Quick clarification: At 7:07, we mistakenly dated our previous video July 7, 2021 -- that video was from last year and we released it on July 7, 2020.
@zoramajora58933 жыл бұрын
You're not time travelers?? I feel lied to 🥺
@JJviniciuss3 жыл бұрын
Stop with the fake news, we know you guys have time-travelers
@heyitstiesey3 жыл бұрын
wait whats gonna happen on july 7, 2021??? is this a sign?
@khievvivadh82143 жыл бұрын
U missed the part where Sinatraa went Complicated A lie
@crinklecutchipscringe91673 жыл бұрын
Wrong, I know time travellers when I see them
@eruptic65033 жыл бұрын
Kinda ironic that Riot is investigating this case yet many of their employees have come out saying that they had been sexually assaulted by coworkers.
@Underground.Rabbit3 жыл бұрын
Its one big horseshit. We really need to distinguish sexual harassment and vulgar flirtation. One childish move and the man is canceled completely now.
@peacockts3 жыл бұрын
@@Underground.Rabbit yikes
@Christopher-gd2nm3 жыл бұрын
@@Underground.Rabbit i think raping someone repeatedly is more than "one childish move"
@Underground.Rabbit3 жыл бұрын
@@Christopher-gd2nm lmaoo was talking about Riot. Prove that about sinatraa too he is innocent until proven guilty. Audio clip is open for interpretations and remember this fact doesnt care about your feelings.
@yuqfps32993 жыл бұрын
@@Underground.Rabbit yikes
@ziq14503 жыл бұрын
i just wanna imagine sinatraa in court going "your honor im not even trolling, i didnt" "your honor this guys braindead no cap"
@Knitrokr2 жыл бұрын
xD
@I_brake_4_children2 жыл бұрын
LMFAO
@arkantalebi55192 жыл бұрын
XD
@melviness47692 жыл бұрын
On God 💀💀💀
@HappyVLR2 жыл бұрын
xd
@rebucgnimagla55213 жыл бұрын
I think we shouldn’t flame sinatraa or Cleo until the investigation is finished.
@heyitstiesey3 жыл бұрын
exactly. they could easily be false accusations or they could be real. it's hard to know until we get further info from official investigators.
@chimosgameclub97653 жыл бұрын
So I'm in generel "Guilty until proven not" But the recording is public, and it is not for the faint of hearts. Even if found not guilty. I wouldn't like cheering for a team he is on
@waynejia93223 жыл бұрын
@@chimosgameclub9765 the saying goes innocent until proven guilty...its how court works bud.
@amai-w8f3 жыл бұрын
@@chimosgameclub9765 i think you dropped some braincells here sir
@unpinned3 жыл бұрын
@@chimosgameclub9765 🤨👉🚪
@user-hr3om7jy5o3 жыл бұрын
I find it kinda funny how he was playing ranked and typing to all the streamers and stuff that one night
@Luukv.L3 жыл бұрын
The document was also last editted like 10 days before she released it, she was litteraly waiting for Jay to make noise again so she could instantly take him down again lmfao
@oasis79083 жыл бұрын
Yeah Yeah I i is
@mist20573 жыл бұрын
@@Luukv.L fr?
@Luukv.L3 жыл бұрын
@@mist2057 yea if you go to the document and hover over something topleft you could see it
@Yukiyak03 жыл бұрын
@@Luukv.L maybe she edited typos?
@kromzilla37813 жыл бұрын
Posting a picture of a random dollar amount sent and saying "it was for my plan B" is about as credible as me posting a pic of my stimulus check and saying "Biden sent me this for hookers and cocaine"
@meta.58483 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@keylon45183 жыл бұрын
fr and its $60 plan b isn't $60. wanna know what is? a triple a video game
@DerpDave_3 жыл бұрын
Im dead
@rodmunduruca25873 жыл бұрын
@@keylon4518 plan b is 60$ u doffs
@legatelanius11033 жыл бұрын
@@rodmunduruca2587 if only your mother had $60 back then
@0Wizard3 жыл бұрын
Yet they think Twitter publicity is justice?
@rainystormy61283 жыл бұрын
Accusing people on social media just doesnt work. Just go to court ffs then announce it when there is a verdict.
@MrInosensei3 жыл бұрын
That's the problem social media is not the platform for these kind of issues. There are multiple non-profit organizations and proper authorities that help and deal with these kind of problems.
@ALLAHwithdaughterALLAT3 жыл бұрын
PEASANT SINATRA FANGAYS hahah
@ALLAHwithdaughterALLAT3 жыл бұрын
peasant GAYme hahah
@tebble36743 жыл бұрын
That mentality is dumb. Like hell nah twitter only makes it worse
@skull1233 жыл бұрын
This man did more hand gestures than I ever did in my life.
@Weiss640_3 жыл бұрын
lmaoooo i just noticed
@seamoose17313 жыл бұрын
it's official. tiktok is the culprit
@jackojuice86913 жыл бұрын
facts
@DJMoth033 жыл бұрын
ew tiktok
@prillist3 жыл бұрын
Yeah even tho tiktok doesn’t even know who Sinatra is
@yunix92693 жыл бұрын
@@DJMoth03 watch tiktok and you'll get addicted
@LeBornMajes3 жыл бұрын
@@yunix9269 i didn't, i got bored after 20 minutes then deleted it
@timothychan973 жыл бұрын
Only thing I can't believe is how Overwatch pulled his MVP skin and said they would not be making any more MVP skins after this, before any investigations happened. If the allegations aren't true, they would've invalidated his achievements in the game for nothing.
@puppywoofr3 жыл бұрын
They havent pulled the skin. I still have/use it. They're offering refunds for those who want them, however I havent looked into it to figure out how. As of right now, people who purchased the skin still have it and can use it in game.
@timothychan973 жыл бұрын
@@puppywoofr ah I see, I guess I assumed they pulled his skin when they offered refunds for it.. thanks for the clarification!
