There Is A BIG Goalie Problem In The NHL

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[@RobTalksHockey]

Rookie Cale Makar Chase Box 🔥 therthcompany.com/products/guaranteed-graded-card-box Are the Leafs and Oilers doomed? Is there a trade coming?

[@adamdanforth2885]

In my opinion, I do not believe there is one specific trade that will help either team. I think you made a great point regarding a team's defense in front of the goalie. Furthermore, if the team plays a solid team-defense game, they will save their goalie from having to "come up big" several times during a game. I think there are so many variables that contribute to the current issues: (These are my thoughts and I know everyone is totally free to disagree) 1. The "defensive defenseman" seems to be a lost art and definitely underappreciated. Every team seems to be looking for two or three Bobby Orrs. No disrespect to Erik Karlsson but what good is having a defenseman that puts up a whole bunch of points on an otherwise terrible team? I fully agree there is a need for puck-moving D-men, but they need to play strong and smart defense first. My team, (Boston) is riddled with defensive problems: turnovers, bonehead decisions with the puck, being outworked to name a few. 2. Perhaps the NHL has reached a level of parity that we have not seen before. The reasons for this can be argued at every level but one might think due to salary cap issues, or over-paid underachieving players may factor in to it. Look at the current standings. There are several teams that are either at .500 or just a few games over. I don't give too much weight on "if the playoffs began today" nonsense, but in the Metropolitan division 6 points separates 2nd from 7th; the Atlantic- 11 points between 2nd and 6th (only 5 wins); Central- 9 points between 3rd and 6th; Pacific- only a couple teams within reach of the top three, I grant you, but none-the-less, how many teams in the league are just a few games over .500? 3. Regulation wins. Granted, some people may view the 3 v 3 overtime and shootout as a gimmick, (I am not a fan of either) but I think it can be argued that some teams clearly benefit from the format: TOR 11 of 19 RWs, MTL 8 of 16 RWs, PHI 13 of 19 RWs, WSH 12 of 18 RW's, VGK 16 of 22 RW's, DAL 15 of 22 RWs. How does this affect goaltending? (one might ask) Simple: fatigue.

[@HockeyLocomotive]

The last time a goalie was the number one draft pick was 20 years ago in 2003 when Pittsburgh drafted Marc-Andre Fleury as the veterans retire the Goalie problem will evolve substantially.

[@IVEdge]

And the man has still got it. Not sure why the wild were mentioned as disappointing goaltending.

[@natheayn6111]

​​@@IVEdge at the start of the season they were in the running with edmonton for worst save percentage in the league at ~.880 In the last month and a bit gustavson has gone from ~.875 to .905+ by putting up a lot of good games but before that it was ugly. I would say maybe Minnesota not so disappointing goalies any more, but you can definitely say disappointing at the start and it did impact their season.

[@Recon6delta]

Yea and he is a hall of famer!

[@c.s.s.5326]

Gabriel D’Aigle may be the only kid on the horizon with a shot at a Top 5 Draft Slot…

[@jugaloking69dope58]

you dont need a top 2 draft pick goaile just a good goalie that has a well balanced team in frot of him ! plus lots of puck luck.

[@cartergoetz5693]

I've been saying this for a while. Everyone is so focused on offense that they're overlooking goaltending and defense. There's not many elite goalies in the league anymore

[@c.s.s.5326]

The development of D-men in general in seemingly more feast or famine than ever…

[@axe2grind244]

So how can they be focused on goaltending if there aren’t any. NFL teams without an elite franchise QB will never win anything but there aren’t any elite franchise QB’s out there so there’s really nothing they can do.

[@c.s.s.5326]

@@axe2grind244 That's where player development comes in. Makar is a freak of nature to be certain. But Anaheim better develop Oleg Zellweger, Jiricek is in Columbus, Nemec in Jersey, to a lesser extend you've got kids who could develop along the lines of Brian Rafalski or Boyle who played in SJ and TB, in the likes of Ty Nelson in Seattle or Theo Lindstein in St. Louis. Not too mention Karl Annborn and Sam Dickenson in the upcoming drafts. And I trust your NFL labeling there was a typo lol...

[@Pocketrocket-pj1us]

Catch 22

[@From-North-Jersey]

The defense and the goalie are a unit, like the rhythm section of a band. Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretsky leveraged their positions as team owners to make true defense illegal. Every year the competition committee meets during the off season to fine tune the rules, and every year since the two greatest scorers in the history of the league became owners defense has become more "illegal" rule by rule,chip by chip. Bring back the two line pass rule, and get rid of all the stupid protections the puck carrier have accumulated since the NHL declared war on The Devils and The Trap. Hockey will be a watchable sport again.

[@cweaver4080]

The NHL was concerned about lack of goals so they kept rejiggering the game to fix that. More screens in front, more calls on hooking and interference, and no more defensive trap (thank God). Game is faster and more open. So now we are seeing more goals. Its not the goalies.

[@From-North-Jersey]

You just described to a tee everything that is wrong with hockey. Two primmadonna owners who used to be pure offensive players have used the competition committee in the off season to make defense illegal and hockey unwatchable like basketball. Bring back the two line pass rule, bring back the penalty for screening the goalies, move the net back so agile goalies can help keep the power play pressure on and break up dump and chase plays, and BRING BACK THE TRAP. The most exciting hockey game ever played was the eastern conference finals between the Devils and the Rangers at the end of the 93/94 season. If you prefer the ladies garden party on skates the league offers up these days to this game from back when Men played the sport you don't like hockey, you like Croquet. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5iTgq2GjJt2rrs I am almost jealous of you, you are about to have a religious experience.

