THERE'S A THIRD BROTHER? | Supernatural - 4x19 "Jump the Shark" reaction

[@vinster0937]

I think it's really cool that John, after what happened with Sam and Dean, made sure he didn't make the same mistake with Adam, he regrets the way he raised the boys, even though he knew it was necessary, it's just a shame that Adam died because John didn't prepare him for what was in the darkness, if he hadn't raised Sam and Dean to be hunters they could have ended up like him.

[@latinaangel38]

I was shocked and livid when I found out Sam and Dean had a younger half brother. When John found out Adam existed Sam was in his first year of Stanford. So that makes Dean 11 years and Sam 7 years older than Adam. I believe their dad could’ve raise the boys as hunters and gave them fun family bonding time. But John was too obsessed with hunting and killing the yellow eyed demon that killed Mary instead of focusing on being a good father.

[@rose_mnor]

John did the best for his kids as he possibly could in that situation, they were the only options that he could think of to protect and save their lives for what was coming. He had no choice but to go into hunting life to educate and train himself, as he knew his family had been targeted since day one. In the universe they live in, the boys need to be strong and fight monsters, demons, and whatever else, esp considering what was planned for Sam. I would think any parent in that world, in those conditions with that info, would choose the same course of action. It is better to harden your kids to fight and survive than let them dangle and flounder until their deaths or worse, like Adam. Fandom projected their fantastical universe onto our reality which we weren't supposed to in the first place. The demons definitely wouldn't have packed up and gone home if John stayed home with them. And John as a hunter would think that he could be killed off at any time and then where would his kids be if they were not trained to take care of themselves since young, which was why I would think John left Dean alone multiple times so that he would know what to do if John died unexpectedly. Jess was killed because Sam wanted to give up hunting. As Azazel said, he wanted Sam honed and ready. He had demon blood, just like the other children did, and they were all abducted and taken to that abandoned town. So, even if John could give them the life everyone complains about and accuses John of taking away from them, Sam would have one day woken up in that town, none the wiser to anything. He probably would have been killed or turned dark side because he was ill-equipped both knowledge-wise and experience-wise in fighting against supernatural forces. Without John's training, Sam would have not made it. John had made terrible decisions and actions based on impossible situations of which they were just simply not fair to be judged, as those were supposed to serve a narrative purpose to begin with. He did everything he could at that time but the narratives were simply against him. The choices that he made most times led to terrible consequences as the narratives unfolded, just what the mechanism of stories was supposed to do - to drive the plot forward ... We as viewers had to put those specific actions and reactions in the context of the series, of which there was no established playbook that could be used as guidance for the protagonist at that point in time. As an aside, you have to throw away whatever sympathetic story that ghoul!Adam said in the episode about his and John's relationship because that emotionally driven narrative of John as a loving long-distant father to Adam that was related to us was not by the actual!Adam, so throw away your emotional connection to the Adam in the episode.

[@asaashara2592]

Sam and Dean would have been well into their 20's by the time John found out about Adam

[@tigerpinky]

Great episode! Sad that the monster already got Adam tho. I agree about the vent scene being claustophobic, it bothers me too and when I think about how does he get out it makes it even worse. Ugh some of my least favorite scenes. I try not to get into the whole John as a father stuff, I just deal with the small bits we get the brothers bring enough drama for me,lol.

[@JustJayylj]

In Johns defence: remember to breathe before reading. The hunter life is a lonely one, imagine being on the road saving people hunting things (the family business) your only company is two adolescent boys right? and a beautiful, grateful, blonde woman comes along who’s grateful for you doing your job, he’s only human. There are no what would JW do keychains coz he’d bang it and come back once a year and take you out to a baseball game (at least he had that memory) he could still be at the store getting milk since 1993 😅

[@danielsalazar112]

It would make sense that John would go to Adam 7 yrs ago. Sam was in Stanford and he wasn't controlling Sam. So he went to Adam. He wanted a normal relationship with 1 of his sons. Yeah it tracks. Feel bad for Adam and his mom but they are cursed

[@BriSand1993]

John wasn't really there in Adam's life more than in Sam and Dean's. John had a one night stand with a random woman and didn't find out about the kid until he was twelve years old, if you do the math he was born in 1990 which means he was 12 in 2002 when John first met him. Adam then preceded to say John would swing by once a year and take him to a ball game and the most recent picture was from 2004 meaning John only met the kid twice after their first encounter because we know 2005 when the show debuted is when John picked up the trail of the yellow eyed demon and started his quest. So no John wasn't leaving Sam and Dean alone and running off to see Adam in secret because Sam and Dean were young adults by the time John even found out about him. John is not solely responsible for the terrible lives they all lead, remember Mary kept her true self a secret from him and indirectly cursed her own son by offering him up to yellow eyes to bring John back to life then left him with the burden of the unknown after she died. The reason they're even targeted is because of Mary's deal more than any enemies John ever made hunting; she hid the truth and her husband and sons paid for it. It's easy to say what would have been the right thing to do by the boys but remember John was suffering trauma as well after her death and he had to seek the answers about what happened all on his own which couldn't have been easy with a four year old and a baby now without their mother. If John had chosen to raise them normal and sheltered they would not have had the survival instincts to protect themselves from the demons that would eventually come for Sam, just look what happened to Adam because John chose to keep him ignorant. John wasn't a good father but it's only thanks to the grueling methods in how he raised Sam and Dean that they're still around. It's sad to say but Adam is nothing to John like how you viewed the episode because meeting a kid once a year for his birthday isn't treating him better than the other two which he still hauled everywhere with him throughout their young lives, you get the sense that John probably only went to meet him to confirm the truth and once he did proceeded to see him whenever he could most likely out of obligation by Adam's mother.