@Alex.af.Nordheim3 жыл бұрын
@@puppywoofr they removed the badges on the skin tho, and I doubt they'll add them back even if he's proven innocent
@maskimgalgo20463 жыл бұрын
@@fiawms that age like milk bro. SJW !? More like full on sex offenders
@malazan60043 жыл бұрын
Welcome to society for men in 2021
@fahimmosharrof72093 жыл бұрын
Yes 2021, the year when actual sexual assault allegations are twitter fights. Good job everyone
@aakash9503 жыл бұрын
hahahha but what was the year when that actual thing took place
@nelsonyou46383 жыл бұрын
* 2020 2
@murraystenhouse84693 жыл бұрын
The police are already involved, but when dealing with public figures the media side of things is extremely important so that (assuming it's true) they lose their position of power.
@diggy30593 жыл бұрын
@@nelsonyou4638 the twitter argument is 2021
@darthvader39463 жыл бұрын
Imagine Sinatraa watching these videos 😂
@DoubleDown3103 жыл бұрын
Imagine Sinatraa replying "First" in the comment section 😆
@wynot9993 жыл бұрын
sinatraa responded to the story of sinatraa video soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@torn4do7033 жыл бұрын
I am
@harimahmed22603 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't he watch them? This is a big channel
@denzel4443 жыл бұрын
He probably is watching to be honest
@crinklecutchipscringe91673 жыл бұрын
I think these things should just go straight to court and be handled there, stupid to get randos involved and let them comment and react. I think victims should, assuming they have the money to do so, rather approach law enforcement, if they want to destroy the accused's reputation, a court case will do that too.
@bernardeugenio3 жыл бұрын
cleo filed the police report according to this video.
@asdfkjhlk343 жыл бұрын
Sexual assault victims rarely are able to get proper legal recourse though
@darthasavage72133 жыл бұрын
Honestly this should be law.. people are being punished too harshly for one side of the argument, when were supposed to be innocent until proven guilty
@crinklecutchipscringe91673 жыл бұрын
@@bernardeugenio That's great, I hope justice unfolds
@crinklecutchipscringe91673 жыл бұрын
@@asdfkjhlk34 Yeah I thought of that, it sucks that the system doesn't always work, hopefully in the future it improves. Even if they don't win the case, a case against someone with a following about something as serious as this is bound to damage their reputation. Especially if there is proper evidence behind it as there is here. My main reasoning for why I think they shouldn't take it online is that the backlash they could receive could cause them extreme distress, I think they should rather try with court and stay offline to help their own emotional and mental state.
@Jesus-oh6nb3 жыл бұрын
I literally only found out about this dude this morning not by his allegations but this channels entrance of him. And then 15 minuetes after watching the video I see the first video of the allegations, I just got out of the shower and I see this uploaded 20 minuetes ago. First impressions am I right?
@HiddeNinja893 жыл бұрын
That surprising since he's a popular esports figure.
@trepstechs51193 жыл бұрын
@@HiddeNinja89 not that popular my guy, everyone plays different games and watch/pay attention different gaming community, not everyone pays attention to valorant
@youngcitybandit3 жыл бұрын
@@trepstechs5119 i feel like players like faker and s1mple are big enough for most esport fans to know. Sinatraa isn't as big as their names but still is big enough fof people to know without playing OW and val
@trepstechs51193 жыл бұрын
@@youngcitybandit not really since OW isnt as big or popular as many other esports game genre out there and valorant is just growing atm so expect most people to not know who are the current people whos playing pro in em.
@pauli79113 жыл бұрын
minuetes
@jojomaho3 жыл бұрын
Was it a coincidence that his ex suddenly posted a part 2 of the accusations, when there was a rumor of him playing valo again?
@crazymcjesus3 жыл бұрын
Who cares regardless
@mist20573 жыл бұрын
And shitting on his current girlfriend. She is not helping her case.
@karlf15073 жыл бұрын
@@crazymcjesus everyone
@Yukiyak03 жыл бұрын
I dont understand your point?
@1431-y7g3 жыл бұрын
@@crazymcjesus then you probably just wasted 10 mins on a vid about a topic you don't give a shit about or whot
@Alex-------3 жыл бұрын
When you spend all your character points on hand movements
@rumham3153 жыл бұрын
this is funny
@eatrocks67043 жыл бұрын
tierzoo?
@Rico-ug1vv3 жыл бұрын
I agree! Super distracting!
@LarkinDowling3 жыл бұрын
Who ever is guilty is guilty but it is kinda fishy that she decides to put out a part 2 right when rumors that he’s playing Val again
@biggiecheese173 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and there is no way he would throw away his entire career just to coom bro
@aterriblefuze95403 жыл бұрын
This is very suspicious. Also, why would any sane individual not take legal action on this? Posting it on Twitter sounds like a cheap way to gain publicity.
@LarkinDowling3 жыл бұрын
@@biggiecheese17 lol didn’t know the pope liked valorant
@unbeatable6173 жыл бұрын
Of course she would, if he actually abused and assaulted her she wants to ruin his life, that's the point of making it public
@aterriblefuze95403 жыл бұрын
@@unbeatable617 Or she could have done this in a selfish attempt to kill a career for selfish means.
@jackbrax78083 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind everyone that in law there is a principle called “innocent until proven guilty” and “evident beyond a reasonable doubt.” We will never know enough details to really have a complete picture no matter how damning the evidence seems. Let the cops and organization deal with this.
@patrickcooke5773 жыл бұрын
True. I'm sick of ppl destroying his reputation, I can't imagine being in his shoes
@jackbrax78083 жыл бұрын
@@dinisgoncalves3744 Idk. That’s why I make zero calls.
@dtester3 жыл бұрын
@@dinisgoncalves3744 The current evidence isn't that strong yet if you view it without bias. We still need more info.
@xanderwyatt82343 жыл бұрын
@@dinisgoncalves3744 what about it seems obvious? It honestly seems more suspicious that she releases more info after he's supposedly playing Val with pros again and is going to twitter before authorities.
@Someone-is4lx3 жыл бұрын
@@xanderwyatt8234 keep in mind that the last time she edited the document was 10 days before she released it and she deleted it later on and she spent like 75% of the document making herself look like the victim and trying to get people's sympathy
@ando_ow3 жыл бұрын
It’s crazy that that esports want to be so much close to sports but no way a ronaldo or any other famous sport player just get suspended by a twitter post without a judge involving
@kannakun32583 жыл бұрын
No one under the age of 25 cares about soccer tho. Old people sport, and basically has no future lmao.
