Part 2 - Our Thoughts on the Docuseries 'Surviving R. Kelly'

Real fam, have you seen the docuseries “Surviving R. Kelly”? Share your thoughts in the comments!

[@Itskerenojo]

She was about to say ‘that’s like saying all lives matter’ ☕️

[@naturallynnodi4512]

Keren Ojo And that’s Tea !!! She definitely was...and I’m so glad Adrienne stood up for what she believed in. Yes women are getting violated all over the world but we are discussing Black Women right now..

[@RocsGirl]

@@soukainagb111 Lizzette isn't "black" so I guess her life didn't matter. like they totally ignored that she was in the documentary. I'm sure there are other victims that weren't "black" they just feel too ashamed to come forward.

[@chukie30]

Melodelfe GB and people of other races will NEVER understand what we have been through and are still going through. I’m not one to just jump on the it’s racial in every situation however, sometimes it is what it is...

[@naturallynnodi4512]

Melodelfe GB I understand that. Everyone that was affiliated with him needs to be put UNDER the jail. Everyone is at fault....BUT! You also have to ask yourself this question: Why is that whenever there are Blacks going through turmoil, where are our “allies” having our backs? We’re not saying that we have it worse than any other race, but it’s pretty convenient that we are the only race where all of our sufferings is not taken seriously. All these years with BOLO, and Amber Alerts have you heard of any discussing a black child missing? But they will drag out a John-Benet case, or bring attention to two white gurls trapped in a basement...Even one of the jurors admitted/stated that he disregarded everything these girls said on the stand. EVERYTHING sis.

[@iheartunibrows]

I totally agree with Adrienne's point. Women of colour suffer the most in these situations but yes, all women do suffer. But that's a given, we've already established that. Racism still exists and so in this situation, we're dealing with not one but two huge issues, women's basic rights and racism. Women of colour are still treated like weak animals, I see it every day.

[@ismahanm1118]

Black women are the most unprotected!! Preach Adrienne!!

[@Tan87ful]

Ismahan M exactly

[@gonaedeath2]

Nah. Native American women are.

[@katarina1292]

@@gonaedeath2 This isn't a competition. Both Black and Native american women are the most unprotected women in north america

[@kellyj1036]

oh be quiet. here goes another one.

[@gonaedeath2]

@yo soy caribeña Neither is black if we get technical. Most "blacks" in the US Are mixed.

[@BeautyAndFaith]

If you are reading this! You are beautiful inside and out. Don’t ever let your voice be silenced. #YouMatterToo

[@Mochitasmom]

BeautyAndFaith thank you so much!!! You are beautiful too!! ❤️

[@BeautyAndFaith]

Claudia Navarro You’re welcome 🤗 Thank you too 🙏🏾

[@destineyuzaka2113]

Thank you! You’re beautiful and matter too!! 💕🤗

[@ItsJasDarling]

Thank you I needed this! Never forget your worth and beauty ❤️

[@a.d.w8385]

Thank you. You matter as well.

[@gisellem1705]

Adrienne is right and Jeannie tried to make it “not a racial thing” but it is.

[@aboutyounme1137]

Giselle Marie agreed. Racism is alive, healthy and well

[@pejicaa]

Adrienne is 100% right ! If Rkelly would of held captive a blonde blue eyed woman then the swat team would of been there .

[@Dina19929]

I agree with them both. Women in general are not believed, they’re instead called sluts or whores or she asked for it. But yes, if this were a white woman, hell would’ve been raised so it’s both.

[@vulcan2050ful]

jeannie seems to do that a lot.

[@13bullshit]

Jeannie has always been like that.

[@privacywanted434]

The problem with the "everyone gets disrespected" is that not everyone gets help. These women, these black women, need help and they need justice. They need people who are going to step up for them and that's not happening. You can say all women all you want to but they're not getting justice because the victims are black. Instead of ignoring it, let's honor it and get them some help.

[@deandraowens7936]

PREACH!!!!!!✊💋💖

[@jacksontenise6946]

Perfect point!!!

[@Tan87ful]

Exactly 💯💯👏🏽👏🏽

[@Amber-ss6jq]

Yes!! 👏🏼👏🏼

[@kristaelisey]

Well put. 👍

[@samanthacurry1857]

I really like Jeannie but I hate that she made this into an “all lives matters” situation. BLACK WOMEN are being abused and nothing is being done about it. That’s the issue here.

[@peanutjelly727]

How can black people continue like her when she makes comments like this? She's letting you know how she feels about you. Please recognize a racist when you see one. Just because someone loves black d*ck and black music and sits next to black people everyday at work, does not preclude her from being a racist. I feel like black people have the hardest time grasping this concept. It is entirely possible for someone to smile and grin in your face everyday, while carrying a bias against you. And it's not like this is the first time she's made comments like this either.

[@kthao685]

Uh huh..the real needs to hit the next button one her ass.. she so fake n trying to act black.. girl plzz.

[@stef5998]

Honestly in this case she’s right. Doesn’t matter what skin color you are. Many women are being sexually accused and no one does anything about it.

[@brendayoung9904]

Stef N she’s right in saying it shouldn’t matter what your skin color is, but we all know if it were white women in those circumstances, the actions taken would’ve been different. I have to agree with Adrienne on this one.

