Oracle - Civilization VI Wonder Spotlight

[@mayguim]

One of my favorite wonders, it tends to work really well with pingala's boost of 100% to the great people points generated in the city

[@unholyxeras8182]

it generates stupid GPP in such a city...and discounts their purchase. Put Pingala and oracle in the same city and you can almost guarantee whatever great people are important to your game

[@speedypichu6833]

@@unholyxeras8182 Yeah, It works so well for culture victory I can't even get enough slots for great writers.

[@livinginlux]

I appreciate your "in-depth" series and would like to see more of those. For example: War Weariness: at what point and to what degree are cities affected by war weariness at each level, and what can be done to offset it? Trade Routes: what determines the length (distance) of the routes, the yields, and the length (time) it takes to form a new route? Which policies/wonders/city-states/etc increase or improve routes? Barbarians: what determines when, where, and how often they spawn, and which units they produce? The Chopping/Harvesting mechanic: Give a master class on how and when to chop/harvest optimally. Alliances: the pros and cons of each type, and how to go about securing them.

[@Ma1n_Zane]

Hey Saxy, thought I'd point this out, if you are playing in 'Heroes & Legends mode' Oracle has been updated to give 15% reduced Hero recalls. I would greatly appreciate it if you updated your videos to include updated effects or a pinned comment/in-video description for wonders changed by these new packs.

[@GabrielSoares-ju9yq]

the 25% faith discount can be REALLY good with brasil.

[@Ozhar1]

And Indonesia, and Russia

[@rudebox5688]

I feel like you should discuss more nuanced or less obvious interactions when doing these videos. For example, a few people are probably watching this and wondering how it works with lavras. Unfortunately it just gives extra gp points, not writer or artist, but that kind of thing should be covered in an in depth spotlight.

[@gamma-smash2157]

I actually really like the purchasing. Late game some scientists can help rush and if you are a bit behind you can buy a scientist with a. Little extra faith.

[@raducora7159]

If you can also get the goddess of the harvest pantheon, then the Oracle becomes and incredibly strong wonder, as that 25% discount can really be used to it's maximum.

[@jonathanbowers8964]

I miss goddess of the harvest now that Gathering Storm took her away

[@IronJoeHorn]

I kind of like the utility of less faith to purchase great people. Especially in late game if you have a lot of faith or have captured some cities with a lot of faith. You can pretty much cherry pick whatever great people you want. I think its biggest drawback is its unlocked with mysticism which if you go for early kind of puts you behind with getting stuff that is usually more useful unless you are going for a faith victory

[@vicratlhead2228]

I like it for warmongering if I'm going knight rush on a bigger map. That playstyle gives you breathing room in the early game and will help you get generals quickly. Generally I do not found when warmongering but my conquests give me a ton of holy sites. Generally I dump faith into great people instead. The Oracle shines here. That's when I really crank out GPs.

[@richardgreenwood1268]

Hey saxy gamer you should do ratings on all the great people,letting us know which ones are worth getting and which ones are not. Ex. Isaac Newton and Hypatia

[@TheSaxyGamer]

I likely will eventually do a few videos on some of the best great people of each category!

[@Mr-Money01]

If you use the district duplication glitch this is OP

[@darabracken-clarke1672]

I thought the combination of The Oracle with Peter (with his rather excellent Lavra) and Dance of the Aurora was quite a nice synergy. Use your highly boosted faith generation for GP of your choice.

[@julianhana1]

Could you do a vid on great people in general? In older civs, they were really different. I guess it is not detrimental anymore to go for different types of great people. I never really understood them

[@MoonLiteNite]

Basically buildings/districts/wonders provide great people points. Each type of Great person has points that are required to unlock it. The first person who hits that value gets the option to give up their points for the great person, or skip it. An example would be 100 great scientist points for the great scientist. Next one is unlocked once you gather up 250, and next 500, etc.... Great people work in different ways, an example would be a great scientist could give you 500 sci per a jungle next to him when activated. Or maybe 500 per a mountain, or maybe provide you a free library and university. Markets can provide a free bank, or maybe provide you with the JEANS amenity. So there are some cases where it would be better for you to skip over a great person, save your points and most likely you will be next in line to get the option at the next great person of that type. Hope that helps.

[@ethribin4188]

This rating system is way better :D Good job. Still feel the difficulty assuming diety makes the difficulty rating missleading, as Im certain the majority of civ players are casual and play on Prince or King. But still :D Good new rating system

[@TheSaxyGamer]

Thanks! The difficulty rating can be helpful to those who do play on deity, and even if not, some of the stuff with it can still apply. I definitely think the new system works a bit better than the old one.

[@speedypichu6833]

@@TheSaxyGamer 2 years too late, but yeah, the AI will rush Stonehenge, The Hanging Gardens, and the Oracle no matter whether it's Deity or Settler

[@jasonsacchi]

In dos version, the shape of the Oracle is square.