@shallter4553 жыл бұрын
@@kannakun3258 so many people love this sport and are under 25 lol your clearly American
@heyitstiesey3 жыл бұрын
elaborate?
@kannakun32583 жыл бұрын
@@shallter455 No, im german. No one under the age of 25 cares at all, even here whetr soccer is big. The sports dead in under 15 years.
@shallter4553 жыл бұрын
@@kannakun3258 wtf is soccer you clearly have no friends if you think this sport is dying or have never been to another country other then Germany, many people love this sport and play it football is still the most played sport in England and Brazil and legit every one in my school who was set 1 for pe had been in a football club before and we played football at lunchtime and played fifa it is a massive thing here and other European countries
@lee-nv2xs3 жыл бұрын
I just don't understand why they put these kinds of situations on social media, its so stupid.
@Someone-is4lx3 жыл бұрын
Clout
@aoi51703 жыл бұрын
Cleo is lying and just wants clout, simple.
@bruhmk69713 жыл бұрын
@@aoi5170 you want some clout 😏
@TheRealNickG3 жыл бұрын
@@aoi5170 Yep. If they want to change my mind they need to get the police to make a statement. If she has turned him in and he is under a REAL investigation, then that changes things. She thinks this is a SCOTUS hearing talking about shit 40 years ago. Nah, beotch, this JUST happened. I say she should hand all of her evidence over to the police and BOTH of them made to cooperate with the proper authorities. This disingenuous "internal investigation" crap is just stupid.
@MissNymwhen3 жыл бұрын
@@bruhmk6971 this is just so stupid. Just name ONE person who this had a positive effect on their carreer. Yes in the short run they get some headlines but in the long run no extra “clout” and they do this because u winning a case is hard when its about domestic abuse. They may also want to warn people. A streamer is in a huge position of power.
@hanjeyoung93483 жыл бұрын
Really wish false sexual assault/rape accusations come with jail time or at the very least a fine. Most people that go through that shit can't recover for a few years at best.
@tallerstond81053 жыл бұрын
pretty sure they do
@Dixie_normous223 жыл бұрын
they do.
@AvengedKittyLP3 жыл бұрын
tallerstond not in the UK or US since the DA/Judges don't prosecute
@jmiod28193 жыл бұрын
Youre saying it as if the case is closed and that cleo lied tf??
@oister16583 жыл бұрын
Look at the NairoMK allegations from the Super Smash scene
@andrewcui11243 жыл бұрын
for some reason i can only see his hand motions wtf
@torn4do7033 жыл бұрын
Yeah this guy moves his hand too much
@andreyllosa91063 жыл бұрын
yeah still distracting af
@Underground.Rabbit3 жыл бұрын
Acting like a journalist or some shit. It looks fake and forced.
@emilwitten24723 жыл бұрын
Facts please stop
@strategicinsomniac56073 жыл бұрын
Apparently they are speaking to us from the future: 7:05 They are telling us what they will post in July of this year haha.
@Casquero183 жыл бұрын
damn, they are predicting
@Thanos233 жыл бұрын
Wtf!! X-files music on the backround 😱🪐
@Casquero183 жыл бұрын
@@Thanos23 omg pog
@Rob.Brown133 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the shit was actually sent to the police or a lawyer, instead of just posted on twitter. Shit might actually get done. This shit is just stupid... Let the law deal with it and the courts do their job. Twitter is not the way to solve any of this and shouldn't be on the platform or any platform.
@Noridademon3 жыл бұрын
3 months later she doesn’t show up to court lmao
@somegalulbad6423 жыл бұрын
@@Noridademon hella fishy fr
@lifenote19433 жыл бұрын
There’s not enough proof for a court case so this is literally her only option
@cholovelasco67523 жыл бұрын
There was not enough proof because al the proofs given are one sided only. It's always like this when it comes to women ( I am in no way trying to justify this madness of abuse I am explaining facts) only their side are correct. You'll never know if this is just like the woman who accused 2 athletes of gang raping her and admitted she just didn't want to look bad to the guy she likes that's why she couldn't admit she takes it by 2s. :V
@dhwi57802 жыл бұрын
bro they want fame
@athena1289x3 жыл бұрын
Until we get as much of the picture as we can, let's just leave Cleo and Jay alone.
@Tommy02203 жыл бұрын
Drama always comes from discord. When will they learn ?
@malcolmkyeremeh54443 жыл бұрын
^ fr lmao, and the mfs dont ever even cover their tracks
@megatrolllol81643 жыл бұрын
just hope they don't lol
@SavageSimba3 жыл бұрын
Google discord definition
@olivia-mm7pi3 жыл бұрын
WTF? how about instead of men learning where not to SA, they learn not to do it all together
@okawarito70313 жыл бұрын
@@olivia-mm7pihow about not writing "all man"?
@ifiig82203 жыл бұрын
Let the legal process decide. If she had real evidence it doesn't make sense to put it on Twitter instead of taking it to a lawyer.
@chickennoodles88453 жыл бұрын
I agree but I think half of it is for the clout
@niet31913 жыл бұрын
She probably wouldn't win in court so she wants to ruin his reputation and career
@chickennoodles88453 жыл бұрын
@UCJpUDe6PSQIqCMu_k08U7Ew yea and the audio clip is laughable if you guys look at it
@chickennoodles88453 жыл бұрын
@UCJpUDe6PSQIqCMu_k08U7Ew what the why is ur name like that
@joshxzy3 жыл бұрын
Now the Waiting Game begins.
@TheBullet00123 жыл бұрын
Exactly.. This might drag out for quite a while.. We'll have to wait for the investigation to finish first..
@pol44r3 жыл бұрын
So you're telling me he recorded the video then sent her it but she won't post the entire vid ?
@acarith84943 жыл бұрын
Thats indeed what seems to have happened. Maybe there was something she didnt want to show? I have no clue
@d4s0n2823 жыл бұрын
@@acarith8494 tbh seems insanely sus, if she was not dying, why would she not want to show all of it?