[@laurasantos4062]

Samantha Curry it’s not just black women honey. When Harvey didn’t do his time for his actions black people were upset because he is white, even though he abused white women. And now they are upset because r Kelly isn’t doing his time for abusing black women because they claim his victims don’t matter since they are black. When we can clearly see that is false. People want to make every thing about race, but sexual abuse doesn’t discriminate, and sadly the system fails most women of all colors.

[@kimberley3577]

Did Jeannie just all lives matter the situation???

[@devworlddaily]

kim berley of course she did shes that “woman of colour with a white mentality”

[@willemdee]

she did and failed.

[@meriem0710]

She wanted to feel like she's a part of the conversation LOL

[@chanyisme]

Not the first time she has done something like this. It's one of the reasons I sometimes tune Jeannie out.

[@alexarkadios9108]

devworlddaily adrienne said it

[@marquisatkins3174]

Jeannie straight but tried to All Lives matter the topic...no ma'am it would be different if it were white girls...thanks for Adrienne for actually reiterating the statement

[@kellyj1036]

oh be quiet... seriously. do you not get tired of playing victim ALL the damn time...

[@flutterby8462]

marquis atkins MiCa Love no Jeannie was correct. Is Weinstein in jail? Is Kevin spacey? Nope not him either. James toback? Nope. I could go on but I’m sure you get my point. It’s not about race. It’s about men in power getting away with disgusting behaviour because they have money.you don’t here “white women” or any other race saying oh it’s because we’re white that’s why their abusers are walking around free. No I’m sorry. There are so many rich men who are yet to be put in jail for their actions and it’s not because of the colour of the women accusing them its because of who they are and the status they have.

[@makreviews2146]

@@flutterby8462 Very much missing the point. It is true that men in power get away with this regardless of the color of their victim's skin. But notice that when the Weinstein and Kevin Spacey accusations came out there was a quick backlash against both and the victims were believed easily. Not to mention both were charged with crimes quickly as well. It is a verifiable fact that the victims of R'Kelly have not been believed for years. But the issue here is these stories about R. Kelly have been around for over 20 years. And many people did not believe the accusers, called them "fast" and "sluts" and joked about the video where R. Kelly is urinating in a girl's mouth. On the docuseries, one of the jurors in his trial said just that he didn't believe them for these reasons. Why were these girls and women not believed for years? Why did people even after knowing about this man marrying Aaliyah when she was 14 and seeing this man do that heinous act still listen to and support his music? We live in a country where there are privileges and the color of one's skin and socio-economic status allows some to be believed and valued more than others because of stereotypes. Chance the rapper just said he realizes he didn't believe the accusers because they were black women. These women were not believed for years and it's partly because as black girls it was assumed that they were lying, "fast" and trying to bring R. Kelly down because of stereotypes placed on them by society. Again, women of other races are sometimes not believed but not for the same reasons and not at the same rate. Our society socializes us to not see privilege and disadvantage because it is not spoken outrightly but that doesn't mean it's not there. The evidence is clear.

[@stef5998]

No. It doesn’t matter what color you are. Women who are sexually abused don’t get any help, they’re labeled liars no matter what race. Period

[@florocea.k6392]

Bullshit stop acting liek the victim and stand up for what’s right stop crying about ur color,

[@courtney1427]

Jeannie is usually so level headed but she is beyond ignorant during this segment. Like we are talking about RK right now like stop bringing up other people.

[@doransblade3987]

Courtney Williams when it comes to most racial things I think she has this particular stand point. When they were talking about makeup artists partaking in black face her words were similar. Saying that the darker makeup is a form of art

[@dammee]

Jeannie is ignorant about racism which is probably why she married Freddie.

[@chukie30]

Courtney Williams people have the tendency to deflect and make everything all inclusive when it comes to racial issues and that what Jeannie seems to do when this topic is discussed

[@MsRose00]

I have heard Jeannie acknowledge racism, but is also think because she does things overseas, she was looking at it as a more broad matter. However, this is definitely an issue of color because if blonde haired, blue eyed, Britney or Addison was in that studio, the police would have been knocking down the door. Also, keep in mind that R Kelly was ran out of Atlanta, but his name was gospel for so long in parts of Chicago. R Kelly has people inside the police dept who call ahead of time and warn him, according to what was said in the doc. There is a reason he continues to keep his base there...that’s where he is protected.

[@ismahanm1118]

I love Jeannie and how wise she is but when it comes to topics about racism she misses the point. Like she love her some black men and “ratchet music” but is silent about racism. I mean it could be that she does lack understanding but it is frustrating.

[@Amberrechelle]

Jeanie .........seee just because a person of color doesn’t mean they understand the issues of black people.

[@Amberrechelle]

Darnelly Daniels right I hate that it’s like that .. but it is ..

[@quasez54]

This is why I cringe when I see people screaming "get your black king" to Jeannie. She sits up there twisting her neck and using black vernacular but cant even for a second stop to understand black WOMENS issues. But will lust after and fetishize black MEN. Sickening. Black girls matter.

[@chukie30]

Amber Rechellè Polk yes, if I see one more comment...“I’m a person of color”....being a person of color doesn’t mean you understand our plight.