[@mikefromholt8791]

EXAACTLY! It's not goaltending, but rather the league has made it more geared for scoring goals. Let goalies roam into the corners to get the puck, eliminate the two line pass., and allow the goalies to expand their leg pads back to 12 inches like it was before.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

I think it's more to it then just rule changes, though those do play a major role. When you have decades of dead puck era, goalies in development don't get tested as much, so they don't get as good. Goals start happening on plays that were previously saves, and players gain confidence to try creative things now more likely to pay off rather then result in getting stoned. So we see scoring skill pick up in the juniors as players get the green light from coaches more often, looking to gain an edge by getting a few goals past the other team, then teams still stuck in the dead puck era find themselves behind and chasing 2 and 3 goal deficits all the time and start picking up guns to counter this, and now they're no longer dead puck teams as they skill up. This breeds a focus on developing offensive skills to outscore the opposition, as you can't rely on good defense along as a creative play by the other team, or a weak effort by your goalie can cost you, and will cost you, so you have to hunt for goals to outscore those situations. This ebb and flow of what skills young players learn most is why we see hockey flow back and forth between defensive and offensive eras. The dead puck era just lasted longer then such eras usually do, due to teams taking advantage of age old officiating policies of "let them play" means don't call anything, even when the rule book says it's not a part of the NHL game. Teams for a long time became experts of walking the line of how much obstruction refs were willing to tolerate before pulling out the whistle and used that in combination with an overabundance of elite goalies to kill off the offense for 2 full generations. Some of these so called "rule changes" are really just changing the policies to actually call what's already been in the NHL rule books all along. Holding, tripping, hooking, interference, these things have always been penalties since the earliest days of the NHL rule books even 100 years ago, and many of these things were penalties even in the pre-NHL leagues of the 1900s and 1910s. Just somewhere along the line, the NHL allowed a no calls creep to set in and it came to a head in the 90s and 2000s.

[@From-North-Jersey]

@@Seriously_Unserious The 90-2000's as the golden age of hockey when viewership was increasing like mad not some dead puck era. Unlike this no defense livepuck era where nobody is watching and the league can't keep a major TV contract? is that what your are talking about? No viewers is bad for hockey, no contact is bad for hockey, a european attitude toward hockey is bad for hockey. The major expansion that was working when defense ruled the day died and the contraction started because of the lady bing era brought on by Wayne and Mario.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

@@From-North-Jersey the 90s was a period of rapid expansion into major new markets, and time of relative economic stability. the 2020s are a time of recession, war and instability. Most major TV networks are failing and aren't signing contracts not because they think the NHL product stinks, but because they have NO MONEY. ESPN is failing, their parent company, Disney is failing, most Canadian channels are relying on grants and bailouts from the federal government to stay afloat, many other US TV channels are similarly struggling. Don't conflate economic problems with quality of the sport. And in spite of these things, in person attendance is doing great, and the NHL teams are massively profitable overall. The salary cap is about to go up significantly by all indications, so hardly a league in collapse or even a slowdown financially.

[@timbacon7349]

One thing that definitely helps a team dramatically when it comes to winning games a Stanley Cup, is elite level goaltending. You want a guy saving everything thrown at him in the playoffs. Without that, it’s not going to happen.

[@soulknife20]

Explain the Avs 2021-2022. Keumper had the lowest save average of a Stanley Cup winning goalie

[@brimiller2989]

​@@soulknife20yeah and avs essentially had to compensate for that hard. winning 2 of 4 games in OT, and one game by 1 goal. the other win was 7-0; but the point is it was a really shakey series win despite having just so much talent in front of the goalie. slight shifts and that series goes the other way for sure. (4 of the 6 total games were 1 goal or less games, despite the avs having just better skating power)

[@tonynicoletti8161]

Or vgk last yr 5th string goalies

[@tami3456]

The avs won with mediocre goaltending so no, you don't need "elite goaltending". You just need your goalie to make that one extra save

[@FranklinSteele]

You just need a guy who can win 16 times. It's such a crazy position. Team has to just get to the playoffs. Hot goalie can hijack the rest.

[@EweCantHandletheTruth]

I saw an interview with Tukka Rask saying he was glad he retired when he did because it’s practically impossible for a goalie to read the puck off of a players stick now. An average NHL’er now shoots as hard as the ONE guy who had the hardest shot 15 years ago. I see the forwards and defenseman’s equipment getting better, yet there’s nothing you can do for a goalie equipment to counter that unless they change the rules concerning pad and glove size. But they want more scoring so why would they. Maybe fans have to change their mentality and accept a 3.50 GA and a .890 save % as decent.

[@aloneill6337]

Except that's not a decent save percentage. The NHL average is still above .900, though barely. It's gone from .910 in 2019-20 to .904 last year and is .903 so far this season.

[@kyleconnor2759]

Is this primarily due to equipment evolving like in golf w players hitting farther or is it also training to shoot harder?

[@ImOnEdge_]

You sort of contradicted yourself there. “Except that it's not a decent save percentage” “It's gone from .910 in 2019-20 to .904 last year and is .903 so far this season” So you are aware and agree that it has been getting lower and lower. While the avg sv% is still barely above the .900 mark, it has decreased and is still decreasing due to how skilled the game is nowadays. The OP has a point, eventually, we will have to accept the fact that .890 sv% will be the new average benchmark for a good goaltender.

[@EweCantHandletheTruth]

@@aloneill6337 I’m not saying it’s decent. I’m saying the expectations might have to be. As the equipment gets better, the physicality becomes less and the skill level rises for forwards and defence, the skill of a goaltender can only reach a certain level. Their equipment hasn’t really changed in a way that can improve their play. They’re falling behind in the “advancement” of the game as a whole. I’m not knocking goalies, they’re just reverting to how things used to be. I’m 52, so I remember when Grant Fuhr was “the guy”…but he was “the guy” with a career 3.38 gaa and a .887 save %. And he’s in the HOF!