@amrfleder3 жыл бұрын
@@d4s0n282 maybe because it’s something super personal that she doesn’t want the public to see? is the audio clip she released not enough
@Oky1y3 жыл бұрын
@@amrfleder when it comes to something that involves law you don’t just hide something that important so there is probably something sus
@blackhand82993 жыл бұрын
@@amrfleder It could have been out of context ya dingus
@purpleglitz3 жыл бұрын
he really said "is it cuz i'm ugly" ??? how much more of an insecure pick-me guy can you get, dude has no trust in his girlfriend at the time
@templarexemplar353 жыл бұрын
Dude is literally a child but has a huge ego cuz he won owl
@purpleglitz3 жыл бұрын
@@templarexemplar35 yikes he needs a personality change
@purpleglitz3 жыл бұрын
@@bigrob0555 nah the way he talks has manipulative tendencies, especially to a girl who idolizes him. it wouldn’t be surprising if he did take advantage in that case.
@purpleglitz3 жыл бұрын
@@bigrob0555 she said in her longer that she was and she also got an iud for him, no girl is getting an iud for just anyone, that shit hurts. but her saying stop when he knows she goes to the hospital for it still wasn’t enough hmmm
@scottiye14523 жыл бұрын
@@purpleglitz dude chill we do not jump into conclusions until both sides plus it not ur matter its the police matter not urs
@vdb21923 жыл бұрын
the hands just don't stop
@Ian-hw9nn3 жыл бұрын
Some people do it so it helps them speak clearly
@aesie12293 жыл бұрын
fr wtf ☠️he moving his hands so much 😂
@DominickDecocko3 жыл бұрын
@@Ian-hw9nn pretentious and low quality move.
@K_J_Coleman_Composer3 жыл бұрын
She: submits allegations publicly on Twitter. He: submits apology publicly on Twitter. She: You don't apologize, why didn't you do this in private?? Sounds like someone trying hard to make him look bad
@narrow36013 жыл бұрын
Exactly, not saying Sinatraa is automatically innocent but I'm just saying that that did look like she was trying to make him look bad there
@xythiera72553 жыл бұрын
@@narrow3601 Nothing happened so he is.inmocent . Just a jelouse ex who cant stand he does great in live .
@narrow36013 жыл бұрын
@@xythiera7255 cool
@tbone94743 жыл бұрын
This is why I don't go for permanent relationships anymore, more than happy being a single father
@fyeaaaaa3 жыл бұрын
Happy for you mate
@silverplayer75023 жыл бұрын
More power to you man
@good-ol-cam3 жыл бұрын
Ur pfp brings back a lot of nostalgia
@tbone94743 жыл бұрын
@@good-ol-cam my way of seeing people of my generation;)
@purplewine73623 жыл бұрын
just accept that no means no and you won't have such a problem in a relationship ever
@Dumbo_Dumbo3 жыл бұрын
"Pt. 2" but literally half of the video is the same thing we already heard in part 1. Why?
@grs35793 жыл бұрын
Lol i thought i was the only one that believed this. This video is totally useless, the battle of the girlfriends part could have been a 2 3 min part in a proper video once we got Sinatraa's response, they are milking this topic so much and it's so frustrating tbh
@rocker100393 жыл бұрын
Milk that $$$. That's why
@burger4063 жыл бұрын
7:07 that a video coming out in 3 months?
@1ahs9213 жыл бұрын
LOL nice catch
@seannoller55573 жыл бұрын
I didn't even see that LOL
@pikaguifalbets72053 жыл бұрын
we time travelling today boys
@hotdallogg89023 жыл бұрын
no it was a typo. they meant to type 2020, not 2021 ;)
@tempesttries3 жыл бұрын
I think Sinatra might be getting cleared soon. With TenZ playing Raze for Sen it feels like they’re setting up for Sinatra to come back into the roster
@InternetAntagonist3 жыл бұрын
Yea I feel like this is all a setup
@gabogantiel64213 жыл бұрын
Who will they bench
@tempesttries3 жыл бұрын
@@gabogantiel6421 TenZ cause he's on loan from c9
@Someone-is4lx3 жыл бұрын
@@tempesttries doubt it, they have to make him play on the team as much as they can to take advantage of the loan
@LoneBeastYT3 жыл бұрын
@@Someone-is4lx loans have expiry dates, tenz's loan was supposed to expire before the vct, dunno if they renewed the contract or c9 decided to extend the contract out of pity.
@hourglass42083 жыл бұрын
Nobody knows what happened besides those two. Period.
@elk73083 жыл бұрын
The texts show that in response to cleo saying she doesn't always want to have sex and sometimes just wants to cuddle, his response is to sulk and throw himself a pity party to try to guilt her into sex. Emotionally manipulative shit like that is enough to make me believe her over him
@unreale26953 жыл бұрын
Those texts could be so easily faked.
@elk73083 жыл бұрын
@@unreale2695 Indeed they could but considering the lack of evidence to back that up so far we have to take it at face value
@oxozy3 жыл бұрын
Bro u fr believe the 2nd doc? The texts compared to the context she gave it doesn't make any fucking sense, and you can literally see in the texts shes trying her hardest to look like the victim, its clear as day she is lying atleast on the 2nd doc.
@elk73083 жыл бұрын
@@oxozy There were text matching that exact behaviour in the original document too. Based on what we’ve seen so far, best case scenario: your man is an insecure baby: worst case scenario; your man is an emotionally manipulative sex pest
@railguncs3 жыл бұрын
@@elk7308 u have any real proofs and you already make conclussions? wtf
@LukBacca3 жыл бұрын
She said she would kill herself if he left her implying he wanted to leave her and she blackmailed him saying she would kill herself if he did, idk but this sounds like a fucked up relationship which involved lots of shitty things on both sides its a bit unfair of her to try to put all of it onto Jay and try to purposefully ruin his reputation out of spite.
