JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX MOVIE REACTION!! Joker 2 | Joaquin Phoenix | Lady Gaga | Spoiler Review

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[@jessetorres8738]

I actually didn't mind Joker 2 being a musical, but instead of it being a 2 & 1/2 hour movie about a trial for his crimes from the 1st movie it really should have been a Bonnie & Clyde like origin story about him & Harley.

[@ny8956]

Andrew always crosses his legs. I could never do that…my balls get in the way. Clearly not an issue for him ;)

[@Phantomiam]

Nightcrawler 2014

[@traydaniel0403]

I’m surprised that you guys even reacted to that God-Awful, disturbed, lazy writing, so-called “Sequel”. I really wished that you hadn’t even reacted to it 👎🏽. Todd should have left the first film (2019) alone.

[@slimeboytaytay.88-g9k]

Thank yall so very much for reacting to the movie I love joker so much joker forever 💚💜

[@hessu275]

Definitely mixed feelings. The direction is good and the cinematography. Joaquin gives a great performance again, but the script annoys me. It's obvious that Todd wasn't interested at all about Harley Quinn as a character or giving Lady Gaga a character where she could have act more. I mean I know she would have been able to act great if she was given a better character

[@SshMgp]

I think the problem also is that they cut a lot of Harley stuff. There were a lot of moments where you could see a scene was missing. With the motive left behind the scenes the character feels weird, but overall I enjoyed the film, its not as bad as could be, at least the cinematography and music were decent

[@Omarsh1692]

the direction and the script were the main problem of the film... Todd Phillips is a mediocre director that had 2 movies with luck

[@crazyratlady3026]

Lady Gaga singing Close To You actually made me cry. Such a beautiful voice

[@MikeArksard]

lmao get it together

[@crazyratlady3026]

@@MikeArksard Bye

[@rizeth_yt]

@@MikeArksardyou must be such a caring individual, Mike.

[@MikeArksard]

@@rizeth_yt clearly u like men

[@rizeth_yt]

@@MikeArksard I do indeed like men and women.

[@TheNraveles]

I loved this movie and i will die on this hill idc. It plays into music as therapy, delusions, dissociation, gaslighting and manipulation, and how the public perceives a person. He never was THE Joker, he was just the predecessor. He was a troubled man who tried to find solace in an identity but he didn’t want it because it was never him. When he rebuked the name, Lee and everyone else turned on him (Just like you guys did in the reaction too). It’s hella aware of itself and it was VERY well done.

[@christina8101]

Agreed

[@lethalparasocial9562]

Not trying to be disrespectful at all- but it’s wild to me that both the movie and its outcome played exactly like mental illness is taken in society. I have only heard men rave about the lack of violence. “We didn’t even move on from the first movie” When most of the time- violence doesn’t inherently become a part of someone, its a step in the wrong direction of a spectrum. To arthur he didn’t move on from the events of the first film- he doubled down on his dreams to be remembered while literally locked away! This movie was a gritty example of the government’s “rinse cycle repeat” ACTUALLY USED on those who are looked down on for being too “ill”. I think the straight edged audience needs to filter out for there to be a genuine conversation about this movie, not just hate watchers for musicals and lady gaga.

[@spiderjeff5845]

Guys I think you’re missing the point that this is a Joker film. I don’t think anyone would have an issue if it wasn’t related to Joker from Batman I mean come on. It’s ridiculous

[@notslimeyboi]

You make a good point, but the thing that everyone is angry about is the fact that the movie is called “Joker”. Imagine you buy a box that says it has chocolate cake inside, but after you buy it, you open it to see apple pie instead. It’s good stuff, but not at all what you wanted or prepared your tastebuds for.

[@dumbumbumbum8649]

@@spiderjeff5845 would still be a terrible, derivative slog if it wasn’t related to an IP

[@SirHeartbreakertheFirst]

Despite many people thinking a sequel was impossible, I truly believe a sequel could've worked. But... yeah... this isn't the version that works.

[@Johandafoe]

yeha i was 100% into the new sequel to to bad they dint lisen to the people

[@habitsrabbit]

​@@Johandafoebased Papa pfp

[@nicholaswright2011]

⁠​⁠@@Johandafoesame 💯💯💯

[@blacklite911]

The thing is, the creator didn’t want to make a sequel and didn’t think it should have a sequel and so it killed it. I honestly kinda respect it because it preserves the vision that he created. And my controversial take is that the creative has the right to steer their own vision even if the audience disagrees with the way it goes. Yea, it could have been a film that satisfies audience’s need for more comic book entertainment, it could’ve explored Harley Quinn and Harvey Dent and been a power fantasy about the trampled guy coming up in the world and gave you Easter eggs about stuff you know from the comics or cartoon and dangled another cinematic universe in front of you to keep you coming back for more…. But it’s not what he wanted for his vision and so he made this to kill the fantasy. Respect

[@WilliamJR123]

@@blacklite911 “how dare these awful fans of a DC character ask to see him interact with other DC characters, he’s just to good for that” Could’ve just said that and saved your thumbs some work.

[@josephcurtisyt]

I enjoyed it. He was never meant to be Joker. He was simply a sad man who thought he was gonna be more…..truly depressing art. Love it.

[@MikeArksard]

- a liar

[@Persephone_Personified]

No. He was joker. They decided they wanted to make a sequel and then decided he wasn’t Joker for shock value. If there was no sequel you’d say Joker wasn’t Joker in the movie Joker..? Ok Jan.

