Steven Universe Isn’t Bad, You Guys Are Just Dumb (feat. Veridis Joe)

[@RoundtableVids]

VERIDIS JOE: kzbin.info/door/EOZcVBaCjZAOZYZS-6d3Mw THUMBNAIL ART BY ARTWITHKODA: instagram.com/artwithkoda/ kzbin.info/door/zNnvLLuJ7qhu1c9-_d5oKg 0:00 - Intro 4:10 - Enter Veridis Joe 7:47 - Good Criticisms 14:56 - Bad Criticisms 29:43 - You Haven't Watched Steven Universe 38:16 - The Bandwagon (on Both Sides) 47:44 - The PSAs 51:15 - You're Getting Old 53:22 - Steven Universe is a Stepping Stone (Conclusion)

[@hectormgarduzardz]

hi

[@hannahharkey699]

ok

[@Jablinnn]

Watermelon

[@Indo-Fury6521]

Steven universe and Steven universe future change my life forever I was just a loser with no purpose in life I no one never loved me or care but when Steven universe came out it changed my life the show gave me purpose for once in my whole life this show gave me a reason to live and love to see things for what things really are and stuff like that and this is why Steven universe and Steven universe future is the Greatest show of all time in history I hope that this show gets amazing reboot like she ra did and thank you Rebecca sugar for making Steven universe

[@wakspacific6928]

Lilly Orchard Enough said

[@starrynight669]

Just remember people: Critique doesn't equal hate! You can still love the show and point out its flaws

[@prizmarvalschi1319]

Exactly! If you truly love something, you're willing to see and acknowledge the flaws

[@MarcDoesNotKnow]

This! I love the show, it helped me pass through difficult times, but it still has flaws.

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

The thing is, hating it labels you as a transphobe

[@catzlover7]

I have a lot of critques of SU, but still love the show

[@star7communicator]

Critiquing something you love just means you want to see it improve, at least for me it does lol

[@UnKnown-bo8ce]

Some random person: "FUSION IS *SEX!!!* " *Steg Universe nervously sweats.*

[@LycanMOON]

Yeah it’s weird how people say it’s sex when it’s clearly not.people just don’t understand

[@alexiaivan7708]

I think it is even a more profound connection, since it’s a spiritual, as well as physical connection

[@hi_mynameis76]

Fusion is representative of any type of relationship, and I’m sure some of them could be sexual. That doesn’t mean that every fusion is. Steg is father/son relationship. Smoky Quartz is Best Friend relationship. Sunstone is master/student relationship.

[@klenstdp1737]

@@LycanMOON Rebecca sugar said it was

[@entimoreng]

AAAAAAAHHHHHH

[@sunshineartz1926]

So it's basically the Frozen of TV shows. It's been seven years since Frozen came out and I still hear people talk about how it's one of the worst movies and it's overrated when in all reality, the only time I see it talked about is when people are talking about they hate it

[@xblade149]

Yeah pretty much. While I think frozen is a good movie, I find tangled way better than frozen.

[@sunshineartz1926]

@@xblade149 Frozen isn't better than Tangled, and Tangled isn't better than Frozen. The two are both really good movies with good characters and messages. I really wish that people would stop constantly comparing them like if Frozen is good then Tangled is bad and visa versa. And your opinion that Tangled is better than Frozen is valid because it is your opinion!

[@xblade149]

@@sunshineartz1926 I should've been clear. In my personal opinion I think tangled is better frozen. But don't get me wrong I still love frozen and I think its good. But you're right, I hate when people bandwagon on hate . Or used I don't like the show because its popular excuse that grinds my gears

[@lemoncucumber9832]

I used to love the show. Then I found the criticism- the huge pile of it. A lot of it felt quite patronizing because they would have titles like Steven universe sucks or whatever, so of course I wrote it off. But- I forced myself to finally watch it. It really pissed me off.... at first. The thing was if I really looked at it, it was all true. The show let me down. I saw all the flaws and the problematic parts of the show. I felt let down because I realized the true potential of the show, and how much it had failed me. Even If you like the show, I’d recommend you look into it, just to understand where I’m coming from. (I completely understand there is a lot of crappy criticism, that is not valid to me/ like the fusion=sex stuff, that’s all just bad. But dont write all the criticism off. There are some really big problems with the show. I don’t want to make anyone hate the show, i just want people to look at things critically sometimes too.)

[@sunshineslowking5025]

@@xblade149 you know what's weird? people always compare it to tangled. like no one ever says they liked alladin or the lion king better than frozen. idk why

[@K1ttyGam3r]

While the show is not perfect, it still holds a special place in my heart. I used to _love_ watching Steven Universe with my brother when I was younger.

[@Emir_Duzler]

it is not bad but i still can not accept apeasing space fascists

[@K1ttyGam3r]

@@Emir_Duzler Yeah the ending was hella rushed (though that’s to be expected because CN cut the show short due to the atrocious crime-sarcasm btw-that is representing gay marriage in a show)

[@greenninja61]

She said facistly

[@monacaandmonika2230]

Steven universe was one of the first shows I had a passion for. Steven universe made me feel happy. I will never stop being a fan. Edit: also Steven universe help realize that you are never to old to like a cartoon. Now I love cartoons again.

[@CedricThePlaystation]

Well, to each their own. Same here my friend

[@brandonseupersad7916]

I resonated with the pilot, but then it got scrapped and something broke inside me. I got back into the show after episode 1 released.

[@elebrony]

MLP: FIM did those things for me.

[@unripetheberrby6283]

That's amazing. :)

[@unripetheberrby6283]

@@elebrony Yeah, similar with me.

[@rabbideadpool5190]

I love Steven Universe but I will criticize it to my hearts content, but it doesn’t come from a place of apathy but an understanding that it could’ve been even better.

[@starrynight669]

@@94DeathAngel cinnamon sons?

[@genyakozlov1316]

@@94DeathAngel This falls apart when most "sins" they find are either nitpicks, jokes, or them blatantly misremembering the plot while showing how incorrect they are IN THE FOOTAGE THEY USE. Cinemasins don't actually want movies to be better, because that would make it harder for them to make content. Not that this will actually ever happen, as you can nitpick anything for any amount of "sins" if you want, so their video are no indication of the movie's writing quality. Their videos are entertaining, but don't confuse them for criticism. Even the creators of the channel said they're satirical.

[@stevenrogers2684]

@@genyakozlov1316 uh yeah. Cinema Sins mocking is entertainment. Doesn’t everyone know that? I still see the movies, but I like the criticisms.

[@lenardbordo9838]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. The fact that this show had so much potential that remains unused and that is a shame.

[@matt0044]

“Wasted potential” feels like a subjective term made out to be objective. Maybe you thought it could’ve been better but even if others agree, some will disagree with how it could have been. Hell, if you could “fix” the show, it might piss people off who like it as is.

[@Peridot5xg]

*[It's an inevitable fact, to be honest. Even the most beloved and kind person in the universe can't be accepted by the masses. Just look at Ruby and Aquamarine, and many others who still hate Steven to this day. And if you think that's bad, just look at Steven's community...]*

[@Helehache]

You have reason. ¿Can I say something to You? I see you in a Lot of English and Spanish videos about Steven Universe. ¿Where You from?

[@jirodensetsu1948]

Lol

[@PrinceApollo117]

Your everywhere!

[@cassidystuidiot3071]

I’m confusion

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Well Peri, I love the show and your one of the many reasons why!

[@prismwing]

I'm so glad I got to watch this series all at once this year, with no outside influence, and long after giving up all social media. It got to be my own experience and I loved every moment of it.

[@jessewilson8676]

I am a grandfather and I did love the show...wish it could continue or at least a couple spin offs..

[@allstrange7495]

I wholeheartedly agree

[@urinefetus]

Gilf

[@mr_cream224]

@@urinefetus NO

[@ladykatie8204]

I think another movie world me nice. Maybe a Lars of the Stars space adventure with the off colors!

[@pootis4986]

Bruh spin offs are most likely to fail

[@dylanoliver403]

In a few months, people will be hating on The Owl House (probably because it’s popular) and I don’t know if I’m ready for that.

[@bettercallfrog]

It kinda already happened

[@gomugoat]

@@bettercallfrog How?

[@duckydonuts8548]

@@gomugoat because the whole a 14 year old being bisexual and one being lesbian

[@gomugoat]

@@duckydonuts8548 I mean about genuine hate people have with show not just homophobia

[@duckydonuts8548]

@@gomugoat oh yeah well I dont know what people hate about it

[@lemon_p1ss978]

I like that Jasper and lapis represented a toxic relationship but as malachite. Lapis trapped malachite in the ocean- and malachite is toxic in water. I thought it was a cool detail :)

[@astralGrenade]

oh i never noticed that! that's a pretty clever detail!