[@aloneill6337]

@@ImOnEdge_, it's not a contradiction. Save percentages are falling, but .890 continues to be a bad save percentage. Maybe the average might get that low, but we're not there yet. Reimer's .890 ranks him 84th in the league right now (not adjusting for workload).

[@bjarczyk]

There is a big team defense problem in the NHL. The players and skillsets have become so advanced that you are asking goalies to be superhuman if you give up chances in the slot and front of the net. A lot of fans are quick to blame goaltending because of one dimensional analysis.

[@chrismdb5686]

Players refuse to play the body when it's the right and only play to make. Instead they flail their stick around and give up prime scoring opportunities.

[@axe2grind244]

It will even out. Things like this come in waves. Few years ago many QB’s were throwing for 5k yards in only 16 games, now guys aren’t doing that in 17 games because teams play McDermotts 2 high safety look and it’s working….working so well that James Cook has become Josh’s #1 target and he’s a RB. There’s a counter to every attack.

[@munchinator4000]

sergei bobrovsky is the sole reason the panthers made the stanley cup finals last season

[@TheScotian82]

not sole. but largely.

[@Windyyyyyyyyy]

It’s also scary just how many goals even a great goalie is giving up (I.e Sorokin, Ullmark, Shesterkin, etc)

[@PeteNice29]

Man, look. The story of EDM and TOR is decades old. The simply won't seriously address the defense, and keep plopping 1B (at best) goalies in expecting miracles. You're not always going to have a Crawford/Niemi/Hill type of scenario. Most teams need better than that.

[@Dogcitydisco]

Totally spot on. Also, those Chicago teams and the recent Vegas team at least had the D core to limit shots/high danger chances

[@Labadamier]

Its interesting. I think another angle for some of the scoring in todays league is hockey transitioning more away from physical play to more speed/skill play. We're really starting to see the rise of these new generational goal scorers. Players who may have been bullied and beaten out of a tougher era of hockey, but can just fill the net nowadays. I think we're just getting started seeing high scoring games on a regular basis

[@Labadamier]

(I don't know this obviously, but just speculating in the old youtube comments section amongst other fine scholars)

[@jasoncrandall73]

I agree with you. Also players are shooting higher up towards the cross bars. But Toronto (like Buffalo) & others team defense is a word used loosely sometimes (to try to score more).

[@ryanstadtfeld9993]

Although I much prefer lower scoring games, I understand higher scoring is here to stay. The one thing I ask is that deflected goals don't count if they aren't off the blade of the stick or are deflected above skate level. But I doubt many agree with me.

[@maxskogh6289]

But if there's a system of great goalscorers there must exist great great goal tenders or defence men too. Otherwise all this generational talent wouldn't stand out. And there must be some goalies out there that have grown up with these scorers around and adapted to whatever way to beating them. But which the league has lost interest in because all they want is scorers

[@From-North-Jersey]

Or the league could make defense legal again.

[@neeltheother2342]

The ongoing goalie carousel in the NHL has been funny and concerning to watch lol.

[@-Subtle-]

Every NHL team: has a bad game here or there. Every NHL teams' media except Toronto: there are some bad games, oh well Toronto's media: our goalies are terrible because they don't have a shutout every single night. Reality: There are 64 people in the world that are good enough to be NHL goalies.

[@TheLarknessMonster]

Nah goalies numbers have been dropping HARD. past years there have always been around 60 goalies at 0.900 save percentage. This year it's at 48. 20% drop in goalie performance.

[@jonathanallard2128]

@@TheLarknessMonster The NHL was concerned about lack of goals so they kept rejiggering the game to fix that. More screens in front, more calls on hooking and interference, and no more defensive trap (thank God). Game is faster and more open. So now we are seeing more goals. Its not the goalies.

[@TheLarknessMonster]

@@jonathanallard2128 That all happened over a decade ago. You are talking old news. Trap died almost 20 years ago. NHL actually calls 2-3 less penalties per game since the 2000s and early 2010s. League wide goalie save percentage and GAA haven't been this bad since before the deadpuck era in early/mid 90s. It has more to do with players playing more offensively and technology improving. Shots are harder and faster than they used to be and NHL teams aren't adjusting defensively or with goaltending.

[@jonathanallard2128]

@@TheLarknessMonster Ya making me feel so old now. Feels like it eas just yesterday.

[@moodlampActual]

I think dipietro has scared gms off from doing the right thing for their goalie roster like you mentioned in the second half of the video.

[@clippervelocity6191]

The islanders were absolutely delusional to give anyone a 15 year contract

[@moodlampActual]

@clippervelocity6191 yes. All I'm saying is the conventional wisdom ever since then has been don't waste a 1st rd draft pick on a goalie, don't spend money on a goalie, you don't need to worry about a goalie. It's clearly shown who followed that Mantra.

[@j.r.6142]

​@@moodlampActual Yep, goaltenders', the perennial Rosa Parks' of hockey...to the back of the bus with the lot of you...go on, git....there's no draft chances here for your kind

[@jamesdiato]

I miss the days where there were multiple all star show stealing goalies that played 70+ gamrs smh

[@jonathanallard2128]

Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Belfour....

[@HavokR505]

toronto literally had a franchise goalie and let him walk in free agency cuz they thought they could do better. instead he went to Carolina for pocket change and was one of the best in the league. no pity for toronto. they had a goaltender...

[@VapedTalon]

They have a goaltender in Woll and one coming up in Dennis Hildeby. I'm not sure we can agree on Freddy, but the Tuukka situation certainly hurt.

[@bunsw2070]

You mean Anderson? I thought it was because he was getting old and easily injured.

[@hurtlocker6611]

Anderson has been injured since his last season with the Leafs.

[@robertkarlsson6849]

Is it Goldeneye 007 playing in the background?

