Chomsky on Palestine and Israel

Noam Chomsky: What needs to be done has been clear for decades

[@aymanmouhcine5749]

I really respect Sir Chomsky and all Western FREE people who support the Just Causes. those who do not follow the herd and what the media say. they stand against their own nations to support oppressed peoples. You all deserve to be respected

[@MegaGeneral1]

Ayman Ssdfozedp I agree with you a hundred percent free Palestine!!!

[@Wildcowboy64]

Palestine was offered peace 5 times by Israel and rejected it every single time.

[@paulconnelly4050]

Austrian Zoomer you sound like a scratched record. A scratched record containing lies.

[@satnamo]

Like Norman Finkelstein says: Professor Noam Chomsky was a force of nature on so many levels 🎉 He is a phenomenon ❤

[@Tesla_Death_Ray]

"Was"?

[@boumar19721972]

People are so divided! Religion,patriotism,race,gender,class,politics. The elites love it.It keeps us from seeing what they do to us.

[@freshhug]

Not that it needs to be said but Chomsky is the man.

[@alexanderacostaosorio]

A great commentary on the current situation

[@StephenfromChch]

Great interview. Polite and interesting questions, and Professor Chomsky points the way forward towards more information on the Palestine-Israel situation and a change in US public opinion. Against Israel.

[@AlexGordonMusic]

Stephen Hoare-Vance yes, it's israels fault that honor killing has doubled in the past year in Palestine...... or that hamas makes children's programming about completing the final solution..... or that genocide is explicit in hamas charter. Hooray, Noam. Deserves the nobel peace prize for Obscurantism.

[@silentrev_7360]

​​@@AlexGordonMusicyou need a medal for cherry picking, without even considering that the alleged intention of Hamas are much more clear from the Israeli side; how can you forget the charter of the Likud (ex irgun, created by its former leader, the belarus terrorist Begin) party in the 77, 10 years before Hamas was created, where is explicitly said from the jordan to the Mediterranean sea (the two blue stripes are literally the river and the sea with the swastika, ehm, the "star of David" in between)? the genocidal and ethnic cleansing acts were already in place from 60 years, when the squads of Hagana, lehi, stern gang and irgun itself were displacing the people who were living there for generations, killing, burning, executing, raping, torturing in order to help the European settlers create the first settlements. You forgot all of that uh? By looking at Hamas, you're foolishly looking at the finger, not at the moon. They're the consequence of the problem, not the root, which is zionims, which literally teaches in the schools to teach hatred and dehumanisation, in order to convince those kids to not feel bad about genocidal intents, educate yourself 🤫

[@silentrev_7360]

@AlexGordonMusic you need a medal for cherry picking, without even considering that the alleged intention of Hamas are much more clear from the Israeli side; how can you forget the charter of the Likud (ex irgun, created by its former leader, the belarus terrorist Begin) party in the 77, 10 years before Hamas was created, where is explicitly said from the jordan to the Mediterranean sea (the two blue stripes are literally the river and the sea with the swastika, ehm, the "star of David" in between)? the genocidal and ethnic cleansing acts were already in place from 60 years, when the squads of Hagana, lehi, stern gang and irgun itself were displacing the people who were living there for generations, killing, burning, executing, raping, torturing in order to help the European settlers create the first settlements. You forgot all of that uh? By looking at Hamas, you're foolishly looking at the finger, not at the moon. They're the consequence of the problem, not the root, which is zionims, which literally teaches in the schools to teach hatred and dehumanisation, in order to convince those kids to not feel bad about genocidal intents, educate yourself 🤫

[@silentrev_7360]

​@@AlexGordonMusic​​@AlexGordonMusic you need a medal for cherry picking, without even considering that the alleged intention of Hamas are much more clear from the Israeli side; how can you forget the charter of the Likud (ex irgun, created by its former leader, the belarus terrorist Begin) party in the 77, 10 years before Hamas was created, where is explicitly said from the jordan to the Mediterranean sea (the two blue stripes are literally the river and the sea with the swastika, ehm, the "star of David" in between)? the genocidal and ethnic cleansing acts were already in place from 60 years, when already in the 20s the squads of Hagana, lehi, stern gang and irgun itself were displacing the people who were living there for generations, killing, burning, executing, raping, torturing in order to help the European settlers create the first settlements. You forgot all of that uh? By looking at Hamas, you're foolishly looking at the finger, not at the moon. They're the consequence of the problem, not the root, which is zionims, which literally teaches in the schools to teach hatred and dehumanisation, in order to convince those kids to not feel bad about genocidal intents, educate yourself 🤫