[@BringBackCyParkVendingMachines]

Wasn't that unintentional

[@chaliceohearts4658]

I don’t really “hate” Steven Universe. I just sort of fell out of it. My problem is that it just got to be “too much” for me. Steven Universe, specifically Steven Universe Future, reminds me of things that I’ve been though in the past. Steven’s pain reminds me of the pain I once went through. I’d rather not be reminded of the darkest years of my life.

[@Mha_enthusiast0]

@@ocelotlesbian I agree it’s okay to fall off a show for different reasons even to not like it at all it’s hard to watch or deal with things that sometimes remind you of something else

[@crazyhyena1406]

M o n o k u m a

[@parasynesis9260]

that's a completely respectable reason to steer away from something like this

[@sam_.offemaria9233]

@@ocelotlesbian Okay

[@itsokitsnotyoufoult8850]

Yeah.

[@urielacevedo]

I feel cartoon network ruins everything that has potential on it's platform. Personally they should take a stand for what their creators want to make rather than focus on what other countries anti lgbt laws say

[@toon4thought]

But I mean... Funding kind of matters. A lot. And there was no real frame of reference as to how well this would go over.

[@TheDramacist]

Weeell, Nick toons isn't any better. RIP Rise of the TMNTs

[@jaycrews9905]

*Adventure time and ok ko*

[@adog8355]

@@jaycrews9905 ya

[@debussy2059]

Honestly i feel like Cartoon Network is the best out there, compared to other children’s network cartoon network works especially hard to give the best of the best; and the shows on there are better than shows on other networks (in my opinion). Cartoon network doesn’t shy away from giving representation aswell and has no problem having difficult conversations, even with children.

[@minertwinsilver6185]

Thank you for clarifying that homosexuality isn’t just about sex, since a lot of people think that way, which is stupid

[@truches7509]

I mean there is a sexuality about not wanting to have sex so idk where anyone got that idea though-

[@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops]

As an asexual who is also gay, can confirm. None of my relationships involve the sweaty naked dancing.

[@QuestionableLogic_]

@@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops Elaborate on this for me please?

[@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops]

@@QuestionableLogic_ On which part? Romantically, I'm attracted to the same gender. Sexually? Ew, gross. Not all aces think sex is gross, but I do. Asexuality is not having sexual attraction to people.

[@filo4854]

@@ElizabethMidfordHatesCops I'm a panromantic demisexual which is kinda I guess similar to asexuality to an extent

[@attirose7932]

We really needed a vid like this

[@joshuagonzalez4183]

Same

[@mimmy4222]

Yeah

[@pman9730]

Yep

[@therockwizard.9687]

To make fun of! Yep!

[@aliendog7627]

@@therockwizard.9687 What

[@yeeyeeyeeye]

Two years later and this still holds up. While the show isn't perfect, it still holds a place in my heart, and it deserves so much respect than it gets for being a show that really pushed the limits on how to discuss mature topics like redemption, toxic relationships, and PTSD to younger audiences, and was ahead of its time. This show is the reason why we are able to get more explicit representation of LGBT+ people as seen in The Owl House and Dead End Paranormal Park, and you can't just ignore it just because you think the show is "cringe" or whatever.

[@5Chaor]

I think a lot of the show's issue has to do with budgeting and time constraints. The best example of this is the end are the main series where something that feels like it should be an hour and a half long TV movie only had 30 minutes. Same thing with the cluster Arc.

[@CyberRaveLights]

I honestly think shows should have as much budgeting and time as they want, they have a story to tell, let them tell it

[@crispwater7294]

I can see why some people are dissatisfied with the conclusion to Diamond Days. By having White Diamond be "redeemed" in 5 minutes, I can see how that comes off as lazy. That episode would have been recieved better if the change happened over 10 minutes.

[@ーテイル]

@@crispwater7294 an entire episode, take it or leave it.

[@purple1441]

@@crispwater7294 Tbh, peridot had the best redemption arc. The diamonds' redemption was way too unrealistic for the show.

[@jjaa_joyjoyartist]

I wish the og series had another season or two. It picked up the pace in seasons four and five but completely dropped the tension around the diamonds that had been building since season one. The cluster episode was a good episode, but it should have been a special 22 minute length. Having two major plot threads being wrapped up from season 2 in the first two episodes of the next felt kind of rushed.

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

Me:Hey Steven Steven: yeah Me: first time? Steven: huh

[@CyberRaveLights]

XD

[@btg-bp4vl]

Lmao

[@CosmicSponge2004]

@@CyberRaveLights Sonic Fans, Hated By EVERYONE since. 2005

[@PeterGriffin11]

Lol

[@CPGreeno357]

LMFAOOOOOO didnt get this at first until i saw the name and icon

[@2CoolBros.]

Steven never FORGAVE the diamonds, especially White. He can't punish them for anything they've done, and has tried to move on. But he never FORGAVE the person he fantasized about KILLING.

[@nox8600]

It kind of seems like he did. Is there any evidence of him still holding a grudge? (Actually wondering)

[@idreadFell365]

@@nox8600 in Steven Universe the Movie and Future, he clearly did not like their presence. He was also almost tempted to have White slam her four head (which has the diamond gem) against a piller or wall when she let him control her during the time Steven was going through a character crisis.

[@Wavyosa]

@@nox8600 Actually yes, Steven universe future there was an episode out where Steven was trying to face his problems and While white diamond was trying to help him he visualized him smashing her head into a pillar

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@nox8600 umm he tried to kill her

[@prizmarvalschi1319]

@@nox8600 when Steven did the diamond projection thing, his deepest intentions finally surfaced

[@InkyBeeArtz]

I'm at 45 minutes in, I'm so glad they talked about ptsd. I was diagnosed in late 2019 and Growing Pains is a really good representation of what ptsd is. When he said "How do I live life if it always feels like I'm about to die?", it was a gritty, real feeling that everyone with ptsd feels. I'm still not recovered but SU future has really helped me figure out what i need to do to continue recovery.

[@Rashy225]

The Steven only POV was the worst thing about the show. I still like it though. At one point I adored it!

[@beedoesthings8037]

Yeah I will admit while the Steven only POV was still good, it held back the amount of development the world could have been given. Just an episode or two about gem society without Steven there to be an exposition sponge would have been very valuable, because as it stands gem culture is very underdeveloped to the point that when the diamonds were deposed and Future was showing the changes, I was left going, “okay, but how was it before?” I had no frame of reference for the changes so they all felt hallow to me.

[@unripetheberrby6283]

Yeah sometimes it was enjoyable

[@CombatSportsNerd]

I got to be honest, the show is called Steven universe. Why is it that people expected this dude not to be in nearly every episode?

[@austinjohnsen4430]

@@CombatSportsNerd That doesn’t mean we have to always be shackled to Steven’s view of the world. There are plenty of episodes of spongebob where we follow other characters without spongebob being in nearly every scene.

[@gomugoat]

@@austinjohnsen4430 There are entire episodes where SpongeBob isn't even mentioned.

[@WDonut04]

Coming from someone who’s a huge fan of Steven Universe, if someone has good faith criticisms of it, that’s fine with me because I do have criticisms of the show itself. However, the show is unfairly treated like a punching bag (especially by obsessive Regular Show and Gumball stans, alt-right 4channers, and Lily Orchard and her simps) for no reason. Rebecca Sugar has been through too much. People are too antisemitic and homophobic to her and her show.

[@nighthawk4744]

You had me then you lost me.

[@orlandotheg1923]

You messed it up dummy

[@CyberRaveLights]

@@nighthawk4744 people hate Steven Universe cause they hate gays and minorities to sum it up

[@WDonut04]

@@CyberRaveLights not all of them, but some of them. I can vibe more with su critics who have issues with the story than homophobes

[@nighthawk4744]

William Afton I know about those kind of people. Like I can assume a neonazi is gonna hate steven universe by default. I was referring to lily orchard being included in that number. After season 5 I felt really disappointed and went on KZbin to see if anyone else had that feeling. Hers was the literal only video I could find at the time. I immediately assumed that it was gonna be a trash anti-gay bash on the show. But it was like 2 hours so I thought “I doubt someone would hate rant for that long” so I watched to see if there was anything redeemable. Practically everything except her anger outbursts were true. She actually pointed things out I had not even noticed before like the bismuth thing and the fact that human zoos are historically horrible and for some reason there is one in a kids show. If you haven’t watched her video I do recommend it. You can skip over the rant bits if you want.

[@waheedabdullah6371]

I remember that before COPPA, there were many comments on Cartoon Network videos about ppl wanting to cancel SU

[@prizmarvalschi1319]

I saw so many and I just had to think to myself... Why?

[@firefly6437]

@@prizmarvalschi1319 Because people have opinions,people will always have different opinions and you just have to deal with it-

[@angryartist3170]

I love SU so much. I will always have a fondness for it. For me SU was perfect. Just what I needed and still kinda need sometimes. And I'm just relieved after watching this because SU is so important to me and I was a little heartbroken at how much hate it was getting lately. SU and the crew mean so much to me and I hate seeing so much discourse because that's not fair to everyone who worked for years on a show that they and I love.