[@MikeArksard]

@@Persephone_Personified yeah hes just trying to cope lmao

[@joaquinmuniz3055]

@@Persephone_Personifiedexcept not really? When has Joker been some sort of hero to the poor people of Gotham or Revolutionary? Arthur is not an agent of chaos he thought he was some sort of Leader fighting injustice?

[@theghettoracle]

Finally someone gets it.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

Basically, this film is causing literal mixed feelings... which proved why many of us predicted a sequel was not necessary. If one could work, it's not like this.

[@notBrocker]

Eh maybe in a few years you’ll see why this sequel was great

[@Jermain_mc]

It's not the sequel, it's the fact Arthur went backwards from truly becoming the Joker. The Joker isn't one to take beating and walk away from it. These villains aren't supposed to be weak and helpless. I know he's not the Joker that fights Batman, but he's still Joker, or at least suppose to be

[@omegacytheartist]

Or people just don't genuinely like it and don't need time to see it is what you think it is. ​@notBrocker

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@notBrockerhahah no

[@IcebergLounge695]

The Batman part 2: "fine I'll carry DC myself"

[@leonelgarcia2651]

That's hilarious but true 😂

[@dimebag2102]

Dont forget Da Penguin

[@aka_15]

the batman part 1 is trash lol part 2 will be worse

[@MarvelJesus-h8e]

@@aka_150/10 rage bait

[@rolandomota415]

@@dimebag2102 the penguin is a hidden gem its starts off like the joker with him being a human punching bag but unlike joker 2 the penguin musters up the courage to become the villain that the DC universe needs

[@EleventhCubFan]

This isn’t the worst movie of the year as some people are saying, but it definitely is the most disappointing.

[@traydaniel0403]

It still is the worst movie though, because of the scripts

[@d-1381]

On the bright side all the "Omg Joker 2 is gonna beat Deadpool" comments became so much funnier.

[@October_JennJenn]

Very. The ending had me saying outloud, “f*ck this sh**!” 😂

[@alexp601]

I feel like I've seen almost all the 'worst' films of the year, but I couldn't finish watching Joker 2. I got halfway and gave up. So it's definitely up there for the very worst of the year for me.

[@EraAre-m7m]

@@October_JennJenn like what was the purpose behind all that love buildup, hype buildup, good story buildup, when in the end throws out to trash with joker in it too

[@eduardomoreno4196]

People are way to harsh on this film... I honestly think this is an amazing sequel that will have a cult following later on

[@kyledeguzman165]

Made no sense in the end and joker should’ve never been about the mental health bs people deal with in reality

[@TheNraveles]

@@kyledeguzman165oh shut up

[@kyledeguzman165]

@ or what you’ll flex more muscles instead of stepping in an mma gym and getting your little arms broke, yeah olay

[@kyledeguzman165]

@ okay

[@kyledeguzman165]

@ and you’re the one who doesn’t understand joker so quit talking so that your mouth can still eat normally

[@Zungentruppen]

The movie already on streaming? lol dang that was quick 😛

[@yusrieadams8280]

I know right, I’m so surprised

[@ox_trueprotagonistchrisred9085]

One thing I noticed. If a movie bombs at the movies, it gets released 2-3 weeks later on ITunes lol

[@TBS.tudios]

I saw it in theaters last night

[@tombwady3330]

Yea lately movies have gone digital pretty quickly after theatrical release. It's kinda neat honestly

[@nicolasbaron4506]

@@tombwady3330 It's been happening since the pandemic began.

[@unlit__ssunn]

I get the vision, and I sort of respect it in a way.. but having said that - the end-result was haphazardly executed, but with a few moments of brilliance. The Gary/Arthur scene remains the highlight of the movie for me.

[@dadaaxel3189]

Completely agree

[@LCDigital92]

The Gary/Arthur scene is my favorite

[@Wired4Life2]

Will undoubtedly get re-appraised over the years.

[@VGMR]

I'm never giving this pretentious 2hr musical a score higher than a 4/10. Even Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (2001) still makes more sense.

[@fynnthefox9078]

Tbh, I enjoyed it up to third act when Arthur got violated and denounced "Joker". He should've been Joker from the beginning of the film.

[@VGMR]

@@fynnthefox9078 He should've been Joker for the remainder of the film with his deranged girlfriend, and fans, across Gotham instead of what actually happened.

[@MrGlenbw]

Ehhhhh... NOPE.

[@-mapero6851]

This movie doesn't deserve hate, It's definitely a great art.

[@checks5607]

nobody wanna see art , i wanna see a good action thriller like the first movie

[@GigaChadsAreReal]

This is a whole new level of delusion

[@brradv3552]

@-mapero6851 people are only using the word "hate" because the movie flopped and need to fall back on the stock standard trend of blaming fans. Here's a crazy idea for the directors.... if you don't want to fail, don't ignore what fans want.

[@kyledeguzman165]

If it was great art 90% of people would think differently but I damn sure thought this movie was one of the unnecessary and bad ones

[@October_JennJenn]

It was disappointing.

[@jessetorres8738]

I actually didn't mind Joker 2 being a musical, but instead of it being a 2 & 1/2 hour movie about a trial for his crimes from the 1st movie it really should have been a Bonnie & Clyde like origin story about him & Harley.

[@blacklite911]

See that’s exactly what Todd Phillips did not want for the character. To be yet another popcorn blockbuster. You’re not invalid for wanted that, it could’ve been fun. But it really is not the point of the first film.

[@October_JennJenn]

Yes!

[@October_JennJenn]

@@blacklite911There were so many directions it could have gone. The ending was disappointing, and the musical numbers were just there to highlight Lady Gaga. Overkill.

