The Office - Signs of a Declining Sitcom

[@popsy0070]

That line of Andy: "I wish there was a way to know you're in the good ol'days, before you've actually left them". Hit me so hard.

[@aly5891]

popo007 that one was one we all need to hear long before adulthood.

[@drumptruck6268]

i kept seeing this quote circulating moody tumblr boards and thought it was a really deep poem lol but are YOU KIDDING ME?? IT'S FROM *ANDY*????

[@FLJuJitsu]

I kind of did. I had about a two year run where everything was smooth in my marriage, I had just enough money life wasn't a constant struggle, and I had a job working with some people that I actually liked. Knowing it's the good old days just makes it even harder when you know it's also coming to an end before hand.

[@pranavjain2222]

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!!

[@hannahmacey]

someone should write a song about that.

[@sophiedufresne7459]

Michael has a crush on Pam but gets rejected by her so dates her mom for awhile Improvise Adapt Overcome

[@W0LV1E45]

I don't think so. He just misinterpreted them being rejected as a love connection which made it more awkward when he tried to kiss her.

[@sophiedufresne7459]

wolvie45 yeah lmao I didn't think he got rejected by her either because I really don't remember that at all ... must've been just a small love connection, as you said, where Michael thought he and Pam had something but they didn't ... also wasn't he super drunk or something? I mean, I don't remember that scene, but from that clip he either looks really drunk or really tired 😂

[@alexanderbarton5866]

Adapt React Readapt Apt

[@subfreak1996]

My favorite comment in a while 😂😂😂😂😂

[@sophiedufresne7459]

You're Serious Yup eyy glad to be a source of entertainment 🙃

[@TheSaNdMaN5000]

"When I grow up i want to have 100 kids so I can have 100 friends and no one can say no to being my friend"

[@toomielola3495]

I laughed for 10 minutes straight when I first saw this part. It was the saddest thing I've ever heard

[@Manettvibrante]

there ya go, 100 likes :B

[@radiofrog]

Definitely one of the most "Michael" things ever said on the show. My god the guy was hilariously lonely

[@stick-itproductions.3307]

Puppet: Holy F***

[@voose03]

@@toomielola3495 I definitely didn't laugh, it was straight up sorrowful

[@matrixdrift6614]

I was always perfectly fine with Dwight’s “transformation”. Season 8&9 Dwight is still a weirdo, yes, but he’s more driven rather than all over the place, less gullible, more compassionate, better at reading social situations and interacting with other characters we like. These are things we the audience like to see because it shows character growth while still honoring his core traits.

[@hhasslinger9601]

Except he just became downright mean instead of nerdy and overly dedicated.

[@aryanram02]

he has more character in a single flake of his dandruff than the snow bank youve got there.

[@psychotacon9263]

To me, this is an awesome take. He hasn't "lost Dwight" but rather he's grown and, in my opinion, realistically oversteered so as to not be codependent. He's his own man and needs no direction. Even further than that, I never viewed stuff like his doomsday program to be "mean." I only saw it as a way to push his coworkers who (whom? Toby, clarify this grammar please) weren't doing their best. Is it Dwight-like to do this based on his lessons from Michael, but manifested in his own way? Could he have planned to cancel the program from the beginning? Was he testing to see how passionate his coworkers were to keep their jobs? So many questions that will likely never be completely answered, but it was quite interesting to see how much he shifted throughout the show. From servant, to leader. He ultimately attained his goal, but isn't really perceived -as a person- much differently by his peers. That's some great character consistency. But maybe I'm missing something, happy to be challenged!

[@mirie.2183]

It's not about that; those things were all great. He was just incredibly rude and mean. I love Dwight, but there was an arc that this video touches upon really well about his crude meanness to Michael and Jim. He evens out after Michael leaves.

[@jbatts834]

@@aryanram02average Indian weirdo comment. Social media got worst on average once u guys got access to internet.

[@siddharth6439]

I think they used Creed perfectly. Not too much for us to grow bored, but not too less for us to forget. I'm glad that the writers didn't give him a full episode to be 'Creed', but rather spread out his weirdness in very small parts across the episodes (in general he has only two-three funny lines per episode).

[@gamingsqueaker3895]

Wow someone speaking facts and ain’t nobody commenting

[@asafupps]

Yesss he was used perfectly

[@hairyycrack8517]

creed is pretty underrated i would say

[@elizahildenbrand2934]

he was just perfect so that everyone loves him but he has no major plot lines that would interfere with our love of him. he’s like just enough without being too much or too little

[@Robert08010]

He was sprinkled throughout the series just like his little mung seeds he was sprouting in his desk.

[@Maddie-eq4pz]

The biggest mistake was completely reversing Andy's character development in season 9. That really ruined it for me tbh

[@radiofrog]

They built him up for so long and then just tossed him in the trash. I have no idea why..

[@AllenFreemanMediaGuru]

I never liked Andy. Just seemed too forced. Everyone else I could picture actually working there.

[@mr.mcthicc1073]

One of my biggest grudges with any tv show ever. I liked Andy, like a lot, he was great. They just ruined him.

[@gkkato9249]

It hurts me he was done in a poor way

[@andrewkaufman9417]

It makes sense though, people dont always turn out great

[@TheRepentersChamber]

the scene with kevin shooting hoops was actually just the actor doing it between takes and the camera crew filmed it

[@mochalatte8878]

M J Grasscutter I think he was just stating a fact. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything🙃

[@mce_mitty]

@@mochalatte8878 why would he talk about him being good then🙃

[@sethrothz]

So, the mockumentary became a real documentary there?

[@robinsingh8723]

but they showed it to us then it counts

[@ElFokinVega]

MCE Mitty me p L

[@ghhn4505]

"How could Dwight settle for a woman who's so unpleasant?" While Dwight went through some weird characterization in the later seasons, I always felt Angela was a good fit for Dwight with them both being The Office hardasses.

[@josay3394]

Meh. The reasons were there for Dwight not to be with her. Writters were being weird

[@nkosinathindlovu3059]

True, I vouch for the "hardassery"

[@diogomarques9228]

I Think Angela was very unlikeable for most of the show but they show its more human side in the Last season when She wants to give a proper Bath to Dwight aunt and when She cries in the car because She loves Dwight and Oscar conforts her, also You don t choose you end up falling in love and it was pretty obvious that they were always in love with each other, but they break up, because Dwight killed her cat, without even talking with Angela first, but yeah Angela was overall, pretty mean to everyone especially Phyllis and Pam, but Dwight wasn t Nice most of the time, but yeah maybe Dwight deserves better, but he loves Angela and he wouldn t be happy with any other person, so both Angela and Dwight got a happy ending and character devepolement

[@alexjeffrey3981]

they were both conservative caricatures right? Dwight with his love of violence and authority and his backwards farm life (directly addressed with his fascistic speech at the sales convention), and Angela with her outwardly church-mom judgemental, holier-than-thou outlook mirrored with a secret degenerate side. It makes sense that they'd be drawn together into some kind of quirky trad couple.

[@Frank-pc2rs]

Angela was a cheater. Dwight should have never married a woman that does something like that. She cheats with you she'll cheat on you.

[@IcarusLP]

Don’t trash Creed Bratton. The last person to do that. Creed Bratton.

[@ericfleet9602]

And he was never heard from again...

[@georgepapadakis2954]

His name probably is the name of the guy he killed. Most likely he is truthful about the "the last person to trash "Creed Bratton" was Creed Bratton (dead guy)"

[@zTxmi]

@@georgepapadakis2954 Yes, that is the joke.

[@unitedstates1941]

Quantum Wantum but you make more money as a leader

[@malnutritionboy]

@@georgepapadakis2954 wow u just found out the joke. Good job idiot!

[@rafaelcolella2289]

One thing they did do well was build the Jim and Dwight friendship

[@julesakers3051]

Yes! From mutual loathing to genuine best buds in a completely credible way- similar to the Oscar/Kevin bromance. The Office showed male friendship in a way that would never be allowed now.

[@nicholaskea8693]

Rafael Colella and realistic problems between jim and pam

[@gabi_online]

They did a good job by making it go slow and take a long time

[@rosee7605]

jim and dwight and pam and dwight are the best friendships on the show tbh

[@addylee8281]

They are like brothers. They fight all the time but they will protect each other at all costs

[@rogergoza3180]

Creed is the one character I never minded being completely bizarre because no matter where you are you’re gonna have that complete fucknut

[@Stoney-Lawson]

Creed was the bomb

[@TiaraFerguson]

I'm pretty sure the actor who played Creed is just that crazy and has a cooler backstory then Creed

[@derekpalac2355]

rewatching the cafe disco episode yesterday and realized that Creed exits the bathroom eating a chicken leg 😂😂😂

[@gabbylutz2798]

Honestly I always balanced on the line between feeling bad for Creed and wishing he could retire.

[@phuckEuo]

The only time they crossed the line was when he came to work covered in blood but didn't know it was Halloween and wad like "that's good timing" that was fucking stupid.

[@AlphTime]

It’s true that Jim is the normal one for the audience to relate to, but Michael is still absolutely the main character for the first 7 seasons. The plot revolves around him.

[@gudduentertains]

True

[@eugenijusdolgovas9278]

The whole sitcom is built around Dwight. If You don't know it yet - You have to rewatch the entire series and gather all the hints that point towards that, because if You're not watching with "those eyes", You've missed the plot entirely.

[@user-vm6qz3oj6o]

@@eugenijusdolgovas9278explain please

[@xPOWERx-ne1jr]

@@eugenijusdolgovas9278 explain more please. I see arguments for Jim or Michael, but Dwight just seems like he ends up at about 3rd on the call sheet (and 3rd in order of main "characterness")

[@eugenijusdolgovas9278]

It's not Michael. Not Jim. Not Pam. Most certainly it's not Todd Packer. Jim and Pam may seem front and center, but towards the back half of the show they took back seat a bit. Dwight shows the biggest change in character out of the whole cast. He accomplishes the most professionally with his farm and buying the office building. He makes his own family. His wedding is the finale of the series. We know more about his family structure than any other character. I've seen Mose countless times, but I've only seen Jim's brothers like twice. He becomes kinder (as in nicer, not the Pennsylvania-Dutch interpretation which would mean "dirty child"), he accepts his coworkers as his friends and ultimately reconciles with his biggest enemy. He is no longer a senpai anymore. No longer an assistant TO THE regional manager. He is manager. He is Dwight. The hero you never knew you needed, but the hero you most certainly deserved, idiots!@@xPOWERx-ne1jr

[@batshineman174]

I always took Dwight's success with women being due to his confident in who he is.

