicer aesthetic. I agree that we need better, more serious representations of progressives in Hollywood, but confining your definition of progressive to the mainstream American one, you can't make anything other than a sanctimonious hypocrite.

[@niloticnya]

i think that it’s important to write leftists, poc, and women without making it their entire personality. but some people are just bigots. in Game of Thrones, they casted the richest family in the world-House Valeryon- to be black. in terms of their appearance, the only thing brought up is their white hair like the Targeryons bc their families are Valyrian. BUT fans have an issue with black people in the show being in Team Black 🙄 even though their skin color is never mentioned and they’re normalized. africans were in medieval europe & that’s their excuse for it not being normal in a show with dragons, ice zombies, wargs who control animals’ bodies, faceless men, people who see the future etc. the fan base does have bigoted views, and it’s annoying bc they misconstrue George RR Martin’s intentions. i think it’s great to normalize the valeryons being black bc otherwise it would be hard to tell them apart from the targeryons.

[@tobiasbenedictdrager965]

I really think liberals can much more laugh about themselves than conservatives, even though many people usually say that liberals don't have humour. Therefore we are more forgiving when we are portrayed so exaggeratedly that we are the bad people, while conservatives have to be more comforted to not be turned off.

[@eillomanu]

American culture, starting from the 60s, has been all about mocking conservatives and their values

[@ihatesnakeuwhycuzsnakeuyougot]

This reminds me of the cast of its always sunny in Philly. They’re liberals and able to also poke fun at themselves. Liberals get a lot of hate for being too sensitive but they’re almost always the ones in media who are actually able to critique and point out there own flaws.

[@Kyle-kj8di]

Liberals are the one’s canceling comedians for their jokes. Liberals are the ones that cry when you make fun of race, gender, ethnicity or topics like rape ANYTHING can be funny.

[@tobiasbenedictdrager965]

@@Kyle-kj8di A comedian from my country (also left on the political spectrum) once made a very interesting point: "Yes, comedy CAN do anything, but what SHOULD it do?" Comedians (especially those with huge groups of followers) can make jokes about rape and roofies, but it's then also their responsibility that such jokes then get normalized and hurts those that are targeted by these jokes. And some comedians even admit, that they'll don't do certain jokes, depending on who's watching. 'Cause they have a feeling for their audience. So, of course you can make a joke about rape (however that is possible). But shouldn't you at least ask yourself "Why?"? Plus, it isn't like conservatives get whiny when people make jokes about old, White men...

[@jelatinosa]

@@tobiasbenedictdrager965 if you look at the majority of comedians, they tend to be left leaning. Many of their acts focus on making fun of themselves, their own lives and experiences, and can even be seen as self deprecating at times. If you take a look at the few conservative comedians, they like to punch down and make fun of people they deem "less than" and "other" instead.

[@mariapaz6379]

This reminded me of lisa simpson, as in the early seasons she was shown as rational, intelligent, sensible, and hardworking. In an episode, it was implied that she was actually the only "good" simpson, as she was the only one that was deserving of heaven. But as the show progressed, and it became more of a parody of everything and everywhere, her character devolved into an annoying liberal, incapable to see beyond her self-righteousness. I do personally think that everyone is capable of greed, cruelty, and pride. And that currently, in social media, we lie to ourselves and others to feel better than we are. But, i also can recognize that the media depiction of political views is a surface level joke, made to appease the corporations that fund said shows. Its always about mentioning the causes, but never engaging in them. Like the environment, yes sure, if the bad guy is trying to kill millions of humans to save the planet, he is obviously deranged and a bad guy. But the idea that climate change is real and caused, in part, by our activities, is not crazy talk. Its not crazy to say, that while the damage is already done, choosing to ignore climate change and expect eventual death, is not a good solution, nor is a joke.

[@joshraid1550]

I think a similar trope is the villain who wants to stop oppression of their own fictional marginalized group but is doing it wrong. this character is often an elf or something, but usually just so happens to also be a woman of color because of course they are. the right way to fight they oppression they stand against according to the heroes tends to be doing literally nothing and saying you’re helping, or something equally pathetic, because these writers can’t conceive of actually being an effective activist. the only options are respectability politics and terrorism.