[@mimi-om6dj]

The issue here is that it come from the black people. I'm so tired of hearing people say that because it's about black girls so white folks don't care. If you think that you are delusional . R Kelly was under investigation once but the only victim who could have put him jail denied everything for money. It was a black girl with a black family. So saying that justice doesn't work and if it was white girls he would be in jail is really stupid. Think about it, if justice was still investigated R Kelly after the girl denied everything ( no more proof in this case ) a lot of black people would be in their feelings saying that because it's a black men justice isn't equal , poor him white people are evil , always chasing the good black etc... Those black parents who let their girls in this situation despite the allegations THAT is the problem. The parents of the girls who denied the allegations for money THAT is the problem. Moreover if we are honest with ourselves , we have to say that in the black community we have a huge problem with molestation. Think about the amount of black celebrity that have been abused what it is for regular black people ? We need to ask those issues with our eyes open and don't hide behind " white privilege"thing. Because the people saying that justice doesn't care about putting black abusers in prison are the same saying that justice is less strict when in comes to black abusers when this people are found guilty. Yes I think about Cosby. The number of people saying that because he is black it's was too easy for the justice to put him in jail but what about Harvey Weinstein. Don't forget that it take SO much time for Cosby to be found guilty, regular people ( not the industry) new it for long times while Weinstein 's affairs are new to regular people ( not the industry). Plus even after the documentary I STILL see comments from BLACK people defending R Kelly , women and men .

[@dcapri92]

Exactly, black women are the most disrespected and underappreciated race, simply being a person of color does not mean you can relate or understand what that feels like.

[@pearlsglimmers]

Thank you so much Adrienne for never being afraid to speak the truth ❤️

[@rebeccalove2065]

“ I don’t know if it’s a colour thing” girl bye Jeannie 😐

[@swiggs_7]

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[@TheMoonShining]

I'm surprised; Jeannie usually has more tact than this.

[@BriaBarrows]

She was off this day, i could tell

[@melaniesalazar5965]

Yes if they were white victims they would’ve had RKellys ass ASAP BUT how many in the black community would bash those white victims for coming after their own? I feel like it would’ve been like the OJ trial era-especially when I see those in the black community speaking in support of RKelly (then and now) the bigger point is- we need to do better for all girls/women who find themselves at the hands of a predator, but especially black girls/women

[@Tan87ful]

Melanie Salazar good point

[@bossytweed6664]

Except what R. Kelly did was on camera and the OJ case was during a time when racial tensions were extremely high in LA and that case completely soiled by racist LAPD making a mess of things trying to force a guilty verdict. The circumstances are fairly different.

[@laurenjackson2810]

Jeanie Mai has officially rubbed me the wrong way. I watched a video on all of the dismissive & flat out racist things Jeanie has said about Black women & Black men, on this show. I was completely unaware of this until a KZbind pointed things out (with receipts). Jeanie fetishizing Black men & saying “White keeps me right” in regards to how she loves Black men “on the side” but prefers the superiority of white men. Her comparing women profiting off of making themselves appear Black, to Patrick Starr (a man) wearing makeup. & now this... every time there’s an inside regarding Black people or Black women, watch Jeanie immediately become dismissive. I’m very disappointed, but it’s always the ones that you think that are so “cool” & “down” because they try to use Black lingo to seem down, but deep down have colorist & racist views. I’m FINALLY starting to understand why Loni appears bored or annoyed often, because she knows these women behind the scenes...

[@swiggs_7]

You must be referring to Paris Milan....

[@tanisha.r.thomas]

Who is jennie may to even care that deeply? She is on a talk show...she has no credibility....her words mean nothing to anyone

[@trinigrl09]

@@tanisha.r.thomas Jeanie Mai WAS A VICTIM OF CHILD RAPE//MOLESTATION BY A FAMILY MEMBER .....THAT IS WHY SHE CARES SO DEEPLY.....NOT THAT A PERSON SHOULD EVEN NEED A REASON TO CARE ABOUT MOLESTATION AND RAPE VICTIMS..... .....She has talked about HER EXPERIENCE on the Real before........People are a trip.....they criticize people for not carrying about black women and criticize them when they do.........I have never heard Jeannie say anything negative about black women or the black community in general......She's always been supportive of us........

[@Tifbunny]

Yasss honey I totally agree with you I just watched that clip here on KZbin and Jeannie is a weirdo to me so you rather have a white husband and be seen with one but super adore black men on the side? She makes no sense and I always notice loni and tamera cutting their eyes at her or making an eye-lock across the table with eachother as if they're just tired of Jeannie. Firstly Jeannie talks too much and doesn't always makes any sense I rather they bring Tamar back at least she kept it real or called them out whenever she felt they weren't keeping it "REAL"

[@indiamarie2952]

Fr Jeannie is mad annoying

[@jchidi]

The problem with this is that we say nobody cares about those black girls but the truth is BLACK PEOPLE don’t care about those black girls. We hear something as disgusting as this and yet there’s still black people streaming his music and saying things like “separate the art from the artist” and to take it a step further, the parents of those victims would rather be paid off by R Kelly’s staff than to stand up and do something about it!! Don’t make this a race thing if as black people you’re not even willing to be front and center fighting for your own damn race!