[@weebtrash6119]

batshineman bingo

[@timothywilliams7931]

Also his height helps...

[@alexextant9277]

Oh yea cause height helps when u look like a dying fetus

[@anddudewaslike]

Alex Extant lmao

[@fembot521]

batshineman his success with women was WRITTEN BY WRITERS. IDIOTS.

[@jetman1895]

The Office is the metaphor for Jan Levinson's character, she was normal at first then slowly collapsed like a dying star towards the end.

[@madsin6516]

She was the most underrated actor on the show for me, she played her character really well and made you like her and hate her at various points across the series

[@markuswolf7884]

I always thought that she was Hillary Clinton, but pretty. Then second time I watched the series, I realized that Michael told us in the first episode.

[@7vanave]

Jan would be the metaphor. Bonus; collapsing like a giant star is a simile.

[@ratcutt]

I really liked Jan's character in the first 2 and a half seasons, because she was realistic. At first, she seemed like any no-nonsense corporate boss. Then, you saw how her divorce made her really unhappy, and she was able to find comfort in Michael, who despite being ya know, Michael, was actually very sweet, and even stayed up listening to her talk about her divorce for hours. Somehow, that sweet and realistic connection which they had in season 2 morphed into a toxic and abusive relationship as Jan became more depressed and used Michael only for sex. Though that isn't a completely unbelievable turn, I think that when you compare Jan from season 2 to season 4, it just doesn't seem believable that someone so seemingly put-together became such an abusive and toxic character. I think that if they hadn't decided to take this turn, Michael and Jan could have actually been in a Claire-Phil type relationship from Modern Family, which seems more realistic.

[@victorilog5353]

@@madsin6516 fr legit at first i liked jan hated her at moments and i grew to like her as a character not exactly a person but yk what i mean

[@mercury619]

In Japan, heart surgeon. Number one. Steady hand. One day, Yakuza boss need new heart. I do operation. But, mistake! Yakuza boss die! Yakuza very mad. I hide in fishing boat, come to America. No english, no food, no money. Darryl give me job. Now I have house, American car, and new woman. Darryl save life. My big secret: I kill yakuza boss on purpose. I good surgeon. The best

[@joaquimgrecco85]

Wtf nippa

[@ChristopherWeaver1]

oH

[@flusterative795]

I laughed so hard to this hahahah wow thank you

[@Subject229]

*THE BEST*

[@scottpalmtree5417]

Best character of the whole show

[@lawlowmusic5571]

I can't get past how wrong they did Andy and you described it perfectly. Why build him up only to tear him down? In the end he lost Erin and his job. Seems to be the only one without a happy ending.

[@alexjeffrey3981]

he ended up as an admissions officer for Cornell. That's his happy ending.

[@beegsquare4123]

… and Toby🥲

[@Phoen1xGen]

Agreed, except Creed who literally got arrested. But other than that yeah, Andy was really done dirty as his previous development got torn down in the last few episodes. Even Toby still got to be a writer in the end (mentioned his newest story in a cut scene) but Andy is really ruined.

[@psychotacon9263]

Hot take, I don't think Andy was ruined at all. He carried his foundational behavior throughout the series. Plain and simple, he was always an asshole with self-interest prioritized. He's a loose cannon. I interpreted his character and the choice to make him regional manager as a way of expressing that he's always been selfish despite quite a few redeeming situations and that his arc post-Michael only bolstered Michael. He's constantly portrayed as selfish, and expects everyone else to go along with him. He's like Michael, but without such empathy.

[@M.JWitteveen]

While I agree that Andy's character being ruined was probably the worst thing about the show, Andy did get a happy ending. He desperately tried to be famous and ended up failing horribly, but in the finale, all the Office fans recognized him and loved him. So he ended up getting what he wanted.

[@paulinomariana]

The fact that Dwight gets colder on Michael has to do with Angela's bad break-up. He trully loves her and never got over it, that made him less patient and more realistic about life. It actually makes sense.

[@xxxdumbwordstupidnumberxxx4844]

Yeah, and as he mentioned they couldn't just go back to what he was before. The issue was that it didn't quite work with comedy.

[@lamestudiosinc418]

Yeah, but it makes for terrible TV. And it backfires when later on we're somehow supposed to be rooting for the guy who's been a jerk to everyone for the entire show.

[@GeddyRC]

No doubt. Angela wrecked Dwight.

[@danduntz9112]

It’s also because Dwight found out that Michael didn’t submit his name for manager, like he said he would. Dwight was done with him at that point.

[@ultranero2678]

@@generalyoshi812 I liked Dwight's character development the fact that he went from idolizing michael because he wanted to advance his career and that he liked authority figures to someone who is an authority figure and actually controls the things in his life he never was a jerk to everyone and even then it was really only to Jim.

[@ayo3450]

“Can we do this forever, and the answer is... that’s what she said...”

[@dj_toilet5055]

Dammit I was gonna say that

[@yep4925]

Lmao oof

[@dunbstuff5953]

Thats what she said

[@catelizabeth9536]

Way to go. Loved it lol

[@f.s8495]

she then broke up with me and led me on for several months leaving me hopelessly in love and thinking of suicide

[@playboicartiluver]

I hate how the writers just completely ruined andy. I was really rooting for the relationship between him and Erin.

[@alicesherson4894]

Same but it got so annoying as it went on for so loonnnnggg it got so tiring and it was cringe

[@noram8103]

He's my favorite character and they ruined him

[@N17Okann]

how can they build up to Andy and Erin being together since basically Erin came into the office and in s9 some random guy comes and now Erin is with him...

[@Phantom-no5ri]

Same, I can’t believe she chose a dude named plop over Andy

[@ryanred1525]

420

[@gregwilliams3120]

I think you're right. They should've installed Dwight as manager after Michael left. The show was based on the office workers reaction to their manager. With Dwight in charge, they could have spun the show 180 degrees for new stories instead of trying to repeat Michael Scott with Andy. The character Robert California never really clicked either. A shame they couldn't hold on to Kathy Bates.

[@Joe-fy9uy]

I don't think the show could have worked with the extremeness of Dwight being manger for two episodes it worked when he was acting manager for a bit but he would end up being watered down so much so that he wouldn't make the office filled with all of Dwight weird stuff like paintings of himself and weird deals and old technology and security doors and his character would be ruined along with the fact that the office wouldn't have the mundane and uninteresting 9-5 job feel that made it special

[@Steve-tf1wv]

@@Joe-fy9uy That was painful to read. Use these in the future.. .,...,,,,...

[@Joe-fy9uy]

@@Steve-tf1wvhow about in future go fuck yourself and that was easy to read except one bit and that was because I I forgot to put an S at the end of Dwight's

[@OnePieceSS23]

Dwight is too crazy to be the manager

[@luichinplaystation610]

But he owned the building

[@mattlittlej]

Nail 1: Sabre Nail 2: Michael Leaving Final nail: Andy's character assassination

[@jacobisaacs600]

BioDiver *NAILED IT* Lol

[@juannaym8488]

Andy was never a fitting main character. He was a great side character, if he had the position and screentime of Angela, a lot of things would've worked better

[@schmittfamily5045]

I think you missed a nail: Whatever happened to Kevin's brain in the later seasons? Don't get me wrong, he was still funny, but he was dumbed down so drastically that I felt bad for finding him amusing and began to wonder when they would make a "so dumb he forgets how to breathe" joke.

[@vyasi]

I always felt that Andy's character didn't really change. He was always a dick and a bit crazy, as seen way back when we first met him. However, he also has a strong desire to be liked, and so he took the anger management classes and tried to make his personality more "acceptable". That is when he turned into a more dopey character for much of the other seasons. He wanted to be liked and to fit in. He has always been a person to change his personality to fit in (as shown when we met him, again). Once he was the top person in charge in the office, however, his true personality could come out once again, as he did not need to fit in as much anymore, as now people would like him for his position and being their boss. That is also why he begins to emulate Michael Scott, just like he did when he first met him and tried to rise to the top (so he would be liked).

[@billo8316]

Sabre was pointless and stupid

[@davethebarber62920]

It"s like they could never figure out what they wanted the Andy character to be.

[@yaniktheyoutuber]

Yeah and I hated him.

[@sathisharajah]

I loved Andy Bernardz a.k.a The Nard Dog!

[@yaniktheyoutuber]

@@sathisharajah I hated Andy and there was a point I started to like him in the show and I hated him again.

[@ingalens6416]

@@yaniktheyoutuber so true!

[@seraphimboys3699]

Nah they knew what they were doing at first.

[@JD-up4bf]

The way they finnaly got Jim and Dwight to be friends in season 9 was the best thing in the season

[@swagmajormonogram9004]

But then you didn’t get to see most of it cause he was at athlead most of the time which sucked

[@bluepearl_22]

@@swagmajormonogram9004 Agreed. To me that plotline felt kinda forced or at least rushed towards the end. I didn't mind them becoming sorta friends but having Jim as his best man was a bit too much for me personally.

[@patrickgracias5782]

@@bluepearl_22 tbh I would of preferred the show to end on a high when Michael left instead of dragging it out for two more seasons

[@tpstrat14]

so they ruined their chemistry as enemies. I'm not surprised. I stopped watching after about my 10th cringe in season 7. It became so painful

[@razkable]

dwight carried the show after michael left...like the florida stuff and then his season 9 growth is amazing...

[@jeff3482]

To me the decline of a sitcom generally happens when ancillary characters start becoming featured characters and the main characters start becoming ancillary. In the British office the minor characters stayed minor cos it was sposed to be a documentary but the American office gets too far away from documentary and into just straight up sitcom with every office character becoming a cartoon.