[@PercydeRoloFangirl]

Same

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

I dislike the show and like your channel but saying the main reason why people dislike it is homophobia is not right at least for me since I find it boring and some things messed up like how they easily forgive the diamonds and a good video about it is sarcastic chorus who gave a great review about the shows pros and cons and remember people are entitled to their own opinions so don’t judge them for disliking a show just because you think it’s amazing.

[@angryartist3170]

@@KirbyStarAnimation dude chill. I never attacked anyone for disliking the show. I just hate people who hate on the show without actually watching it. You can like what you want cause I genuinely don't care. Have a good day ❤

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

@@angryartist3170 I am sorry if it seemed like I was saying that and I was trying to refer to the more prominent community and kinda what this video does coming from a channel I like and again I am sorry and hope you have a good day

[@allstrange7495]

35:01 "The biggest selling points on Steven Universe was actually its characters, aesthetic , music, and of course its lore and world building- alongside the representation" I could not put it better myself. This perfectly summarizes what I love about the show. The representation alone isn't enough to make me love it: a lot more is present. I had my own gripes with the show, but who doesn't about basically any show. I really enjoyed this video and appreciate your commentary. I started watching this show because I decided to watch all the shows I thought had "an annoying fanbase" (I just saw it too much on insta) or were widely considered "overrated" because I thought there had to be a reason they were so beloved by a fanbase. The commentary concerning the people who hate things just because they regurgitate other opinions or because its popular previously rang true for me too. In hindsight I wasn't even annoyed by it I just saw it a lot on social media without understanding the references or characters. I recommend people watch shows they hate for no reason without watching prior because it helped me find some of my favorite series. Edit: I also like that it had an overarching plot, even if said plot had its flaws (I just like serialized stories), the stories it taught/concepts it covered without being cheesy (like Here Comes a Thought or really anytime the characters themselves had to grow), and the fight scenes (super powered fighting is almost always cool to me)

[@thegtfan2863]

I disliked Steven universe at first, until "Jailbreak" aired. That made me do a complete 180. The first season is honestly sorta bland in my opinion, but there are several key episodes that you need to watch, and are pretty interesting. Nice to see a Steven universe video once again. Missed them

[@abyssgod4]

Yep alot of people just kinda don't like the first season before jailbreak because it was just a goofy kinda boring cartoon

[@Emil-lf3no]

for me it was Alone Together that made me do a 180

[@TheDramacist]

I was hooked when a Giant Woman showed up

[@Tendo641]

I'll admit I was trudging through it during the first half. The only reason I didn't drop it was because I heard it got better. And they were right, it really did get better.

[@kingsaracoon9594]

Same! And I was in the age demographic! I thought the first season was too goofy and weird but at the same time I really liked the aesthetics so I stuck around. Jailbreak was phenomenal and was really the episode that got me hooked.

[@darthbane5676]

Imagine being a Steven Universe fan and a Star Wars fan at the same time. Man, that would totally suck. Oh wait, that’s me.😓

[@jirodensetsu1948]

Damn lol

[@prizmarvalschi1319]

I'm both + a Furry, Potterhead, and a lowkey otaku

[@monsorelong5066]

You poor soul. I feel bad for you. Im a star wars fan and that's bad enough

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Yeah, but I think what happened to Star Wars and Steven Universe are very different. People who disliked Steven Universe disliked it from the start, whereas the sequels split that fanbase in half. It turned diehard fans into haters, that's why they are so bitter about it. For comparison, it's like if the Steven Universe fanbase refused to believe Rose was Pink Diamond. If the fans were so revolted by this change that they refused to keep watching the show, then we have a scenario that's comparable to Star Wars. But that's not what happened because while people where skeptical of this plot-point, most of the accepted it overtime as they got more information. Compare that to Star Wars, where many fans still do not accept that Luke would have ever tried to kill his nephew, abandoned his friends, and turn his back on the galaxy. most fans still haven't accepted that because the films didn't give a strong enough argument that it was in character for Luke to act this way. Also, Star Wars was a much more brutal pill to swallow. SU fans had only been fans for like 5 years tops. Star Wars fans had been fans for over 40 years. Even prequel fans have been fans for over 10 years. That's why there was a much bigger backlash.

[@a_rs0nx790]

Lol same

[@gloomcat3867]

I think the best take from this is that SU is a stepping stone. It wasn't meant to be a masterpiece or a self-righteous compass, it was made to tell uncommon stories about uncommon characters a lot of people identify with, and to push boundaries about what can be shown or not in a cartoon or what is appropriate. And as most people realized, there ARE people who resonate with these stories, there are kids who need validation and courage and have stories with them as protagonists. Also, mental issues NEED to be addressed and not just ''shown''. You just have to look at how kids react to a relevant character of color as Black Panther and Garnet and many others. SU walked so the shows that we love and enjoy today could fly.

[@imani7979]

Eh, i don't really see garnet as "representation" for poc (specifically black people), she's just black-coded at the end of the day she's a non-human lifeform that just happened to look kinda black. I want real poc on screen like connie, now THAT'S representation.

[@drakefrid4948]

hugs dont heal mental illness in real life but go off i guess

[@August81804]

@@drakefrid4948 it didn’t immediately heal him. Everyone in his life was asking for support from him and eventually realized how that hurt him and apologized and offered to help him. It shows a time jump of a few months to where he is getting therapy and the people in his life are being a lot more healthy with him. It’s not immediately healed the moment he gets hugged, it’s meant to be a stepping stone to him getting the support he really needs.

[@yashjoseph3544]

@@Raya-ir4tm Nice job straw-manning the original commenter's points. Try actually addressing the points instead of using fallacies.

[@stevenrogers2684]

Well the ones that loved the show, especially this channel, did make it out like it was a masterpiece, and that no one better dare to question it or its story. I am curious to know exactly what shows that SU helped to "fly" though...

[@The_Gidz]

I love the series but there's a ton of valid criticisms for it whether we like it or not. It's extremely flawed

[@xblade149]

I totally agree. I just don't like the obvious brain dead criticism that's not constructive

[@The_Gidz]

@@xblade149 Yeah, there's a ton of that going around and I have a few friends who have insulted my liking of the show over basically nothing. But there are definitely valid problems with it, some of which have been brought up in these two hour rant videos -- despite the overall tone of them being brain dead for the sake of appealing to the people who hate the show.

[@jirodensetsu1948]

Yep agreed

[@Anonymous-gq4gq]

Agree completely

[@KhaosAdmiral]

that is a good way how to look at it, While I do like the show I do have some issues with how certain aspects do play out.

[@Haven414]

Me: "I want something surprising to happen today" The Roundtable: *Puts "Steven Universe" and "hate" in the same video title*

[@Dimonds456]

I had to reread the title, I thought it was actually a hate video at first XD

[@Haven414]

@@Dimonds456 same XD

[@inactivioli]

haha ikr (also, love your pfp)

[@Haven414]

@@inactivioli thank you! i used to normally have it as a picture of pearl (my favorite character), but people usually thought i was a girl X)

[@inactivioli]

@@Haven414 oof I get that :') (Pearl is amazing though, but Smoky is my favorite)

[@EJthe24TH]

I think Lily Orchard just got called out

[@LudoLmao]

Who?

[@frencpenc795]

@@RemLasher77 come on, you don't have to insult someone behind their back. Too much hate, it's not necessary

[@kinbagecabbage667]

@@frencpenc795 They literally harassed someone for drawing their character wrong.

[@madeeha.2006]

@@kinbagecabbage667 what?? when was this omg i didn’t know

[@kinbagecabbage667]

@@madeeha.2006 I don't know, I just recall it from Cartoonshi's SubtOWLe House video, part 2.

[@wackyiv219]

This show made me cry so much while also making me understand some things i was going through but was too young to really understand it. Its like it randomly hits too close to home and you can't help but explode.

[@greenninja61]

Patrick Star: I hate this channel.

[@harukano9930]

It's popular to hate on popular shows that aren't perfect. It makes some people feel good that they can point out those little bad things and seem better than all the people that enjoy this show. The more people like and praise a show, the more clever and superior the person criticizing it will seem with his edgy comments. People should learn to accept that there is no problem in enjoying a show that isn't perfect and that different opinions exist and are all valid. PLEASE use more "I don't like this, because...", rather than "This show is absolute trash and you should feel bad for liking it". Especially when a show is good (even if not perfect), as is usually the case. Those people are not just toxic, but also very annoying.

[@jirodensetsu1948]

Yeah agreed

[@garibaldibritann1240]

Well, EZ PZ (a troll also SU hate-boner) anyone?