[@lareh5501]

1:01:11 did they not notice that in the back is when he's giving himself, *_those scarrrrsss_*

[@RAMIR3Z0]

Dude. I was JUST about to comment this. They missed it 😂😂

[@real_Hamilton]

The problem I have with this movie is that they basically took away all the character development he made in the first movie. He reverted right back to the person he was at the very beginning. To him Joker is just a shadow aspect of his personality that he doesn't wanna embrace. Even though he spent the whole first movie building up to that point

[@lilaijj8444]

not being rude but I’m guessing that was the point of the film idk

[@Nicole-tk8xv]

I don't know why everyone loves to jump on the hate train for this movie but I thought this sequel was brilliant

[@Kanoog]

I don't know why people love to defend shitty movies, I watched this movie as a DC FAN and a Fan of Musicals, this movie failed at BOTH things. No way in hell you can convince me the musical numbers actually made scenes for their timing besides 1 maybe 2 at most. Story didn't progress the characters, it instead went backwards. It would be like if Clark Became Superman and in the second movie he is just Clark.

[@Nicole-tk8xv]

@@Kanoog thats why people have OPINIONS ON THINGS

[@theunknownuser9609]

@Nicole-tk8xv Same

[@brradv3552]

@Kanoog right? Opinions aside, the vast majority of people obviously didn't want this... but as per always, we're going to get the people who blame the movies failures on "toxic fans" .

[@kyledeguzman165]

Because you don’t understand the real joker compared to some mentally ill random man in reality that doesn’t do half of what Arthur fleck does

[@Hearingscroll80]

It wasn't bad, and the actors did tremendous but the first movie is so flawless it was always gonna be impossible to fully live up to that masterpiece.

[@Kanoog]

Welcome to the Minority, it's okay everybody has their own opinion, I'm just saying that one is a rare one.

[@October_JennJenn]

It was bad. It could’ve been so much better. Scaled down the musical numbers, and the ending was sh*t.

[@chiefyt9250]

The first film was Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy in Joker and Gotham paint. It was also too on the nose. This film was more sophisticated and nuanced. It also had more to say making it superior in my opinion.

[@chiefyt9250]

​@@October_JennJennBecause you don't get what the film is trying to say.

[@ReelRejects]

What character would you MOST like to see get the Elseworlds treatment in the coming DCU??

[@nebulous8389]

I always liked Batman in Victorian London vs Jack the Ripper......Or Batman by Dracula was an amazing comic!😊

[@traydaniel0403]

I’m surprised that you guys even reacted to that God-Awful, disturbed, lazy writing, so-called “Sequel”. I really wished that you hadn’t even reacted to it 👎🏽

[@ShaneCarey]

Animal Man

[@jimmybones231]

Keanu Reeves second iteration of John Constantine.

[@chiefyt9250]

​@@traydaniel0403Calm down incel. Your messiah disowned his alter ego and died at the end. Get over it.

[@Jademoon25]

I loved this film, I dont know why there was so much hate. The musical numbers played a specific function of representing Arthur's disassociated states. Also, I was never a Harley Quinn fan, but Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn- she was new and different and a breath of fresh air. The movie played out the moral of the story as simply, poetic justice.

[@TurboMaui]

“Why didn’t you tell me the dog was catholic” 😂 I unintentionally taught my dogs to wait by their bowl until I say “GO” so I can bless their meal before they chow down if I really want to. Now because of this movie I will now be praying for my dogs meals

[@Doverkin]

Love Lady Gaga's voice

[@saikikdosntexist]

you should go to a lady gaga concert then

[@AllInTheGame01]

Don't think many would've had The Wild Robot a few wks ago out-grossing the sequel to the $1.08bn Joker movie esp after Universal stupidly made it available so early on digital release!

[@joychatterjee6571]

The aspect ratio changes to identify what is real and what is in Arthur's mind. A brilliant touch by the director. Brilliant film.

[@SiriuslyBlack7]

It wasn't as bad as i heard it would be,but my expectations were already very low.That's because I feel that Joker did NOT warrant or need a sequel of any kind,and the decision to make this was based solely on the box office numbers of the original.

[@JosephMan485]

You could see Arthur splitting his personality when Gary was there. He was mean to him and then was like WTF when Gary accused him of doing that to him.

[@JosephMan485]

I hate Lady Gaga's character for rejecting Arthur like that.

[@Phillipguy034]

This really isn't the movie for comic book references

[@Kanoog]

This also isn't the movie for people who like musicals, storylines or sequels that progress the story.

[@gudhaxer41343]

This movie isnt for critics, casual audiences, comicbook fans, batman fans, joker fans, musical fans.

[@Persephone_Personified]

@@Kanoog this movie also isn’t for living breathing humans with eyes and brains. It makes me tired. So very very tired.

[@TheNraveles]

@@Kanoogso you have no brain to even watch a movie then? it’s very easy to watch

[@CallumMyers1995]

I’m in the minority cause I liked this movie

[@Dexedus]

Good for you dude. I am jealous because I feel like I am missing 2 hours of my life I will never get back

[@vladimirjak8971]

I liked the film too, I do see why the musical numbers don't work but there is subliminal messaging in some of the music numbers that act as Aurther's psyche trying to warn him about Harley. Overall, I still think the film worked for me and I still hold the 4/5 score I experienced when I saw it.

[@JJW-0]

I saw it in IMAX and I actually really enjoyed the film. I didn’t go in expecting a MCU type treatment for future films being affected by this one. It’s its own project.