[@jeff3482]

@@bwhere45 never had the popularity? Yeh cos Ricky Gervais, Stephen merchant and Martin Freeman never did anything after the office did they you condescending moron, without the British office there'd be no American office and it was overseen by the two people who created the original but yeh sure after Britain held its hand and gave it the template then it proceeded to overdo the formula and flog to death the romance element which the British one didn't, well done on highlighting exactly why the American office is inferior, because it went for 200 fucking episodes and didn't quit while it was ahead.

[@TheMotiveDJ]

@@bwhere45 That's what happens when your art is too closely tethered to commerce, like it is in the US. You put your writers under immense pressure to come up with ideas long after the show's momentum had run its natural course. Thankfully UK sitcoms are allowed to be shaped more by auteurs than stakeholders, so you get a more cohesive story arc.

[@jjr1728]

@@TheMotiveDJ Quite well put. American comedy rarely gets it right, imo. Too contrived, too slapstick and ridiculous. There's a few exceptions like Curb Your Enthusiasm; but for the most part: The Office US was an in-your-face, obtrusive, loudmouth disaster. Like a woman shoving 200 pictures of their grandchildren down your throat for 3 hours whilst you try to be polite. LOOK AT THEM - LOOK AT THEM!!!

[@TheMotiveDJ]

@@jjr1728 agreed. And it's a shame really. The US Office had an opportunity to model itself on its UK prototype and elevate the viewing habits of American audiences. But it didn't. It went down that same path of broad slapstick comedy. There's a sophistication to the writing of Gervais's Office that I wish American audiences had an appreciation for and understanding of.

[@TheMotiveDJ]

@@jjr1728 oh and yes Curb is absolutely incredible.

[@danieldennehy3578]

Kevin was almost ruined more than Andy. He was realistically this slightly awkward guy who was actually pretty smart and sometimes genius if not just misunderstood, hence him being a poker expert and a musician. But then became this complete dunce who wanted to eat Angela's cat...

[@visassess8607]

You can't eat cats, Kevin

[@sam-uf9wd]

I prefer to believe the "Kevin is secretly a genius" kind of theories cause it explains how he slowly became more and more stupid as a way of hiding him laudering money from dunder mifflin. It makes his character way more interesting in my opinion.

[@joshwhite5407]

Literally ruined him immediately after Michaels last words to him (Kevin) "Don't be a caricature"

[@202cardline]

I always loved when his poker history was referenced. I always imagined him as a really good player but for obvious reasons it doesn't come into play in the office work day, until it does.

[@HerculeDevantrien]

Kevin got noticeably dumber after Dwight made Holly believe he was mentally challenged. It's almost as if the writers suddenly thought "hey, actually that's a great idea, let's make this character funnier by giving him an unspecified mental disorder!"

[@Laura_Luminous]

"Michael insults people but it's unintentional".... Toby: am I a joke to you?

[@gunjeetsingh90]

Yes toby you are a joke to me

[@blarneystone38]

But even Toby fits perfectly into what makes Michael the character he is... as the HR person he by necessity represents orderliness and professionalism in the office, the exact opposite of what Michael wants it to be (a fun casual place where everyone is everyone's friend). So when Michael says, "I hate so much about the things you choose to be," it's true - Toby is the anti-Michael simply by the nature of what his job is. But the fact that he's just an awkward mild-mannered guy doing his job as best he can, and shares none of the same animosity, is what makes their interactions truly great

[@Laura_Luminous]

@@blarneystone38 I mean... you're right... but what does that have to do with my comment?

[@Wordslinger48]

The exception that proves the rule.

[@Katiegx12]

yes

[@Katy-sf5cb]

One thing I really admire about the show is about how they helped Pam become a new person. At the end of the show she was smiling and talking all the time, which is a very large change from the beginning of the show

[@bluepearl_22]

At the beginning of the show I felt like Jim was too good for Pam. At the end I felt (and still kinda do think) that Pam is too good for Jim.

[@chanelchen4185]

yeah and kelly changed a lot through out the whole show she was shy and quiet and in the end she was sassy and extroverted

[@coralrose5754]

Yeah I really liked her character development the most 🥺

[@MrAgentTurner]

Chanel, Kelly doesn't count as character development lol. They just didn't know what to do with her the first season

[@elizahildenbrand2934]

@@MrAgentTurner yeah she kinda just went from them not having any clue what her character would be in the beginning to kelly just essentially reflecting mindy kaling as a person. in the office ladies podcast they talk abt this a lot it’s rly funny

[@Mark-sj3xb]

Ask yourself this question. If there had never been a Michael Scott or the first 7 seasons and the series began with Will Ferrell, would the show be anything worth watching? It only survived the two seasons because of the equity and loyalty it built up with the fans.

[@Robby_Rob]

In a recent interview Steve Carell revealed it was in fact not his decision to leave but a failure in negotiations on NBC’s part.

[@brooke1685]

I will have to look up that interview. I wonder if they couldn't afford to keep him.

[@supermoviegeeks7251]

More like they couldn’t afford to lose him

[@jubylleu]

@@brooke1685 actually (Oscar, the Actually Guy), the NBC didn't want Carrel in the show anymore. They knew that Carrel was interested in continuing in It, but the new NBC's boss by the time didn't want him. In fact, that was rumours that he (the boss) didn't like The Office so much 💔 That's recent news about It, It is in a book writen by one member of the show production

[@davejohnson-yi2rk]

@@jubylleu Carel has publically said several times that he wanted to return to doing movies, which is what he in fact did. Could they have kept him at a higher fee? Possibly.

[@noeliajaime7656]

He wanted to move on but didn't want anyone to hate him for it,that's why he said it and I get it. Ricky Gervais called him out on it on air at an awards show.

[@mini6582]

i love that you mentioned how complicated the show became in the end. suddenly all of the characters were energized, there were shabby plotlines, and everything felt too extreme and gimmicky. just the fact that all of the sudden jim had an extremely successful sports company, angela was married to a senator, oscar was having an affair with the senator, their boss was a weirdly romantic millionaire con man, andy went on a random boat trip for so long and went crazy, a lot of the stuff dwight did.. the cameraman causing all that drama and falling in love with pam, and worst of all andy auditioning for a televised singing competition and then becoming a viral meme?... it just didn't feel real like the early seasons did with basketball in the warehouse and half-assed fun runs. the humor was in the simplicity and once they started going out of their way to create unrealistic scenarios, it lost a lot of its comedic factor in my eyes.

[@elderberryva9282]

mini The cameraman subplot is still the most useless complication in the show

[@raminybhatti5740]

That describes every American sitcom which goes on to become a huge era / generation-defining hit. The grounded pathos of the early seasons, when the creators are hungry for success and the actors aren't on multi-million dollar deals or having their heads turned by film offers, gives way to later seasons which give off a lazy, too-pleased-with-itself feeling where the showrunners realise that the audience will continue tuning in regardless of whether the quality of the earlier seasons is matched or exceeded. This complacency is apparent in every facet of the later seasons, because the compelling conceit that transfixed audiences at the beginning and made the whole thing must-see TV, has simply played itself out. The show peaks and the organic story reaches its apex, and then the decline begins. Yet the show doesn't end because it's still pulling in audiences and making money, and so it continues on fumes, recycling earlier plots and characters, but it's a shadow of its former self, and anyone but the most unreasonably ardent fan can recognise it's just not as good as it use to be. Does this describe the US Office? I haven't seen an episode, but I do remember watching shows like Friends, Cheers, etc., when I was a kid, and the phenomena I described seems to follow a definite pattern.

[@wolfcat-topic8929]

Charlie Picone i personally think that the little cameraman sub-plot, thought kind of useless added a little touch of introspectiveness, like this character that had apparently been with the show since the start and that we never heard of but was there. The scene were he tells them to give her a minute after that awful jim phone call was kind of sweet, i do believe it should’ve ended right there.

[@elderberryva9282]

scrappboy I liked the idea but they just...... didn’t do anything with it after a few episodes

[@HotCrossJuns]

That's why I always say the main character of the office isn't Michael, or Jim, or Andy, or Dwight. It's the Office itself. As soon as each individual character began having sweeping season-long character arcs, the focus of The Office shifted away from the office, and it began to lose its charm.

[@brebytheway]

this reminded me of how disappointed I was with the whole Andy storyline because it really did seem like they rewrote his character just for jokes. In the early seasons, he had an actual character arc that was interesting, he was this super polite guy but was full of himself. There was even that part where he kept on getting angrier and angrier until he was sent to anger management classes and then he came back and tried to navigate the office with what he learned. I think his season as the boss would have been much more interesting if his character had been more grounded. Micheal just wanted to be liked, but I think Andy just wanted to be successful. Seeing him genuinely try to accomplish that as a Cornell grad turned paper company manager would have been super different from Micheal and pretty hilarious.

[@W0LV1E45]

Yeah. Its why I hated Season 9. They don't really know what to do with both Andy and Erin and ruined their relationship due to forcing both to be the new Michael Scott (worked in S8 but didn't in S9 due to them removing Andy's Personality and replaced all with Michael) and New Pam (didn't for Erin since she is dumb, immature like Andy or Michael) just to force us Plop (heavily debated by writers since its very risky and it was. Also proves that they don't really know what to do with Erin just like with Andy). S7-8 was Erin trying to win Andy back after dumping him, while in S9 was just her dumping him again due to Andy's mental health decline and instead of supporting and helping just gave up on him. Also a failed attempt to prove Erin being mature since it just showed her being more immature and selfish than before who lacks understanding (probably due to her in orphanage competing and misinterpret Andy's abandoning her even though he is protecting her and doesn't want her to see him at that condition. Well S9 is very compact due to pointless change and Plop having no purpose and too normal in The Office who should have left long time ago just like those employees from Stamford for the weirdness of The Office. Clark Jr. had more purpose and made more sense but they had to add Plop which also made Nellie pointless instead of her taking Kelly's job and Clark taking Ryan.