[@thewetstickybandits1990]

One of my problems with his videos and here is when he said about the Diamonds being redeemed he treats his statements like it's a fact and shames any anyone who degrees and says it's insulting to Rebecca sugar.

[@jirodensetsu1948]

@@thewetstickybandits1990 who are you talking about

[@tunasalad9693]

Exactly. It's okay to criticize a show made by a team of people, but remember you're critisizing a team of _people_

[@mr.skeltal8687]

I actually was one of those people who skipped it when it first came out. I was really into adventure time and regular show at the time and the promos really made it seem like more of a kid oriented show. I was in later highschools years at that point and It just didn't look like my thing. YEARS later (during home world arc premiere), I saw a clip or two on KZbin for the new episodes and was really surprised at how complex it had gotten. So, I went back and decided to give it a chance. I fell head over heels in love with it. The characters, the world, the messages it was such a unique experience. I've seen it all a few times now and I can confidently say that it holds its own and has become one of my favorite modern cartoons. Also, if you're a fan and haven't gotten the art books, I'd recommend them. Very well thought out and beautiful illustrations!

[@matttale7918]

I don’t hate Steven universe After all, it’s hard to hate a show without actually watching it.

[@Angie_Ashf3rn]

BAHAHHA OKAY THIS ONE GOT ME I CANT- my sense of humor is so broken I’m a Steven universe lover but honestly, this comment really is a mood but instead of the topic being Steven universe, it’s Star Wars and things like that. I never got into those shows

[@matttale7918]

@@Angie_Ashf3rn were like polar opposites lol

[@Angie_Ashf3rn]

@@matttale7918 😂😂😂

[@QWERTY-gp8fd]

just curious why u didnt watch it

[@matttale7918]

@@QWERTY-gp8fd never peaked my way interest for my age, and the art style and character designs didn’t do it for me, though I’ll bend on the art style and characters, it just doesn’t seem all that interesting to watch season 1 to finish for me.

[@aniasc0de932]

the main reason I managed to get through my pain, and may I say I went through depression pretty early, is because of Steven Universe, and what it did for me compares to no other show I've ever seen, and I'm proud to call Steven Universe my main fandom, because it changed me as a person, I'm 16 now, and yet people saying a show is just a cartoon when it has just as much potential as Steven Universe did, or Adventure Time, or svtfoe, its sad because honestly I love it when my friends get into a show that I love and a show that helped me through so much hardship and even with its mistakes, I honestly never cared, I cared more about the message it gave me, to keep going through life, because life on this beautiful planet is worth it for ourselves I am proud to be apart of the Steven Universe fandom, and I will never be ashamed

[@waterdroplet5594]

I'm only on the 4th season, and it's already so amazing, but I can't figure our how to watch season 5-7 or whatever number of seasons there are. Pls help

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

I dislike the show and like your channel but saying the main reason why people dislike it is homophobia is not right at least for me since I find it boring and some things messed up like how they easily forgive the diamonds and a good video about it is sarcastic chorus who gave a great review about the shows pros and cons and remember people are entitled to their own opinions so don’t judge them for disliking a show just because you think it’s amazing.

[@LegendaryAceAttorney]

Amen to that SU is goated I just finished the show and the movie

[@CPGreeno357]

anybody remember "su critical"? god just hearing those two words give me flashbacks

[@CPGreeno357]

@@ocelotlesbian a sub-group of steven universe """"""""""fans"""""""""" that surfaced on tumblr(?), that heavily criticized the show. some of their takes were valid and reasonable, but most of them were REACHING. god, if i could remember any if them i'd tell ya right now but just know they were uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not good.

[@jamesaaron8578]

@@CPGreeno357 Freezing Climber say that to me Bizzare

[@animationsfa4478]

I used to hate this show with a passion at the start of it i watched one episode and was hooked. now i love this show with a passion

[@animationsfa4478]

most of my animation are about it

[@chickenstripz1961]

That's good to hear, I'm glad you enjoy the show. I do as well

[@Nicu-vy3gm]

Idk i liked it when i was a kid when it first aired

[@Karmeon1982]

@@Nicu-vy3gm I was 7 or 6 when I first saw it it was with my cousins in a hotel (it was giant women a good episode to start off watching, this show because it introduces fusion a important part of the show)

[@brimcd]

That was basically me with Amphibia

[@Suspense_Is_Dead]

Us fans know Steven Universe has issues, but we still love it.

[@Mha_enthusiast0]

Yep 👍🏽 we can’t ignore it but we have to realize everything has flaws

[@elisd7099]

@@Mha_enthusiast0 I now consider myself an x-fan of the show now. Not just because of my own issues with the show, but because the internet pointing out all the flaws in it really made me feel dumber for not noticing any of it.😒😠😑😤 Thanks a lot, EZ PZ, Lily Orchard, E;R, upon many others!😩😫😖😣🙃😔😟😭😢🥺

[@finneverwins]

@@elisd7099 same

[@theblackswordsman5039]

That’s not entirely true, I hate the show for how bad it got

[@Suspense_Is_Dead]

Sometimes we need to look past mistakes and look at the beauty of something

[@Tarikkb]

I don’t think it was a bad show , I just think it had A LOT more potential they didn’t use , it could’ve been seriously amazing , but it’s not a bad show , I started to settle for the show tbh , I stayed for the concept and that’s it , the music is average at best and there are a lot of cringy scenes and writing

[@dazedandconfused5711]

Yeah but the writing was terrible you can't ignore that

[@dazedandconfused5711]

@@skythebunny Maybe we woulda gotten some better story plots or a nicer smoother resolution to things

[@rexgood4]

@@skythebunny Slick I've begun to accept this narrative- because I forget Rebecca did work on adventure time and wrap that series up. She does write incredibly well when she's given lots of time/episodes. But she falls heavily short to being rushed.

[@Samuel152]

Cartoon Network is at fault for rushing Rebecca Sugar since they didn't like Garnet's wedding.

[@JLacay]

@@skythebunny It's so hard to say that it's CN's fault because the Crewniverse could've made the plot a lot smoother if they got rid of half or more Beach City/filler episodes than people wouldn't complain too much.

[@herodaresfire4512]

I love Steven Universe primarily because of the characters and story.

[@Wavyosa]

Same💛

[@servine1212]

Thats why I disliked it. The characters were to hit or miss for me. Some (like connie) felt complete, while others never really got fully developed. The story concept was rad and kept me engaged, but the filler drove me crazy. Also I cant get over diamonds as characters.

[@Wavyosa]

@@servine1212 fr. I love steven universe but the way he forgives people like the diamonds drives me crazy.

[@Wavyosa]

@[Bad Boy] what’s wring with season 5?

[@TheDragShot]

​@R a n g e r ¿Season 5? I felt it was already declining by season 4. By season 5 I had already stopped watching new episodes on release, I just didn't care that much anymore. To this day I have no desire to watch the Future season at all.

[@Hulk1566]

I am so glad that you were able to address the "sTeVen foRGivEs nAziS" bullshit and that the Diamonds aren't actually redeemed or forgiven but rather held accountable for their actions. That really means a lot to address this problem.

[@jirodensetsu1948]

Yeah

[@carlacarrero4975]

Steven may not have forgiven them but the show still tries to force us to see that their not that horrible by giving them powers that they didn’t have before just so the show can undo the damage that was done

[@Hulk1566]

@@Madmankey13 It's not redemption. It's accountability.

[@ron4202]

I hate what they did with the diamonds. I mean, they did genocide... ouch.

[@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan]

Ok but why he hates Kevin more than them

[@Dragonspeak30]

Do...do people not see how uncomfortable all the characters get whenever the Diamonds show up. It's just...always awkward af BECAUSE of that history. How is that redeeming them??

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

Did bismuth get punished for nearly killing Steven yes they did yet the diamonds only get a slap on the wrist rather than having them exiled from gem society at least

[@Dragonspeak30]

@@KirbyStarAnimation It's not like they can get rid of them. Like the video said, they're the only ones that fix the problems that they caused. And with Steven moving out, they're going to be relied on even more. I'm not saying more shouldn't have been done- but this wouldn't be the first time a finale was rushed to the end cause the parent network decided the creators couldn't have more time to add to it.

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

@@Dragonspeak30 Yet here’s the thing the whole Cartoon Network cancellation doesn’t work since the show had 5 seasons originally but then got a movie and sequel show while the owl house didn’t even have a full third season and still did better with resolving stuff.

[@Dragonspeak30]

@@KirbyStarAnimation Literally no one is saying this resolution was flawless, alright. You're free to dislike it all you want - but going after people who enjoyed it despite the flaws is just silly. You can like something while still being critical of it...which a majority of the fans of the final season are.

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

@@Dragonspeak30 I’m not going after people but I am stating my opinion and I hope you have a good day and can we atleast stop having a debate with no possible conclusion.