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

CoughNamòrcough.

[@joshraid1550]

@@DrGregoryHouseIT Also the entirety of the white fang from RWBY. Like how is blowing up a whole city supposed to grant you human rights? Why does being oppressed mean you want that?

[@darshita1270]

i mean, in real life thats how they actually behave. im sorry

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

Because unless you are a really skilled writer making a character who is in any way a moral crusader but in particular a political moral crusader will end badly. You have to really know what you are doing to avoid it just turning into a hacky do better style monologue and when you give that hacky monologue to a character you begin to hate them even if you agree with the idea. Simple as that really.

[@tracyroweauthor]

As someone who worked in the industry (film and tv) and has relatives working in the industry, if you met the people who run the studios and production companies, you'd understand that either the bigwigs insist on being portrayed this way because they actually see themselves as heroic (like Alec Baldwin's character) or writers are commenting on the fake spirituality/wokeism/activism that exists all over the industry. It drove me crazy how the people around me would embrace things like New Age spirituality simply because it was trendy and not because it reflected anything about who they are. Believe me, what you're seeing actually represents a lot of people who actually exist in Hollywood.

[@a.champagne6238]

Forget fictional characters. Real life phony activists deserve our contempt. Natalie Portman scribbling the names of women directors on designer gown at the Oscars as an idea of "protest" was tone deaf and reeked of elitism. Also, did Live Aid do anything to end world hunger?

[@nehav3231]

Unpopular opinion: it all started with Phoebe 😂

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

Phoebe is a terribly writtern character. So often the cool free spirit character is turned into a self righteous and self important twat who doesn't seem to give a fuck.

[@Thepriestessdeath]

Phoebe is NOT annoying omg offended

[@MrBazBake]

Phoebe is unironically the best though? She grew up poor, so she's class conscious and more empathetic than everyone around her... which is where leftists come from in real life.

[@jelatinosa]

She's portrayed more endearing and with a silly childlike optimism than anything.

[@lunakitten._.4871]

@@jelatinosa um, she’s constantly portrayed as unhinged 😭 but Lisa Kudrow is charming and silly, so you can’t help but laugh when she’s doing things like yelling about stabbing a cop 😂

[@giadap9501]

like it’s a bad thing that the left is critized? people can make critics about the insincerity of many “liberals” without discounting the whole movement. that’s like getting mad at any overzealous conservative farmer. satirical commentary displays comftlrabilty in you own beliefs, and seeing the new wave of instagram activism these have become even more valuable. in fact most of the people writing these characters are poc or minorities or are pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and the willingness to use trauma as a talking point. this video missed the point and speaks over actual minorities

[@giadap9501]

like as a poc i have seen first hand that a many of liberals are fetishizing peoples struggles for a better sense of self worth and then abandoning them once they aren’t the model minority or in the news cycle. it’s a very very valid criticism and the people upset over it probably haven’t struggled enough in their lives to realize how malicious and insulting the insincerity from the left can be

[@YungM.D.]

Interesting video, but kinda funny you threw Valerie Solanas in the ring when she wasn’t liberal or even traditionally feminist so much as a truly extreme radical. I mean, she shot Andy Warhol. Now, AHS does make her a lot more villainous, but the point stands I think.

[@shadowofeyes69]

I have a liberal arts degree......The reason leftists get portrayed the way they do is because its true. Most YOUNG liberals are some version of that stereotype

[@drrd4127]

Because this is actually how they act in real life

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

Lindsay Ellis did a video about this (and the musical Rent) a while ago. Go watch that for the answer to this video’s question

[@pixelpulse0755]

Can you do a video about how in most stories the women are shown to be pushing for marriage while the men are reluctant to getting married. Even though research has shown that married woman often get the short end of the stick when it comes to marriage while married men get more benefits. Moreover, some research has shown single women being more happy and fulfilled than single man.