[@silentrev_7360]

@AlexGordonMusic @AlexGordonMusic you need a medal for cherry picking, without even considering that the alleged intention of Hamas are much more clear from the Israeli side; how can you forget the charter of the Likud (ex irgun, created by its former leader, the belarus terrorist Begin) party in the 77, 10 years before Hamas was created, where is explicitly said from the jordan to the Mediterranean sea (the two blue stripes are literally the river and the sea with the swastika, ehm, the "star of David" in between)? the genocidal and ethnic cleansing acts were already in place from 60 years, when already in the 20s the squads of Hagana, lehi, stern gang and irgun itself were displacing the people who were living there for generations, killing, burning, executing, raping, torturing in order to help the European settlers create the first settlements. You forgot all of that uh? By looking at Hamas, you're foolishly looking at the finger, not at the moon. They're the consequence of the problem, not the root, which is zionims, which literally teaches in the schools to teach hatred and dehumanisation, in order to convince those kids to not feel bad about genocidal intents, educate yourself 🤫

[@Joeybagadounuts08]

Thank you Noam. For everything.

[@OfriKlein]

Noam Chomsky is a great smart honest man. Wish he could be Israel's prime minister!

[@jamiemalokas3693]

Amen O K . Wish he could be dual prime minister and USA president.

[@nickodemo1]

LOL israhell shouldn t exist in first place whatsoever

[@diegobotto6245]

They banned him off Israel

[@harmonyvegan]

And also UK Prime Minister too if he has time, cool thanks.

[@ooslingg]

Truth must be told

[@Athome452]

What a wise man I enjoyed listening, learned so much.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy The Lebanese took Lebanon back and Gaza was never given up, it was simply turned into an open air prison. About the Sinai, now that was really indefensible. But in giving back the Sinai Israel also accomplished peace with Egypt, removing the only serious threat to its existence. Today, apart from inflamatory rhetoric, no Arab seriously considers war with Israel. The only thing getting in the way of true security for Israel today is the continued occupation.

[@casanova0102]

i love this guy's logic!

[@mango2005]

And if that money destroys Palestinian lives to make way for the settlements, then I suppose that doesn't matter?!??!

[@JerrySPsy]

@JerrySPsy Sorry meant to write that the vast majority of so-called "Palestinians" came later - from other Arab countries -- mostly to work for the British between WWI and WWII, as stated by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1939: "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky 1) Irgun was estab. in response to repeated Arab massacres of peaceful unarmed Jews. They did what they had to to defend Jews & prevent further attacks. 2) Homes of those who plan or carry out terrorist acts are bulldozed as are illegally built homes 3) Following a review requested by Harvard Law School Dean Elena Kagan, determined that no plagiarism had occurred in the Dershowitz-Peters issue. 4) Israel is NOT an apartheid state by any interpretaion of the meaning of that term.

[@DonVoghano]

@Titoscudd I'm glad you mentioned blacks. How would you define a black American today? According to your standards he's clearly not American, however due to intermixing and centuries of separation, he would not fit into any African population. So where do you fit African Americans? In Libera where black ex-slaves displaced the native Africans? Or is your discriminant simply the skin color, making you a contemporary Nazi?

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky The British Consul General, James Finn, wrote in 1857 that "the country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants." He added that the land's "greatest need is that of a body of population." I could go on and on but let's move to number 2. Google “Redeemers of the Land” by Naftalie Greenwood and you will see documentation of the purchases of huge tracts of land in Israel by the Jewish National Fund, other groups, and individual Jews.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano The relevance of the Moors is that when White Europeans gained the upper hand after the demise of the Moorish empire, the cleansed Italy and Spain of the Moors. PERIOD. And at that time, the reason why they singled out the Moors for such eradication was because, the Europeans knew who was a native and who wasn't. And at that time, people like you didn't raise doubts as to their definition of it.