[@madisongoodwin5246]

For anyone who says “it’s not for me” after watching a few episodes: I felt the exact same way. I watch cartoons like SU all the like, but I never felt compelled to watch it. Even when I did watch it, for pretty much the entire first season, I didn’t really like it. I thought it was kind of boring and I just didn’t enjoy watching it. But as I kept going, I grew to love it. So all I am asking is give it a try, and don’t stop because you don’t like the first few episodes. Edit: okay, I need to clear up a few things. I am not being a crazy fan who is defending SU just because some people don’t like it. I am simply giving my opinion. I am not saying that everyone has to watch it or that everyone will like it, I am just saying that I didn’t like it at first either but I grew to like it. I have no idea how I could have offended some of you by making this comment, but apparently I did, so I’m sorry.

[@dudemevill1699]

It always depends on people actually.

[@himdevil2391]

What kind of logic is this. If a show doesn't grip you a show doesn't grip you. Why give a show a chance when you already did by watching a few of the episodes and coming to the conclusion that it's not for you. You sound like bronies when people say they dislike mlp after watching the first few episodes of it. "But watch more, you'll like it!" No, no I won't because the show already failed at gaining my interest. SU fan's logic never ceases to amaze me.

[@dudemevill1699]

@@himdevil2391 They mostly just put hate comments but that's what a fan does if they dislike what they want they will defend it for their lives.some will.

[@fishencasedinjelly3950]

I watched the entire thing and like it at first, but I felt it slowly got worse, I couldn't even finish future.

[@dudemevill1699]

@@fishencasedinjelly3950 I finished future and it sucked the ending sucks.

[@GemCB7]

I am completly agree to say about "Steven perspective"... Because, yes, Steven its a middle character in development between others like Pearl, lapislazuli, and others. actually its possible to made better things without Steven. Yes, he has the moral perspective , but its not necessary when the others characters can do It for itself.

[@lenardbordo9838]

I completely agree with you. Maybe some spin-offs will repair that little flaw of the show. Steven is a fine person, but we had enough of him, I think.

[@allstrange7495]

Great video dude! The effort showed. I noticed how your lines matched up with the characters' speech multiple times. You fleshed out a lot of concepts I've already heard and considered in a well though out manner. I hope this video gets the attention it deserves

[@crashlanding9938]

Some of the songs and themes in the show helped me through some dark times in my life. When no one in your life has ever said some of the important messages of the show, it means a lot to finally feel like you're not crazy or being gaslit by those around u. In my family a regular theme was to be mean and never say sorry, but steven was always caring and genuinely empathetic. It makes me sad that people hate the show because steven just saying, "Hey you, show me a solvable problem" means so much to me.

[@greenninja61]

It’s also very useful to get laid and such.

[@BabyShark-yg6to]

"I'm not here to throw shade" *proceeds to throw shade*

[@elisd7099]

Congratulations,🍾🎈🎉🎊you played yourself.

[@elisd7099]

@Hooty HOOT HOOT Austric Vox failed letting go of his hyper fixation with Steven Universe and making thousands of videos on it.

[@elisd7099]

@Hooty HOOT HOOT Austric Vox failed to accurately represent how the fandom reacts to new episodes with his reaction videos, he acts like a spaz out snowflake hyena with 20 grand of sugar in his body. So three failures I guess.

[@elisd7099]

@Hooty HOOT HOOT Failure number 4: Vox doesn’t pick up on more context as to why some of the “bad criticisms” are actually valid, the show’s animation in South Korean animation studios because of outsourcing from their because Cartoon Network cut the show’s budget, resulting in the show making less money than their other shows. Also, a lot of social commentary misconceptions about what fusion represents, and the implications of how it works logically, or how previous writing in the show’s text says many different things from earlier interpretations. So failure number 5 right there.

[@elisd7099]

@Alex JG Austric Vox’s straw man argument is people hate Steven Universe or think less of it because of homophobia, and he even tries to scientifically break it down.

[@gensynjent.espiritu7568]

Thank you for this. I remember being in the 8th grade when SU first came into CN and I immediately thought of how it's definitely a kid show but boy was I WRONG. I got hooked because of one fateful flash of the channel while Steven pulled Rose's sword out of lion's head. That was the moment where I saw that Steven Universe had more.

[@dazedandconfused5711]

Yeah I really enjoyed the first few seasons, but the whole overaching plot was truly terrible

[@xempororhxppyx]

It IS a kid show.

[@SCOTGamingwithJack]

don't forget the snarky glaring rantsonas distgruntled af looking at you in thumbnails

[@krowkat5491]

Thank you for this video. I think it does lot to help with combating the negative stigma around the show. Its almost cringey how much people hate/attack the show because they cant acknowledge the good parts about it and would rather throw it and it's fans under the bus than have a meaningful conversation.

[@stalebread9825]

Sorry but the space nazis and rebeccas lack of a back bone made me hate this series even more props to you for finding gold in garbage

[@diminie_chimket]

​@@stalebread9825 sorry you don't actually understand the show 😊

[@stalebread9825]

@@diminie_chimket im sorry you dont and youre trying very poorly to convince me otherwise bum

[@stalebread9825]

@@diminie_chimket im sorry your pea brain lacks the neccessary media litteracy to understand

[@dimmie8616]

'if every porkchop were perfect, there wouldn't be hotdogs"

[@beast_pasta2392]

That's my favourite Greg quote

[@slumpsenju7849]

It’s “we would’ve have”....right??? No seriously it’s been a while since I heard that

[@COrraThereal0ne]

@@livelaughfnaf1987 IT LITERALLY ISN'T.

[@yashgurango3303]

@@livelaughfnaf1987 no offense but its we woudnt have hotdogs

[@FirstNameLastName-pg3pi]

@@livelaughfnaf1987 no offense but its "we wouldn't have hotdogs"

[@sofiaardvark9039]

What. A. Relieving. Video. To. See. I found the part about the animation studios especially interesting, I thought the inconsistencies in the art style we're just the artists' different styles, I didn't know the animation studios also had an effect on the style.

[@utopiaa_1775]

It’s even weirder because Rough Draft’s work on the movie + future looks *way* more polished and on-model than their episodes for the original series, which is pretty confusing

[@sofiaardvark9039]

@@utopiaa_1775 hm. That's weird, but I'm sure they had a higher budget.

[@cheezbiscuit4140]

whether or not characters are "on model" all the time is an artistic choice animation studios make. The disney studio under walt had a strict all on model policy and I think that influenced a part of public opinion on that.

[@thegamingchannelxd9547]

People: daaamn Steven universe fandom still here Me: we never left

[@jaycrews9905]

Still here

[@Dimonds456]

Present!

[@jirodensetsu1948]

Yup tottally never left

[@FlashQuatsch]

Doesn't "still" imply you never left?

[@kalvin187douglas]

Facts

[@rae-rae8005]

I swear, I had this ex friend who said he didn’t like Steven universe and he didnt even see the full series. He made me watch the first episode of one of his favorite anime’s In for him to watch more episodes of Steven universe cuz while season 1 wasn’t the BEST at design and animation, it still got amazing as it progressed. The guy who constantly complained about it, had the audacity then to go from watching the first episode to jumping to watch the LAST F**KING EPISODE OF THE SERIES!!! Why in the hell would he do that?! I get it if he actually watched more than one episode and didnt like it, but when he skipped to the last f**king episode?! That was just an insane move.

[@brettkeaneindivijual1032]

Well, it’s not like the middle part situations are good anyway. I suppose he’s an indivijual with a good instinct situation.

[@rae-rae8005]

@GODWIN VINCENT GEVICE Moe Ikr..? Not to mention he had a LOT of moments where he started fights or his viewpoints just made me want to scream. Trust me, they were bad

[@firefly6437]

It’s because the show isn’t interesting enough, that’s usually why I skip episodes in a show. Steven Universe was never really interesting to me.

[@rae-rae8005]

@@firefly6437 while I admit there are skippable episodes, it infuriated me that he went straight from Gem glow to Change your mind. He missed a LOT of what happened

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

Tbh the last few episodes were trash

[@parasynesis9260]

thanks so much for this! i'm a die-hard fan aswell, but you did help me understand more about the diamond arc. i never really considered WHY they had to stay somewhat in power

[@jamesevans1176]

For me I really like the Steven centric nature of the show, it makes it feel more... Real for me? Cause you don't see things being done when you're not there, and so you want to put yourself in to help or know what happened. I loved the light hearted nature of the first viewing of the show and it was an escape for me. As the show started touching on heavier topics like relationships and mental health my love grew. Around the time of Stevonnie coming out and dealing with their own insecurities for a stronger relationship and the song Take a Moment I was dealing with my own severe depression and really made an emotional connection to the show more than "hey this is neat and has cool themes and rep!". Of course my takes and feelings are my own, and it would also have been cool to see other things happening such as Peridot on her own figuring out that Home World sucks, or Space Pirate Lars, I think Steven Universe as a show was meant to have a very singular and narrow view and it works well.