[@rollercoaster478]

Saxy gamer please help. The game (vanilla) doesn't even show me the option to build an Oracle and the Mahabodhi Temple. Not in my capital and not in any other city. I have hills in spades, I have every other Wonder as a possible production. I don't understand.

[@chefmott1]

Have you built the Oracle yet

[@jadedfelix]

I have never given the Oracle the time of day before watching this. Now I will try to include it in my strat.

[@MoonLiteNite]

So you are telling me the oracle doesn't help me win culture victory? :D

[@DakotaDuncancheerwine01]

I get the impression he doesn't play culture victory a lot.

[@speedypichu6833]

It does help, but on higher difficulties you will generate more tourism from natural parks and seaside resorts than great works

[@Wjw129]

I have to disagree with you saying that it isn't built that often. Oracle is a must-build for civilizations that rely on great people points to achieve a scientific/cultural victory, or if you want to play tall in terms of great people with a super-city generating the majority of your great people points (useful for if you want one district type in all of your other cities, and want to dedicate another city to generating gpp that AREN'T from that district type) - Pingala is also amazing when combined with Oracle to give you a monopoly on a certain gpp type. Scotland, Kongo, Russia, England, etc. all perform fantastically in terms of great people with the Oracle built.

[@Wjw129]

Respectively it is also a good counter to these civs' abilities if playing as a civ with no gpp bonuses.

[@swimmer7569]

Where's the rest of the gorgo play through

[@TheSaxyGamer]

Its on a bit of a hold for now. I haven't had a whole bunch of time for producing videos, and the big series have taken priority over the let's play. It'll likely be back, but I can give an idea as for when.

[@MouseDestruction]

I feel oracles in a weird spot. Much stronger if your using the less faith for great people. But if you are generating faith you probably want to be spreading religion

[@tonyrosetti2738]

I feel like you're overrating the Oracle a bit. The GPPs you get only become impactful when you get multiple districts, and the faith purchase bonus is meh unless you are getting a religion. That makes this wonder pretty iffy for science (unless you're Arabia I suppose). You could just build another city and another campus+library to get the same bonus. In other words, I think this wonder would be better if "tall" strategies were stronger (because it makes 1 city do the work of two), but civ 6 is strongly focused on "wide" strategies. I think you're generally better off just building more settlers instead of sinking production into the Oracle. At best, you've got an ancient wonder (hard to get and a time when settlers are REALLY important) that works best later (with multiple districts and enough faith to actually buy GPs).

[@darkstorminc]

First??? Wow! Good vid too

[@TheSaxyGamer]

Thanks!

[@kipblass2131]

You make excellent videos and are blessed with a voice that can make a great living for ya. But this is the first time I disagree pretty strongly with your assessment. This wonder is rubbish. First, it goes ridiculously early on deity-SH is in a category all by itself for difficulty, but Oracle and HG are roughly tied for the 2nd most difficult, all of which are 10X + harder than all the rest. Definitely deserves a 4 if you want to highlight how ridiculous SH is, or a 5 if you want to lump the three deity-impossible wonders together. Second, the value of Oracle scales inversely with the number of cities that you have, as most or usually all of your cities will have the district that is most important to your intended victory condition. So its pretty good if you have 4 cities and pretty worthless if you have 40 cities. But this is a wide-city game as opposed to Civ5's tall-city game; the game in general will be easier to excel at and win if you have more cities. Using the colonization trick to double and then quadruple the size of your empire, the hammers at the point of the game when Oracle is available are much better spent on a settler or two, as your empire will go from 6 to 12 to 24 cities, instead of 4 to 8 to 16 cities.those 8 extra cities will each have one of the important districts in them leading to 8 more of the important GPP, and 8 is better than 2, and that's before considering the GPP from the buildings in the districts. Further, the extra cities are guaranteed (provided real estate) whereas the Oracle is a risk. That said, as for use cases there are really only two good ones: first, if you want to pursue a culture or science victory (for reasons that you outlined) with a narrow/tall empire, and that's really only an OK strategy and for only one civ: Kongo. And second is for a culture game with Russia (and maybe Arabia.) This is because the faith discount of towards great people can be very impactful for writers/artists/musicians (3 types as opposed to other victory conditions 1-2 types) in a civ that has a high faith output, which is likely because of holy sites. This is pretty versatile at lower difficulties, but at deity you're usually not bothering with a religion or holy sites as you focus on theater squares along with the generally impactful districts (campus, CH, harbor/etc.) Since Russia gets 1 each of the CV-GPP from it's holy site, which is discounted, they are set up very well for the Oracle, as their pursuit of culture-based GPP comes more from the lavra, which is half the price of the theater square, and build theater squares mostly to house the GP that the lavra provides. A side effect of this is generating lots of faith, which complements the Oracle perfectly.