[@NewDaysOldWays1]

@JerrySPsy Early traces of Semitic speakers are found, too, in South Arabian inscriptions in Yemen, Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia, and after this in Carthage (modern Tunisia) and later still, in Roman times, in Nabataean inscriptions from Petra (modern Jordan) south into Arabia. I guess you don't consider what's happening to the Palestinians atrocious!

[@JerrySPsy]

@DonVoghano Off course no one can tell Israel to just disappear. But the fact is that in the charters of all of these Palestinian organizations call for the elimination of Israel & the Jews. It was the Arabs who did not respect the borders that were established by the international community & they were condemned by the UN for waging war on Israel.Every time Israel gives land back it comes back to haunt them. Don't deny that if the situation were reversed all Jews would either be dead or gone.

[@NewDaysOldWays1]

@JerrySPsy The earliest historic (written) evidences of them are found in the Fertile Crescent, an area encompassing the Akkadian, Babylonian and Assyrian civilizations along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers (modern Iraq), extending northwest into southern Asia Minor (modern Turkey) and the Levant (modern Syria and Lebanon along the eastern Mediterranean.

[@paifu.]

5:30 US blocking settlements in words but not actions. 6:30 One state or two states? 11:10 Obama 30 billion military aid commitment over 10 years to Israel

[@Vierotchka]

@EasternGateGuardian Phoenicians are a Semite people, as are Arabs and Jews. I am not mistaking anything at all.

[@EasternGateGuardian]

@Vierotchka wrong, you are mistaking Hebrews, a small Phoenicians group, with Jews.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano LOL!! Don't feed me words. I did not say that a Black citizen of Scottland will never be able to call themselves Scottish. What I said is that such a citizen, is not a native of Scotland.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano Does it mean that because at this point in history, Siberia is considered part of Russia, Vladimir Putin can therefore claim to be a native Siberian or, absent the force of arms, claim to have greater right to Siberia than native Siberians? Does that not tell you that even Putin knows that, although he is Russian, he isn't a native Siberian?

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky They are NOT stealing Arab and there is NO occupation! Consider these irrefutable points (references can be provided): 1) So-called "Palestine" was quite desolate when Zionists started to return to their ancient homeland & join those Jews whose families had been living for centuries. 2) Huge tracts of land were BOUGHT by the Jewish National Fund & other Jewish organizations. Also individual Jews bought land and homes from Arabs & Turks - at exorbitant prices. (Continued)

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano If world leaders remain silent in the face of French and German assertions that Turks and north Africans aren't natives of either country and must therefore "assimilate" as "integration" has failed, then, that tells you that world leaders do have an understanding of who is native to a country or region and who isn't. And who gives a damn what a prattling key board hero has to say about it?

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano Are the deserts of California and Arizona "unsettled space"? Are the ice deserts of Alaska, the Sorth and South Poles and Siberia also "unsettled space"? Do you mean that anyone or group of people can just relocate to any of these places and set up a new country seeing as these places have no permanent human inhabitants? Do you also believe that no nation has the right therefore, to curtail mass immigration into its territory?

[@BBB32648]

Thank you for providing the sources in the video.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy Now within Israel's fragile political equilibria such concepts are hard to accept: the politicians are hostage of the huge economic interests of the military complex and the need to flex their muscles against the Arabs to show off to the electorate. A situation that parallels the political stalemate of the US which also ends up resulting in permanent military commitments, to the detriment of the citizen's security and finances.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano The tides of history are gradually shifting, and in a few decades, we will revisit this issue and address the presence of Europeans on several continents in a more objective and even handed way. So, you don't worry, in a few years, you'll be a little more lucid and not so inebriated with your delusions of eternal Western dominance. Remember this, less than a hundred years ago, EVERY Briton believed that "the sun will never set on the British Empire".An inane statement today, yes?

[@JerrySPsy]

@DonVoghano It is not an occupation and it is not illegitimate at all. There are few Israeli groups that would say otherwise and the one's that do are a bunch of peaceniks who have lost sight of the history of this conflict and the way things unfolded. Other international groups and the UN have never been fair in their dealings with Israel and are influenced by the Arab majority. I have many examples of this.