[@TBS.tudios]

I think 80% of the film is super good but that last 20% just made me feel awful

[@rizeth_yt]

@@TBS.tudiosthat’s a good thing, movies aren’t meant to make you happy all the time

[@Humanipathic]

I loved this film. And die on this hill. Brilliance was unappreciated and missed cause of unrealistic expectations and fan entitlement. I mean forget the musical part, just an extension of the thoughts and feelings of characters. I enjoyed the story. Everyone wanted Joker and got the tragedy that is Arthur Fleck who no one cared about like irl. Harley obsession of him only and turned her back on him despite knowing what he went through and like audience sympathy vanished upon realization couldn’t claim joker hearing what he had done and wanted to be liked for who he was, Guy unknown origin at end killls him becomes Joker. It’s an ideology. No one cared about Arthur so no one will care if someone else claims it they’ll gravitate to him. He was never gonna be agent of chaos terrorist. And 65 yr old Arthur never fighting Batman when he grew up.

[@mightguy3118]

If he was never going to be an agent of chaos or even a villain then why the hell was this named joker? It's like making a movie about boxing then naming it Spider-Man

[@specificsoup]

I mean, at the end of the movie we get the origin of the presumably real joker. I think it’s fun to have bait and switch twists sometimes. Joker 1 is already, IMO, clearly not about THE comic Joker. I thought people who were watching the sequel had accepted that, then I guess they’re mad again that he’s not the real joker

[@Humanipathic]

@@mightguy3118Joker is an ideology. There’s also a story of 3 Jokers in comics. Spiderman has powers. That is apples to oranges. Joker can be used as a disposition

[@brradv3552]

"Fan entitlement" .... really???? You do realize the fans are the ones who give the people making these movies money, right? You go in a direction that "joker" fans don't like and you've got a flop..... fans should always be the focus because without fans, the people making these movies would have nothing.

[@Humanipathic]

@@brradv3552 Fan entitlement. Period. Thank you, You just proved my point.

[@mastaovdafist3551]

I actually liked this more than the first film. It came off like a dark redemption tale for Arthur. Seeing his backstory in the first film, I never wanted him to be Joker. I felt he wasn't evil enough to take on what comes with being that larger than life character. So I love that he chose to reject The Joker even though it would mean that he'd have both sides hating him. Anyone can be the Joker, even Arthur, but he got out before he became someone even worse than he was. A different take for a sequel that I was not expecting, but pleasantly enjoyed

[@traydaniel0403]

I love the first film way better. The God-Awful, terrible, so-called sequel never should’ve been made

[@mastaovdafist3551]

@traydaniel0403 the first one was alright, nothing super special in my eyes. But hey, different strokes for different folks 🫡

[@kevthepoet]

I actually love the first ten minutes of Joker 2.

[@matthewmartin4394]

Tara maybe forgets that Joaquin sang in Walk the Line & stunned audiences w/his singing chops. So yeah, he can hold his own vocally.

[@Ebyruchan]

I really enjoyed this film, and for me it just all came together with the final scene because I always felt like Arthur just wasn't really "Joker," especially since he only took on that identity for a short period of time. For me, the guy who kills him and then cuts his mouth open while laughing maniacally was the real Joker, and would be closer in age to Bruce Wayne (from the 1st film), so he's the reason that Arthur never appealed to the comic book fanatics. As a fan of both film and comic books (and their adaptations), I thought this was great. And Lady Gaga's Harley ditching Arthur at the end only cemented my belief that he wasn't the true joker, seeing as he was constantly chasing after her instead of the other way around like we're used to. But that's just my theory! thank you for reacting to this! edit: I'd also like to point out that the way Arthur goes non-verbal after the guards assault him, seems like they probably SA'd him as well. And it would have been great if he followed his lawyer's advice to mention the horrible conditions in there.

[@TheTrashStash]

they shoulda called this one Joker smokes cigarettes in jail

[@LiberPater777]

+gets gas graped.

[@1tjn]

Actually it took me until now to actually understand the movie and its direction and made me like it more even tho i didn’t like the musical except as much as

[@soberunboxing4837]

I got to be honest. This is a good movie. Got a lot of hate. When you realize this isn't "the joker" and is the inspiration for the joker you'll like the movie better.

[@nicolasbaron4506]

I agree with folks that this sequel did not to be made, but those who are saying it's the worst comic book film/or movie in general" is being way too overdramatic. There are worse movies out there.

[@vordt4139]

but not worse comic book movies, lol.

[@zaybo2x71]

@@vordt4139 *saying this before I watch it* damn it’s worse than Madame Web?

[@October_JennJenn]

I think more than anything, it was disappointing to see where this went, after the brilliance of the first film.

[@horrormoviereactions]

@@vordt4139 Wonder Woman 1984 has entered the chat.

[@mrsalty8050]

@@vordt4139think before you speak

[@brainfragrances]

'I set fire to my parents apartment building' Andrew: 'YES! that's how it's done!'

[@brainfragrances]

few moments later: 'I hope you get cancer' Andrew: 'YEEEEEES!'

[@evilkittylover16]

Such a great movie! The hater train was crazy on this one!

[@rr-ui5my]

such a bad movie the hater train was right on this one

[@syedafzal101]

This movie is undeniably a masterpiece. Many people fail to grasp its core message, but in time, they will come to understand its significance, much like they did with 'Shawshank.'

[@noteliassmith]

Shawshank got nominated for 7 Oscars. Pretty sure people understood its significance back then.