@cokxi3 жыл бұрын
its been around 8 months... i tried looking through different sites to see an update about this but couldn't find any... but what truly disgusted me was that there were streamers who tried step on top of sinatraa to boost their social status by saying that if they were sinatraa they would never do that... i fking know that people dont do that and it goes against the law and moral values... its a given that you cant do that... wtf are they tryna prove by saying "if it were me, I wouldn't do that..." and the funny part was that they didnt even knew what happened and were not present there to witness it at all... i hate pretentious streamers...
@teyvattravelguide85552 жыл бұрын
if were just talking about sexual assault MYTH would more likely be guilty than SINATRAA
@mori03 жыл бұрын
thanks for the Update
@milo-ur8zp3 жыл бұрын
go crash some mc servers
@mori03 жыл бұрын
@@milo-ur8zp oke
@myles_1x3 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying Sinatraa sexually assualted her but the second he gets big he's sexually assualted me its a constant loop and this "cancel culture" is very bad for the twitch community and valorant community
@haterhater64093 жыл бұрын
Yo real talk, I don't get posting a second set of information. Logistically any information presented in a second post would already be given if to authorities in cooperating in the investigation. I could see one accusation on Twitter as an act of bravery or something maybe. But going to Twitter a second time seems unprofessional when a professional investigation is being lodged at the claims.
@Someone-is4lx3 жыл бұрын
She even took it down later on, she knows what she did was wrong
@growl7443 жыл бұрын
all ill say is I went from 100% believing cle0 to more of a "I will wait to see what the investigation concludes".
@aoi51703 жыл бұрын
shes so sus, she refuses to share the whole vid fir no reason.
@arunahhh3 жыл бұрын
@@aoi5170 Ikr and if she even was the victim then why post it on social media? Plus when she replied to emmy's tiktok (sinatraa's current girlfriend) she said that she was silent cuz she was scared that "nobody would believe her" which is obviously very suspicious and makes me think that she is lying.
@andrevarian37443 жыл бұрын
@@aoi5170 but the other people might say that open up about "sexual abuse/harass" is not easy, thats why she doesnt want to share the vid. but it is wise for people to NOT so FAST in taking side. just listen and be silent until everything is proven. especially in todays world where even an accidental touch could make a person screams in pain.
@Hummabubba3 жыл бұрын
Imagine trying to discredit someone coming forward about being sexually and emotionally abused by calling them toxic in video game lmao
@zobeysworld3 жыл бұрын
literally
@dazed38813 жыл бұрын
thank you for the update lol
@heyitstiesey3 жыл бұрын
lol(1)
@gabbawesome12673 жыл бұрын
lol(2)
@maxstauder50353 жыл бұрын
lol(3)
@xJunee3 жыл бұрын
lol(4)
@rhayafayza78393 жыл бұрын
lol(6)
@JasonSab8493 жыл бұрын
Where is the dev1ce video?
@vstuden3 жыл бұрын
Soon
@PotatoGawds3 жыл бұрын
What happened with dev1ce?
@farisabyan93253 жыл бұрын
@@PotatoGawds he has been transfered to NIP i think
@applejuice69213 жыл бұрын
Whoa whoa whoa. Why the fuck am I hearing about this just now. That's nuts
@heyitstiesey3 жыл бұрын
@@applejuice6921 check hltv
@jym2r3 жыл бұрын
she even deleted her 2nd tweet about this... she knows shes done for
@PsychophantFR3 жыл бұрын
We know she’s lying, I want Jay back to streaming!
@Jxyyyyyyyyyyf3 жыл бұрын
@@Dixie_normous22 That's the exact opposite of what a logical person thinks. Literally it's innocent until proven guilty. You're saying it should be backwards? I'm going to accuse you of raping me on twitter then and you should have to prove that you didn't which is basically literally impossible because the most you can do is say "I didn't rape this person". People lie about sexual assault all the time. Educate yourself my friend. The reason people lie about it is because it's hard to prove that you DIDN'T do it.
@Gimu_san3 жыл бұрын
@@Dixie_normous22 so by your logic, anybody can accuse you of the same sexual harassments against women and therefore, you’re also guilty until proven innocent
@fadhilh39313 жыл бұрын
@@Dixie_normous22 stoopid
@obi10113 жыл бұрын
@@Dixie_normous22 damn, why would you even take the side of someone in this. Last time I checked doesn't have to do anything with you. You just don't take the side of anyone until the justice does. That's why false rape accusations are so recurrent in society because of people like you who mind of other people businesses
@TRuFIRE4563 жыл бұрын
Cle0h deleted the second document today and supposedly her twitter
@jackojuice86913 жыл бұрын
haha bimbo e-girl surrenders the high ground
@xMassPownagEx3 жыл бұрын
That's An omegalul.
@idrkwtv3 жыл бұрын
oh, that's why I couldn't find her account
@manymoonsago39093 жыл бұрын
but she didn't...?
@LolLol-nf2hj3 жыл бұрын
The “l” in her username is a capital letter “i”. That’s why people can’t find her twitter.
@fake_giorno76613 жыл бұрын
Weird thing is, why right now, why did cleo just accuse Jay of sexual assault right before VCT masters, sus
@johanneseure67613 жыл бұрын
She was mad cause Sinatraa responded publicly and not in private when she was the one who started the whole situation in public when she could have talked to him personally. I really think she wants attention
@kerolinian11823 жыл бұрын
5head
@niet31913 жыл бұрын
Just a straight up a "He said she said" drama. Sinatraa can't play even though its not proven
@sirkiz11813 жыл бұрын
Well usually people don’t just make up sexual assault accusations. There are rare cases of that happening, but there is ALMOST always some abuse that went on.
@sirkiz11813 жыл бұрын
@Yuju Waterbottle Both are those things are false. False reporting is a crime, especially if the person falsely accused ends up going or jail. It depends on how many you mean by “a lot”. Are there a couple hundred, sure. But there are hundreds of thousand of real rape accusations. The chance of an accusation being competent made up is probably not even a percent chance.
@sirkiz11813 жыл бұрын
@Yuju Waterbottle I looked it up and according to the FBI, approximately 8 percent of rape accusations are false. That’s still fairly low, and additionally, only about 5 percent of fake accusations actually caused the accused to be arrested. That’s means they the chance of being arrested for a false rape accusation is .4 percent. It is possible that Sinatra isn’t guilty, and it is impossible to tell right now. But there is a police investigation so we will see what happens.