[@jordannewsom3606]

"Research"

[@user-lv6fn3jl4m]

I'm not even from the US but media depictions of these two characters, the histrionic liberal and the unfazed conservative, are only "mildly" cartoonish in comparison to their real life counterparts. It's always a fight between the unstoppable object that's always firing away and trying to contest the status quo vs the immovable force of someone who firmly believes they're right. Tell me who seems more annoying between the two? It's just easier to mock the one who's too earnest and loud in their fight for a change vs the one who is "calm" and "content" with the ways things were because they mostly benefited them.

[@Tyler_W]

Idk, seems pretty true to life in my experience. It's certainly true for a lot of people I've met and seen anyway, although like everything in entertainment, it is a little stereotypified. Lot of annoying, self-righteous, smug, and condescending people self-identify as so-called "liberals" and say socially acceptable rhetoric because they think it makes them look like good people. Now whether they actually are good people is a lot more hit and miss, but at the very least the ones who genuinely are have my respect.

[@MadiRoss91]

There are too many “annoying liberals” everywhere.

[@cariri12]

Because it's true. It's unbearable.

[@ericseamons9982]

An important note is that the term “woke” means different things to conservatives and liberals. To liberals, it means disrupting the status quo and being racially tolerant. To conservatives, it means being over the top and virtue signaling to show your superiority (often without making the world any better as a result)

[@sammyvictors2603]

Flower from CBS Ghosts is a progressive Hippie who, although spacey and silly, is sincere of her passions and progression. She even teaches the Viking Ghost Thorfinn on how to inspire people rather than just protest and preach gainst them.

[@mimah1015]

Why are Liberals written like this? Seriously??? I'm not from the Conservative camp but have you SEEN HOW THOSE CHARACTERS ARE WRITTEN???

[@happychaosofthenorth]

I think part of it is that ones strength can also be their weakness when taken too far. When people get overly passionate about something it can be either inspiring or obnoxious depending on how that passion can come across and how people react and who they are talking to. I mean, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you lean towards, there are going to be people who take things too far and it can get annoying when there's two people on the same side rooting for the same cause and one of them adds something like arrogance into the mix and act like they're the only ones taking it seriously and you're not doing enough because of XYZ and then they take things too far to the point of being insulting or worse. We all know people like that. And it makes for great comedy. Right-winged characters can also get the same kind of treatment, and I know people on the political right and left who go too far and manage to anger everyone on both sides.

[@RedAngelSophia]

It is easy to present the conservative as “cuddly” when the people who are harmed most by the policies whom they advance are kept off-screen - or at least when the harm that those policies cause is not shown. Hiding such real-world effects of policies _also_ makes it _harder_ to portray _progressives_ in a positive light.

[@UnboxingAlyss]

I have noticed this trait and it can get annoying Many of the people like this seem to be privileged, white, and have no earthly club about the cause they are supposedly fighting for. Clearly, not all people who identify as liberal are like this, but there are quite a few who seem to be in it for the attention or optics, as opposed to actually wanting to change things. I'm also not saying you can only be a member of a group to stand for change. You do have to be a POC to stand against racism. You don't have to be LGBTQ+ to stand up for those rights. I believe you DO have to do your research, be an active ally, listen to those who have lived it, and be supportive, while not taking away their spotlight.

[@MomoMensch]

i think everyone has to learn how to be a good ally and nobody is perfect from the beginning. (is there even only one way to be a good ally?) i think it comes off as if many people are bad allies, because they are the ones who may be too loud. but everyone can grow and after the mistake in the spotlight there might be a committed ally that doesn't get or want the attention. but i also think it is ok if people who already get a lot of attention use it in a meaningful way :)

[@UnboxingAlyss]

@@MomoMensch You are correct in that one needs to learn to be a good ally. If one makes a mistake, they can learn from it and get better. The issue is when people DON'T learn from their mistakes. Too many shrug off criticism of their methods and plow on, without any regard to how their behavior affects the cause as a whole (or the very people the cause is about). Getting attention can be a boone, but not all attention is good.

[@toddmitchell9014]

Art imitates life.