[@syedafzal101]

@@noteliassmith Yeah, just because it was nominated for seven Oscars doesn't mean it was a hit. Actually, it was a tank at the box office and considered a flop. After winning the Oscar, people began watching it on DVD. I'm sure 'The Joker 2' can easily be nominated for 3-4 Oscars, including Best Actor (name), Cinematography, and Screenplay.

[@noteliassmith]

@syedafzal101 it disappointed at the box office, but it was still critically acclaimed at the time. Joker 2 is a flop AND lambasted by critics. As for Oscars, Joker 2 will be lucky to get cinematography, and that's it. The screenplay certainly isn't getting anything. Adapted Screenplay is full with likely BP nominees like Sing Sing, Conclave, Dune 2 and Emilia Pérez, followed by heavy-hitters like Nickel Boys, Queer, The Room Next Door, A Complete Unknown...all much more "prestige" films than Joker 2. The acting isn't going to be commended either. Even if Phoenix hadn't sabotaged his own reputation among the industry by leaving the Haynes project that HE wanted to make, and even if the top 4 of the Best Actor category wasn't already locked up (Adrien Brody, Ralph Fiennes, Colman Domingo, Timothee Chalamet even if A Complete Unkown is a critical flop), he would be facing off against people in better-reviewed and more appreciated films like Washington in The Piano Lesson, Craig in Queer, Stan in either The Apprentice or a Different Man, and Hoult in Juror #2. Again, cinematography is the film's only shot at an Oscar nod, and even then, it's far from safe.

[@brradv3552]

@syedafzal101 The majority of people obviously disagree. the movie wouldn't have flopped if it was a "masterpiece".

[@JohnnyJustice777]

​​@@syedafzal101the balls on you to put it on the same category as Shawshank. I like how there were triggered people climbing the hate bandwagon during its theatrical run. Now we have a bunch of douche bags claiming it as a masterpiece. Ill tell you the truth: The first movie itself is mediocre. The only reason people even fondly remember it is due to the joker scenes. Just remove joker from the movie and name it Arthur and noone would give a f*ck. So basically, Todd Philips swindled the audience into watching a mediocre movie in the hope of getting some Joker scenes. As someone who is not a joker fan, the movie was not a good experience for me. Joker 2 has ideas, but ideas alone don't make a movie. The execution of said ideas is still godawful. Let me tell you something: This is the same filmmaker who thought that people were not smart enough to figure out that the scenes with Zazie Beats was in Arthur's imagination and he had to put a scene to show it, when you could convey the meaning with just her surprised reaction. Sh*t like that was why I hated the first movie. Because it was a pretentious art film that was saved by the IP.

[@TheTrashStash]

the madness of two title might seem like its about harley, but its really about arthur and joker. the me and my shadow type of thing from the beginning.

[@Ralph_ralphster]

49:53 I would’ve LOVED if Gary shouted “I HAD TO ASK YOU TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR ME” after that part

[@profr2]

Joker 2 is the great example of not every movie deserves a sequel

[@smiffy68]

It serves as a giant middle finger to people like you.

[@rasmuspedersen3563]

So is Predator 2, The Descent 2, Jaws 2, The Crow 2, Speed 2, From Dusk til Dawn 2

[@hadoken95]

@@rasmuspedersen3563 Predator 2 was fine. The rest...

[@rasmuspedersen3563]

@@hadoken95 Im still so confused about how on earth they landed a space ship in a giant city... And other stuff...

[@profr2]

​@@smiffy68 It's trash, quit glazing

[@vipertiger6716]

"What a complete and total waste of everybody's time," someone said it in theater. Is not a bad movie. Is just not what we expected

[@Jermain_mc]

I didn’t expect Arthur to let walk over him. He definitely isn’t the Joker we know and expected

[@ShatteredIce]

No, it's a pretty bad movie.

[@Reelfilms1998]

I wont say this movie is flawless or anything like that, but i love how it dives farther into his psychy

[@BudJr]

As a guy who loves musicals, and was looking forward to this, I was very disappointed. This movie is not a musical. It’s a movie where at certain points, the story just stops, the actors sing/dance, and then the movie starts again. In real musicals, the music is there to enhance the story. The songs are actually necessary in musicals. If you took away the songs in this movie, the already confusing story wouldn’t change at all. Also, for everyone saying people just have mixed feelings about this movie are wrong. It’s literally the lowest rated comic book based movie in television history. FREAKING MADAM WEB GOT A HIGHER RATING! Critics, and audiences agree that this movie is terrible.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

Well, it reminded me of old Bollywood movies, where they suddenly cut to these musical interludes. Except, even the songs were terrible. I don't understand, did Phoenix sing this bad on purpose? It's such a terrible idea when most of your movie is composed of these songs

[@BudJr]

@ I’ve heard him sing before, he’s no Lady Gaga, but he has a nice voice. He’s a pretty good singer. I read an article that said the directors told him not like sing like himself, he needed to sing like the Joker. Apparently the Joker can’t sing, because he sounded terrible. Lady Gaga is an amazing singer, but her beautiful voice still didn’t make the songs sound any better.

[@Kanoog]

ME TOO! Thank YOU, people who are fans of musicals understand that the MUSIC is meant to progress the story in a fun way, this movie, they didn't do anything besides distract from the movie itself. It would be like for a easy example in The Lion King, if instead of singing "I can't wait to be King" he sang "Dancing in the Rain" during a sunny day.

[@BudJr]

@@Kanoog That Lion King comparison is perfect😂. The first movie wasn’t even a musical, but the music was way better. Actually, I think one of the main reasons the movie was so successful was because of the unique and dark score.