[@DonVoghano]

@Titoscudd I suggest risperidone (1mg), to be taken morning and evening accompained with good psychotherapic sessions with a serious professional for about a year. It might help with some of the rage and delusions, and then again it might not. If you are afraid of interactions and side effects of heavy antipsychotics allow me to direct you to a moderate consumption of cannabis which could also be of some marginal aid. Good luck with everything, bro.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano Moreover, I'd asked you previously that, seeing as you said that settlers may take over any land provided it is "uninhabited" and "like water and air, nobody can claim ownership of land", will you therefore say that I can go to the vast, open and uninhabited areas of the US and Canada and set up my own country there, seeing as they're uninhabited? Will either country agree with the argument that because those areas are uninhabited, they therefore belong to no one?

[@DonVoghano]

@Titoscudd Secondly this bit about the Moors is just silly. Take Sicily, inhabited by Sicani and the Sicels (prehistoric people), then conquered by the Greeks, then taken over by the Carthaginians, then conquered by the Romans, then again by Greek Byzantines and only then by the Arabs - who got kicked out by the Normans, it then became Spanish and ultimately Italian. Each conquering people had a different ethnic cultural and linguistic background. So now WHO really is Sicilian?

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy Bro I think your moral compass is a bit off. Even if we assume that the Jews encountered a second holocaust in Palestine, once they established themselves as the dominant military power in the region (with nuclear deterrents even) within recognized borders, they cannot claim defense when expanding through those borders. Now, the recognized border IS the green line, whatever happens outside of it IS aggression, and no amount of sophism can change this basic fact.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano No developed nation or people in the world today would be where they are without having first established ownership of land and the resources thereon. Which is why Europeans made sure that they embarked on a concerted and determined effort to take over land and the ownership of its resources from indigenous peoples where ever they encountered them. Which is why such European settlers have prospered while their victims have been decimated.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy You seem not to want to understand. There is no such thing as gambling and losing, and nobody is telling Israel to disappear. Israel has borders, a settlement must happen within those borders with minor land-swaps and adjustments which take into account security as well as territorial integrity. Israel simply refuses to accept them because as long as it has US arms behind it, it can continue to subsidize settlements and illegally build walls and buldoze houses.

[@Vierotchka]

@EasternGateGuardian No, DNA cannot determine if an individual is Muslim or Christian, but it certainly can determine if an individual is a Jew. Jewishness is not just adherence to Judaism, it is a distinct people with distinct DNA markers.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano Excuse me. Although I haven't followed this discussion from the start, but, I find this comment that "no human has a justified claim to any piece of land" rather disturbing because, it smacks of European colonialist intellectual distortion. So, you mean that the Native Americans, Aborigines, Maoris, Africans, etc didn't have "a justified claim to" their land? Would you be so certain of this if the tables were turned and technological superiority weren't skewed towards Europe?

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky Yes this is tiresome - allow me to walk you through this. It was not only Mark Twain who commented on his observations while traveling through Palestine (& please tell me why his comments don't count). Arthur Penrhyn Stanley, the great British cartographer, reached similar conclusions in 1881: "In Judea it is hardly an exaggeration to say that for miles and miles there was no appearance of life or habitation."

[@JerrySPsy]

@DonVoghano No, Israel withdrew from Lebanon just like it withdrew from Gaza. In Gaza it was painful since many Jews had to be forcefully removed & their homes destroyed. . Businesses and infrastructure was left behind for the Gazans - all as a gesture of peace. It is hardly a prison - it has luxury malls, among the highest rates of obesity in the world, and their markets are overflowing with food. You expect Israel to just allow free access into it by people who repeatedly vow to destroy it?!

[@EasternGateGuardian]

@StraussBR when a state is sanctioned, like in Iran, it is the citizens who are sanctioned.

[@GamerDudester]

A question I'd like to know, who profits from Israel buying weapons from America?