[@MajesticMyronn]

J e n BOOM !!!

[@DarienHernandez]

J e n well said.

[@SmoothOpe_]

This is so sad but true.

[@jchidi]

Monique I did watch the documentary. I also watched the mother of the 14 year old victim in the sex tape lie on the stand and say that wasn’t her daughter in the tape, which could have changed everything! I also watched people in his close circle and his management watch every foul thing R Kelly has ever done with a closed lip if there was a check involved (including some of the victims). I stand by what i said. Black people have to do better. Stop waiting for a “white girl” to come get harassed before you feel you have enough power to do anything. It starts with boycotting his music, cancelling his entire career, taking this to the police. I’ve lost count as to how many interviews and books that have surfaced “exposing” R Kelly, but i can’t count a single police report! That says a lot. Now more than ever, it’s time for black people to unite as a whole and do something to stop all this! We can play “what if the victims were white” all day! That won’t change anything.

[@jchidi]

R Kelly is obviously a very powerful man. How do i know this? Because just as you said, this has been going on for decades and the most the victims have done is hold interviews and write books. A lot of the victims parents basically sold their child’s soul to R Kelly in hopes for fame and wealth. That’s black parents for ya. I’m all for people telling their story but is that where it ends? Or was that simply an act of desperation to keep the checks rolling in. And what exactly have black people done to punish this man? That was the entire point of the documentary, they were all too scared to do anything! They felt powerless and possibly didn’t have the resources. That being said, it’s up to the general population to first off BELIEVE the victims stories and second, help do something about it. Muting R Kelly is simply scratching the surface. Instead of fighting for justice you have people still streaming and downloading this mans music. Since we’re talking about race, do you know how many black people to this very day still believe R Kelly is innocent. And there’s just as many people that know he did it, and don’t care. They may not make up the vast majority, but the point is there are way too many black people with this sick mentality and THAT, in part, is why this man still walks free today.

[@ahrianamelvin]

completely random but I hope tam is okay. 😩

[@Niki91-HR]

It depends...her grandmother passed away...

[@tandreasellers7683]

Typically I rock with Jeannie but I can’t today... Adrienne you are right! And you should’ve hit her with the all lives matter comparison... all shade no tea. Yes women of all colors are mistreated BUT black women are being ignored with no care

[@cecebaz6227]

I love RKelly music I’ll never stop listening to his music

[@jaffiepeters1337]

CeCe baz. I am still going to to listening to rkelly music

[@bookbag6432]

I did not watch the documentary but I know R-Kelly. I'm young (25) but not that young to not know that he married a teenagers and rumors have been going about him. I don't know what sane parent or what sane adult would let their kids go to him and I'm still shocked that he has women with him or supporting him today but SOMEONE needs to file charges.

[@moomoocachoo9025]

To be fair to Jeannie, she works with trafficked victims and they come in all different places. So I get why she doesn't want to just say it's a race issue when she's seen people from different races getting abused.

[@cosmicdust1111]

Ze Moch exactly

[@adrixo9274]

Its true people of all races get abused that's not up for debate. The issues is that the person who abuses white people are more likely to be punished than those who abuse people of color, society questions the victims, and somehow finds excuses to minimize the pain of minorities

[@MrChaseBlue]

@@adrixo9274 Weinstein's crimes for example have only come to life now. R. Kelly was tried and acquitted. I don't understand how this is a race issue.

[@iheartunibrows]

Yes, I'm sure she's well aware of the actual statistics but I think in this case, race definitely played a large role.

[@peanutjelly727]

@@MrChaseBlue This is a race issue because it's been going on in the black community disproportionately, particularly violence against black women. If you look at the statistics, black women make up a small percentage of the population, but over 50% of death by domestic violence cases. You can't look at those numbers and say it's not a race issue.

[@cindychelsea]

Gwarn Adrienne... she knew!!! Jeanie eas basically arguing the all live matter and Adrienne was so close to saying but just let it slide.

[@IsobelEgbarin]

Here goes Jeanie 💆🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️ somebody shut this girl up PLEASE

[@bonniem9255]

Jeannie needs to stop downplaying Black women’s struggles just because she’s Asian. It’s not fair that she always plays the “but all women get abused” song just because she always wants to be in the spotlight

[@florocea.k6392]

No it’s bc they bring up black race all the time it’s not just about black people. We had a intire movement, stfu stop acting like a victim

[@itslex5524]

I stand by black girls matter, brown girls matter but I believe ALL girls matter too.. I wish I could do something bigger to help. I was sexually assaulted on top of other abuse for 6 years by my step father and when I had the courage to speak up law enforcement did NOTHING for me. The man has a warrant for arrest but has been living freely for the last 6 years and even got married?? The justice system is trash and helps white people with money at least that’s what I’ve experienced and seen. It’s sad to live in a place where people don’t care about our children and women to fight for justice and protection. i would be dumb to not acknowledge all the women of color who have never received justice for all the years of lying in them & the pain.. I feel you on some level my sisters and I stand with you

[@rtmusicvideos431]

Jeannie needs to understand that all women are abused and violated and ignored...but black women are ignored even more.