[@Gaynggayng707]

See I was thinking about this, regular musicals usually flow into songs but this was at random times which I felt made a little sense, I mean in the beginning they mention that music is an escape for some people, so I just assumed them imagining these “musical numbers” in their heads is just a defense or coping mechanism during a emotional moment. I could be stretching tf outta this honestly, I understand why the movie didn’t do good but I also really want to love this movie as much as the first one😂

[@RS-bn1ty]

I think people forget that Joker is mentally not ok in any universe lol so this even being somewhat of a musical in his mind makes total sense. I think they did a good job portraying mental health and how it affects everyone differently. I still feel this role would have been hard for Joaquin since he’s been very vocal about his mental health. I don’t think it’s the worst movie ever made lol

[@MikeArksard]

I think people care more about the execution being terrible lol

[@MaskMan-bx6kr]

I'm glad you two enjoyed because I really liked it too

[@MatthewGurtner]

I love this one. Don’t get all the hate I thought it would be more split like Star Wars the last Jedi

[@thinkbeyond3457]

Not the Joker movie I wanted, but loved it for what it was. More of an art piece expressing emotional conflict and madness through the musical bits (which were not meant to be award winning numbers).

[@justafidemyself]

Ironically, Smile 2 is everything I wanted out of Joker 2.

[@TheTrashStash]

all joking aside i actually liked the movie. its not the best movie ever or anything, but i appreciate that its a moral dilemma. he only really went insane from society in the first one. take him out of society and he's a lot more peaceful. but now he can have a girlfriend if he pretends to be insane, plus mobs of anarchists who look up to him. he doesnt want to stand for that. he never believed in it, he was just reacting to society. so it all comes down to an ending kind of like the movie flight where he has to tell the truth because he can not live with the lie.

[@MRLUTHOOOR]

He wasn’t the mascot. That’s the point. No one ever saw authur. First one he was a nobody. Second one he was joker. Point. None of us cared about fleck

[@JosephMan485]

The guy who stabbed Arthur was a sick and sadistic M.F.

[@DUNZODaDON]

The E258 is homage to the debut not for joker..but for Arkham asylum. Series 258 of batman was the first introduction to arkham asylum 😅

[@theoneandonlyoni]

The way I see it, Joker is a Tulpa, a thought monster that used Arthur to give itself life. Like Freddy or Pennywise, Malevolent Tulpa exist because of humanities belief in their existence. And by Naming them you make them the most powerful of all, Like Arthur giving Joker a name.. Arthur admits he and joker are separate and he’s not Joker. But by then the Tulpa, or persona, that Arthur gave life to had gotten too powerful and infected others. Then when Arthur no longer needed or wanted the Joker, and actually denied the Joker person by running away from the jokers that were trying to help break him out of the courthouse, Then The Tulpa turned against Arthur and ultimately killed its creator... Doesn’t change the fact that the movie isn’t that good, but it’s my way of justifying the logic and unanswered questions...

[@kyledeguzman165]

Pennywise and Freddy didn’t have some mental health bs nonsense in the end of their series so the comparison isn’t the best, This joker doesn’t and never has existed because joker has never been about regular mental health and lessons about life

[@theoneandonlyoni]

Freddy caused trauma to the kids of Elm St, and through their trauma he gave himself power as an entity.. Pennywise caused trauma, and fed on the trauma and fear, of the kids of Derry, and through their trauma it gave itself power as an entity.. Joker, separate from Arthur, fed on the Trauma of Arthur and Gotham, and through his trauma Joker gave itself power as an entity.. I think you’re misunderstanding, either intentionally or unintentionally, because you believe Arthur is the Joker, and Arthur embody Joker at times, But Joker is never Arthur, Joker is its own entity now, And in the form of the other inmate at the end Joker Kills Arthur for denying it...

[@Almentikk]

I was very disappointed by this film. It felt hollow. Nothing felt committed to. We were given half ideas and they didn't push the story. Just as some scenes were getting tense, they would change scene. Just as they were giving us story, they would start singing an unrelated song. I just think some tweaks would have VASTLY improved this film. Like, we know Arthurs 'thing' in the first film is tv. He loves tv, he loves comedy. Its his everything. Not music. If we had the film focus on Lee, focus on her obsession, her mental health - it would have worked easier!

[@patrickdurling2712]

The fact that only 41k people watched this reaction says A LOT. Y'all get way more views on most videos, especially DC/Marvel ones.

[@joshuafult84]

Yeah but it's not suprising everyone knows this movie did bad

[@imisaiah06]

I was someone who came out liking this movie. not loving it. Only liked it. For me it’s a 6/10. There are a lot of people who say that this movie has no plot or message to into those people. I say that they’re wrong. The Movies message and themes is identity. Arthur throughout the movie is struggling with his identity and who he truly is. To the guards and his lawyer that he fires he’s a mentally insane person that she’s just trying to help, to the prison guard. He’s just a nobody prisoner that has no significance, to Harley he’s joker is larger than life figure. That’s why and the end of the movie when Harley breaks up with him and says “all we had was a fantasy, but you gave it up”. That’s her telling him that she wasn’t in love with Arthur she was in love with joker and the idea of it. That’s why she kept telling him throughout the movie “you’re joker you can do whatever you want”.

[@hahatoldyouso]

I really enjoyed this movie…might not have been to everyone’s taste but certainly didn’t deserve half the hate it received

[@marcosavalos2502]

It deserves exactly half the hate it gets lol

[@amy_yoshikawa]

Quintin Tarantino loved it.