[@SuperNovaJinckUFO]

The complete lack of self awareness here XD

[@jenniferjean85]

Ron Swanson from Parks and Rec isn't a Conservative, he's Libertarian.

[@octabodemes]

Tbf there is some truth to the trope or stereotype. Either way, both sides are awfully annoying but as someone who's not big on politics I guess I will always be on this side because I rather have the annoying people with a stick up their behind fighting for the rights of people like me instead of the annoying people with flappy mouths that literally want me dead lol

[@fantuswitt9063]

Basically my take even though I more strongly identify with the left also because I think they are right on most issues but on the other hand also have many deficits

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

It's absolutely true. I know people who are like this IRL. Absolutely embarrassing.

[@chaaaargh]

this is more or less how i think about it lol, truth is there are extremists on both sides but...

[@jelatinosa]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet Just based on your handle, I'm pretty sure people think you are one of those annoying libs irl, pushing your activism in their faces.

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

Let's be honest, if you're a TRUE conservative female, who isn't a feminist, you wouldn't become the Prime Minister of ANYTHING. In fact, you wouldn't even involve yourself in politics because that's men's work. You wouldn't have social media accounts and wouldn't express opinions. You'd do everything your husband tells you to to do, like your religion told you to do. Over half of these women who benefit from feminism don't even realize it. You can't be a right conservative politician and be a woman against feminism.

[@Voyager759]

You come off as pretty hateful person.

[@magma4168]

Parks and Rec edition: April: "I love animals, I think they should be rewarded for not being people." Also April: a meat eater, always on board with Ron making fun of vegetarians.

[@carternull4420]

While I totally agree with the premise and message of this video, I do think it’s worth noting that American neo-liberals are right-wingers too. They’re often called “leftists” or “the radical left,” but, in a global context, American democrats are conservative and right wing. The annoying liberal character is not a good way to represent the average democratic voter, for example. But, it might be an appropriate way to describe democratic politicians. They are condescending, they’re annoying, and they usually fail to deliver for their voter base so they can continue to profit off of maintaining the status quo (while role-playing as progressive). They get elected on “liberal” ideas, but then (through their inaction) prove they want nothing more than to pose as a progressive party in a very right wing country. I think this “annoying liberal” trope might be getting at our angst surrounding this contradiction. These politicians are well represented as condescending or annoying because they do little more than condescendingly lecture the public on morality, all the while proving themselves useless hypocrites by failing to match their actions to their pretty words. I’m not saying every single liberal politician is this way, but it is undeniable that this is a major flaw within the Democratic Party. Don’t believe me? Where is your green new deal? Where is your federal legislation protecting abortion rights? Where is your prison reform? Where is your cannabis legalization? Where is your student loan forgiveness? I could go on and on listening such examples, but you get my point. Democratic politicians “virtue signal,” while democratic voters are stuck voting for them because the only other option is a fascist-adjacent Conservative Party. Frankly, we should lean in on this trope to shame our political leaders in the eyes of the public. And we should stop aiming this trope at average people, as this video argues quite persuasively.

[@sparklyunicorn5431]

If liberals are annoying what are conservatives? lol

[@fantuswitt9063]

Either funny assholes or just assholes at least on TV

[@amandanorris8]

The ones getting annoyed.

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

Usually just portrayed as being either monsters or idiots. Both sides don't come off well in most stories.

[@fantuswitt9063]

@@ApocalypticRenegade True

[@ihatesnakeuwhycuzsnakeuyougot]

Both sides have extremists and annoying people but at the end of the day I’d rather support the side who is at least trying to do the right thing.

[@mofospeedracer1131]

Online liberals especially w/cluster personalities are very annoying but so is anyone online who is overzealous in what they think and push. Offline they’re not as bad but ones with cluster personalities will always be a pain in the ass to be around and hear regardless of age & online or not..

[@pauf2452]

I really hate this trope because the arguments that liberals don't really care and only do it for show doesn't hold up. The same could be said for conservatives. And even if it was true, being morally right and advocating for it is better than passiveness. Making fun of idealism is very short-sighted. Yes, utopia will never be reached but trying will make the world better will at least improve something. I find especially Britta in Community to be neglected by writers. All the others got character development while she just stayed the same, never developed, never got to come to good terms with her activism.