[@Ldr11]

It‘s us, the black community, who downplayed the fact that R Kelly‘s true colors was revealed in the 90’s and we didn’t care enough to stop playing his music and call him out. We never took the grown black men that mess with young black teenage girls seriously. We seen it and minded our own business. Sorry, the black community is the ones that doesn’t care about our black girls. We are too busy worried about what the white man gonna do about it, instead of what are we gonna do to protect our black youths. The crazy thing is, if the cops can put charges on Kelly and he gets convicted, and let’s says he gets 40 yrs. There will be people in black community that will still say he got that much time because he’s black. So what? We have to stop comparing toxic white men to toxic black men. Why would we want those kinds of toxic black men back into our community, to destroy our community? Let’s fix this, black community: you see something, say something, simple.

[@Julist1010Aviation]

This is the 2nd time I hear Jeannie being ignorant towards the race topic.

[@msdri98]

right like i tried to give her a pass before but sissss

[@peanutjelly727]

@@iheartunibrows But her experiences are limited compared to what's actually going on out there in the world. I have zero respect for people who are willfully ignorant, especially someone who makes a living on a show that celebrates diversity. Remember when Adrienne went in on her for hosting a beauty pageant owned by Trump after he made those ignorant statements about Latinos? The whole cast went in on her on social media until she was pressured to drop out. She has zero integrity. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

[@vivianev6287]

@@peanutjelly727 When was this? And do you mean they all made IG posts about it or...?

[@ismahanm1118]

Where is Tamar when you need her??

[@Minzies2]

Ismahan M she would’ve gave Jeannie that side eye she well deserves for that stupid comment I love Jeannie but she’s being ignorant especially as a women of colour she should know better

[@blkangelflame]

We don't need her.

[@deandraowens7936]

Tam has NEVER stood up on black issues she probably would have sided with Jeannie. Thank you Adreian for being real about it. She almost said don't all lives matter the situation.

[@purplepancakespink]

@@deandraowens7936 they meant Tamar Braxton who used to be a host, not Tamera

[@deandraowens7936]

@@purplepancakespink you right my fault

[@Adam1Alyn]

Jeannie deals a lot with human trafficking among young women, so maybe that's the perspective she's seeing it from. Nevertheless, black girls are the center of this story and focus should stay on them.

[@theglowup9623]

But its also not the first time she has undermined the role of race. She said black face was a form of artistic expression

[@Adam1Alyn]

@@theglowup9623 Very true. They all have ill-informed moments like this

[@nfvy8111]

Fadzaai C you’re totally taking her comment out of context.

[@selena81500]

nfvy lmao she totally is

[@coillest8628]

The first time (in a LOOOONG time) I have to agree with Adrienne against Jeannie and say this DEF a racial thing!

[@ariellehermanson4469]

Jeannie, please this isn't your place. You're wrong. Period.

[@nfvy8111]

Arielle Hermanson Jeannie literally works with female trafficking victims on the regular so how is this not her place

[@ariellehermanson4469]

@@nfvy8111 i said what i said.

[@jamiejameskingofgames4648]

Arielle Hermanson what you said is wrong.

[@melanienorman421]

Jeannie is pressed.

[@Missblonderose]

At the same time I separate his art versus his personal life. I still love his music period!!

[@chukie30]

Yes, Adrienne...I agree a 100 percent

[@laurenjackson2810]

Adrienne has been gaining a lot of points with me lately. Not only is she beautiful on the outside but she’s a very intelligent, insightful, & eloquent speaker. She has a lot to offer to this panel

[@annarose8913]

I know R is a pervert and everything and he abused those girls but to me one of the reason he is not in jail is because he didn't kidnap those women at first. They volontaraly followed R at first......

[@jarricah7920]

Thank you...they parents pimped them out so they need to go to jail too

[@gautamig1546]

finally some sense in the comments

[@annarose8913]

@@jarricah7920 Right I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for those victims...what were you looking over there in the first place knowing all the rumors about him!

[@WISEPREACH]

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[@melissalitus8879]

Lock him up! No excuses, what he did to these women are unforgivable smh 😠😟

[@jaffiepeters1337]

That good that for them

[@melissalitus8879]

@@jaffiepeters1337 you must be insane! No one deserves that smh

[@akisaonblase1125]

Nobody would have checked Jeannie better than Tamar 🤷🏿‍♀️

[@Bolton11]

This a color thing Jeannie.

[@ToriBrianna331]

Jeanie always has a hard time listening 😂 Adrienne wanted to be like “You sounding real All Lives Matter over there”

[@ShawnCummings]

I haven't seen the show yet... But I've sent the police on wellness or welfare checks all the time. If the girls in question were under 18 - the police failed at their job.

[@donnacarter9808]

No necessarily. The age of consent varies from state to state. In Chicago, I believe it’s 16.

[@brianasimone92able]

Jeannie has me side eyeing her right now. All women are definitely disrespected and abused, but let’s be honest here black women are the most disrespected and abused without any justice and support from society. I understand she doesn’t want to look like the bad guy, but in this case it’s definitely about race

[@marilynlevi6176]

So we can talk about the situation watch a 3 part docuseris on R Kelly’s crime but haven’t heard of any arrests no charges nothing! Where r the search warrants, FBI, the cops where’s the whole police department! I don’t want this issue to die out and we all forget about it we need to hear a court date withen the next few weeks!