@Nobody-su9km3 жыл бұрын
@@sirkiz1181 false report is actually a adm crime not a const crime, meanning it's not payed by jail time, it's payed with money, and only IF you actually sue the person, otherwise there is no real punishment, and wtf is going on with people and FBI? FBI don't give a fuck about sexual abuse acusations, they only handle real SERIOUS acusation so OF COURSE most of it is true, you are taking source in the wrong places brother... The false acusations most of the time are droped mid investigation in local polices or don't even get out of the 911 call.
@sirkiz11813 жыл бұрын
@Yuju Waterbottle As I said, only 5 percent of false accusations even lead to anyone getting arrested, let alone convicted. I do agree that the societal consequences are very unfortunate. Unfortunately, there isn’t really much to do about it. I 100% percent support people who falsely accuse others being put in jail. They are a detriment to everyone, as people become less inclined to believe real victims and they can ruin the lives of the accused. But schools or businesses not wanting to associate with someone being accused of rape is pretty understandable. Arguably there should be a law that prohibits businesses from firing people related to potential crimes until they have been found guilty, but that would be difficult to enforce.
@camkraw8933 жыл бұрын
I think we can all agree on one thing. This was a hella toxic relationship
@FlukeyFuzzNutz2 жыл бұрын
I find it stupid that she wasn’t comfortable but she still stayed with him in a relationship, which I find really weird…
@clement78723 жыл бұрын
not jumping to any conclusions or anything, but whoever was in the wrong, either sinatraa or cleo, i hope they get thoroughly punished. Sinatra’s career is clearly over if he is found guilty, but if the accusations were fake, she’s honestly guilty for preventing sinatraa from playing in VCT and should be punshied for that.
@ifigetbannedagainyoutubeis20183 жыл бұрын
She won't. The world is full of simps and thots
@sycual3 жыл бұрын
ngl, i think and HOPE sinaatra didn't do all this. His ex's posts are really not connecting dots tbh
@cameronn18913 жыл бұрын
Idk what dots there are to connect...the audio clip literally has Sinatra refusing to stop when she told him no over and over again. That’s sexual assault, all the other stuff could be he said, she said, but that audio clip is the clearest evidence she could’ve possibly provided. Stop idolizing these guys, at the end of the day they’re just guys who play video games just like everybody else. Learn to accept that just because somebody is really good at a video game, it doesn’t mean they’re a good person too. Even without the blatant sexual assault, the other chat logs and toxic behavior should be enough for you to not respect him anymore. If you think that’s acceptable, then be my guest and defend this dude all you want, but just from those things alone I can’t respect the guy.
@Ginocide023 жыл бұрын
@@cameronn1891 idk if you've ever experienced the touch of a woman but using that tone of voice is NOT how they say "no" lmfao.
@ezaurmum3 жыл бұрын
@@cameronn1891 yes good point but the being toxic part aren't all gamers like that? I am myself 95% of Online gamers are
@knk70653 жыл бұрын
@@cameronn1891 the audio was recorded by jay and it Cleo only wants to release a small part of the audio it’s kinda getting fishy now and the bullying accusations are 100% true aswell so she has already lied
@johannbuere3 жыл бұрын
@@cameronn1891 why should I respect this guy? I don’t know him! What we are talking about here is the allegation to be proven guilty or not. If he did do it shame on him and if he didn’t shame on the girl. If need more reminder a woman saying NO when having intercourse might also be her own thing like a kink or something and we have no clue if it is. Had this same reaction with my girlfriend and I got scared for second but she said it was her thing so I just continued under the pre-text that saying while doing it was okay for us but I made sure to be gentle so I could at least lessen the pain if there was one.
@quantensprung95203 жыл бұрын
what a disgusting mudslinging. either it's a sad attempt to cancel someone via social media. if cleo was serious she would have sued/indicted him. something like this shouldn't be aired in public.
@nathanhosea4893 жыл бұрын
For all the people out there who are consistently following this case, do not jump to conclusions until more evidence is revealed.
@doncorleon81043 жыл бұрын
This girl went public destroying everything he worked for and after he made a public statement responding she gets mad at him for not reaching out to her privately??? ight lmao
@ducksarepeople3 жыл бұрын
“Unlucky, really.” - Steel
@Kuneho3 жыл бұрын
💥🌎
@casthor643 жыл бұрын
If I was Sinatra and I was declared innocent I would go to court with her to demand all the money she made him lose cause this and for all the damage she has done to his image, even if he declares innocent(if he is) he will be marked as someone who has been in a sexual assault problem
@bung0o3 жыл бұрын
I love how she goes “you could’ve apologized to me. You could’ve at least messaged me personally” when Sinatra came out with his twitlonger & now she just deleted her second google doc. Mans said I’m fully compliant and will do whatever is asked of me for the investigation & she got shook, don’t stick your stick in crazy
@zombiekillerbro62693 жыл бұрын
Tbh I will pick sides when I hear all the story's/testimony during this investigation
@TheSkyCries13 жыл бұрын
I don't think there is really a side to pick. It just sounds like a really unhealthy relationship and both of them seem emotionally immature and not that experienced in having a healthyrelationship.
@lunatic21783 жыл бұрын
Tbh I'll always pick the side of my favorite content creator. I don't actually give a fuck about what they did
@kingskelethon22563 жыл бұрын
@@lunatic2178 that's not really a good thing lol, but I understand you
@lunatic21783 жыл бұрын
@@kingskelethon2256 Idk I think its pretty neat
@triple0verkillz453 жыл бұрын
@@lunatic2178 That's such a horrible mentality.
@TheRackoon3 жыл бұрын
Look at all the 15 year old law experts in the comments.
@endercmtv95363 жыл бұрын
Make sense
@atmosphericspace42073 жыл бұрын
everyone needs to chill, let the police handle it. If she is lying about the allegations she will be punished and if they are true then Sinatraa will be punished. There is no point taking sides.