[@oncer8898]

There are not a lot of TV shows that are trying to please conservatives.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Thank you for creating this video. We need a LOT more nuance in our politics, especially at the "pop culture" level. I wish anti-liberals would admit that Hollywood is not a true reflection of American liberalism, any more than Fox News is a reflection of conservatism. Much of the prejudice against liberalism in our culture really annoys me, and I'm not even that fervently liberal. What bugs me even more than the inconsistent attack on liberals as socialists on the one hand and rich elites on the other is the notion that they're all hypocrites. I always want to scream at conservatives whenever they try to make that point. I want to retort, "If they don't believe in what they say they believe, aren't they conservatives themselves? Shouldn't you like them, then?" It often seems to me that MAGA people are just looking for excuses to complain, just so they can feel morally superior. For a much more nuanced look at American politics in the movies, I recommend the screen adaptation of the play INHERIT THE WIND. It is one of my favorite movies, in part because it discusses both religion and science. Not only are there both positive and negative depictions of fundamentalist Christians in the movie, but positive and negative depictions of liberals. The "good liberal" is Henry Drummond (Spencer Tracy), a secularist defense attorney who is best friends with the deeply religious prosecutor (the aforementioned "good" fundamentalist Christian) he's defending his client against. The "bad liberal" is the journalist Hornbeck (Gene Kelly, playing against type), who smirks at and insults all the film's religious characters. After Hornbeck calls the prosecutor a "Barnum, bunkum, Bible-beating bastard," Drummond shoots back at him: "You smart-aleck! You have no more right to spit on his religion than you have any right to spit on my religion - or my lack of it!"

[@lunakitten._.4871]

Funnily enough, I recently started watching more centrist/right-wing content so that I could stop buying into the polarization pushed by the left (I felt I was becoming hateful and dismissing any conservative as a mega MAGA Nazi) and they point out instances that look a lot like moral superiority coming from the left lol polarization really has gotten to the point that both sides love to point fingers at the other side but lack self awareness to call out their own side, or rather stay quiet to avoid the angry mobs of Libs or Conservatives that will attack them for not following the hive mind lol

[@SeasideDetective2]

@@lunakitten._.4871 I really don't care about politics that much. What offends me more than anything else is, as you note, how similar both sides are, even as they see themselves as completely different. The worst part of it all is that I feel I can't trust anyone now. I've been telling people about my belief that "the right is the new left." By this I mean that so-called conservatives today seem to be behaving like so-called liberals were 50 years ago. Specifically, they don't try to be subtle anymore, and act arrogant and self-righteous even while saying the stupidest things imaginable. I could probably stomach all the "cultural Marxist" talk if it weren't coming from the mouths of people who consider the chanting of pseudo-profanities to be the height of comedy. And I want to be clear: I do NOT see the MAGA people as Nazi-like. That's too flattering a label for them. Whatever else can be said about them, the Nazis were at least visionaries. Trumpists, meanwhile, are some of the most small-minded people imaginable.

[@ellimaj]

Maybe this trope could be less about the progressive character actually being annoying and more about WHY the other characters find them annoying. It feels like a reflection of the fact that most people avoid situations where they're reminded of all this shitty and unethical things going on in the world, and their complacency in it. Their annoyance is just a defense mechanism. Both because they're apathetic but also because they're just trying to cope with the real stresses of daily life through escapism and diversion. I think it would be interested to see that unpacked more in media.

[@aprilshowers3246]

so true and it should be unpacked more

[@PokhrajRoy.]

I recently saw a show (not naming it) which had a female character whose entire purpose was being vocal about her opinions. Not to say that’s not a good character but the way it was very ‘Ooh she’s the political one with spicy takes’.

[@Bella-rb4wd]

Love this video! Marvel always does this and its so annoying and ruins the movie for me. They always have a left-leaning villain who is completely reasonable in wanting to address a real political issue and then suddenly and for no reason the left-leaning character always jumps to wanting to murder the entire world to solve their problem. And then the hero defeats them, maintains the status quo, and doesn't solve the original problem.