[@Mhats]

i felt the same way. they butchered his character and made him a selfish villian. i personally think they did it because as a boss he was outshining Michael. Andy as a boss was selfless, defending his co workers, being positive and caring. unlike Michael Scott who was extremely selfish but in a funny way, especially at work parties, and Michael Scott cannot be forgotten, so season 9 Andy was written.

[@elsie1327]

And Jim and Pam fighting I thought that was completely pointless

[@W0LV1E45]

Greg Daniels actually did rewrote him just for the sake of jokes and to force Plop down our throat, and lazy way for Dwight to become the manager. Even Rainn Wilson thinks the final season had a lot of mistakes.

[@cottonfloss7951]

brebytheway I totally agree

[@BrodyBrodester]

When Dwight was picking up girls easily, it was meant to show that dwight can do it because he's not obsessed with how others perceive him, and he's just unapologetically being himself. Unlike Michael.

[@777superlightwater]

Yup

[@Faerl2]

I need to do this type of analysis to myself to figure out what the hell is wrong with me

[@divanosoba9658]

LOL, had the same Thought, Would love to someone record over some long period of time, and tell me what is wrong with me, cuz i am fucking clueless

[@ZulousOG]

it doesnt work when you attack something with a bias. This guy spent 34 minutes of recorded time analysing a tv show and its realism. Forgeting its only here to entertain.

[@luciastrokes]

AHAHA 😂

[@UberLummox]

@@ZulousOG Right! The Office was still had great entertainment value even towards the end. To overanalyze it doesn't take the fun of it may for me at all.

[@Zachism]

Where did I go wrong? What were the signs of my decline?

[@bluepearl_22]

I will never forgive the runners/writers of this show for not showing us Michael's wedding or children. Ever.

[@CesarDaSalad]

It wasn't the writers fault, though. Steve Carrell just went to do movies in Hollywood and had zero time to come back, except those few scenes in the series finale. Can't be helped.

[@hairybjr]

@@CesarDaSalad that’s not the key reason, the network simply won’t let him back after not renewing his contract. Even in the finale he’s snuck into the set under NBC’s nose (note that his name did not appear in the end credits).

[@reversecool5653]

@@hairybjr I mean after already having him on the show it would be weird for Michael to say that he's moving to Colorado and come back.The reason he appeared in the final is because they wanted it to be a sweet moment the guy Dwight looked up to for years went to his wedding.

[@kadenhon7418]

@@hairybjr Snuck in... and was filmed? In a rehearsed scene?

[@marekkhella3131]

@@kadenhon7418 “he was snuck in under the nose of nbc”

[@YungtownHighlights]

The writers answered an important question with Dwight. “What happens when the person you admire, constantly let’s you down, and doesn’t reciprocate admiration or respect?” Dwight’s new demeanor is more than earned after going through all the heartache he did and then growing from it. I think his arch is justifiable, realistically explored, and still entertaining to watch.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

I felt sorry for Dwight often. He was always honest in his admiration for Michael. Dwight hated Jim because Michael liked Jim just for showing up....

[@skkkr5815]

Yeah, it really bothered me that this wasn’t talked about in the video at all. People change sometimes, and although not always fun to watch, it’s a necessary part of character development.

[@mskcrc]

Do you think Michael respects Holly? Like the time he gets horny and declares that she's the "best thing that's ever happened to this office" at the end of her first day at work? Like the time he cries and whines when she breaks up with him? When he insults her new boyfriend? Asks Pam to read the unsent letter she wrote him? Cuts her sweater so he can creepily have a piece of it? Throws her Woody doll in the trash? Doesn't take "no" for an answer when he badgers her into breaking up with the other guy? They answered the question, "What happens when your boyfriend doesn't reciprocate respect?" with this: you get married and ride off into the sunset together.

[@han-hi5rg]

I think so too! It’s interesting and decently realistic to see someone as extreme as Dwight become more nuanced over the seasons. As his loyalties shift from Michael, he becomes more experienced and acts accordingly. The whole point is to develop Dwight’s character, and I think it was done realistically and gave him more depth as a character.

[@lukericker8325]

Yungtown Highlights Ya but how did he suddenly gain people skills. He was borderline autistic. He had been his entire life. Then he actually knows how people think? (as opposed to just egotistically claiming to know how people think when in reality not at all). The rest is pretty justifiable. But they could have handled that same growth while maintaining other aspects of Dwight.

[@osr4152]

The last point is key. In the later seasons the whole premise of the show was completely lost. Its meant to be a somewhat relatable workplace comedy about meaning and humour in the mundane and social awkwardness but it turns into a whacky Family Guy type universe where everyone is completely mental and life is just a succession of crazy shenanigans

[@karabrace2330]

I actually really like Dwight's character arc. It's much more realistic to have him grow, mature, and become his own person instead of following Michael around for the entire show. If he did that, people would complain that they didn't do anything with his character.

[@anunfiItered]

exactly !!

[@rsb__]

Yeah I agree, after Michael left they should’ve let Dwight be manager for the last couple of seasons

[@MrTCHOSS]

I tend to agree. His was about the only character arc that I liked. He and Michael. They turned Pam into a bad wife and b*tch for a while at the end They turned Andy into a total psychotic mess Kevin went from unassuming to not even human

[@PatoNani18]

@@MrTCHOSS Kevin and Andy's changing were disgusting. Pam's nasty side was just more shown at the end but she had always that slightly fake personality in a subtile way but it was more covered with her kindness and shyness. And yes I'm so glad that Dwight changed.

[@MrTCHOSS]

@@PatoNani18 True, Pam sorta did have that conniving, manipulative character train the entire time... she just didn't feel empowered to let it all out until she started wearing pant suits

[@GYMLEADER20]

the whole Erin love story thing was sooooo bad. The back and fourth between her and Andy was such a mess.

[@ratcutt]

Agreed. It was cute at first, but it just kept going on and on, despite the fact that there was little holding them together. They didn't really have any common interests or reasons to be together, making their back and forth even more boring and unbelievable.

[@MedalionDS9]

It was bad because of how they fucked it up in season 9. When Andy went to Florida to win her back, I felt it was very romantic and they were so cute when she would constantly stick up for him. It's a big sticking point for me why I dislike the last season so strongly.

[@rohantumkur7915]

it was a mess, but the worst part was pete and Erin getting together at the end. The writers dragged the viewers across this stupid love story for way too long and at the end the whole thing was pointless.

[@MedalionDS9]

@@rohantumkur7915 Season 9 was a very mean spirited last season for most of the characters... so that finale with the "happy ending" felt very artificial.

[@jimi4454]

@@rohantumkur7915 much like many love stories. i think it may have been trying to touch on how outward compatibility doesn't make up for your deeper hangups that will prevent a relationship from working. Andy was always a trust fund kid who had his whole life paid for by mommy and daddy and he never broke from that. Once he became manager (after failing miserably as a salesman) and gained the tiniest bit of confidence in himself, he reverted to his old tendencies of being entitled and expecting no consequences for his inconsideration, often letting his personal feelings impact his work to the massive detriment of the company and his subordinates (losing the white pages, for example) To me, it makes sense because he actually was only putting on a front the whole time to gain people's trust (including Erin) because he had no real power...

[@mogalat]

The fact that steve carell wanted to renew his contract and they REFUSED, is still bugging me. and they tried so hard to replace Michael's naturally bubbly and quirky and somewhat likeable personality with Andy, it felt really repetitive and unrealistic. However, i still think that the office can't be compared to any other sitcom, it has this charm and it's so effortlessly hilarious. it is HANDS DOWN one of the best sitcoms ever.

[@stephaniesmith6315]

I agree because something about The Office just made you want to binge watch it. And I believe Steve Carell was asked if he wanted to do a reboot but he said something in the lines that he didn’t think that a reboot would re capture the same essence (in a sense) like the office and the office good at that time.

[@TheIndianVCC]

I didn't laugh once while watching 5 seasons.🙃

[@debicadude]

@@TheIndianVCC damn thats so sad

[@akilamau683]

@@TheIndianVCC your life must be so sad with no sense of humour

[@TheIndianVCC]

@@akilamau683 Or maybe you are just a crazy fuck who laughs at everything... The Office is very overrated,, B99's the best.

[@UrbanMonkey55]

Good analysis. The reason the first four seasons were the best was because you could still relate to some of the situations the characters were in. By Season 9, once they were tranquilizing Stanley, you knew the show had jumped the shark long ago.

[@jaeeponde3508]

I think what really killed the show for me was Andys character being butchered, it was almost unbearable to watch

[@W0LV1E45]

Same. Until there is a reunion, special or anything that explains what happens after the finale. I have a very good fanfiction (too good, it doesn't seem like fanfiction at all). Its called Insouciance by Kizuna_Tallis that explains Andy and Erin being back together after s9. They tried it again and this time without trust issues both have. Andy with self esteem issues caused by his parents and everyone close to him eventually gave up on him the real reason why he ditched Erin and barely kept contact with her while Erin has abandonment and always thought of herself unlovable which perfectly caused her rebound with Plop.

[@W0LV1E45]

@Krisha Patel Same. I really strongly wish that NBC, the cast and Greg Daniels and the writers see it and uses it when they decided to have a reunion/revival/special.

[@W0LV1E45]

@Krisha Patel What do you think of Todd Packer part of the story? Todd Packer is on point.

[@echodelta2172]

absolutely, watching him get built up into a genuine heartwarming guy and then have him torn down immediately was such lazy writing.

[@W0LV1E45]

@@echodelta2172 agreed. And the way they did it just for the sake of cheap laughs is just disrespectful.

[@TsundeRea]

Michael not a good film maker?? You are crazy. Threat Level Midnight was cinematic gold!

[@mooreanonumbers]

Threat Level Midnight would have been a cult KZbin vid IRL

[@rains00the]

...cinematic goldENFACE!!

[@robertsmalls2293]

Do the Scarn!

[@jamesporter571]

it's sad the sequel got cancelled

[@SamitGambhir]

Even better was The Ad he made for Dunder Mifflin. It could have been a real Ad. btw, Toby's idea was great. (I know Michael's reading this 🤣)

[@TheHypozonian]

The best part about Michael leaving, was Creed being manager

[@vallisdaemonumofficial]

*Creed was a better boss than Andy*

[@Sc0ttmarvel22]

BOBODDY

[@cami_cosmos]

BIZNUS!