@chrisgoblin48573 жыл бұрын
A sexual assault investigation shouldn't be taken up by Riot. It should be completed by law enforcement.
@yoshi0k2623 жыл бұрын
yeh when all this shit happen and everyone was mad he didnt cooperate with riot it was the best move who wants a private company that has biases good or bad to dictate if your guilty or not to the mass
@jedaiahjedaiahjedaiah3 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they just go to courtroom instead of twitter? These unnecessary actions always lead to ruining someone's career. Also, screw twitter, man.
@Sxyel3 жыл бұрын
Sinatraa, EDP, and Lil Mousey sharing cells like crazyy
@ralv3 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment.
@sebastiangeorgeiorga71223 жыл бұрын
I wonder what famous person will manage to fuck up next
@anthonymiller95033 жыл бұрын
Edp 445 (4+4+5) = 13 😳
@TaLibanQ3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonymiller9503 lol
@unpinned3 жыл бұрын
brooo imagine doe, goin to prison and u see sinatraa, edp, lil mosey and tokyos revenge in one cell, ngl shit would be lit asf prison wont be lame for shit. 😂😂
@Impactframess3 жыл бұрын
Someone said in the last video that sinatraa look like the high elf from Skyrim. I can’t unsee it.
@streetballer19973 жыл бұрын
Dawg that “evidence” with that voice clip is the most playful shit ive ever heard, tf
@xist61383 жыл бұрын
u good she legit said no stop
@sirchuy973 жыл бұрын
They didn't show that in Curry's stream he said that he's done, SEN is probably gonna make the announcement in the next couple of days since they said that TenZ would be with them till the end of challengers 2
@kiru7seven73 жыл бұрын
im very late but i dont understand why does cleo go to twitter with this like handle this professionally
@Greenbeanscreens3 жыл бұрын
She did... The authorities don't do shit, I talked to some of my female friends who have been through this and the police can't help, they are to busy with other stuff.
@dreadfulcascade7323 жыл бұрын
@@Greenbeanscreens if you file a report like that I'm pretty sure you'd get some kind of trial
@sondernfy3 жыл бұрын
Honestly my takeaway from all this is that relationships can be scary
@flacko_r35193 жыл бұрын
Lmao, they ain’t . You just need to have your own boundaries and mutual respect. All the stuff you see on Twitter or KZbin is all about money and clout.
@G03LIN3 жыл бұрын
No relationships aren’t scary. Not if your not making stupid choices.
@calebmoore4333 жыл бұрын
just don’t emotionally and physically abuse your partner and I promise it won’t be this bad
@Nathan-je7dj3 жыл бұрын
As long it's with the right people but thats hard but not necessarily scary
@Emersongaming993 жыл бұрын
that's what happens if you expect your partner to fix all your problems, fix yourself first before getting into a relationship
@tyyler89993 жыл бұрын
Cleo: I don't wanna fight Jay and Emmy. Jay with millions of fans Emmy with a few thousand on Tiktok. Yeaaaaah, I can see how a few thousand more on top of millions could scare you into silence, lol.
@tyyler89993 жыл бұрын
@victoria ursan Well, soon we'll see that Cleo is just trying to gain clout and she took personal video and posted it out of context. I look forward to seeing you delete your message in the future.
@endercmtv95363 жыл бұрын
@victoria ursan i see the real kid here (:
@elijahgrider4173 жыл бұрын
one thing she may not understand about not being apologized to personally is that courts won't let it happen because it could interfere with the investigation... therefore he did it so everyone could see his apology.. granted he could just do this to make himself look better to the public but still, legally he can't apologize to her personally until the investigation is over with and justice is served to either the defendant or the accuser.. know the laws, boys, and girls!!!
@simokulli58143 жыл бұрын
Jay will be proven innocent for sure.
@Box-cz5xi3 жыл бұрын
let's hope
@noahgassler7463 жыл бұрын
There's so much stuff that could be easily fabricated, and she has every reason to lie... It's entirely possible that she's completely right, but she has completely failed to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. There's too many things that are shown that seem like evidence but aren't necessarily.
@zZLegEnDZzXD2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if youre aware but last year he was proven innocent and she didnt even turn up to court
@ryuined2 жыл бұрын
to be fair he has every reason to lie too
@kevinmiller50513 жыл бұрын
If he's found innocent, his pro team/Riot need to give him the money he would've made if he was still playing. It's wrong that just because someone accuses you of something you're immediately out of work.
@tyyler89993 жыл бұрын
It happens to even movie stars, you're cancelled instantly, and are guilty until proven innocent. It's a fucked up cancel people world.
@crossjeremiah3 жыл бұрын
Shit like this can ruin anyone's career. I feel like she's trying to be an influencer. And make it big. So being in some drama will get her some follows. She could've came out a little while ago. But there must be some tensions between her and his ex. This is just some smear campaign. If you're in a abusive relationship that's borderline rape and gas lighting. Get out, don't use all the benefits until it runs out then place blame, a year later.
@Greenbeanscreens3 жыл бұрын
She has recieved more bad publicity than good publicity. Only a delusional freak would make up these claims for their own benefit. She has dated one of the most toxic players in Esports, yet you really think she made it up. The toxicity, the hate in Esports is huge, gaming culture can be great, but in situations like this it also shows gaming culture at its worst. Stop worrying about his career and start worrying about her traumas, her career (that has also been destroyed by this). Also, you clearly haven't been in a situation where you feel trapped, held captive by someone meant to love you, you feel bound to them, there is some part of them that you just can't let go. You let yourself get walked over because you feel like this is what you need to do to keep something in your life. Just stop victim blaming, if you want to blame her, find evidence for it. Find evidence to prove that she made up a huge 9 page document. Find evidence to prove that he is innocent, respond to me with it once you have evidence.
@crossjeremiah3 жыл бұрын
@@Greenbeanscreens Stockholm syndrome is what you just explained my dear.
@Greenbeanscreens3 жыл бұрын
@@crossjeremiah I guess half the population has Stockholm syndrome then.