[@kevthepoet]

​@@amy_yoshikawahe also said Todd Phillips was the Joker and the victims were the fans of the first movie and the studio that paid for it. He loves it but he knows that he's loving a deliberately bad, or at least deliberately triggering, movie. "Is Joker your hero? How's about you watch him get **** and abused?" Of course Tarantino loves it, he's an edgelord who likes good cinematography. But that doesn't mean it's a good movie.

[@jigsawlover1984]

The movie that Arthur and Lee are watching when Lee starts the fire is The Band Wagon (1953).

[@shiitakehappens6194]

Steve Coogan and Katherine Keener making an appearance in the same movie together again was the highlight for me. Hamlet 2 was better than this movie.

[@robertmckay5325]

30:35 he literally played Johnny Cash

[@Tater4200]

Joker played Johnny cash......... cmon ... she was saying JOKER is not known in a dam musical

[@MvstarSal]

I think people expected this to be Arthur embracing Joker and going on a rampage, but sadly, that wasn't it (i still think it was a good movie)

[@Kanoog]

Instead all we got was Arthur going back 30 steps from the first movie, rehashing the old movie, musical numbers that disrupt the story without adding to it and a shitty ending. I'm a fan of DC and Musicals, this movie did nothing for me.

[@MvstarSal]

​@Kanoog yeah and i understand why people hate this movie but for me i just didn't hate it like everyone else i thought it was good but i understand the hate

[@October_JennJenn]

@@KanoogAMEN!

[@PeverellTheThird]

Why did people expect this when not one trailer promised this?

[@jmiyagi12345]

Haven't finished the movie yet, but REALLY enjoyed what I've seen so far. People crapping on something because it's not what they would have done are hilarious.

[@michaelmcculloch5957]

Arkham Asylum first appearance in Batman comics was issue 258 (Arthur’s cell number) 👌🏻

[@gsarngad]

I'm glad I stuck around for the Patreon shout-out. Kudos to John for mentioning The Donnas. You rarely even heard about them in the early 2000s , when they were at their most popular. I saw them live twice; once at Lollapalooza 2003 and once at the 9:30 Club in DC the night before Thanksgiving either that year or in '04.

[@bigbird908]

Movie is far from perfect and I got my issues with about 20 minutes of unnecessary musicals.. but beyond that, it was a pretty interesting film. [Spoils below] The fact that the people are let down or pissed with Arthur Fleck not being the Joker in film, to which they attack or abandon him is definitely kinda brilliant where that's kinda what happened in real life.

[@artdolly]

i don’t know much of the backstory between harley and joker before they got together, but i do like the fact that they’re playing into the fact that he uses the joker and fantasies to escape the trauma because it’s the same with harley, at least that’s what was shown in birds of prey

[@MatthewGurtner]

Why people don’t like the ending is the guy in the background (the guy who killed him) was carving a smile in his face and laughing like heath ledger. Meaning that he was the real joker and Arthur was just a guy. I wasn’t sure if you both realized that.

[@k3n12ock]

please dont ever think its like Heaths joker ..

[@vordt4139]

@@k3n12ock We don't "think" it is. that is literally what they said.

[@MatthewGurtner]

@ I didn’t the movie did. And I’m not hinting I’m flat out saying that’s what it was supposed to be.

[@-IIIpARxIII-]

It's pretty obvious that was the meaning of the ending. That's part of why so many people don't like this movie.

[@MatthewGurtner]

@@vordt4139 exactly.

[@specificsoup]

Ohhh did y’all miss the guy cutting his face in the background after killing Arthur? He is the son. He is the “real Joker” now. What Todd Phillips said now makes so much sense. Arthur inspired that guy to be the joker, in a sense. I am not sure if Arthur had a visitor at the end at all or if that was in his head too, but I suspect it wasn’t Harley Quinn. I don’t think they rly had s*x. I think she’s real, but he projected a lot of fantasies on her and probably 70% or more? of their interactions are imagined, imo. She was like the push in his head to be Joker, which is why she walks away and leaves when he doesn’t want that anymore.

[@roywilson4514]

The son? The son of who? Dont be so stupid

[@BelieveInJMH]

Great video! I think you two approached the review in a very balanced & fair manner, something so many others refuse to engage in for some reason. I personally loved this film and would watch it again, and that's okay to say lol jeez. Obviously like any movie, not everyone will enjoy it as much as the next person. Personally, I don't think people are being honest with themselves on why they disliked this movie. I think in this age of cultural bandwagons, it can become extremely easy to forgo honest reflection and analysis. People prefer to blame the filmmakers as that is much easier to do.

[@blacklite911]

I didn’t watch it but from this, it’s not as bad as Greg said it was. It’s definitely not a movie if you loved the Joker or rather the character of the Joker but it was about being brought back to reality both for Arthur Fleck, for the other characters who worshipped him and for the audience who worshipped the character. Reality is he did some bad shit to some who deserved it but to others who didn’t, he went to the prison system that is terrible and he got killed, which happens. It’s unceremonious because hey, that’s life. And I respect that. I kinda like films that displays cold hard reality. (Btw, I do like the Joker and he’s an excellent villain).

[@October_JennJenn]

Too bad he’s not the joker. 😢

[@gaba-goo3733]

16:51 BEST PART

[@Chrys123Historia]

I thought the film was awesome. I also think many forgot it was not taken from the comic book.

[@DocFranke]

lmao of course it wasn't test screened. if it was we wouldn't have had a musical for sure

[@lightscameronreaction6860]

This wasn’t even that bad it was decent.