[@wikid1992]

Keep it runnin

[@gabi_online]

“Just another day at a dog food company”

[@Big_Tuna276]

The Office isn’t office-ing without Michael Scott. No one can change my mind.

[@natashakobelsky6899]

Dwight and michael’s falling out made me way sadder than any of my own failed relationships because it was just too real, you can see how much Michael misses him

[@journey95far49]

Yeah I thought that made Dwight unlikable. Definitely my least favourite part of the Michael seasons

[@asuspiciousturtlewithinternet]

@meowyeah like when dwight cried when he wasn't invited to michael and Jan's dinner party i liked how they gave him a character right there but when michael loses the sabre leads and dwight doesn't go with michael and talks back to michael which makes me hate him more than i ever did

[@ohlord3650]

@meow "No personality" lol

[@ultranero2678]

@@asuspiciousturtlewithinternet he realised that he was friends with Michael for years but michael never really liked him nor helped him in any way so he stopped being nice to michael like dwight said sometimes the acorn becomes the oak and that's what happened dwight grew up.

[@quyngo1999]

The worst part about falling in love with a tv show is to hate its ending. Happened so many times

[@Canyyon]

Little Puppy how I met your mother

[@Fivetin]

But The Clone Wars ending is awesome.

[@Hussain_Zaki]

Wait until you watch Game of Thrones, it'll break you to pieces and you will never recover I havent

[@gazzalenbrick6381]

Not Breaking Bad

[@danielamoran879]

Game of thrones 😭

[@crazylemonhead]

I hated what they did to Andy but I loved Dwight’s character through every season. He had the biggest character development

[@harroldinab]

I know this might be unpopular, but I didn't like Dwight in the first 3 seasons and I didn't like him much in S9 either. Dweeb Dwight just wasn't funny enough, and while I like how Dwight matured in S9, he was so sensitive, he just seemed borderline disabled.

[@hhasslinger9601]

I disagree about Dwight. He used to be overly dedicated to the smallest things, which made him annoying to some, but never mean. In the later seasons he was just downright mean to people. I don't see the humor in it.

[@tomvanoers2387]

@@harroldinab very unpopular indeed !!! Dwight is goated

[@randomality77]

I think Pam had the biggest character development, but Dwight was good too.

[@diogomarques9228]

​@@randomality77 yeah it was definitely Dwight, Andy, Michael and Pam but i think overall it was Dwight and Andy(before they make him a jerk again in season 9) that had the best devepolements of the show

[@tylerthompson1842]

The Michael Scott seasons of the Office will forever be the greatest sitcom of all time imo

[@jdmaster13]

I agree 💯!

[@technobladeleakedclips1827]

What mental retadation does to a mf

[@lizziepadalecki8116]

I love how it's just canon that Michael has a crush on Ryan

[@Radidactyl]

"Hot like Jan, but in a different way."

[@kennylaysh2776]

lol. It's not a romantic crush, he just really, really, really wanted a 'best friend'. Ryan was the coolest person he knew (in Michael's mind).

[@timenotime]

@@kennylaysh2776 says who? a crush is a crush

[@kennylaysh2776]

@@timenotime Not how it works. Straight men with a "guy crush" is when they want to be that person, and have that person see them as a peer. I don't know how women work with women crushes, but the way Michael wanted Ryan to like him is a common platonic thing with men.

[@cool-zd3ev]

Kenny Laysh ah, the antichrist

[@luisvelez8096]

If Dwight left the show, I wouldn't have continued watching tbh. He literally carried the show after Michael left.

[@LITMOVIESCENES]

you must not know about Gabe Lewis

[@garrettfobes1091]

@@LITMOVIESCENES feel it, it’s like a warm pumpkin.

[@LITMOVIESCENES]

@@garrettfobes1091 lol...dude is great...Has a ton of lines

[@wiggle7766]

i stayed for jim and dwight’s development. and probably waited to see if erin and andy would go anywhere

[@blamecanada8525]

@@LITMOVIESCENES Gabe may be the worst character in anything ever

[@mikasaplankton3509]

When Michael was there I always thought Jim was my favorite character, but after he left I realized that Michael was my favorite character. He was the heart of the show, and he did so well no matter what the script said. I literally watched after he left because of loyalty towards the show, and even though it had its moments;it couldn’t replace Michael.

[@raywhitethorngalathynius]

exactly the same for me!

[@MatmoeLP]

Stopped liking Jim that much around season 6 and 7.. felt a bite like he was becoming smug and he wasn't quite as sly anymore with his pranks, most of them failed. On the other hand I really started liking Dwight around that time when he stopped licking Michael's butt and become more of a savage from that awkward guy with a stick up his ass

[@maksymushka]

Well said!

[@visassess8607]

@@MatmoeLP Yeah Jim is smudge and arrogant

[@Whokn6627]

Yeah Michael was never my favourite character until he left the show

[@itjester]

it still angers me so much what they did to andy. he had such a great and natural feeling build up and to see it all crumble and in such a shitty way is upsetting

[@dudskii]

I actively tried to keep track if they mentioned Michael when he left, and it was so annoying how the whole cast acted as if Michael was never a big part of them.

[@bluepearl_22]

I will never forgive the writers for not showing us Michael's wedding or children. Ever.

[@danitd7844]

@@bluepearl_22 I KNOW!! I just said in a previous comment that the show should have ended with a double wedding with Dwight and Angela and Michael and Holly. Maybe have one last episode after that to show life after the documentary, with Michael and Holly's kids and stuff.

[@tim200062]

Yes. Why the plot is everyone don’t know about it and he just disappear forever?!!??!!!??!!??!!?!!!? Why don’t give him a party or big speech? I am so angry about it.

[@athenajaxon2397]

Agree I would've had Michael email them ( probably Pam) from time to time he loved those guys too much to never speak to them again

[@elizahildenbrand2934]

@@athenajaxon2397 ik steve carell like left the show but it would’ve been so happy and funny if he like sent them videos of him like showing his house and holly and his kids. that’s like on character for him to always be thinking of the office and sending them updates on his amazing new life. i rly would’ve liked that and i’m sad they never showed his new life

[@thehe2748]

The Oscar/Angela friendship was out of nowhere, but it was one of my favourite things in the show

[@tsou22]

i know i never expected it especially how angela reacted at first when oscar was revealed to be gay. i guess it also shows her development though

[@michaelmesicek2235]

@@tsou22 they became good friends in real life while working on the show so the writers wrote it in

[@Alcarie]

It wasn't out of nowhere. You could see they both worked together to keep the senator's life secret. People bond under certain conditions, why wouldn't those two?

[@fightfear3979]

I didn’t like how they had the senate cheating on Angela with Oscar. That was stupid writing.

[@neilsokayatthis3970]

Didnt she try to murder him?

[@natalied3523]

“I’m a night owl and an early bird, which means I’m wise- and I have worms.” -Michael Scott

[@jenm1]

I wonder which is which

[@ВасилийСабов-ч6в]

''What's your worm guy?''

[@AltNova]

@@ВасилийСабов-ч6в "Your paying too much for your worms"

[@placeholderdoe]

A perfect example of a good character like Dwight is Charles Boyle from Brooklyn 99, he starts out as a suck up, awkward, and in-confident guy. In the end he’s still a suck up who is socially awkward but he is more confident, he grew as a person, he didn’t change who he was fundamentally he just accepted it and grew. When he’s more confident it’s an arc and not lazy writing

[@ishathakor]

yeah! and he stays extremely weird till the end that's really important too

[@kylesimpson6729]

"I wish there was a way to know your in the good old days before you've actually left them"

[@kat-zt7ru]

Too true though fr

[@travistotle]

"Someone should write a song about that."

[@Zancb]

Wow, thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy life to type out one of the first spoken phrases of this video. Your service marks one of the best elements of the internet and being a human. May God go with you, into the 13 heavens, and provide you with everlasting glory and joy. You fucking idiot.

[@kylesimpson6729]

@@Zancb Either you're on your period or you just found out you're adopted. Hmmm its probably both tbh for that reason ill let it slide u just remember to buy tampons and accept the fact your parents never loved you. Just ask yourself can you blame them? Look i know its a hard thing to accept but the quicker you accept it the quicker you can start being a nicer better human being and make it to the "13 heavens" u unwanted worthless piece off trash. Have a good day miss😁

[@monkiram]

@@Zancb It's really not that serious man

[@phelisejoy7118]

I hate that they ruined Andy’s character just to try and remake “The Jim and Pam” with Pete and Erin. It was clear that they wanted to revive interest in the show and went with one of the things that made the first season or so successful: Jim and Pam’s dynamic. The forbidden unspoken love between the joking salesman and the taken receptionist with a douche for a boyfriend. They introduced Plop, a character so forgetful I could barely remember his actual name until the video, and put him at Jim’s old desk (forgive me if I’m wrong about that bit, it’s been a while), and Erin was the taken receptionist. Only problem: Andy wasn’t a douche. They had spent the past few seasons giving him a little something called character development, making him actually likable, and he had that cute little thing with Erin- his character was on track for success, so Ed Helms having to temporarily leave the show worked out perfectly for their plan. While he was on his stupid boat ignoring Erin we'd forget his attributes, and since it's been a while and I don't really remember the storyline, I remember him coming back changed after either the boat or the second time he did anger management (or both). Either way, they make him a hated jerk like how he was all those seasons ago when he was first introduced, but a bit worse. I know they were desperate to save their show and all that, but it kinda did the opposite for me and I lost a bit of respect for the show. It was cheap and lazy, and one of the reasons why I don’t really like the later seasons.

[@har-vwf7729]

The way they did Andy broke my heart, he’s my second favorite character, I wanted to see him but I couldn’t look at him because he was such a jerk in season 9

[@W0LV1E45]

I hate it too. Plop aka Toby Jr. has nothing in common with Erin. Andy and Erin on the other hand are two sides of the same coin just like Dwight/Angela or Michael/Holly. What I hate is how hard they try to make Plop Jim Jr. even though his very dull like TOBY except Toby is entertaining while Plop is just dull both in the show and in real life.