[@mysteriiis]

Cyclops was right. Magneto was right. Jason Todd was right.

[@tylerhackner9731]

I mean it is true lol. I’m a leftie who used to be a standard liberal and tbh I’m exactly like this

[@pinkordie85]

Having that final clip of Community kinda undermines a lot of the point. That wasn't blackface. He was portraying a fictional elf known as a Drow, that within DND are literally black. This wasn't a tone deaf portrayl of a black human but a cosplay of a fictional character within a fictional universe. That episode should not have been removed with the actual black face offensive episodes of a show like 30 rock

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

You can't really complain about this trope because it's soooo true. We've all met many liberals who are self righteous, preachy, and detached from reality. The actual trope that I've never met in my life is the insane vegan. I've seen videos online but never once actually met one.

[@Mikearice1]

Conservatives should always be portrayed in film the way they present themselves in social media. See who's really more annoying.

[@jordannewsom3606]

Leftists

[@Nightman221k]

Because the constant self-congratulatory, overexaggerated posturing IS hilarious and annoying even if it is for causes people can get behind. You can’t even lie and pretend you don’t know one liberal who you wish would get over themselves or whose keyboard activism doesn’t get kind of annoying.

[@sammyvictors2603]

Even so, I'd take that type of liberal over any of the Maga extremists. As of recent times, Conservatives are dangerously close to fascism. As the right wing has become plagued with Maga nitwits and their extreme determination to win at any length. As they are super power-hungry.

[@sammyvictors2603]

Even veteran Republicans find Magas dangerous.

[@mrterrific2323]

Reminds me of this vegan woman on jubilee videos 😂😂.

[@Anthonycheesman33]

It’s kind of like that in real life lol.

[@user-lw3yp6gw5g]

What are you even doing on this channel, I believe you were looking for Joe Rogan podcast

[@abraham2172]

According to republicans, at least.

[@JBTriple8]

nah Conservatives are annoying at least Canada is what the USA should be the Liberal Justin Trudeau has been PM since 2013

[@heyysophie9928]

@@abraham2172 not really, anyone with internet access is one google away from being able to watch compilations on compilations of unhinged sjw

[@mrterrific2323]

@@user-lw3yp6gw5g so someone with a different view can't watch the take videos then😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[@wakeupmen999]

Because it's the truth

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Lmao not me relating to Oscar in ‘The Office’. That’s my academic career explained. Of course, this is not to say I had friends who were affirming and helped me.

[@skinmore]

I just don't think this is fair with community. Everyone is rotten in the show and it is part of it's greatness

[@zs4580]

Yep, they constantly get annoyed with Shirley for being a Conservative Christian housewife or Pearce for being a boomer. Or abed for being abed.

[@kwamekamguia7221]

Can you do a video on centrist characters? I think it would be an interesting look for our political times!

[@zope6362]

Notice how all the shows they mentioned portraying “good liberals” are commercial flops, and all the shows they vilified are beloved even by liberals.

[@maviebaby]

I thought you guys were gonna "Britta" this take, but I'm glad to see u didn't.

[@blackdragon6]

This is how a lot of pro-black characters are written too.

[@cinephilewannabetheoriginal]

To be fair, a good number of liberals I know (including myself), do have that tendency to be smug and condescending. I wanna say we get better with time and that stereotype manifests itself really in your 20s. But I mean, who isn’t a know-it-all when you’re either in or fresh out of college? So I don’t think it’s exactly a liberal stereotype per se. More of a 20 something issue. Because now that I’m much older, I can’t stand endless conversations about politics, what needs to be done, what’s wrong with this country blah blah blah. I can have that convo once a month. When you get older, you’re generally just more chill 😂

[@Voyager759]

If you are not a liberal at 25, you have no heart. If you are not a cconservative at 35 you have no brain 😉

[@noneofyourbusiness4910]

Poison Ivy, really? I guarantee you they were not trying to make a political statement of any kind with that movie.