[@SierraLyons]

Adrienne wanted to say “that’s like saying ‘all lives matter’” and I couldn’t agree more. Look at the #MeToo movement. In its genesis with just a black woman it got no traction. But the moment white women grabbed a hold of the movement it got national attention and the Black founder was barely even credited. Race plays a HUGE part into the R Kelly situation and I wish more people would listen to Black women

[@emsm2406]

Jeanie is not right in this segment, she is beginning to sound not as wise as i thought she was, or she is just annoying sometimes, its best to not say anything sometimes. wonder what Tam would have said! addrean is very correct, the truth is the truth.

[@child__of_God]

Every time one of the ladies have an opinion that ‘we’ don’t agree with, there’s a lot of hateful comments towards them. It’s okay to disagree....but it’s unfair that one minute you’re praising them, then the next your bashing their characters and demanding they be removed from the panel. Doesn’t make sense. It’s ok to disagree. But what’s not ok is using the opportunity to discredit them.🤨 Unnecessary.😕

[@MajesticMyronn]

Janét Lí FINALLY ! Agree to disagree but don’t turn it into something else and start being mean because u disagree

[@soniamackenzie9675]

Exactly! We need to be better in 2019 at having healthy debates, I disagree with the ladies on their opinions on various topics but never feel the need to disrespect their characters and diminish what they bring to the table as individuals. They are entitled to have their own perspectives.

[@peanutjelly727]

But this is a show that celebrates diversity and she's dismissing the plight of other women of color. If she had statistics or data to support her argument, fine, but she was speaking out of pure ignorance. She was speaking as if she hadn't been sitting next to black women for the past 6 years, making money off of the format of this show. That's actually pretty disturbing. She really exposed herself in this segment.

[@nfvy8111]

Janét Lí Exactly. There was a video posted titled “black women should side eye Jeannie mai” and it was full of disgusting, racist comments against Asians because of this one misconstrued comment Jeannie mai made. They were calling asians “devils” and saying Asians were “born with tails” and other despicable things. People of color need to stop fighting amongst each other.

[@nfvy8111]

peanutjelly she was speaking from firsthand experience working with female trafficking victims from around the globe

[@TheSleepyBeautyCo]

Jeannie really?! 🙄

[@lisasaytee7557]

After this Jeannie is really cancelled. She just said All Lives Matter. She literally said people of:"People of all colour" and Adriene nearly said that's like saying All Lives Matter. However because the show isn't as real as they say it is she didn't.

[@ohok6091]

I am white and it is definitely a racial thing: very very sad and disgusting

[@sallw9263]

Amen Adrienne!!! I’m not even from the U.S but 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@Kayleec20]

Tell em Adrienne!!!

[@nataliawilliams5365]

The subtle reactions have something to do with race and culture, no denying it! Somebody thinks that's just culture amongst black people and so there isn't much to be enraged about. At one point it was 'normal' to assume black women had to give sexually or do unthinkable things to get somewhere in certain industries. That was something to be enraged about too but 🤷🏾‍♀️...

[@alisealfred5865]

Jeannie my dear you faux pas on this one. While your point is valid I am disappointed that you failed to acknowledge that this is in fact a race issue as it regards to the response of the authorities. Let us look at for example the effort that was placed on say finding and prosecuting the demons in the Elizabeth Smart issues way back and that was one girl, one white girl. Yet reports after reports of young black girls being taken advantage of by this one man and yet he still walks among you, still breathes fresh air and gets to enjoy the luxuries of life all because the authorities don't see value in the victims. But R Kelly is not the only issue here nor is the authorities, all the people who aided him in this are just as guilty of abuse. It was not a time to be PC Jeannie, call the spade a spade

[@LifeWithYah]

Lonnie always tells her true emotions in her eyes. She can’t even speak up due to her job smh another example of how we are silenced

[@TeeyanaAromi]

Jeannie never sees it as a racial thing 🙄😴😴😴

[@boxysay7664]

Adrienne, thank u, u r talking about the treatment of blk women... as compared to others for any violent category. It is not the same and never has been. Jeannie, u r talking about our society being desenstize in reference to the violence of any woman, not just black women. 2 different strong points. Jada's question and point. Do blk women matter? Yes, blk women matter and our closed book society represent false truth.

[@Milady400]

Jeannie sounds like she needs to take a few sociology classes.

[@halensunday2016]

Jeannie here is the perfect example of talking at someone and not to them she's so caught up in her politically correct opinion for daytime tv she isn't listening to the issue. These are heinous sexual crimes specifically committed toward underage black girls some as young as 12. It is a racial thing and this isn't 'desensitization' its injustice.

[@cauliflowerpower41]

Jeannie only stands for gays not blk issues, she always passes on blk issues. But, wants a blk man🤔

[@Tahmorrow]

I'm so glad that this conversation didn't go in a direction I thought it would so thank you guys for sticking up for these victims

[@SweettCurls]

Jeanie is annoying, just Anwser Adrienne question.

[@BrownBlasian]

No...he is damaged and damaged people that went through horrors as a child, still has a child-like mind and does not belong in jail. PERIOD. He need therapy.