[@dootdootclaire]

Har-v Wf is who is your favorite character

[@har-vwf7729]

LITTLE MAYUUN Dwight

[@MayorBrownn]

I loved Erin and Andy. And they were no way alike with Jim and Pam lmao

[@danielbras5123]

I really agree with the Kevin analysts I hate how they made him an idiot it ruined the funny part of his character the first seasons because he was constantly underestimated

[@realityjester3325]

I think you're both wrong, Kevin was pretending to be dumb so no one would suspect that he was stealing money from the company.

[@racool911]

Reality Jester Exactly what I was about to say

[@DarkMetaOFFICIAL]

oh no no nooo! lol Kevin's actually a secret genius 😂 there's a video showing why.. him and Michael are probably embezzling funds and so they just play stupid on a lot of things.. there's no possible way this theory isnt true when u see why lol

[@DarkMetaOFFICIAL]

@@realityjester3325 lmao exactly

[@buggastar]

*So you wouldn't want Jim Pranks?*

[@raymondprendergast1084]

Around the 20:00 minute mark you mention how Kevin HAS to be dump, Meredith HAS to be trashy, and Creed HAS to be weird. This is a common phenomena called "Flanderization". Good observations and great video!

[@Z..z..zz.]

It didn’t feel like the office when michael left, it felt like a spinoff.

[@aboutkimmy]

Same !

[@marcinsobczak2485]

I was expecting the worst after he had left but actually didn't miss him that much. I guess for me Michael was not main character. And then Andy an Erin, whom I always considered annoying and unnecessary background characters became likable to me and instead of missing Michael I started enjoying other people. At the end all characters evolved into what viewers and other office workers expected them to be, dumb Kevin, obnoxious Meredith and so on.

[@ratcutt]

@@marcinsobczak2485 I agree and disagree. I do think that the office didn't really feel the same after Michael left, as it just didn't have that same simplistic yet slightly chaotic vibe that Michael brought to the show. However, I agree that Michael's leaving made me realise how funny and interesting the side characters were. I think that the episode "Pool Party" really made me realise that.

[@Charlie-oq4mk]

That were EXACTLY my feelings... A miniseries of spinoffs with small arcs of "What if..." The series real finale was Michael in the airport and asking to cameramen "hey guys will you let me known if this ever airs?"

[@MedalionDS9]

In theory, giving the other characters more time to shine is not inherently a bad thing, but the writing just wasn't there to execute it as well.

[@ethanhudson2009]

While the office is a comedy, not everything in it has to be funny. It’s ok for Dwight to grow away from Michael and for his people skills to grow. He’s a main character so it’s ok for him to grow into a more successful person, even if you think it’s not that funny. It would feel unfulfilling if he was unable to be a little bit more mature.

[@lvlupking9902]

Ethan Hudson I really enjoyed his character growth. He matured and becoming independent

[@zaidaprijatna]

I agree

[@nat9586]

Ethan Hudson thank you

[@zari2662]

Totally agree

[@TsundeRea]

His growth and evolution was why he was finally ready to be manager in the end. His character arc was my favorite.

[@kyletitterton]

Why did you skip over Robert California? Were you intimidated by him? ...You can answer.

[@_Somsnosa_]

He's forgettable.

[@danlc95]

RC was cool.

[@adityyuh]

It's because he's the fucking lizard king

[@kalash_nikov]

@@adityyuh came here to make this comment

[@smallpp23]

They should have just stopped it when Michael left

[@kirswords8587]

The way Jim guides Michael through conversations will always be hilarious.

[@dwightschrute3721]

“Jim is on a path now, an eternal journey, and I wish him well.”

[@emilyloveswhydontwe3520]

Dwight Schrute hi Dwight

[@d.k.schrute5912]

Identity theft is not a joke Jim

[@nikolassmithers4870]

D.K. Schrute but wait if your Dwight then... who .... oh no no no no

[@Victoria-jl3cj]

Vampire

[@regan302]

" One crisis at a time"

[@tyrous1743]

Things that killed The Office: -Andy's botched character development -Nelly -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving -Michael leaving

[@velazcoemily3253]

Actually it was when we had Robert California and Nelly in the office. They were dragging those characters on and it was annoying.

[@mankytoes]

Featuring a cameo from Warren Buffet!!! (Someone thought that would be funny, obviously). Most new characters weren't great, the best ones were Pete and Clark because they rebalanced things with some much needed somewhat normal personalities.

[@tyrous1743]

@@velazcoemily3253 I actually really liked Robert California, I think he really fit the show well.

[@velazcoemily3253]

Tyrous i think it would have been funnier if they hired jim carrey lol ngl

[@keknov5555]

Michael leaving is when I left. If he leaves I leave

[@RickyPro888]

“I’m not superstitious, but I’m a little stitious” - Michael Scott

[@Jamie-js3qw]

which is funny? Come now...

[@melaniemaitre8983]

I have a sweater that says that lol

[@sagnik3556]

love your pfp lol

[@melaniemaitre8983]

@Pritesh Divekar if you have a local winners it might be in stock. I'm sure you could find it online though.

[@youtubetimestamps6165]

I’m Sal. I can do this job.

[@monsterhousecop2082]

The reason Dwight became such a player was because toby showed him where the clitoris is

[@dwightschrute3827]

Who has two thumbs and is still managing Dunder Mifflin? This guy.

[@mariannepoirier2552]

These kind of comments are priceless. XD

[@anonymoose1980]

But you're still an assistant to the... assistant to the regional manager.

[@dwightschrute3827]

MW Playz You pathetic short little man, do not question my position at Dunder Mifflin.

[@lenin7935]

@@dwightschrute3827 Get a life Dwight

[@dwightschrute3827]

Lenin Singh I have one, you should go find yours.

[@joedoeodc9754]

Everything is accurate except for Dwight’s critique. He evolved as a character. You don’t stay the same person for 8 years, he needed change

[@andrejlondyn]

Yeah, but unfortunately he stopped being funny after he had changed. It just didn't work for the comedy anymore and that is a problem for a sitcom. It would have been fine for a different dramatic type of show.

[@aster1760]

@@andrejlondyn yeah but then again, after awhile. the a character staying the same gets unfunny too. while some of Dwights old jokes and moments will always be unforgettable, there is no physical way any writer could consistently keep those moments coming, and keep making good ideas with a stagnant and not very flexible character like the classic Dwight

[@andrejlondyn]

@@aster1760 The problem is that the writers did use the same comedy tropes and repeated the same jokes with Dwigh, but it just didn't work anymore, since they changed the character. That's exactly the point the author of this video was making. The way out of this for a writer is to also change the jokes if you change a character. Or end the show while it's still funny. Why do you think the authors of the original British show only did 2 seasons and one Christmas special? They just didn't wanna compromise their artistic integrity and rather finished the show then making it into some kind of soapy unfunny drama. Unfortunately in America they always try to milk these shows until a dead end.

[@aster1760]

@@andrejlondyn and I'm saying that both ways woudnt have worked. If they kept dwight the same the jokes should have got stale and people would have complained. If they changed the type of jokes with the evolved character people would have complained. Because hell that's what people are like with shows, their picky as fuck and dont want compromise, and it's a shame the length of the show was dragged out because of money, because that's exactly what kills shows

[@andrejlondyn]

@@aster1760 Ok. Fair enough. I can definitely agree with you on that one.I would say 2-3 seasons is enough for any sitcom and if the authors want to make a show with different characters they should just write a new show. And yes people will be never happy no matter the writers do and I'm probably one of them;)

[@MedalionDS9]

Andy's arc to win Erin back in season 8 genuinely impressed me, and to undo it in such a mean spiteful way in season 9 did not sit well with me among the many things that they did to sabotage his character

[@thesilvershining]

^^^ This. Thank you. I couldn’t have said it better.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

@@thesilvershining I felt his relationship with Erin demonstrated his character growth compared to his relationship with Angela. The show made it seem like Erin was his path to outgrowing his frat boy attitude. I just don't understand why they made his character backtrack to square one SO FAST.

[@thesilvershining]

@@chrisdaughen5257 You're exactly right. They showed really well how much better suited Erin was for him. When he told her in season 6 "You're the nicest person I ever met" you can tell he means it. He's in love with her already. Honestly there was no point in all the pining and romantic effort for over two seasons just to ruin it so horribly. Why would he dump Jessica and drive to Florida and risk his job just to get with Erin and then treat her like crap? Erin and Andy loved each other and they deserved better. I get what they were trying to do in S9: they needed an antagonist and some cheap drama. In the end they would say "Oh it's okay all that happened because Andy is fine now and he's a better more mature person, see?" And while the very end of his arc was good, it was still a horribly cruel approach and really damaged the spirit of the show for me. I don't know why Andy was chosen to be their sacrificial lamb but... there were a hundred better in-character ways to write Andy out for ten episodes (and for him to ultimately vacate the manager's chair) and more realistic poignant ways to break up the happy couple if that's what they truly HAD to do it for whatever reason. The real Andy we saw for five seasons would never treat her like he did in season 9. Ever.

[@DanielFolsom]

@@thesilvershining Apparently Ellie Kemper (the actor who plays Erin) suggested the split, or at least was a factor-she felt like her character would ultimately be drawn to someone more mature than Andy. (She's also said that she personally feels like her character and Pete wouldn't be a thing if the Office ever does a reboot.)

[@thesilvershining]

@Daniel Folsom Yeah... but Andy grew to be very mature at the end of season 9, more mature than Erin. And why have them get back together at all in season 8 if that’s how she felt? To get them together and break them up again in eight episodes was really dumb, imo.