[@rubbish9120]

As a devils fan, this has become super apparent to me this season, cool to see it put into perspective great stuff

[@Kiintny]

Also, having a good solid goalie makes if that much easier to later find a replacement, as you have the TIME for it! Great example as mentioned, Henrik Lundqvist and the Rangers.

[@prezidentjeff]

You could make the case that up until the early 2010’s, half of the leagues teams had elite or close to elite goaltending. Now there’s maybe 5 teams with a franchise goalie while everyone else has question marks. Canada seemingly forgetting how to produce top goalies over the last 10 years is a big contributor

[@ryanu.4953]

The development of the league is towards scoring. It’s similar to baseball where it transitioned from base hits to home runs. It’s better overall to score than it is to prevent scoring. That explains the lack of defense in the league, followed with set plays involving timed screens and massive goalie scouting. For entry level fans more scoring=more fun and excitement, for veteran fans, huge saves are peak excitement. Goaltending will evolve again, but right now it’s trailing the gains of a 5 man offense and set plays. It’s just gonna take junior goalies dealing with this type of offense and set plays atm to come out of development correctly.

[@PeteNice29]

The systems will catch up eventually, and then the offense will find other methods and so on. This is all cyclical.

[@axe2grind244]

But home runs have led to far more strikeouts which makes pitching look good too so there’s no real reflection. Plenty of pitchers still dominated even during the height of the juiced ball era, not many goalies can say the same at the moment…if any.

[@ryanu.4953]

@@axe2grind244 depends what you’re looking at, era is way higher, even if strike outs per 9 was also going up at that time. Also, I would say there are for sure goalies that are having a successful run at it, but they’re doing it with great teamwork from defensemen. Defensive traps and baiting shots from specific players and angles that allows the goalie to not have to cover as many options.

[@axe2grind244]

@@ryanu.4953 Thats true. Im old so I remember when Hasek ,Roy and Marty were easily the 3 best players in the league. Goalies don't "individually" dominate anymore.

[@ryanu.4953]

@@axe2grind244 as a QMJ washout myself (not a goalie) to comment on your 3 picks there, Roy invented the butterfly, and revolutionized goaltending (everyone does his style better than he did now)Hasek was the best desperation save/scrambler ever (he’s too small now for modern shooters), and brodeur’s team invented the dump in trap/teamplay. If you thought brodeur’s style was amazing, there’s no reason you shouldn’t like how the kings and Vegas currently play.

[@IMAGE_NT_HEADERS]

When I make the NHL I'll work on this

[@kingofmemes5017]

The bruins are a team that springs to mind as a very succesful defensive and goaltending team. They have had Tim Thomas, Rask, Ullmark and now Swayman and have had big Z among other solid defencemen and Bergeron and Krejci as two elite 2-way centers. I'd like to mention the Panthers' amazing underdog run with Bobrovsky too.

[@jugaloking69dope58]

its the culture and tutelage. dont just show up to collect a paycheck

[@hockeyme3113]

It must be the Bruins' goalie coach. Like seriously, how else do you have that many great goalies every damn time?

[@leeham6230]

People forget how good Bobrovsky was last season in the playoffs. Unreal goaltending behind a bad defensive core. The Panthers were great on the forecheck, and Bobs bailed them out on the backcheck.

[@kingofmemes5017]

@@hockeyme3113 Ullmark was developed largely by the Sabres, but they still found him as a gem on a struggling team

[@kingofmemes5017]

@@leeham6230 people were comparing him to JS Giguere in 2003 a lot. He would have won the conn smythe by a mile if the panthers won

[@cash3015]

I feel like Leafs found an answer in Woll but then he went down as he got momentum.

[@jonahs52803]

That pic at 2:40 was of Hank and georgiev not igor haha! Great vid tho as always rob ‼️

[@popperyan9897]

It's not a goalie problem it's the sticks. It's hard to be a goalie when even the player with the worst shot in the league has the best shot 10 years ago.

[@bunsw2070]

Good point. The new sticks are amazing. And I wonder if they keep getting even better.

[@axe2grind244]

Maybe. But I have a hard time believing if Hasek, Roy and Brodeur were in the league right now they wouldn’t have sub 2 GAA’s and .920+ save % cuz they absolutely would.

[@sportsjefe]

Brodeur only had a sub 2 GAA twice and a .920+ save% 3 times. @@axe2grind244 Hasek only had a sub 2 GAA twice. Roy once. Your view of the past is overly romanticized.

[@ajh5124]

Hey Rob, your photo was of Georgiev with Lundqvist. Shesterkin is number 31. Georgiev was #40 with the Rangers as he is the same number now with the AVALANCHE.

[@mossberg_enjoyer]

I got here and the only comments are rob and two porno bots, gotta love it

[@RobTalksHockey]

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[@garrett6618]

😂

[@Habsfan56744]

Habs and Jacob Fowler they drafted him in the 3rd round imo it could be a steal and last year they drafted lane Hutson. There both look like they could be core pieces in the future and the crazy thing is is that lane Hutson was drafted in the 2nd round and Fowler was drafted in the 3rd round

[@kingofmemes5017]

The fact that the habs drafted Slaf, Mesar and Beck before Hutson is wild. I hope Fowler has a solid career with us too.

[@Habsfan56744]

@@kingofmemes5017 future lookin very nice🤌

[@topsu9998]

Great video Robby boy💪🏻🔥 Also you must be happy w the nucks!