[@raheltesfaye3426]

Jeannie, I’m really disappointed. You’re usually a voice of reason, but you flat out denied the realities of many black women in one statement. Nobody said other women don’t get abused. However in many cases black women are more prone to sexual assault/abuse because abusers know that others probably won’t believe these same black women, or brush it aside. I just can’t believe you uttered those words on national television expecting people to be on board with you

[@chuckie102883]

I like that Jeannie is a rational thinker and isn’t quickly going to race. Remember she is an active advocate of sex trafficking crimes against women and I’m sure sees the statistics and studies this deeply. She’s not jumping on the race bandwagon so fast because she’s assessing the statistics overall given her knowledge. Nothing wrong with that.

[@creolescorpionke9482]

Yes this happens to women of every race but in this particular moment and in this situation we are talking about BLACK GIRLS Jeannie. Stop making this other people problems and look at the issue at hand. Periodt.

[@ivettes5330]

Too many people talking about surviving rkelly but no one is acting on putting this man behind bars

[@ebonih7138]

By Jeannie

[@frenchvanilla7109]

*Bye

[@tawanafudge5182]

Adrienne you came thru on this one babygirl!!!👏👏👏

[@valeriekemp7828]

Jeanie I'm sick of her...new host please!!!!!

[@MajesticMyronn]

Valerie Kemp I would LOVE for you to get your own show... PLEASE ! Since u have such an issue with HER opinion

[@valeriekemp7828]

@@MajesticMyronn I would LOVE for you to get from under my comment since YOU have an issue with MY OPINION

[@nfvy8111]

you tried it

[@jeeppatriotoffroadaz]

I am hearing is words. Accusations against him. But haven't seen any pictures , videos or audio clips about anything about it. R Kelly is still the r&b god that nobody can match with all his music about making love. Ill still listen to him just like when the song Thriller comes on.

[@sirlesterpernell4469]

Please I'm asking everybody do not be tricked by this because he's innocent 20 years later these girls is coming out for money because they're low everything has a platform his ex-wife have platform Sparkle coming out because she never she's a one hit wonder this is a platform for Sparkle you never even seen her until now🌎

[@chesweetie2015]

Are you out of your mind!? These women aren’t getting paid millions from Lifetime for telling their stories. You’re sick as hell if you support R. Kelly.

[@bealynch5238]

Who are you?

[@khalasoul]

Adrienne is speaking facts...why is it so easy to ignore people of color or skip around the value of our lives? It's very unfortunate that this is a worldwide issue for women however as a black woman I can't ignore the fact we are considered last when it comes to several issues in this world. All women matter and are equally important once again in this case we are talking about the documentary and these women are women of color. I pray justice is served for all cases regarding the disrespect of women.

[@KC-ly1fb]

The parents outside of the studio waited 3 friggen years till the girl was 18 to do anything about it wtf...I think they were paid off. The father should be ashamed!!

[@DajaSnipes]

Jeannie pleaseeeee just listen to Adrienne. We all get that all lives matter and women shouldn’t have to go through this violence period but in this situation if there was a white family standing on the other side of that door with their white daughter inside with that monster, you know all hell would’ve broke loose. She wasn’t implying that black women are the only race being abused, two totally different things

[@boomsonic8998]

Where can I watch the series? Netflix or KZbin?

[@celifacejones]

Jeannie is right - the problem is the focus on R Kelly is micro; one case, one man. Jeannie is thinking macro. The problem of older people manipulating children into sex through authority, coercion, or bodily harm is a problem that has no specific ethnicity when it comes to victims. We as a society are normalizing the power dynamic of sex and the sexualization of children. That's macro. In this case, it is about black girls, but this case and the fact that he was allowed to abuse for so long is not exclusive to black people or POC. It happens all the time, in every industry, to children from all backgrounds and ethnicities. It's not that black girls don't matter, it's that people don't really think children matter. We see it with R Kelly, Sandusky, the catholic church, Jimmy Savile... for ANY of those people to succeed as abusers, there had to be people that looked the other way. Walking out of a room where a child is being raped and not intervene or having a bedroom door fly open on a tour bus to see a grown man having sex with a 15 year old... either you're a coward or you're desensitized.

[@babyblue3353]

Well as a white girl... I have been sexually harassed for years by old white, black, Hispanic men. I work for a billion dollar business full of harassment. I even reached out to a lawyer n basically was told ya can't do anything because you work for an at will employer and they really don't need a reason to fire you. They told me realistically you will get fired. Are you prepared to deal with this? Can your family make it with out ur income? Which they can't. So for years I have felt helpless. I believe no women should ever have to deal with this. It's going to take all women fighting together to make a difference. I was told it's very rare you will even win after many years. And most of my family works for this company as it is huge where I'm from. I asked can they go after my family and they lose their jobs? I was told yes and they twill. I always feel like my hands are tied and it's horrible

[@lisabeauplan2343]

They ALL need to be held accountable!!!