[@PaulaBurgos-rw3sx]

Dwight learns to understand people after killing Angela's cat, and that is where the transformation of the character and the relationship is based. They are both weird and hostile to people and they start to change after they get hurt, Angela realizes that Dwight doesn't understand her pain and he is confused, for the first time in his life he tries to empathize. He gets depressed and begins to realize that there are more important things in life than doing the crazy things he did before, an example of this is not only when he is depressed and doesn't want to bother Jim, but also when he stops trying to get Jim fired because he finds out that he could be Philip's father. In my opinion, he begins to be colder with Michael because he acquired emotional intelligence and realized that Michael was often mean to him and sometimes he didn't consider him a friend. I would have liked that in Michael's last time at the office we had seen more of their friendship, but Dwight really had an organic and even expected growth, there were not enough weird moments but it was interesting to see him in more facets.

[@redfin382]

I never realized how many of the same beats they did with Michael they also did with Andy.

[@SadBut12]

*beets

[@jordandunham3856]

For real. I'm really curious about what the process is for making content like this. There are sooooo many hours he had to watch to catch all these things, especially the Michael Andy stuff you mentioned. They are so many seasons apart and he even used deleted scenes for other parts of the video so you know he has seen it all. I've watched The Office all the way through multiple times (admittedly a lot of the time it is pretty passive and just background noise) but to make these connections from one end of the show to the other is just amazing. Jesse deserves major props.

[@redfin382]

@@jordandunham3856 yeah I've watched every episode so many times too and I never picked up on the similar story beats

[@ReezyR]

@@redfin382 how u misspelled the same word two separate times its bits bro

[@redfin382]

@@ReezyR I didn't misspell anything. I meant beats. It's a saying.

[@siddhant...]

I totally agree with the Kevin point. In the start he was actually just too normal, and in the end he's actually 100% dumb and crazy for food. Somewhere in between around s5 was the perfect Kevin, a mix of normality and being somewhat dumb.

[@whoisfrancooo]

I love stupid Kevin. Was. probs my favorite part of the last seasons.

[@elderberryva9282]

Arguably the best Kevin moment was when he and Andy get the parking spaces back and he has that sweet little “I needed to win this one” moment, which is something I could never imagine season 9 Kevin doing

[@siddhant...]

@@elderberryva9282 exactly somewhere in between he was a mix of dumb in a cute way but also human. In the end he just became a dumb clown.

[@kennyhouser3467]

There's a really odd but thought provoking theory that Kevin is actually very intelligent and a criminal. Hence Dunder Mifflin Scranton ALWAYS turning a profit and his ability to be very good at gambling. The theory basically states that he was cooking the books the entire time he worked there for personal gain and when you piece together some of the subtle nuances it starts to make sense. The same goes with the theory that Toby was actually the Scranton Strangler. If you haven't read up on them and you're a fan of the show, I highly recommend it.

[@Couscouscouscous]

@@kennyhouser3467 completely agree

[@egylena]

it confuses me why Andy went bonkers. like he was a genuinely good character and was great with Erin. i fell like they kinda drew on this crush thing between the two right until they were together. when they were together they barely talked or did anything and then he lost it. Also i disagree abt Dwight. i believe his character development was probably the best in the entire series. he goes from being a "weird" kiss up to actually being a character we can love and enjoy. i will admit that the last episode i felt like i was watching a different person but i love how he became so close with people who he normally considered a bother.

[@trashboat2687]

With Andy they really didn’t know what to do with him when they established him as a main guy

[@RatPfink66]

I picture some executive pounding a table and saying, "The show needs to jump the shark"...of course without saying exactly those words.

[@shashankjamdagni4817]

The Hangover

[@holdencaulfied7492]

Andy went nuts and punched the wall and had to go to anger management in season 3, so he was always insufferable. He ruined the show.

[@jacobbartlett331]

Egypt j. It’s not that Dwight lacked character development,the opposite in-fact,the problem with Dwight was that he became too real and started lack his starting comedic appeal with micheal

[@lennartgro]

As a not native english speaker, in the most cases I have never realized, that Michael often invented or mixed up words just to sound smarter. I thought those were real words I just did not know lol

[@ktsterlin9304]

While hearing all those relationships I still don’t understand why Erin freaked tf out when she found out Andy was engaged to Angela.

[@1minuterants200]

RIIIIGGGHHHTTT *subscribe to my channel pls💕

[@akipepper8108]

Yeah same like it’s not like he is still with Angela

[@jazzyforever2002]

Right?? Idk maybe it was because she might have abandonment issues

[@bluepearl_22]

I don't know, I feel like not telling your girlfriend that you were engaged to one of your coworkers and just an affair away from actually going through with it could be kind of a hard pill to swallow for some people.

[@ktsterlin9304]

@@bluepearl_22 even when you put it like that, I don’t get it and I am trying. She cheated? Did she think he should stay with her after that? I’m not even sure if they got to have that convo. When she first found out, it would make sense to be upset because that’s a pretty pivotal moment to end a relationship but if/when she found out that Angela cheated I the worst way, I feel like everything should have been Gucci. I wouldn’t expect a guy to stay with a girl who was terrible and cheated.

[@briank5357]

I feel as if Dwight lives in his own world in the beginning of the show, but, either through the process of a camera crew being present, or through the dynamics of the other characters around him, he begins to realize that the world around him isn’t as complicated as he has been picturing it.

[@yaniktheyoutuber]

I agree

[@devrishibarua4222]

Beautifully said

[@joelmclaughlin1568]

literally cried when Pam caught up to Michael in the airport.

[@LITMOVIESCENES]

real tough guy i bet lol

[@stevenmark4407]

@@LITMOVIESCENES shut the fuck up

[@LITMOVIESCENES]

@@stevenmark4407 good one lol #moron

[@LITMOVIESCENES]

@@ebkiller45 lol...i will beat u and anyone u know at anything worthwhile on the planet im sure.. u shoulda done given up long ago...u prolly did..i bet u didnt even play high school sports lol...loser

[@LITMOVIESCENES]

@@ebkiller45 i can tell by that guys pfp hed be the one to cry first lol...you and him would be in tears watching this i bet lll

[@ethanthestud6362]

I want a show where, the script is just all improv, just one place, cast, and see where it goes from there. The worlds most relatable sitcom.

[@TraceVandal]

Spot on, they totally just tried to write Andy into Michael's roll and it didn't work, Andy didn't even seem like the same character after a while, plus they totally squandered the love story with Erin.

[@cascadestars]

I NEVER understood why they did that to his relationship with Erin

[@TraceVandal]

@@cascadestars I know! They had us man!!! I was invested and actually starting to like the two of them together and then she just flips the EFF out for no reason at all, as if she is some kind of religious zealot or something? Where the hell did that come from and why would she be so upset that he was engaged before? I know they set her up as a bit immature but she reacted WAY out of character.

[@cherylcampbell9369]

@@TraceVandal he left on the boat trip. That was huge.

[@qualitylawncare819]

* role

[@TraceVandal]

@@qualitylawncare819 well actually....pushes glasses up nose.

[@fckem1000]

You know it's the beginning of the end when you start bringing in a lot of new characters

[@agalo3631]

Seriously, why couldn’t we see more of the accountants, or Creed, Meredith, etc? I hated how they didn’t give the secondary characters more story lines once Michael left.

[@katiemc66]

The Cousin Oliver Effect

[@theinbunch1380]

Smosh be like

[@somecitrus7561]

What a fairly odd observation.

[@jayj7463]

@@agalo3631 I think those characters were so effective is because they weren't there all the time, creed appears and says some crazy thing every three episode but if he started doing it in every scene it would ruin how good the moments are

[@HerculeDevantrien]

By season 8, I genuinely believed Andy was one of the best characters: he had started as an emotionally unstable, privileged bootlicker, and had developed into an awkward but well-intentioned guy who did his best to improve himself (something Michael never really did on the long run). Even his meltdown at the end of season 8 felt justified: he went to great lengths to win back Erin, payed the price for it, and was presented with another challenge to overcome. His downfall in season 9 was spectacular. Ed Helms must have committed war crimes on set for the writers to be so dedicated to ruin and humiliate his character.

[@martham9226]

I completely agree, I was so confused when he suddenly became such a weirdo in season 9

[@elrose171]

He was doing the Hangover so that's why they had him written off that one season, and then he did hangover 2 but I think there were some scheduling issues, something that they didn't like about the movie, so they decided to just throw away all of the growth he had in season 8 lol

[@SoK05]

@@elrose171 that sounds really unprofessional.

[@reggiexp69]

yeah i mean it was wierd last season, like he loved erin but then left her (i mean she wanted to take that boat ride with him) then he came back expecting erin to wait for him, like didnt make sense he threw her away like that... kinda made me sad and mad like all these episodes of them in love and shit. then for him to leave for X month without talking to her, but also was funny how erin the receptionist fall in love with a other guy in the office and they sometimes made it look like a pam and jim remake but they for sure ruined ed helms plays in the series...

[@MikeWazowski18]

@@reggiexp69 I totally agree. I mean, you have no other options when Ed Helms has like no time because of freaking Hangover, which blew up at that time, nothing to do about that. But at the same time they spent so much time on building this character progression for Andy himself, and than for the relationship with Erin, even Erin matured during that time. But out of nowhere he just takes his drunk ass brother on a 3 Month boat trip and only emails Erin 4 times during that time, which means andy lost all love for her out of nowhere. He came back looking like a homeless man lying to David about him being in the office the past 3 months so he suddenly became this self-unaware, lying douchebag. He even tried to ruin Erins new relationship etc etc. So many things that made me mad. It felt like complete waste and they were kinda playing with our feelings :( Just watched the last episode and I cried cause I will never ever in my life have that same feeling about a show again like I had with this The Office. I also can't rewatch it and have the same feelings about it, since I know everything. This show was a git to my life I will never forget.

[@kanegarvey848]

Signs of a declining sitcom: The main character left.

[@lestatmacway892]

Is it wrong that it made me sadder when Michael left than the finale?

[@iparracine]

me too

[@robertoandres2203]

I cried both when he left and came back :')

[@allisoncreates8211]

i cried the most when michael came back for the wedding because it was so beautiful lol

[@chloe-qs7ue]

i was low key happy when michael left 👀

[@24kipu]

Saaaaame!!!