[@RobTalksHockey]

Thanks brother 👊🏼

[@topsu9998]

​@@RobTalksHockey Only 3,5 k away from 100k. You have made it far💪🏻💪🏻🔥

[@knallerjohn4531]

I think to a certain degree it's not that goalies around the league are so bad right now but rather that we've been accustomed to some absolutely amazing goalies in recent memory. Rangers went from Richter to Hank to Igor. Bruins Thomas, Rask and now Ullmark/Swayman. Penguins had Fleury. Vasy, Price and more. These goalies coming in are still elite athletes, we're just used to absolutely outstanding stuff. On the other hand we've also seen teams just not draft goalies or just not spend the resources developing them. We see so much focus on playmaking D (Makar, Fox etc.) and on Franchise Forwards, goalies are just not getting the time of day by the teams staff it seems. There's a couple goalies that have me thinking "give this guy a year or two and he'll be great" but just not to the degree of recent decades. Maybe im just biased as a Rangers fan that has been treated to some amazing goalies and as a goalie enjoyer by all the rask, price, vasy and fleury compilations.

[@igmusicandflying]

1:51 REAL love for your team means acknowledging your team's deficiencies and wanting something to be done about it so the team(s) you love have the most success they can have.

[@mirandarights5566]

I played goalie half my hockey career..Gilles Villamure was my mentor..he would always shout stay up cut the angles,once you drop to the ice you have committed half your body ,the biggest obstacle for the puck to pass (the pads)and mobility to the attacking team...today the equipment is so much larger ,lighter than years past..the catch glove a cooper gm 12 was just about the size of a baseball first baseman's glove..the shooters are just as accurate as a sniper with a scope on a high powered rifle so positioning and the ten percent luck of being fast enough in reacting is most prevalent..I used to coach ,react don't make the final commitment move that gives the shooter the edge and the angles if you watch videos of Mike Richter of the Rangers you can see before the drop of the puck to start a period or game he goes through his angles and positioning of himself to the points on the ice and boards that are stationary knowing the net is covered by those angles... And with all that preparation some games as a goalie stopping a beach ball from going in the net was a challenge....I do recall a high school practice where I was the only goalie losing to the five cones set across the front of the other net...Ice Hockey the universe's best team sport... even on other celestial bodies we can find a patch of ice to skate

[@ianburke3826]

Doesn’t matter how many goals you score if you can’t keep them out of your own net. I’ve been saying for a while that the leafs should get rid of one of the “core 4” and get a high level goalie and defensive depth. Same with Edmonton. You can’t just load up with high scorers and expect to just win. Too many GMs playing EASPORTS lol

[@imclueless9875]

Honestly nailed it on the head. It baffles me that EVERY team skips over seeking out good goalies. They are always looking for PLAYERS and NEVER goalies.

[@mikepech6822]

Leafs needs Trudeau in the net. That a hole blocks or deflects anything thrown or fired at him.

[@RobTalksHockey]

Hahaha

[@canadianrage5224]

He’d finally be good at something

[@bunsw2070]

And Chrystia Freeland as coach.

[@carsonsousa9019]

This video was an insane demko highlight reel. Guy is nuts

[@ChaosSpike17]

Something’s changed for sure. Look back in the late 90s to early 2000’s there was several elite goalies around broduer, Belfour, cujo, osgood, hasek for a little, Theodore was decent at times, voukon, boulin wall missing a lot but you get the point. These guys could win a ton of games and stand out names. Today there’s a small handful and teams are being beat like 7-10 GA at times frequently.

[@leafsfanforever2896]

So far, the goaltenders having great seasons include: - Connor Ingram (Arizona) - Jeremy Swayman & Linus Ullmark (Boston) - Cam Talbot (Los Angeles) - Ilya Sorokin (Islanders) - Jonathan Quick (Rangers) - Carter Hart (Philadelphia) - Thatcher Demko (Vancouver) - Adin Hill (Vegas) - Connor Hellebuyck (Winnipeg)

[@RemetherGaming]

Monty on the habs has been having a good season so far.

[@leafsfanforever2896]

@@RemetherGaming I said great not good. Which can be arbitrary and highly subjective, anyways

[@gogolplex74]

Varlamov was better than Sorokin

[@seamusoleary3712]

Goaltending is the main reason the Canucks have the most pts in the NHL right now... they are out shot most games and still get points... case in point, the last game in Dallas, they were seriously out shot and game out of it with a point... they almost won if not for missing a two on zero break, which was saved by the Dallas goalie.

[@rolfstuh]

But what shoots does vancouver allowing? Are there 30 shoots to an empty net. As the oponenent can outmove the defense and goalie. Or is it that the vancouver d is allowing easy alots shoots and taking away most of the big scoring chances?

[@seamusoleary3712]

@@rolfstuh they are allowing a lot of shots from the outside... not golden scoring chances...

[@ztobro]

I know he’d bring back a solid return for the Flyers rebuild - but this is exactly why I worry about us trading Hart or Errson. We have two solid goalies. Let’s keep them. 😬

[@davidarmitage289]

Exactly! We have not had a solid goalie since Hexy! We MUST keep them!

[@PeteNice29]

Hart's a stud. Let's hope PHI doesn't waste him like ANH has done with Gibson.

[@bodysurfsooke]

I would add one more necessity to the list. A good or elite goalie coach.

[@TractControlOff]

I'm a Devils fan and it's so true. Last year, NJ's goaltending was roughly average and the team nearly won the Metro outright. This season, like Carolina, EDM, etc., the goaltending has been a nightmare and the Devils are barely hanging in the playoff race. It's frustrating to watch. All most of these talented teams truly need a consistently average goaltending and someone to get hot in April.

[@jstuckless]

The Wild might have been underperforming earlier in the season, but not lately. They have something like 10 wins in their last 13 games.

[@Downwithlibtards]

Georgiev for the Avs is always good for 3 GA in the first 12 shots.

[@ajh5124]

Any goalie would be with the way the AVs play defense currently.