[@Zistheone2]

I miss the old days of Steven Universe when the only problems we had were people complaining about the Uncle Grandpa crossover & fans giving fake negative reviews for Keystone Motels

[@jamesaaron8578]

Little Dark Age

[@harriyanna]

there's always gonna be groups of people who hate things that are well-liked/popular, but there's something so mean spirited about the hate this show gets. and its kinda terrifying.

[@mariedit9935]

I've been scared to tell people S.U is my favorite cartoon because of the hate it gets :( I grew up with it Edit: love your videos

[@brettkeaneindivijual1032]

So, what you’re saying is that hating this show is mean spirited situation? What is this show, the bible for you? Well, I guess that Steven indivijual is like this generation’s Jesus Christ. Although, too bad he didn’t end up like our lord and savior, situation. Could you imagine that? I did-in a dream situation. I once had an indivijual dream where I was reenacting the scene of the Passion of Christ, where I was the roman indivijual and I was giving Steven the dominatrix situation. I can still remember all the blood and screaming that was coming from Steven. And then it ended when I pierce his heart after I had cruxified him, situtation. I wonder of that dream is telling me something 🤔

[@firefly6437]

no I just don’t like the show- it’s not about the popularity It’s just not interesting to me.

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

or people just don't like it.

[@Slyest4255]

Not really I use to love Steven Universe but after Steven just left Lars in space with the offcolors my views on the show went down hill. I was really disappointed with that pink diamond reveal it completely changed Rose’s character for the sake of a plot twist and don’t get me started on Future. Steven Universe will always hold a special place in my heart, I and many other people who dislike the show don’t hate it just because it’s “popular” its just hard for us to get passed its many flaws.

[@jlshootingstar333]

For a long time i considered SU to be "a great show with a terrible ending" but this actually made me realize the ending of the show wasn't as bad as i thought at the time. It still has flaws, but it worked out about as good as it could (especially considering the time given was shortened)

[@Nennecatgirl]

THE CROSSOVER I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

[@henyo5409]

2 years later this still holds up. great work guys. yall always made the best SU videos

[@RockFendiiiii]

alot of this is just wrong

[@at5203]

@@RockFendiiiii What parts specifically

[@orlandotheg1923]

The show has MANY problems, issues that many criticize and it is justified, don't be surprised and if someone hates it, whatever, if you think its perfect to you, sure, just enjoy it. I used to be a huge fan but I have a love-hate relationship with SU, an atrocious finale and season 5 was a dumpster fire, I have many criticisms of the show, it has some great aspects but in my eyes is brought down by all the complete and utter shit its packed with. (Also stevens depression in Future is portrayed badly, what a fucking joke)

[@purple1441]

Steven Universe used to be my favorite show from Seasons 1 to 3. I didn't like Seasons 4 and 5. The movie was okay, but then Future ruined everything. And the diamonds are probably the most poorly written villains I've ever seen in any form of media. I think I also have a love-hate relationship with this show. Seasons 1 to 3 feel like they were written by an entirely different person compared to the rest of the show.

[@chickenstripz1961]

There's a difference between criticism and out right attacking a person for mentioning the show. (Which does happen and was also the point of the video)

[@orlandotheg1923]

@@purple1441 100% factual

[@orlandotheg1923]

@@chickenstripz1961 obviously, I'm talking about genuine criticism.

[@stevenrogers2684]

@@orlandotheg1923 yeah people keep *saying* their attacked for liking the show but I’ve rarely seen that. Criticizing the shows flaws isn’t actually attacking you. Maybe you don’t like having to explain why you like certain things but it’s not an attack.

[@deathstar602]

"But I remember reading that RS once said....SOMEONE LIED! SOMEONE LIED TO YOU!" This was hilarious 😭😭😭

[@KalinTheZola]

I feel like people can sometimes use phrases like "show don't tell" as a platitude because they don't understand what that means and shows why people need to consider writing an art form that requires study and not just something you can say you are with full authority.

[@dervinci4757]

Steven Universe has always been a special show for me. I've been a fan since the beginning, having watched the premiere in 2013 at age 11. At the time, I felt that I connected with Steven due to his bubbly and 'wanting to see the best in people' nature. I had never seen a (human) character like Steven before, and even small details like his heavy-set design were super appreciated to me, as I wasn't exactly a slim kid myself. Looking back, it's odd really, I've been compared to Steven in real life before, but I've never really sat down and thought about how much this show grew with me. How Steven grew up with me. Of course, I'm not a half-gem half-human individual, but I was still a kid who was growing up and starting to see the world around himself for what it really is (that it's not all sunshine and rainbows), much as Steven would learn new things about the gems and the world around him not being picture-perfect either. Jump to 2019, back when we were first introduced to the time skip, Steven now being 16. Funny enough, I happened to be 16 years old when the movie premiered. It wasn't really until Future started airing that I had come to appreciate Steven growing with me, as I myself had been suffering from blaming myself for actions and feelings I had felt in the past and present. I had a hard time accepting myself, and would often let my anxiety get the best of me. Seeing that Steven was facing similar problems, although being fictional, was really comforting for me, and hell, I'd say helped me get onto my path to self-acceptance. When the finale aired, now being 17 at the time, I had never cried so much at any piece of media in my life. The finale and Steven turning into a monster felt so real to me, I knew exactly what he was feeling and it really stuck with me. Seeing Steven get through it, and him realize that although he isn't perfect, he still has a family that loves him and supports him made me realize that I'm not perfect, and that's okay. My favorite songs from SU further showcasing this, being "Looking Forward" and "Change Your Mind". I feel as though I can't thank Rebecca Sugar and her crew enough for their creation, as I definitely wouldn't be the same person I am today without it.

[@cyruscrompton8221]

"disabled likes and only allowed comments that agreed with them" "Jokes even if they're in poor taste" Man I wonder who hes talking about :-)

[@bugztandosffhat305]

*side eyes Lilly*

[@takke9830]

The most infuriating thing about reading white diamond as a „na*i“ is that rebecca explained in an interview that she was inspired by an old psa made for girls about menstruation that was being really rigid and cold and how she felt that white diamond representing that would be a good thing to have as a villian in the show. An old outdated system gatekeeper who doesn‘t really get the „youth“ with their „rainbow nonesense everywhere!“ basically that was what she was meant to be. The gem equivalent of that ra*ist relative essentially but as a representative of a advanced species. White is a traditionalist regressive if anything. And a symbol of a black and white rigid worldview. That‘s why her shoes look like ancient marble and her appearance looks both like a old timey statue and also a 20‘s cartoon. Like the actresses of old timey movies with that black lipstick. And I for one really appreciate that she was willing to change cause it represents that sugar at least believes that even old timey regressives can adapt and try to do better or at least understand the ones they try to opress. The show doesn‘t ever try to say being a bigot is ok if you just say sorry once. It‘s trying to find ways to actually change the minds of these kinds of people and systems in order to inspire children and adults that enjoy the show to try and solve issues without violence. And while there is a limit to what you can do, what the show does from the beginning is that although people can be messy and can get into fights so easily, there is still ways to talk about things and come to a consensus. Wich can happen. I did that myself. It‘s hard. It‘s very difficult, but it‘s not impossible. You just have to be willing to see the people you talk to as human beings and talk to them in ways that actually impacts them to open their minds and find consensus. We don‘t live in a perfect world of course. But we also won‘t ever get far especially in stuff like exploring the universe if we endlessly just go by a kill or be killed mentality.

[@deannawaller7462]

I grew up on Steven and I just lived for everything going on. My dad doesn’t like it because Steven has a gem in his bellybutton even tho never watching the show. And I’ve seen a comment saying “ If you like Steven universe you are gay” me being a straight person 🤨

[@kennyobi9871]

Stevens gem is on his stomach because he doesn't have a bellybutton. Steven never had an unbelical cord since he was never born. Your dad missed that. He also may have missed the gay is okay memo.

[@kyssully]

@@ocelotlesbian tf

[@sabriel_-]

Same👄👁️👄 Except for the fact that im gay- lol

[@aworldanonymous]

You've got me convinced to give it another try, I think my only barrier to it now is that what I remember from watching it is that I found it kinda twee for my tastes, which is fine, I get why people like that, but it's not really my style. The biggest thing that had me convinced not to continue watching it however. was the redemption arc thing, which as you've pointed out here is more about accountability and restorative justice than "instant redemption of the bad guys", which actually has me more interested to watch those parts of the show than I was before.