[@mdrnlevi]

Honestly, i could feel the show declining when Sabre joined the company. Not that it was bad, but it certainly wasn’t as great as the first 5 seasons. Once Michael left, i basically lost all hope. I hated whatever will ferrell was, Nellie wasn’t awful but definitely wasn’t great either, Andy became an asshole, and Kevin just became downright stupid. The only character development i liked was Pam and Dwight’s.

[@connorkimbral3034]

I just felt like Ferrell ruined the Goodbye song that everyone sung to Michael.

[@iamapokerface8992]

there is an interesting theory about kevin that he actually was on purpose stupid

[@jorgebalbin5170]

@@iamapokerface8992 no

[@AhsanKhan-xf7vs]

Really hated pam in later seasons she beacame manipulative and self centered.

[@Ace-dv5ce]

@@iamapokerface8992 There is a theory that he is secretly smart when stuff involves food

[@MrAgentTurner]

The fact they literally copied Michaels quirks and put them on Andy is just.... awful. Such bad writing.

[@Ranger1812]

Without the good-heartedness.

[@douglasmcintosh464]

They didn’t do that but okay sure

[@Ranger1812]

@@douglasmcintosh464 They did, such as his misunderstanding of words and hatred of a co-worker.

[@joshuabell1790]

@@douglasmcintosh464 Exactly. They didn't. Andy's character is obvious: he's got a major dad-acceptance issue and while he hails from a rich pedigree, but he's not really Cornell material. His heyday is clearly behind him, and the conflict between being what he wants and what his father expects of him keeps him in a weird, mediocre flux. Being in actual management can bring out these insecurities. It's normal. And how he treats Nelly makes perfect sense. If you were dealing with all of these issues, lacked confidence, and then got not only screwed over but treated like a walking crisis, you might respond in kind. If you don't understand the human ego, then you don't why Andy acted the way that he did. His changes through to the end are just his journey in coming to grips with himself. Jealousy is normal. Revenge is normal. And we're talking about trying to get hyper-realistic about a show in which a manager kisses a gay subordinate and runs over another and somehow doesn't get fired. The last two seasons of the Office were necessary, even if it was the studio's fault for not bringing Michael back when Steve clearly wanted to. Comedy isn't all about laughs. You need drama, you need instability, and the other things we saw in those last seasons. Would I have preferred it be *with* Michael Scott? Sure. But the shakeup made sense, and it's baffling to watch people dissect things the way this video does.

[@DaveS859]

@@joshuabell1790 It's a fictional TV show buddy

[@whitworth5s248]

I've thought a lot about The Office and what exactly made it bad as it went on. Sure, everything in here is accurate. I hated what they did to Andy, and turning Dwight cool practically killed the show for me, but the earliest point where I felt like something in the formula was off was with season 5, and particularly the introduction of Charles Miner. The show is supposed to be a sort of parody of office life that you at home could have a good laugh at and unwind after a day at your own job. There was drama in the first four seasons, but it still always felt like people were just goofing off to try to kill time until the clock hit 5pm. Then Charles Miner came in, breathing down Jim's (the audience's surrogate) neck and it suddenly felt like actual work. Like you were suddenly thrust back into your own workplace where you have a boss breathing down your neck as well, and the joy and escapism of it all went away. There were certainly good episodes in season 5, but this was also the season where a lot of those other problems started. The characters started to get Flanderized, and it all culminated in what I think was the first very bad episode of the show overall: Cafe Disco... where nothing really happened, and we're supposed to believe that these people who resent working together suddenly decided to work together to make an impromptu dance party; something that would be hard to organize in even some of the most tightly knit workplaces in real life. This was the moment when I feel like it stopped being about an office full of characters, and started to be a show about oddball and silly characters, who just happen to work together in an office.

[@ChipmunkAsylum]

It started to decline in season 6. When Dunder Mifflin became Sabre it started to get pretty iffy

[@westons.8659]

@Max Kellerman I tried arrested development but it felt weird watching it after I was so used to how the office was and their characters and stuff

[@DenJSmith]

Yep. That was easily the worst season.

[@StrangerBlocks]

@@westons.8659 i love arrested development. easily as good as the office

[@PJ-cm8ix]

@@DenJSmith season 8 is the worst

[@embrianne2286]

I agree. That was the starting point. Then when micheal left they should’ve just ended it there. Last two seasons were just eh.

[@ramonasgreat1047]

I hated Andy, then I loved him, then I hated him,,, it was so sad 😭

[@michellec6119]

Never liked Andy. Not for one minute.

[@xXBarracudaXx]

When they first added him he was a total a-hole but then I really started to like him

[@DJPINK907]

at the end i felt bad for him. they could’ve made him and that blonde girl he met at the line for auditions date. i know they just had met but he could’ve at least had a relationship that lasted

[@raywhitethorngalathynius]

same!

[@ClayLud]

Andy at the beginning was a good character. Totally messed up dude, but ive seen younger yuppie types guys somewhat like him.

[@depressedhomo9330]

No one ever talks about it but I really like how Phyllis and Stanley developed, they hardly had any lines in the begging and were just background characters but they really got their own personalities in the later episodes

[@davidvillamonte2007]

They didn't developed at all, they only had their defined personalities

[@helenaperez4343]

Especially as a friendship, the scene in the finale where Stanley gives the wood carving to Phyllis is so sweet.

[@yu-bj1he]

i dont think they really developed but we just learn more abt their personalities overtime, for instance how we once thought phyllis was innocent and then turned out to be the most fake person in the office

[@JAMESNOTWELL]

@@yu-bj1he that’s literally developing a character

[@yu-bj1he]

@@JAMESNOTWELL developing a character is watching them change as a person imo

[@gracexoxoxo]

i think that the dwight development made a lot more sense then you make out, he realises how attached he is to angela when he looses her and that is when he learns how he should treat people and humanises them

[@colebarnes3212]

I feel like Dwight is allowed to develop as a character. It's funny when he's unsuccessful, sure, but someone that dedicated should strike gold as he does every now and then.

[@bluepearl_22]

I liked Dwight's character development way more than Jim's, especially after Cece was born. Jim became kind of a douche during the last 2 seasons and personally (I know this will get me killed) at some point I would've actually been ok if they had him and Pam break up. They made him too perfect to the point where their relationship problems were actually a breeze of fresh air to me.

[@brazencoronet17]

I feel like relationships are too perfect in sitcoms sometimes; at least the "destined" ones are

[@CesarDaSalad]

@@bluepearl_22 I feel that. Jim and Pam ended up being people who were perfect, could do no wrong, and thought themselves better and smarter than everyone else (because they sadly were). By the end it was just exhausting and annoying. So the few times where Dwight managed to get back at them and embarrass them back were very satisfying, I wish there had been more of that.

[@ThvrdEye]

“Oaky afterbirth” will always be funny

[@benvolio5415]

I find it hilarious that Deangelo was so inconsistently and badly written that they had to literally kill him off to get him off the show

[@WillowJordan1979]

I wonder how much of that was writing and how much was Will Ferrell. He ad libbed in the song scene, maybe some of the other weird stuff was ad libbed too?

[@thehungrylittlenihilist]

Will Ferrel does well when he sticks reasonably close to a script. On his own, though, he sometimes mistakes being obnoxious for being funny.

[@nemousin7320]

I was so relieved when they said that hes in a coma

[@olliee1919]

The most unfunny comedian after Seth Rogan

[@mihkelmartkivisild8201]

@@olliee1919 soo true!

[@horsepowermultimedia]

Every tv show kinda has it's own life cycle. They are born with an curious audience that gives it the initial boost towards popularity. As it continues to air, it grows from the constant introduction of ideas along with the enthusiasm of the audience. Eventually, the show either dies from the lack of ideas from creators & the loss of an audience or brings forth descendants in the form of spinoffs to continue its legacy.

[@wvnderbread]

Michael: Has sort of an oaky afterbirth Jim: What was that? This scene kills me every time solely because of Jim’s reaction

[@masonbernheim7629]

Just seeing Scott’s Totts gave me Vietnam flashbacks.

[@radiofrog]

LOL that was by far the hardest episode for me to watch. I had to keep pausing every minute or so just to cringe violently at the impending awkwardness and despair

[@allisonsroom]

When I first watched that episode I had to keep telling myself, “This isn’t real, it’s only acting.”

[@glowingbuddha]

Mason Bernheim lmaooo I have to skip over that part of the episode when he tells them he can’t do it..then skip to the next episode 😂😂

[@karaeatworldAHHHHH]

アリソンちゃん BRUH SAME

[@thekupus1]

I just always skip that episode completely.

[@geigerzoola6642]

I still cant forgive what they did to andy....

[@side6569]

If you rewatch the show you can see that he was always that way, Season 9 just brought his selfish tendencies to a larger stage.

[@Lakersfansince95]

I wanted to hit Ed Helms so many times during season 9 but man he was annoying from the very first time he appeared on the show.

[@343Films]

@@side6569 The whole point of character arcs is that, while yes the character always retains a bit of what defined them to begin with, they develop into a noticeably different person by the end of the show. Andy in season 7 and 8 is a very different person from Andy in season 3. That's because his character underwent an arc that took multiple seasons to truly flesh out. Then in season 9, the writers completely threw that out the window and decided to make Andy an even bigger douche than he was when we first meet him in season 3. This sudden change of character came entirely out of nowhere and really ruined him for much of the audience.

[@Droogie128]

@@side6569 he showed serious growth throughout the show, and they threw that all out of the window. They destroyed his character.

[@gabcir95]

Yes. So sad. Andy on the eight season was good... Then they decided to ruin the character

[@XMattingly]

Most of the reasons for decline is premised on the departure of Michael Scott, but that’s wrong. The Office was in its prime when it centered around actual white collar tropes, and the people you work with every day & kind of know, but not really… which leads to odd interactions 9-5. Where The Office _fell flat_ was when coworkers started getting involved in their personal lives. SOMETIMES that worked exceptionally well like the dinner party, but usually… it fell flat. I’m sorry, but the entire office taking a weekend trip out of state to their coworkers’ wedding 100% jumped the shark. No matter how funny it may or may not have been, story lines like that was a bridge way too far. That one example was almost two full seasons ahead of Scott’s exit.