[@awesome3689]

guess were not focused on HIll for vegas seeing as hes a 3rd string goalie that won the stanley cup. also depends alot on the team infront the depth, coaching, system so much comes into play

[@brentsenior7830]

Well to be honest Joe woll is a leafs draft puck who is going to be a stud. He was playing amazingly before he got hurt. And hes young and signed to league min next year as well. Bit of gaff from the OP imo

[@rydotguy5145]

I say as a Canucks fan the goalie gods have blessed us. For the “graveyard” era we suffered through. I mean basically everything after Captain Kirk until Luongo got here. *Cloutier I think deserves credit for giving us atleast something.

[@Kvothe3]

Yes, they blessed you with The Goalie Whisperer, Ian Clarke

[@gameburn178]

The better the team, in general the easier it is for the goalie: number of high difficulty shots, likelihood of power plays, often the ability to supply a good back up goalie. That said: if you don't draft goalies, your chances of getting an elite goalie go down a great deal.

[@hockeyguy515]

I agree. I think the main issue right now is there aren’t any elite canadian goalies, which is pretty bizarre. Canada basically produces the best players at every position, however, the top goalies are ALL American and European. If there were 3-4 elite Canadian goalies you’d have a whole group of teams with better goaltending. It’s really a bizarre phenomenon. I’m not sure that there’s even a Canadian goalie that you can argue is top 10 in the nhl at the moment.

[@omfg322]

I think part of the problem is how expensive it is to be a goalie growing up and no parent wants that. When I was a kid playing hockey I saw so many kids who could be elite goalies but lived in poor families. So their talent was just wasted

[@bravepotatoe7513]

@@omfg322 huh that's an interesting tought . Is the growing costs of living in canada contributing to less goaltenders? could be a factor for sure.

[@RemetherGaming]

Montembeault on the Habs is a slept on goalie imo. He’s stolen a bunch of games this season and had a pretty decent season last year. And his stats at 5 on 5 are one of the best in the nhl.

[@owenlaukkanen]

Here for the Demko highlights. Between him and DeSmith the Canucks are in such a good spot between the pipes right now.

[@kenshey3912]

These cycles come and go. We’re currently in a stretch of wanting more scoring vs the dead puck era. As an old fart… I’ve seen these cycles many times. How many times have we seen where a team chases for a final playoff spot and takes out the number one as the playoff start. Hit hands at the right time

[@UrbanMatts]

hellebuyck has carried us to so many low scoring wins, goalies win games.

[@thenatureboy1837]

Going back to the 80's lol. How much is the team and how much is the goale when it comes to stopping the puck?

[@JohnB-mo4kq]

Not sure you can blame the Wilds record this year on goaltending. Many injuries and the 15 million dollar cap hit, isn't necessarily allowing them to field a decent team. Faber is the only healthy defenseman that shouldn't be playing in the playing in the AHL.

[@tylerbach3519]

You have The Legend of Dragoon pause menu music as your background music!!!! There is more sounds layered in but that is most definitely it.

[@Poxell91]

Thaaaaaaaaaank you for this video. Kraken fan here and I'm so sick and tired of hearing that Seattle's abysmal defense is why Philipp Grubauer gets lambasted all the time. It's not. Sure the defense is bad but so is Grubauer. And nobody wants to admit it. A goalie cannot be only as good as their defense is.

[@RainFall2112]

Grub is fine

[@kalebnolan8343]

Last year Jones was my pick over Grubauer too. Not to say Gru is bad but it seems like our defence works better without him. It’s hard to explain what I mean but it just seems the team doesn’t gel with him the same as Jones or even Daccord

[@HumanAction76]

Is it easier to draft an elite goalie or build an elite defense?

[@hunterwcl2985]

The Oilers best goalie in the last decade was 40 year old Mike Smith. Mike Smith is the only goaltender that has given them a chance to win. Signing Campbell was objectively terrible the second it happened. Leafs have the worst goalie scout ever. No idea what they're doing since they got rid of Freddie Andersen. IDK what these goalie scouts are doing, I played started hockey my Junior year of high school and can evaluate talent 50x better than they can. It's wild.

[@Vaxilion]

Cam Talbot was pretty good in Edmonton. He had an average of a .913 save percentage over his four years and a GAA of around 2.85. People say he was trash but he was literally the only person playing defense on that team for four years.

[@hunterwcl2985]

I agree with that. I forgot about that. @@Vaxilion

[@thefozzybear]

Expansion water down the goalie talent. Many goalies shouldn't be NHL goalies without seasons in the AHL.

[@Seriously_Unserious]

I think we're seeing a change of eras. from the mid 90s through to 2020, we've been spoiled with elite goalies, so many that they were a dime a dozen and it was just expected that every team would have AT LEAST ONE, and only the bottom feeders would be lacking an elite goalie. During the late 2010s on, I've been noticing more elite goalies have been fading and retiring out then have been developing into that class. I think what we're seeing is decades of dead puck defense resulting in a lack of chances for goalies to develop that elite skill we've seen in the past, which is leading to an explosion of goals as those skilled players are finally able to get the puck in the net rather then getting stoned time after time. Of course, when elite goalies are so common, that also forces dead puck play styles as no team can afford to risk blowing that 1-0 lead, nor can the team that fell behind afford to risk the gap widening to 2-0. So teams have to play it cautious, as taking risks will rarely pay off as the goalie will be almost sure to make the save, no matter how difficult the shot is, which leads to defensive skills outpacing offensive, and merely good goalies looking elite in the face of a lack of shooters to challenge them, which leads to the lack of goals compounding, until goalie skill starts to fall off due to lack of being tested by elite players like Alexander Mogiliny, Temu Selanne, Wayne Greatzky, Paul Coffey, Al MacInnis, Denis Savard, Brett Hull, Steve Yzerman, Joe Sakic, and the list goes on and on. By the end of the 90s it was the list of elite goalies who could single handedly steal a game that went on and on, and the list of gamebreakers who could outscore anything dwindled as the ones of yesteryear faced out and retired, and the new players just didn't have that same level of skill. Now we're seeing that trend reverse itself as a lack of skilled shooters led to a lack of skilled goalies and that's led to goals happening, which inspires players to start testing their skills and getting more creative, being more willing to activate and take risks more likely to pay off and result in a goal, and the more goals that happen, the more teams feel pressured to press and take risks to get at least 3 or 4, knowing anything less and they'll probably lose as the other team can outscore them. That gets demoralizing on the goalies and leads to the good goalies getting shaky at times, and underperforming, and even elite or solid goalies a little off (due to either slump or injury) getting exposed and shaken up, like what happened to Thatcher Demco last season.