[@shahboozi]

The issue I have with what Adrienne said is that she made it seem as though he got away with it from the police or people *outside the black community* didn’t care because the victims were black which is just wrong. Nobody let his victims down more then the black community… after the police became aware of the video back in 2003-2004 he was arrested and charged (police don’t know someone’s abusing under age girls without people coming forward) and after he was arrested it was the black community who defended him and claimed that he was being charged because he was a successful black man. It’s been known since 96 that he married a 14 yr old Aaliyah when he was damn near 30 and that didn’t stop the black community from supporting him or black artists from working with him.

[@tuchunglee1793]

It’s definitely a colour thing 100% and let us not be blind to that. This is the most truth I’ve heard Adrienne preach

[@lashawnaparrish7440]

Our women need to know your worth. We need to teach our girls about their worth and self-love. Do not let someone else define or characterize you as a person.

[@sandssaid081]

Does anyone know where I can watch this ? Since it’s not on Netflix

[@eon001]

Don't forget that it's black women that have kept this monster's career alive for this long. There still cheering him on AFTER the documentary.

[@slaybeauty2932]

They were playing his music today at work and I said, oh hell no, turn that crap off...

[@lianet777]

What y’all don’t get, is that Jeannie has been super involved in helping sexual trafficking victims, and she has seen all kinds of women, black, white, Asian, indigenous; she’s not dismissing these black women, she just has seen many many many women that weren’t black, but were also sex trafficking victims

[@myahodge8298]

We as black women have been protesting for years about this okay we are never gonna be treated as equals I watched the series and saw some disturbing things and ppl are still by his side we'll at least r Kelly's rotting in prison for 192 years don't know how that works but he'll never see the light of day again

[@anipancake9490]

In May 2018, 2 Black Bodies were found on 2 separate occasions hanging from trees in Atlanta, GA. One was a man, the other body was a female. The police ruled both deaths as public suicides. They refused to give adequate media coverage and never revealed the race of either individual... Lynchings of the past were treated much the same by police and the nation. We are living in a society that still refuses to humanize all people. Black women have been ignored and continue to be destroyed by rape, abuse, neglect and forced to raise children alone while their good men are killed or sitting behind bars for harsh sentencing AND/OR crimes they did not commit. AND, their bad men contribute to their abuse and violation forcing her to feel shame, unloved, abandoned, used because they are Black women who are not beautiful or worthy enough of this twisted world's standard of beauty and humanism.

[@dotydotdots2839]

Thankyou Adrienne. I expected more from Loni but I'm glad Ade wasn't afraid to speak the truth !

[@danielledefreitas2021]

Miss me with the all lives matter narrative Jeannie. All lives SHOULD matter. But this world needs to admit and comes to grips with how different races are treated we don’t

[@kaylaallen4194]

I think it’s sick that people don’t take black women serious ave calling them “fast” he is a grown adult !!

[@ceecee7246]

Okay so Jeannie, you need to read up on intersectionality because Adrienne is a 100%

[@qietconfidence]

I'm with Adrienne and Loni! I hear Jeannie but in this specific situation.........#blacklivesmatter #perspective

[@sofiereyes8242]

It's not fair man this system, society, if it's a crime against a minority vs a minority they sweep it under the rug as much as possible, but a crime against a minority vs the majority makes headlines ???? World news so quick to make us minorities look bad but when it comes to crimes against our same group y'all ain't so quick to help out...... We've been knew R Kelly was like this. Yes all women of any race do fall victim to this subject, buttt when talking about r kelly, race plays a huge part of it, all of his victims are minorities, we've seen the man pee on a little girl dude and that's still not a good enough reason to stop him why because poor babygirl didn't have green eyes and blond hair??????. 100% agree with you ladies if it were a blond hair blue eye victim to R Kelly or any colored man, maaaaan all over america would have fit. (No disrespect to any race whatsoever) but y'all i can't be the only one who agrees with Jada....?

[@michelle_9875]

I really agree with Adrienne on this you hate to see it but I really feel it is. It’s like when the lady called the police on the guy and said “I fear for my life there’s a black man threatening me” they swooped in because she was seemingly Caucasian if a Latina or black woman made a call like that there wouldn’t have been the same reaction.

[@Eldot5]

If Amanda was on the show then she’d have been like: “That’s low-key noble (of R Kelly)”

[@tiffanyblue1938]

I think we need to remember that Jeannie works with Human Trafficking issues and victims. She's more of an expert in this subject than the other hosts., and I believe she's speaking from that point of view. I don't know why everyone's reacting like she's a racist or something.

[@nightowlepisodes]

This situation is happening with all women of different backgrounds and colours of different countries evident through the me too movement and Jeannie was right in saying that but I think it was not necessary for her to mention that comment when discussing the R. Kelly situation because I do believe that with the R. Kelly situation as mentioned in the docuseries there was no momentum for the mute kelly movement and people think mute kelly is a recent movement when it isnt it's been there but because the r kelly situation involves black women it's going unnoticed.

[@ashabridges2102]

Say it Adrienne “that’s like saying all” THATS LIKE SAYING ALL LIVES MATTER 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Jeannie girl 🤦🏾‍♀️ do better!

[@ashabridges2102]

If there were white girls in that studio with R Kelly...a black man and a white woman? A white man telling the police to go in there and CHECK on his daughter, not even GET their daughter? They would’ve gone in there!

[@ashabridges2102]

D exactly!