[@jamesaaron8578]

You can make a response video on Awstruckvox

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

Jasper never got any redemption and it’s kind of too late and she never will and I don’t want to any more she had a chance and she ruined it even and I am a monster she was nowhere to be found

[@guccelia2701]

To be honest, I don't mind that. Not everyone will have neat character arcs, and Jasper not coming around completely fits her character. The ending showed her at least having the inklings of changing her thinking- I feel that's more at home in the show's (and especially Future's) themes, that everyone changes and moves on in different ways. Jasper going from hate to scary adoration to confusion feels really interesting and dynamic for her, and lets you imagine what might happen in the future with her

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

@@guccelia2701 She can easily be manipulated into evil by bluebird

[@soumatwins8237]

I have a somewhat complicated relationship with Steven Universe. Originally I *hated* the show, but not due to fandom or anything. I hated it because the Season 1 marketing annoyed me and some season 1 episodes I peeked at grossed me out? In the sense that I judged it by the artstyle. On top of that a lot of people were insisting i had to watch it which made me petty as hell. Around the time I was a freshman though (I'm 24 now for reference) I saw some really cool fanart on tumblr that made me reconsider, so I "secretly" started watching it, not wanting people to go "I told you so," and fell in love. I "secretly" made fanart and eventually got so obsessed i just had to talk about it which made me... regrettably tell my ex. The very person that insisted I watched it in the first place and tried to get me into it by joking he looked like a hispanic Steven. My love for the show outgrew his since at a certain point he started talking shit about it being "milked" and on top of that I saw a lot more drama over the years about people criticizing the show and just.. A lot of rocks were thrown at me basically. He and I had a very messy breakup for unrelated reasons, people were criticizing the show in bad faith, some of my closest friends hated on some of my favorite characters or spread completely untrue rumors, i heard some horror stories involving the toxic part of the fandom, and on top of that I endured a couple of hiatuses so it felt like my love for the show kept being tested that by the time Future's finale aired i just felt exhausted.. I want to rewatch the show. I want to recontextualize it instead of seeing my abusive ex in Steven (in appearance alone with minor personality bits). I want to ignore all of the drama, but I guess it's just exhausting to even try now... All this to say *thank you* for making this video.. Even if idiots will continue to be idiots it puts me at ease knowing that there are good and well-informed people defending the show. I hope that makes sense, I'm not really good at articulating things..

[@mikaylalynn7682]

I absolutely loved all of SU because it taught me so much, even in just one episode. Ill always be a die hard SU fan 💘

[@azumarill964]

Steven Universe was one of my favorite cartoons of all time when it started, and I still acknowledge its moments of brilliance, that showcase what a special show it could´ve been, but at least for me, it has given one bad step after another, to the point in which it fell from grace for me. It in not a good show, nor a bad show, it is a cartoon that exists.

[@naijah8151]

U understand my feelings yet I get called a phobe and satan his words not mine I mean he said it in the video I’m gonna go watch ATLA😂😂

[@azumarill964]

@@naijah8151 Bruh, jails exist, gem bubbles that prevent regeneration exist, it is the least you can do to defeat a threat like the Diamond authority. I have no problem with the diamonds being portrayed as tragic individuals, but talking it out because of that is a bit too much.

[@purple1441]

Steven Universe used to be my favorite show from Seasons 1 to 3. I didn't like Seasons 4 and 5. The movie was okay, but then Future ruined everything. And the diamonds are probably the most poorly written villains I've ever seen in any form of media. Seasons 1 to 3 feel like they were written by an entirely different person compared to the rest of the show.

[@azumarill964]

@@purple1441 I’d probably take Future over seasons 4 and 5 any day. I understand it is not a good follow up to the ideas in the main show, but I still think it is fine as a story. I saw it when I was in a very low point in my life, and I could relate a little bit, and it made me feel a little bit better. Some episodes are gems, especially Snow Day. The finale was awful, but it was fine overall.

[@purple1441]

@@azumarill964 understandable

[@TheBig_Boss64]

It’s more popular to hate Star Vs than SU

[@stevenarts5415]

I dunno about that maybe svtfoe is hated just bc of the ending i gotta admit it was a fast wrapup with not mutch ecplonation and it was disapointing star deystroyed magic tho su can't be hated it is just imposiible to find any biig reason to say that the show is awful

[@supercvnt]

At least Svtfoe actually deserved criticism

[@stevenarts5415]

@@supercvnt yeah it did i'm not saying su deserved it., It doesn't

[@jaylinroyal2173]

@@supercvnt steven universe does deserve it critism what are you getting at the plot problems cliches bad writing handling of poor characters is valid critism and not because its popular it just it has bad writing ends conflicts terribly and and sends some bad messages sometimes

[@mariedit9935]

I mean... you're not wrong lol

[@ChaosEnthusiast]

this show did not deserve all this hate man

[@arlyduran1510]

AGREED!!!! Here’s my lil two cents on my SU experience: I was really skeptical of the show when it first started, but I got around to watching it during season 3. I fell in love with the character interactions and the hidden lessons the show had to provide. After seeing other good shows turn a bit sour as they progressed, I didn’t want that to happen to SU. Then the movie came out and my skepticism was proved wrong. Then same thing when Future was announced. The hatred towards SUF so was immense that I refrained from watching it until I asked one of my good friends if it was good or not. After a quick recommendation, I watched SUF in one whole sitting. The most impactful part of Future though was its portrayal of anxiety, depression, and ptsd. Yes it has a few issues with it, but there’s no such thing as a perfect representation. The insecurities of Steven not being needed, the anger towards himself for not knowing what his purpose is other than “helping”, the despair to which he turns to different (healthy AND unhealthy) coping mechanisms like planting or fighting and how even then coping doesn’t remove the issue from existing, to even the desperation of wanting to marry Connie because then he’d feel wanted again.... all of that connected to me as a person who deals with both anxiety and depression and has also suffered emotional trauma that still affects how I live and see myself to this day. I still turn to fanarts and conversations about the show because it shows me that what I’m living through is a real existing thing with real effects to both myself and the way I act. It says that I’m valid, and that it’s okay. If you hate the show because it’s not your thing, that’s alright. If you critically criticize it not for knocking it down but instead for analyzing it, that’s alright. Hating it and influencing others to despise it for its “bad morals and lessons and its immature childish image” is so heartbreaking to see and hear. This show has substance that can help someone to see the error of their ways or even strive to do better. Just like my hesitance to keep watching in fear of what horrible things this show could “teach me” almost prevented me from finding true comfort in the validation of my experiences, creating that hesitation in others could prevent them from finding something they could enjoy or even learn from. anywho those are my two cents but thank you to y’all for making it this far! Have a fantastic day!!!

[@krono7843]

When SU came out I thought it was just another stupid kids show but once I watched it I actually liked it and now its ij my top 5 favorite shows.

[@BrandonJames2016]

One of my friends refuses to watch the show because of “lesbian rocks” but I told them to give it a try and it wasn’t for them but they didn’t say it was trash so everyone has different tastes in shows and that’s fine

[@ChiupelAnimations]

i can NOT belive that people said "fusion is sex" i mean i get that it looks a bit too romantic sometimes (probably like 1-10 times, which is not much), but huh??? so steven, as a kid, had sex with: amethyst pearl garnet the 3 of them at a single time another kid (connie) same being a teenager, and as a teenager he had sex with his dad? oh nah

[@Whispersandwarnings]

Threesome!

[@jessiepandora7437]

I am a simple person, I see a Roundtable vid, I click. If I see Veridis Joe? I AM LIGHTSPEED

[@deshawnedwards6412]

The first Roundtable video of 2021!

[@kosei8338]

I am here now because I this show helped me threw my loneliness. It made me feel better about myself. It got me into singing which I love to this day. Most of my friends are not straight I love them so much. Do they like this show no. But when I bring it up to normies I get laughed at but it is a good show. My favorite show in the whole world and I cried to see it go

[@maurycyoseka1057]

Ruby Gleeman: "But critics hate Steven Universe." Grand Mama: "Of course they do. Critics are stupid."

[@NickAndriadze]

*24:29* That's exactly what I liked about King Andrias' ''redemption'' in Amphibia. He wasn't redeemed, he was just given a satisfying conclusion. His final scenes reflect that. Andrias, after thousands of heinous acts he did to the flora and fauna of Amphibia, is seen tending to the wildlife, *in chains,* which shows that he has not been forgiven. He has only been given a chance.

[@alexiaivan7708]

What’s so controversial about this show? At the end of the day, it’s a cartoon and should be treated as such

[@GemCB7]

Sure 👍

[@carlacarrero4975]

One of the reasons why it has a controversy is cause people actually think that this cartoon is teaching kids to forgive their abusers and is racist that’s what the people are saying not me

[@alexiaivan7708]

@@carlacarrero4975 well, yes, but that’s how you learn not to take everything for granted. I mean, I learned in early childhood not to believe everything I see on the telly. And again, this is fiction, and thus, should be treated accordingly

[@gimmekromer1151]

Uhh cartoons are not just for kids, they should put some effort in the plot

[@alexiaivan7708]

@@gimmekromer1151 I didn’t say they were.