[@user-td1od9ev9b]

As a bruins fan i agree with this. Im hoping bostin actually moves a goalie cause were lacking in picks. We are deep in goaltending even in minor leagues

[@HeavyDanger]

We can blame goalies all we want but NHL offence is becoming positionless. Never seen defencemen below the hashmarks so often in my life. postional "Zone" defence is going to struggle. It's almost becoming like basketball.

[@VicVergalito]

Rough being a lot of team's fans these days with the brutal defense and goaltending

[@junish6276]

People has been asking for more goals in the nhl forever, now there is more goal and we have a goalie problem??

[@neiltylerd]

As a Winnipeg resident and fan, I'm feeling especially lucky.

[@rexstuff4655]

Pretty sure this should actually be titled "The LEAFS have a big goalie problem"

[@Thatscrazy92]

Nothing really more valuable in hockey than a goalie catching fire during a playoff run.

[@markcapestro5390]

I'm a Blues fan so I'll use them as an example. In 2019, the whole team played defense. They had no problem playing this style either. Game 7 they spent around 12 mins straight in their own end without letting up a goal. Then Doug Armstrong decided the Blues needed to be more like a cheap version of Toronto... offensive focused. He got rid of the grit starting w Joel Edmundson for Justin Faulk (🤮). He let Pietrangelo walk and signed a complete bust in Tory Krug. Alex practically begged to stay, but Armstrong wanted a less talented player to save a few bucks and 1 year of a contract. He sent O'Reilly packing... a good defensive center... but signed a +/- -38 Jordan Kyrou for $8M+/year for 8 years. He literally doesn't know how to play defense. Armstrong just traded fan favorite Robert Bortuzzo to the Islanders. Playing Dallas last year, he played a PK against Dallas for the last 2 mins of the game and a Dallas empty net - essentially 6 on 4. He killed this penalty without a stick. The Blues couldn't clear the zone and Robert got puck after puck blasted off of him. It was insane what he was blocking. Then there is Colton Parayko and he shields the goalie more than the opponents do. He's terrible. It's clear why the Blues now suck. They stopped w defense. So in summary, defense is no longer something teams care about. But the teams who do, actually win. Defense needs to come back to STL.

[@pennyd.3651]

There really isn't a goalie problem. The issue has entirely been defensive schemes, lack of effort, and really trash defensive lines. Look at the leafs and the oilers both, both teams have beyond trash goalie performances... It's been because their defense not due to the goalie. You need to have good defense to keep the puck outta net. (Just look at Vegas and their goalies.)

[@NoobNoonan-kc9fn]

2nd was lucky but Matthews didnt cover the front of the net and was standing still. 3rd was a big mistake on Marner ,4th was a screened 5 on 3, 5th Tage used dman as a screen,6th was a beauty shorthanded,7th was McCabe and the goalies fault,8th showed everyone the leafs like to stand around and puck watch,9th was another stand around goal. The goalie has some of the blame, but the team doesn't know how to play detail orientated hockey. Look at the effort expended in the offensive zone and then look at the lack of effort defending. Boston always has goalies with inflated stats because the team makes them look good. Look at the Canucks. Both goalies are looking pretty good and they both have great stats. If you took De Smith and put him on the Leafs he would probably have a .895 save % and Demko wouldn't be that far ahead of him. The Leafs need to play a more structured game, they need some more depth on the backend and they need to maybe think about drafting goalies that have more potential to make impacts in the league. When's the last time they used a first or a second on a goalie. Is it measured in decades ?

[@maxosaurs7487]

Carolina’s looking better rn. Kochetkov is 3-0-2 with a .949(In his past 5) But the canes still need a backup.

[@FalloutUrMum]

The Leafs have a bad night: "The Entire NHL had a bad night last night!"

[@RobTalksHockey]

Toronto's bad night sums up a lot of teams this season.

[@yoongitothemoon588]

Teams either have to keep it safe and keep their structures up and merely play toss with the puck, or they have to take chances which allows break aways and opposition to get into the slot. As every single NHL team evolves to be on their A game every single night, there's going to be more notice on the smaller weaknesses of players. Goaltending isn't just a one man job but it has to rely on a good defensive structure first. These structures rely heavily on an individual players eye for "hockey sense" and can't be taught during a season where they have no practice for these issues outside of games

[@sharkyy9037]

This is why I’m glad we nabbed Gajan, got potential there alongside Mrazek. Actively trying to improve and draft goalies. But this new goalie problem is definitely due to the NHL trying to avoid low scoring games with more hooking calls and stuff. Plus the new era of goalies with lack of experience in the current moment.

[@BlackHatAndy]

How you didn't mention the Red wings at the beginning is astounding lol Our goaltending is an absolute dumpsterfire. I can't tell the difference between our FOURTH string goalie who played 153 total games at age 33 vs, Husso our starting goaltender! In fact, I'd have picked him over Husso lol

[@Thrashman-ye4cf]

It’s not all the goaltending. Our D has been very streaky too. Can’t expect tendies to look great when your D leaves you out to dry half the time. Also, we panic and start playing too conservative when we have a lead, which leads to longer time on attack, which leads to your goalie and D getting tired and letting in goals lol.