[@paulconnelly4050]

GamerDudester they don’t even buy them. The US gives Israel foreign aid to the tune of 30 Billion US dollars, which the Israeli government uses to ‘buy’ weapons from the USA. So in effect the American tax payer is paying for all of this. It’s a nice racket for Israel and the defence companies. Why do you think no US politician would dare stop foreign aid, the majority of the allocated budget goes to Israel, the justification being its a key strategic ally and also one that needs to protect itself from hostile neighbours (despite being and for many decades the most powerful military force in that region and a nuclear one at that, ranked at various times at between top ten to top 5 in the world rankings for military power).

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy If the Israelis truly want to claim to be on a better moral standing than the Arabs, they should abide by international laws and the treaties that, borne out of horror, have been put into place to prevent further horror. Time has long been mature to normalize relations with the neighbors as they themselves have shown to want in the aftermath of the predictable early military conflicts. The treadmill of hate must stop, and only the stronger party can make it stop.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano Will either country agree with the argument that if I took over such uninhabited areas of their territory and bore children there, my children are therefore natives of those areas?

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano Go and read about the Herero, Ashanti, Jaja of Opobo, Efunsetan Aniwura, etc. Those who opposed the Europeans were branded "savages", "uncivilized", "extremists", etc. Very similar to what was done to all native Americans who resisted European expansionism and the very same thing is happening today in Arab nations where those who oppose your policies are branded "extremists", "Jihadists", etc

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano The import of your statement tells me that, what is happening in Palestine, which had happened in the Americas, New Zealand, Australia and was attempted in Africa can still happen in this day and age because, all it takes is for a group of settlers to desire to settle in a new place even if that means displacing indigenes and dispossessing them of land either through overt violence or some other means. So, your issue with Israel isn't the take over of land but the method used?

[@GamerDudester]

@PrimateDynasty Obviously, I meant actual names, references to who these people really are. Are they Zionists? Are they Republicans? Questions as such. I will look into it.

[@Titoscudd]

@docakh Okay? Are you unfamiliar with the use of the word in the context of that sentence or are you just simply "blown away" by it?

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy Like I stated before, this position could have had some validity tens of years ago, but at present the only ones not accepting a partition are the Israelis. Their logic at present is to keep through military might anything that is of value in the territories and to keep the Palestinians in social, political and economic disarray.

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky As they waged wars Arab leaders have repeatedly used exact quotes such as "drive the Jews into the sea," Azzam Pasha announced: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades" Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve." This is all Isalmic extremists know - they even find reasons to kill each other (e.g. Hamas & Fatah) but Jews are supposed to put up with it?!

[@DonVoghano]

@EasternGateGuardian Ageed, along with many others. If only international justice were not just a system to condemn the enemies and ratify the crimes of the strong... But that is another sad truth that we have to swallow.

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky 1) The Igrun was actually the predecessor to Israel's army. They had be undergound since the British would not allow them to have weapons. I guess you would have loved it if Jews never formed a defense group and got wiped out (as they surely would have due to all the Arab massacres). 2. Sure downplay rocket launchings and just call them fireworks (shows how you distort the murderous actions of the Arabs & never deal with the fact that they waged several wars of "extermination."

[@DonVoghano]

@Titoscudd So what about all the other peoples that passed through Italy with different ethnicity, language and customs? Or are they all alike because they were "white"? Are the Europeans really European or are the Basque people more European than the Europeans? Or perhaps the real Europeans were the Neanderthals that got killed off by the Sapiens Sapiens?

[@Vierotchka]

@EasternGateGuardian I was not referring to the Bible - I agree that most of the contents of the Old Testament are borrowed from more ancient religions in those places where the Hebrews lived, such as Mesopotamia. Nevertheless, there is indeed a distinct DNA among Jews - practicing Judaism or not, converted to Christianity and other religions or not. Why don't you read the article to which I provided you with a link instead of spewing your nonsense?

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky UN resolutions will begin to mean something to Israel when the UN comes out with resolutions in Israel's favor for once - or condemns a country when they attack Israel - how come we never see that? When Syria relentlessly pounded Israel for years from the Golan Hts they appealed to the UN but they remained silent so Israel took the Golan Hts - and guess what - they were condemned for it! And show me where I made a racist - or a distorted - statement.