[@besupaaa]

If i wanted to watch a recap of the first movie, id just watch the first movie again. I was already not feeling the movie but that assult scene just broke me, i had nothing in me after that. What a wild direction for the movie to go.

[@slimeboytaytay.88-g9k]

Thank yall for reacting to the movie I been waiting for so long joker forever 💚💜

[@simontate1262]

I loved it. its a complete metaphorical trip.

[@AtlantaGuns]

Did I enjoy it? Yes, incredible performances Was it the joker sequel I wanted? No

[@BakesKamuari]

He doesn’t kill anybody in the movie and it’s all in his head where he kills someone

[@frostyj3931]

I understand the concept they went with, the musical choice was perfect, the actors were fine, the message was clear and subtle. You need to view it as if it's Arthur's story and not joker's one. Everything was fine, the execution kinda sucks. Also the audience expectations for this movie was about another joker origin story with harley but what we had was the film tell us that audience dont care about who arthur is but they want him to be the crazy killer. He really is an everyday nobody who has his own personal trauma but we saw him as an symbol of protest which led us to support for the joker side of him but he was just a nobody in a mask trying to lash out in anger but when he realises he has become nothing more that those wronged him after talking to Gary he accepts he isn't the joker he wanna be so he dreams about having a perfect son who would be this cold psychotic monster in every way and not a human like arthur. It's not an explicit message like the 1st part but still had the guts to point the audience and ask who do you care for?? I was disappointed toi btw but i also liked the direction they went. The title of the movie should've been arthur Or fleck

[@noecruz3565]

How disgusting and terrible was the rape scene. Poor Arthur, he didn't deserve that or anything that happened to him 😢🥺😭😤😡

[@StevenPrime1988]

I enjoyed this movie. People love to hate because it’s the cool thing to do. No one had any original thought. I heard so many people say this movie bad reviews I don’t want to see. How stupid do you have to be to where you can form your own opinion. I would give this movie a solid 7 or 8 out of 10

[@Electrifize]

Agreed, same goes for Madame Web. That film is a 10/10. Critics just think their badass

[@real_Hamilton]

​@@ElectrifizeYeah sure... You're probably one of those no taste having people who holds autotune to a higher regard than real singers who actually sing naturally. And saying Madame Web is a 10/10 is like saying poop smells good..

[@Electrifize]

@@real_Hamilton I was being sarcastic, lol

[@gamermoviedude5533]

What happened if I watched the movie and didn’t like it? Am I lying?

[@StevenPrime1988]

@@gamermoviedude5533 that’s ok. I was talking about the people who chose not to see it because someone told them it was bad.

[@yairangelrosasrosas]

Personally I loved the movie and consider it the best of 2024 and I'm tired of pretending it isn't It's sad that movies like this are hated but terrible things like Venom Part 3 are praised Good reaction, I'm glad they weren't so hard on it 😅

[@reconsoldier135]

Christian Bale got so skinny for The Machinist it had lasting health implications

[@TheNraveles]

30:35 Joaquin maybe but Joker is actually VERY well known for singing. That’s one of his main things in the shows and in the comics

[@David-cg1lh]

Joaquin is also a very good signer so she's wrong on both counts.

[@Kahronie]

I don’t care I…..liked it. Just wished they actually let Gaga Act. Also stream “Gonna Build A Mountain”

[@specificsoup]

Tbh I actually liked this. I have critiques like I would with almost any movie and it’s definitely not like, my FAVORITE but I QUITE enjoyed the ending of this and several moments were really powerful. I thought that the first movie already made it clear this isn’t “Joker-joker”. It’s using the characters from Batman to tell a different story.

[@chancecrimin]

The ending would've been so much better if it had shown Arthur walking up to tell the guards a joke and then killing them. At least they could've left it open-ended, and the guards get what they deserved. I don't feel like Arthur got what he deserved in this, and I think that's where the criticism for the movie stems from. It's less that it's a bad movie, and more a bad take in the last half.

[@k3n12ock]

If this was just another movie w/o anything DC/BATMAN/JOKER related, it may have been decent but connecting it to those made this quite disappointing, especially since I was one of the people who really thought it'd be cool with GaGa and it being more or less a musical...

[@christina8101]

As someone who deals with mental health issues such as DID (multiple personality disorder), dissociation disorder, I thought this film was perfect. People forget this is not meant to be a true Joker based film. It is a character study for mental health, society and more. It always has been. If the real Joker movie is what people want, why not just watch the many films with him in it. Just my opinion -

[@Андрей-м8и3и]

100%

[@JoeChillton]

What a fucking waste. You can be subversive but how you maintain the film is by being ENTERTAINING, look at Gremlins 2. Dante didn't wanna make it but he was lured back to do anything and by that, he made a classic and it's as good as the first.

[@zionmiller1749]

I really don’t understand why a lot of people hated this one. I guess people went in with huge expectations. I actually enjoyed it. Yeah they’re were a few problems but that’s with every film. Some of people’s points that they wanted in the film I understand why they wanted that but at the same time I don’t really care

[@noahrwil]

Gotta be honest, I loved this movie so much

[@austinewing397]

I genuinely believe Todd Phillips purposefully made this movie so bad because him and Joaquin didn’t even want to do a sequel In the first place

[@jadedaces]

My only complaint on this movie is the run time, but I honestly can’t say where I’d shave that time off from. I love how in-your-face the message is, but also so misunderstood the movie was. I’m still addicted to the soundtrack.

[@emanoelfoicinho8839]

Fun fact: lady Gaga had to unlearn how to sing cause Harley is not a trained singer