[@RoninRen]

I don't know, I think it was because that image is cheaper for them, than using a comicbook or animated lickness of Poison Ivy,

[@janwouter5215]

For Britta you have a Pierce, for Oscar you an Angela. The premise of the video is wrong, writers (especially comedy) enhance and zoom in on annoying traits for story purposes.

[@r_panda1280]

Isn't Pierce another 'cuddly conservative'? He can espouse ridiculously bigoted opinions for comic value but is revealed (particularly in the 1st season) to possess a kind of deeper wisdom and his aggressive bigotry/selfishness is often portrayed as a symptom of his loneliness - inspiring sympathy rather than critique.

[@happypants9428]

I totally disagree. It’s been a few years since I’ve watched Community, but goddamn almost everything Britta said is now a popular idea, and validated but was played for mockery 10 years ago. One could argue that “it’s not what she’s saying, it’s how she’s saying it”, but I don’t buy that. It’s overwhelmingly negative to her perspective. 30 Rock is also trash at this. I know that’s a funny, beloved show, but Liz never fucking won, it was always Jack who had the correct way to handle a situation. I have a feeling that show will age horribly.

[@not_botheredd9893]

The problem is that very same industry doesn't do much when it comes to actual change, so making characters with a poltical and moral belief just to mock it ends up doing more harm than good. Many people already view politics (especially the left) as a joke, this isnt helping. You also need to look at WHO gets most of the mockery on screen, the feminist. It's such an easy joke for writers since they've been made fun of in the for media decades now. It's low hanging fruit and they're the ones who suffer most for it

[@gluck5869]

@@r_panda1280 If Pierce had been written as a one-note caricature of a conservative then he would've been a flat, uninteresting character with very little potential for development. I think most people can relate to having an elderly person in their lives with awful ideals (often a grandparent), while I can't speak for anyone else I wanted to understand what made them that way. The answer I often came back genuinely was old age, creeping bitterness and a sense of being forgotten before they got to accomplish everything they wanted to in life. It also didn't preclude them from having wisdom to share and knowledge to pass on. The show never attempts to defend his ideals, nor does it ask us to identify with them. Britta is far more regularly presented as morally sympathetic (also primarily in the first season), subsequent seasons just spun her in another direction and presented her obsession with doing 'the right thing' as symptomatic of her insecurity and a childhood loss of control. That's not an ideological stance, that's just real - I know people like Britta too. Some of the most celebrated works of the last few generations have invited us to humanize mobsters, gangbangers, drug kingpins, corrupt politicians, serial killers, pretty much everything. If conservatives is the line going forward we have an extremely boring future in TV and movies to look forward to.

[@r_panda1280]

@@gluck5869 Britta was also much more of a grounded, “normal” person in Season 1 with flashes of sanctimony rather than the semi-crazed caricature she eventually became (albeit at Gillian Jacob’s request). Reactions to Britta - both offscreen and on - have been annoyance and exasperation (“Oh Britta’s in this?” - every comment under every Britta video) yet Pierce has been remembered as the funny racist grandpa, even in spite of Chevy Chase’s troubling real-life antics. It therefore seems that having a “flat” character who mostly just exists as someone to laugh at - except for maybe three occasions where someone in the group decides to be nice to her - is fine so long as it’s pinned as a satire on liberal pretentiousness, meanwhile Pierce’s genuinely disturbing awfulness is comical grist for his character development (how many times has he borderline sexually harassed his female group mates?). Even the ending reflects this - Pierce dies and is given a precious, characteristically “funny-racist” send-off while Britta is stuck working in a bar while her friends go off to brighter futures.

[@zs4580]

Britta isn't insincere though, they pointed out how much she literally wants to help other people over the course of the series, she's just kind of down and bad at it. Like Jeff said in the episode where Shirley's baby arrives, Britta wants to help people so much she'll do it until she throws up.

[@mmps18]

I've always wondered about this trope! This and the feminist trope your channel previously covered

[@JasmineFelicia19]

Ron Swanson wasn't conservative. He was libertarian.