[@JerrySPsy]

@ThinkerWriter Aggression is not always aggression. Sometimes it is rooted self-defense. One has to differentiate who started the aggression. Those who wage war engage in a gamble in which they either gain what they intended, gain nothing, or lose some or all of what they already have. Arabs have tried to wipe out the Jews several times & take their homes & land & yet Israel is faulted for being victorius?! The UN has never acted in Israel's best interests due to a majority of Arab countries.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano Or better still, show links to where you've challenged the concepts of home owner ship and "private property" in your country or neighbourhood.

[@JerrySPsy]

@DonVoghano And yet Israel has repeatedly offered land for peace - even they only have 1/10th of 1% of the land owned in the Middle East by Arabs. It's easy to condemn walls and settlements (and most condemnations were spearheaded or uttered by the majority of Arab nations) without a good look at why these steps were necessary (& they work for Israel). What is the converse of counter-attack? TO just sit by and let yourselves get annihilated? Yeah that really works for Israel!

[@JerrySPsy]

@DonVoghano The wall is need to protect to Israeli citizens from terorrist attacks and has ben shown to be quite effective as it has reduced such attacks by 98%. The West Bank was part of Jordan, not so-called Palestine, There were Jewish communities there that were destroyed in 1929 and 1948 that were re-established & new settlements act as a buffer zone in case of future aggression. In both cases the Arabs are reaping what they sowed with their aggression (continued).

[@DonVoghano]

@Titoscudd Bro, the one unwittingly Eurocentric is you with these notion about property rights. Land cannot be owned, air and water cannot be owned. But there is a difference between colonizing settled and unsettled space. As long as violence is curtailed there is nothing morally wrong about a population's migration. Sadly violence is rarely curtailed in human history, but this is quite independent from the brutal EU colonization.

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky 5) All wars were started by the Arabs - they GAMBLED what land they had to grab it all (as if 99.9% of the land in the Middle East wasn't enough for the Arabs). The lost the wars and Israel enjoyed the spoils of those wars - giving back loads of territorities but refusing to go back to indefensible borders (since Arabs still vow to destroy them). 6) Many Palestinians left their homes and hoped to return and assume ownership of the land & homes of the vanquished Jews. (Continued)

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky 7) So-called "Palestinians" were mostly all rather recent immigrants themselves and came from other countries. 8) The Arabs have repeatedly rejected offers of land for peace and wage constant terrorism and other forms of aggression. Human rights organizations focus on the present plight of the Palestinians but fail to see what got them in their situation. And if the Arabs had won they would not have spared a single Jew. There's your objective study.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy I am afraid we could go on for ages with this. The historical record about Palestinian presence is solid, the claims that there were no Palestinians has been proved in more than one occasion to be a fraud, as in Norman Finkelstein's (

[@JerrySPsy]

@DonVoghano The Soviet countries may have broken up by the Soviets are still a major military power and one which supports the Arabs over Israel. Allow me to not to care about people who want to destroy my people. Those Arabs who don't take such a view are treated as equals in Israel - can you imagine Arabs ever doing that for Jews?! The whole issue of the Palestinian Arab has been trumped up for political purposes and even Arafat and other Arab leaders have admitted this. Most were immigrants.

[@JerrySPsy]

@DonVoghano The problem with New Historians is that they pick up on the action at a more recent point in time and are ignorant to the antecedents of this whole conflict. The irrefutable fact of the matter is that current day events have unfolded due to the history of murderous conflict between Arabs & Jews that was started when the Arabs started massacring innocent, peaceful, unarmed Jews in a number of towns, villages, *& settlements which predated ANY violence on the part of Jews toward Arabs.

[@ilikebac0n]

Chomsky is my hero

[@Vierotchka]

@EasternGateGuardian Haplogroups show that the original Nordic and Germanic stock genetically is closely related to Arabs and Jews. Hpg I1 is associated with the Nordic and Germanic peoples and where they have spread. I1 is most common in Scandinavia where 40% of the males belong to I1. Hpg I2 is found throughout Europe, except northern Europe, in most of the Middle East and the Magreb countries. Hpg I2 is most common on the Balkans.