[@Helehache]

Well, the resolution of the Steven Universe Final was a deception to me. All the hype to the plot of the Gems War and all end with Steven just saying to the diamonds: "Hey, ¿Can You not be so evil? Thanks". The Ending of Future wasn't Bad, but that series don't be the great thing.

[@laneyhawthorn4632]

I enjoyed the show, the music, and the movie. ...Steven Universe Future felt like a friend having a panic attack and I can’t do anything but watch. It hurt and I never finished. I care for Steven too much to see him in pain.

[@Goldstarman]

They had to rush the ending. You can't blame them for that.

[@CyberRaveLights]

They had to rush it. Its like having a full seven book trilogy, but have to shove it all into like, 3 episodes, things will be cut, it'll be clunky, and it'll be anticlimactic

[@Goldstarman]

@@CyberRaveLights They had to rush it because of the wedding episode.

[@Blackpapalink]

Not even all that. He literally went "No u" and White Diamond just turns a new leaf.

[@noakinn]

"name one show that's perfect" Avatar: TLA :))

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

True true

[@ZarenXI]

The Great Divide

[@COrraThereal0ne]

You mean Gary Stu Aang who literally bows as the plot demands him. The finale bullshit where Aang gets his *Avatar Spirit* back through getting *physically* hit in one spot in his back and immediately knows everything from his past lives. *IS JET ACTUALLY DEAD? THAT'S NOT EVEN A JOKE, THE WRITERS JUST GOT LAZY AND FORGOT ABOUT HIM THEN OFFHANDEDLY REFERENCE IT IN EMBER ISLAND PLAYERS* *THE PACING OF BOOK 3 IS RUBBISH* *Zuko's mom plot goes fucking nowhere and no I'm not gonna read a book to solve a plot thread explicitly set up in a fucking TV show and then went nowhere* *Zuko magically perfecting the lightning redirecting technique the instant he uses it against his father without having done so before hand* *The spirit world* *Aang probably could've called on another Avatar to possess his body if he was really hesitant in his fight with the fire lord* *Aang couldn't have called upon a spirit to posess his body in his fight with Ozai?* *Aang was specifically told that in order to regain his Avatar State he would have to let go of everyone he cares about and then it's never bought up again*

[@charleswashington3447]

@@COrraThereal0ne that's not what happened, he lost his connection to the avatar state when he got one shot in the back and had to reconnect to it. When Zuko redirected the lightning, isn't that what happenes to every anime character every. Everything else you said was true.

[@snorey1176]

@@ZarenXI great divide may be the worst episode in atla but it’s still a good one

[@cookievampiress]

This show will always mean a lot to me but that doesn’t mean it’s flawless I can learn from what it did right and what it did wrong and that’s OK

[@lenardbordo9838]

Let's hope the crew will too.

[@BigBroTejano]

Well, that thumbnail totally isn’t inviting some easily avoidable backlash that I’m sure won’t later be complained about.

[@QuBeeni]

@@DanzigFan-vq3zf wdym?????

[@jamesaaron8578]

@@DanzigFan-vq3zf hahahaahahahah How the hell it turn as click bait The time The thumbnail qoute Or even the video Is so bad that much worst part calling it a click bait

[@stevenrogers2684]

They literally picked a fight on purpose with that one. Then tried to play victim.

[@maxwellschwass]

Finally someone agrees with me that this show is more overhated than overrated, Also, I find the show's hatebase WORSE than the fanbase

[@TDOPB]

The fanbase telling someone to kill themselves for drawing a character wrong:

[@maxwellschwass]

@@TDOPB I understand that and I think the yin yang is definitely a great metaphor for media with a hellish community

[@maxwellschwass]

@Revo 2100 hey guess what, the South Park fanbase also drives people who suicide when they don't like the show and does they get backlashed for that? FUCK NO

[@TDOPB]

@@maxwellschwass Assuming you mean the steven universe fandom is the "light" side of the yin yang, you're dead wrong. I've not seen anyone on the "hatebase" tell people to kill themselves, meanwhile your community has: Given a motel crap reviews for the memes, thereby hurting a small business Told people to kill themselves over the way some art looked Harassed people actually WORKING on their own show AND hated on a kid for getting access to an episode early. I could go on.

[@maxwellschwass]

@@TDOPB you know what I'm just gonna say it.. I can still enjoy the show itself but FUCK FANBASES

[@GioFireheart]

I haven’t watched the full video, but my lack of interest in the show boils down to: 1. So. Much. Filler. 2. The pay off after wading through all the extraneous episodes didn’t really hit the mark for me 3. It seemed like the show didn’t really know what it wanted it’s demographic to be. Like adult themes, but very childish jokes. It was pretty jarring at times tbh Didn’t hate the show at all. I still listen to stronger than you lol. I just can’t find it in my heart to recommend it to anyone cuz the filler is such a slog to get through

[@NoName-st2jl]

Then don't watch the filler.

[@GioFireheart]

@@NoName-st2jl That’s more difficult to determine while the show is still airing, which is how I watched it. How am I supposed to tell an episode is filler till I watch it? 😂

[@FotoStudios418]

don't forget that in change your mind they just put everything they needed to solve in like 30 minutes

[@dumbledoratheexplorer1252]

I after the furst time watching, 2 weeks ago saw the fillers as chances to get to know the other characters. Tho in Season 5 the fillers became really really filler-y. Really could've given some focus to the gem society, like. Give an insight. I do like the show because the characters are nicely made, there's lore but yeah, it's not perfect.

[@dumbledoratheexplorer1252]

@@FotoStudios418 the show was about to be cancelled by the end of the year tho. So that one's understandable. I really would've loved more villain White and stuff too, and show more of the society

[@ruugann]

I never thought seven universe was bad tbh, nor because of the so called "gayness around it". It just wasn’t my thing as it was airing. edit: forgot to mention this I have seen SU before, then at some point I stopped watching, but do check back at it and some of the writing could have been done better, but Im no animator nor writer so I can't judge. the character development and I guess the focus on the sexualities' is a bit much but at the same time the whole, "be open about what you are as a person, never hide whats inside" is a too much as well but what can I do people like this some don't I don't mind cause nothing really bothers me. many artist and many writers have different beliefs so my thing is that Im neutral and bisexual so you can see why

[@eduardoho5637]

psyc0 I don't like Steven Universe at all, and it's not homophobia as I prefer other cartoons that also happen to feature LGBT characters like The Loud House and The Owl House. Those shows learned to write LGBT characters much better than SU by treating them like normal common characters and not making their sexualities a big deal. Late SpongeBob creator Stephen Hillenburg outed his yellow sponge creation as an asexual, something that real-life sea sponges really are, and stated that his sole agenda is plain and simple entertainment, not giving any single damn to his characters' orientation. This is what I really call progressive and inclusive, not SU which deserves a lot of fair flack because it does not represent LGBT people at all.

[@ruugann]

@@eduardoho5637 ok....thank you for that...and dude I just said "wasn't my thing as it was airing

[@ghostpoke]

Steven universe future blew my expectations out of the water. this is a Childs cartoon we are talking about and i was invested all the way to the end of the show. Steven didn't feel out of character at the end, is was a mental break down and i felt so invested in the effects he had on himself and others around him. the emotions and his ups and downs felt real. unexpected, manic..

[@malusofficial]

Damn okay Verdis getting those collabs I see you!

[@aurawarrior1367]

I don’t care what people say about Steven universe, whether it’s good or bad it will always hold a special place in my heart. For context, I’m going to have to go on a bit of a personal rant. In my sophomore year of high school, my mom had died, I don’t remember the details, but I do remember her dying when she was on some kind of physical therapy recovery thing, so her death was extra shocking to me, because she was so close to being discharged. Keep in mind this was September, 2019, so when the pandemic rolled around in 2020, I had a lot of time to stew in that grief. With all the extra time on my hands, (I think I started watching SU in late/winter break 2019-2020, it was in February 2020 at the latest I think). I turned to media for comfort, I heard SU focused on a dead mom, so I thought, “why not?” And binged it. The episode that hit me hard ESPECIALLY was “Raising the barn”. Because I could relate to Peridot’s pain of losing not only a loved one, but also a place that held a lot of tender memories, since after mom died I had also lost my childhood home in a very short timespan (I was living with my dad at the time). It was like the show had pulled a “Is THIS your card?” Trick and pulled out peridot.

[@yowonderland5710]

I genuinely didn't like the show to begin with, I thought EVERYONE LIKED the show. I knew nothing about the hatedom.

[@flowerbit4137]

THANK YOU!! Steven Universe needed a video like this so badly

[@nameless_noofab]

my classmates do be hating me for being too addicted ( they said "they waste their time singing nonsense" )

[@BootybaHooty]

get new friends

[@azcartoons4622]

The songs of Steven Universe are beautiful works of art

[@eduardoho5637]

At least, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi had much better nonsense singing.