[@steverobinson8771]

I'd give anything to have Demko, Oettinger or Shesterkin at Jersey!

[@johnpauldekeyzer8899]

my detroit red wings have the same goalie issues

[@maxskogh6289]

In devil's I'd say it falls on the defence. As Vanachek had a great season last year with Schmidt having a great playoff run last year. But this year both are struggling. Mainly struggling since the def aren't there so as such they have let in a lot and the confidence dropped. But considering last year, I still believe both can grow into elites. They are inexperienced and are lacking that great mentor you mentioned for the current goalie stars.

[@niklaskristiansson2740]

Is this background sound from the game 007 goldeneye?

[@Seets]

Surprised there was no talk about the Rangers with Shesterkin and Quick, and their decent defense

[@c.s.s.5326]

The Igor-Lundy relationship at one point was a triangle that also gave birth to Colorado’s current G1 in Georgiev!

[@OneTapKap]

so many changes to goalies and pad sizes, to pad depth, glove and blocker sizes.... to allow juicer rebounds and more goals. this is the affect of a decade of MAKING the goalie position the hardest to play...

[@greiginvietnam]

I think the leafs threw all their future marbles in with Gareth Sparks, then Ian Scott and Woll. Sparks was surprisingly a huge dud, Scott had to retire and Woll is injured all the time. Leafs have some good kids in their depths, but by the time theyre ready Mathews, Nylander and Mitch will be playing for other teams.

[@spencera3075]

I don’t see players with heads on swivels anymore, goalies are now asked to play in the blue paint to help with passes across the middle, and no one knows how to position themselves to clear rebounds anymore. It isn’t just a skill problem. It’s a system/skills problem.

[@canadianbacon2205]

theres also another type of team that has deep playoff runs: average goaltending, average defense, and above average offense. prime example: the stars

[@classic.cameras]

To be fair to the Oilers they did try to rebuild with Cam Talbot. A goalie they gave up on way to soon.

[@chrislaverick6413]

This video just makes me even more sad for Carey price that Montreal couldn’t do it for him, if Montreal didn’t have carry price, they would’ve been a dumpster fire for the last 15 seasons

[@panofnbr]

for the leafs, isn’t Woll being mentioned by jones

[@jakegaubatz]

To me it feels like there might be really good goaltenders out there, but teams prefer past resumes and experience. Look at many of the goaltenders around the league and I'd say a good chunk of them weren't drafted...just plucked from the AHL or OHL or overseas leagues. I also think coaches these days have strategies to make goaltenders look better than they are (Georgiev, Grubauer, Kuemper, Mike Smith, Binnington, etc etc). Then when they change teams or have defensive players leave, they are definitely more exposed on their flaws. Anyone who would take an Islanders, Rangers, Predators, or Kings goalie are taking a big risk those goalies can carry a team when in fact that can't.

[@buffystclair9042]

You cant put all the blame on the goalies the Leafs have had since 1967 when they last had one that could stop enough to get the big prize home. Toronto has had many top goalies since then ,Joesph for one and Don Cherry’s favourite of late , Anderson . More then half the blame lies on the defence, they simply allow too many shots get to the net. Management can claim 30% or more blame , the rest you might be able to blame the goalkeeper for.

[@antoucool]

Meanwhile, as a Habs fan. Goalie problems, what are those? We have too many good ones right now lol

[@VideosNoOne]

The problem with drafting goalies is that it takes years to develop them into NHL starters (of course generational talents are different but rare). So goalies should the be considered early in a rebuild. However, playing a talented prospect goalie in front of a terrible rebuilding team can destroy the development.

[@JmssBraendle]

a lot of sports deal with this, when kids grow up they want to score not defend, making offence get better than the defence

[@HANDLE4798]

my guy is talking about IGOR but is showing a picture of Giorgiev and Lundqvist LOL

[@saifonlawrence2044]

The Oiler goalies would not crack the lineup on an elite gradeschool ringette team.

[@fujikokun]

Agree

[@Stalfoes]

This is totally holding Edmonton back. We have zero veteran presence and our goalie development sucks in general. It's a wonder that our goalie coach didn't get sacked instead of Woodcroft. Holland is also just a terrible manager, so there's also that factor.

[@coryhimmelspach1101]

I was okay with the woodcroft firing just would have liked to see the goalie coach go with him

[@LyonHall1]

Our goalie coach has like insider knowledge on Katz that prevents him from getting fired

[@UrbanMatts]

I think you guys have the worst goaltending in the league right now. I would say Carolina but they sent rants to the A and kochetkov has stepped up.

[@vlisto3712]

​@@UrbanMattsI'm an Oilers fan but I have to agree. Skinner is bottom 10 out of 80 goalies in saves above expected per 60, and he's been our number 1. He has by far the most games played of any goalie this low on the list. Campbell was unplayably bad before he was sent down. Pickard has the smallest sample size but has so far been the best at 27th out of 80 for the same stat. The only glimmer of hope is in 23 year old Olivier Rodrigue, and he's quite undersized for there to be much chance that his great AHL numbers will translate to the NHL. Shesterkin is the only goalie that short that has been elite in recent memory to my knowledge.

[@UrbanMatts]

@@vlisto3712 I would love to see the oilers with an elite goalie they would be a WAGON.

[@hockeyme3113]

You missed the red wings' goaltending. They have to have the 2nd most goals for just to be a wildcard team

[@EmailBacon]

Defense is more important than offense. If you only score 1 goal but give up 0, that’s a higher chance of winning than scoring 3 and giving up maybe 3 or 4. It’s an unrealistic example but you get my point