[@Vierotchka]

@EasternGateGuardian Aryans don't come from India - they invaded India. Aryans were the Persians. You say you deal only in facts, but you sure don't have more than a handful, if that.

[@pebblepod30]

Why couldn't Israel give up other land instead of West Bank, (because of it's Security importance)?

[@JerrySPsy]

@DonVoghano There certainly is such thing as gambling and losing! It happens in casinos, card games, crimes, wars, etc. If I go in to rob a bank I my end up with bags of money but I also risk getting killed by bank security or ending up in jail and losing what assets I may already have, How is that different from the risks Arabs take when they repeatedly waged wars of "extermination" on Israel? Are they only supposed to win? What are the consequences of suffering a loss?

[@tomerkin1]

As someone who meets many of arab Israelis - they definitely prefer to live under the Israeli regime with equal rights and democratic state

[@DonVoghano]

@Titoscudd The European's advancements in brutality allowed them to more effectively do what every human group through history and geography had done. This nativist posture is just logically preposterous: according to this logic how should I go about determining the "righteous owners" of a land like Italy, where pretty much every population from 10k square miles has passed and settled and resettled?

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy I understand that for biographical reasons you choose not to see certain things. However it's not up to you to determine whether an occupation is or isn't taking place. International AND Israeli sources are in agreement: the occupation exists. It is illegitimate, as is the Gaza siege AND the annexation wall AND the settlements according to any piece of international law and military treaty including the Geneva convention or the principles adopted against Nazis in the Nuremberg trials.

[@Michael-mh4vr]

I had a former boss of mine..a very intelligent Jewish man..former attorney. He had went to a Chomsky event and heard him talk. This former boss with some disgust in his voice stated he was not impressed by Chomsky..that he appeared foolish and unintelligent. I was puzzled knowing of Chomsky's intelligence and accolades in academia. However after hearing Chomsky's views on Israel. .I now know my former boss criticized Chomsky.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy So what in your view, aside from the complete disappearance of the Palestinians or all 1.x billion Arabs, could bring about peace in the region? If it is true that constant military escalation and draconian security measures are necessary because "Arabs will never accept the Jews" then doesn't that put into question the whole idea of the viability of a Jewish state in Palestine? Note that this is not my position, it's a conclusion that your views entail.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy You seem to have little grounding in geopolitics. Allow me to delucidate this for you: Israel has the US superpower behind it. The Soviet block who was giving some support to the arabs has fallen. Nobody is crazy enough to challenge the US militarely, so no, brother, Israel is as safe as it can be. The only people crazy enough to challenge the US-Israeli war machine, the most advanced in the world, are the people that have nothing to lose: the occupied.

[@arta106]

Good morning, Libby. So why do you attack me instead of looking into Chomsky family history.

[@googleuser6275]

I think if there is a God, he would be so angry at Israel and Palestine, for doing such things on the holy land. Whoever is keeping the situation there as is and blocking a reasonable solution should be ashamed of themselves. I mean look at what they have done to the place. Tall walls to segregate different sections, so many checkpoints with armed forces to block everything. The whole thing is a mess. God values love and harmony I would think. And on his holyland he sees none. Is this way to worship God? I think not. It is like you say someone is your favorite person and go piss at their front door.

[@Vierotchka]

@EasternGateGuardian You can pretend to dispel it, but if you had the first little bit of knowledge of ancient history, your pretense that all Germanic people are descended from the Phoenicians is ludicrous on its face and totally erroneous.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy This is just offensive. I will continue to assume that you are in good faith despite this and point you to the innumerable human rights reports by Israeli and international agencies which sketch out quite a different picture of life in Gaza.

[@rajasmasala]

@rajasmasala Plus look at how small this place is, development if handled with proper oversight would be ridiculously easy to enact. It's the Israelis who always stop the attempts, and this is just clearly either the third option in play or Hamas paying off Israeli soldiers (I strongly doubt).

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano My challenge to you still stands - direct me to a SINGLE comment by you where you have challenged the concept of ownership of land and territory by your national govt. or where you have spoken out against the designation of undocumented immigrants to your country as "illegal" on the basis that "land and water cannot be owned by anyone and therefore belongs to everyone".