@taylormartin43463 жыл бұрын
We live in a world where people’s sexual lives are memorialized on the internet forever, for everyone to see. Awful
@hanmoamo3 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the development, thanks for keeping us informed. This situation is really delicate, hope that there will be some good news and clarity on it. The idea I've made up untill now is that they may be both in the wrong. Sinatraa may have been an abusive boyfriend back then, while Cleo may have slid some trumped up charges between her accusations to gain attention. We don't know, we can only wait and see
@day83663 жыл бұрын
I like how innocent until proven guilty isn’t upheld at all, ever
@OGGamerjr3 жыл бұрын
The King is back.
@ploobs30623 жыл бұрын
this man speaks fluent hand
@IllllIIIIllIlllIIl2 жыл бұрын
sounds like hes winning and his ex girl got jealous she aint with him anymore
@chalkywhite89913 жыл бұрын
Really irritates me the amount of people that take these sorts of allegations as if he’s been convicted.
@lythrax49272 жыл бұрын
this is probably the most famous thing west virginia is known for
@oldirtysean003 жыл бұрын
This is such a tough situation and the truth is probably a mix of everyone's story. I don't want to say anyone is lying but it's not unheard of. I know plenty of scummy dudes (myself included) and I've literally seen a girl punch herself in the face so she could try and get another woman in trouble.
@toxin65843 жыл бұрын
Finally not a biased opinion! I do believe that most people have the basic human decency to not falsely accuse someone of a big crime like sexual assault, though
@jeroencox62643 жыл бұрын
@@toxin6584 yeah and if we start punishing false allegations it will discourage actual victims from reporting abuse.
@ficedulamortis64343 жыл бұрын
Toxin unfortunately there are some people who don't have said human decency. Lots of guys have gone to prison for false claims
@toxin65843 жыл бұрын
@@ficedulamortis6434 only about 3-5% of sexual abuse claims are false
@ficedulamortis64343 жыл бұрын
Toxin *that we know of. That statistic is a pretty stupid one because I'm willing to bet more false rape allegations go on, with the guys name never being cleared. There was that one guy who was in prison for 5 years, an only got out because the girl admitted to lying about rape, for all we know that could've happened hundreds of times, and they never admitted it
@ominical55743 жыл бұрын
The thing is why do people go to twitter about SA not to the police straight away
@matthewhitchcock78563 жыл бұрын
These people need to get lawyers, taking everything to Twitter makes it seem very unprofessional
@paradise42133 жыл бұрын
They learned from Trump, haha
@jettsmethod51033 жыл бұрын
it was said that she filed a police report and with how slow they work the means she used may not be historically used but it is a good way to get her story out in this instance
@jatinbajaj80753 жыл бұрын
People realise that it takes 2 minutes for faking a message , literally that proves nothing and at this point we are framing him
@empurically3 жыл бұрын
I dunno I heard that she didn’t show up to court?? Can anyone confirm that for me? People are also saying that she released the document as soon as he started getting more relevant
@endercmtv95363 жыл бұрын
True
@cy-taku39523 жыл бұрын
Just go to court not fvcking tweeter thats why I think this usr true
@complex90003 жыл бұрын
Anyone else find themselves really active watching his hands quite entertaining
@alexulukaya11393 жыл бұрын
Seems weird that if she had proof, she was scared of defending herself despite having effectively a nail in the coffin for anyone arguing against her.
@bergieoldschool3 жыл бұрын
if a woman says no not before but during sex, just leave and get new girlfriend, she is dangerous.
@Nameless_Strinova3 жыл бұрын
Fr
@xythiera72553 жыл бұрын
She can also do that any time she wants . So basicly dont get a women in the first place .
@bergieoldschool3 жыл бұрын
@@xythiera7255 malding, sadly for you I have a gf and she is happy with me. She’s not a crazy person who tries to ruin others people career with rape allegations.
@slappievax29793 жыл бұрын
Kinda suspicious that she only speaks about this before Sinatraa’s biggest opportunity in Valorant and tries to expose him more right after the rumors that he started playing again. Sounds like she’s trying to ruin his life because of the unhealthy relationship they had.
@mikoalt3 жыл бұрын
True. Reminds me of what dafran tweeted, and his everybody laughed about it.
@NobleIIQuake3 жыл бұрын
Not going to lie, if someone sexually assaulted you I think you'd be pretty upset. She has provided sufficient evidence. Just because she released the second statement as he started playing Valorant again doesn't mean her accusations should be dismissed. Stop victim blaming.
@dun_mangopessoa3 жыл бұрын
@@NobleIIQuake simp
@bootychamp3 жыл бұрын
@@NobleIIQuake how is it victim blaming to say her timing is suspect, and he's not even wrong? Did he say it was her fault? Or that she asked for it? He didn't blame her, he just saying there's a chance there are ulterior motives. Y'all just throw that shit around for anyone who questions the first side they hear on twitter, but dont even know what the phrase means
@mikoalt3 жыл бұрын
@@NobleIIQuake True. I guess we gotta wait for Sin's response now.
@blindliberty44783 жыл бұрын
Thank you for not taking a side
@kokuma57663 жыл бұрын
Hey I’m here to talk about your extended car warranty
@HaakuuGoneWild3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the creepy/dour music is a little bit distasteful for such a serious subject. I understand that the music is to create ambience so it's not just a guy talking. But it makes it a little bit theatrical in a bad way. Maybe i'm wrong. But just my opinion. Otherwise good video, with a clear layout of the story.
@faisalfaisal5233 жыл бұрын
its just music who the fuck cares didnt even know they had music in the background
@HaakuuGoneWild3 жыл бұрын
@@faisalfaisal523 as I said. It's just my opinion, maybe I'm wrong but it feels tacky. Plus I like the score and I want them to produce content with some integrity. Obviously it was just a small point of criticism.
@purpleguy39243 жыл бұрын
@@HaakuuGoneWild your the only one who thinks that
@HaakuuGoneWild3 жыл бұрын
@@purpleguy3924 I doubt it, but it's fair enough if you don't.
@unpinned3 жыл бұрын
the music bro, really? 😐
@mr.unlucky30813 жыл бұрын
I mean it's not like Sinatraa is not allowed to play valorant...