[@Mutant_Miniatures]

Armistice lines aren't borders.

[@arta106]

Poor chap was probably abused by his father. Now gets even with his folks.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy You still have not told me why Israel cannot agree with a 2 state settlement on the green line that everyone recognizes. So they have a right to counter-attack and annex freely? Every international source agrees in condemning the wall and the settlements, even Obama has farsicle rhetoric moments in which he condemns them, yet you seem to condone it all because of a tribal right of "counter-attack," not defense mind you, cuz that IS accomplished....

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky The IDF was hardly routed - the number speak for themselves. The only thing they did wrong was underestimate the amount of weaponry that Hezbollah got from Iran and Syria - and the sophistication of these weapons. That's why they didn't go into Gaza half-assed. So you criticize for overkill in that situation and blame them for underkill in Lebanon. If you weren't a Jew hater why would you revel in what you think was a defeat for Israel?!

[@gregpoirier1779]

Iranians are not Arabs. No one has ever conquered Persia.

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky 3) Some Jews settled in open areas that were unclaimed - mostly because they were not felt to be cultivable. 4) The first episodes of violence were several massacres of innocent, unarmed, peaceful Jews. What followed was a series of land grabs on both sides. 4) Land was ganted to Jews by the British & later by the UN. Israel accepted this joyously whereas Arab countries ganged up on Israel & vowed to "drive the Jews into the sea." Thankfully they lost - & now you blame the victor?

[@EasternGateGuardian]

@Vierotchka you did not investigate didn't you. from Phoenician letters came Greek, and runes. True hebrew called archaic is simple Phoenician. Modern hebrew is an 300years old invention. I only deal in facts.

[@DonVoghano]

@JerrySPsy I don't think anyone in good faith could make that argument in the light of the evidence. If you are honest I urge you to look at the other side's arguments and the work of the Israeli New Historians to get a more balanced picture. If you are only interested in apologetics, then stick to Jewish circles were you can mutually reinforce Israeli propaganda.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano Even as we speak, aren't there American officials and senators who are intent on denying the children of immigrants who were born in America the right to citizenship? Does that not speak to the fact that they too have a sense of who is a "native" (at least as far as they the descendants of European settlers are concerned) and who isn't? Yet, the keyboard pounding delusional slap stick comic would have us believe otherwise? LOL!! Dream on, my boy, dream on!!

[@DonVoghano]

@Titoscudd No, according to your logic nobody has the right to be a US CITIZEN, the US being a white colonial state that has no legitimacy, thereby negating anyone's "right" to "citizenship." The only people who have the right to live on North American soil are the original settlers, by your own declaration. You still fail to find a reason within your own rules that would allow blacks to live on US soil. Don't you see that something does not work in your line of reasoning?

[@JerrySPsy]

@fleontrotsky Now I see you couldn't refute numbers 3, 4 (actually I mistakenly numbered two items with #4) and 5. #6 There are plenty of references attested to the fact that scores of Arabs left their homes - including You Tube videos that show Palestinians admitting to this. #7 Most Arabs came from surrounding Arab countries to work for the British between WWI and WWII. Cont'd

[@boumar19721972]

@Itchhhh It's not because people can see the future they just can see how history repeats itself! Not because of some divine magic.LOL!

[@NewDaysOldWays1]

@888Kharami Absolutely...I totally agree!!!

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano LOL!! I'm not surprised that you're so versed in prescribing psycoactive drugs and even the effects of cannabis. Frankly speaking, I wouldn't know anything about them because I don't take them and neither do I raid medicine boxes to avail myself of their "treats". Your detailed knowledge of these drugs and doses must come from experience, huh? Once again, I challenge you to furnish links to where you have challenged your country's claim to ownership of its territory.

[@Titoscudd]

@DonVoghano First off my boy, I am not your "Bro". LOL!! Like I said, you are DEFINITELY a European. Prior to the establishment of your kingdoms which effectively stripped people of their ownership of the land they lived on and turned them into indentured servants or "serfs", who owned the land? This argument is EXACTLY what justified colonization and the expropriation of land by Europeans. Who determines what space is "unsettled"?