These Bugs Will KILL Your Hardcore Character

[@CalamityHC]

I definitely misspoke in the first clip. He isn't using any "party frame Addons" would be more accurate. The bug happens to everyone in the party and raid regardless of UI, it's definitely game side. Sorry for confusion *_Health Bug_* - Not Fixed *_Caster LOS Pathing_* - Not Fixed (Worse than we thought, investigating further. Did he aggro him through the LOS of the corner in this clip?- clips.twitch.tv/UglyImportantPartridgeDBstyle-XSIPQQO8Xr8QJegr ) *_Split Pull Resets_* - Not Fixed (this seems to be tied to patrolling mobs based on comments) *_Aggro Drops_*- Not Fixed *_Water DCs_* - Not Fixed *_EU Water_* - FIXED ( www.wowhead.com/classic/news/enemy-water-pathing-hotfix-for-wow-classic-333125?webhook ) Feel free to ask questions on my twitch - www.twitch.tv/calamityhc

[@tysonator111]

Thanks for making this! FYI, your comment isnt pinned if you intend it to be.

[@dmarsub]

Would love to know if these things are fixed in official classic hardcore.

[@pavelpavlov8358]

water dc fixed

[@Neotidus]

Water DC is for real. I got dc’d a few times with the frost shock mobs

[@benjamin6682]

Thanks for the tips. I would like to add two more. Flight path DC then fall to ground, and duel then killed by town guards of your own faction.

[@Calx9]

Flight path disconnect got me and my duo. It wasn't my internet either. I never disconnected. It just randomly dropped me and we had just logged in right before I hit record. That sincerely almost killed my love for hc classic.

[@josephteller9715]

@@Calx9 layering can cause DCs. Known problem that Bliz refuses to fix.

[@colonelsanders82]

"That's not how that works, Blizzard." Blizzard: "It is now."

[@comradeshmoo]

The weird aggro train behaviour recently is suuuper sketch. Reminds me of EQ back in the day, that's how the mobs worked. Definitely not what's supposed to happen in WoW, and how unpredictable it is makes it very spooky

[@comradeshmoo]

Update: this bug killed my priest when a hunter FD'd a massive train of casters. Didn't realize what had happened until I got globaled by several spells landing at the same time ;_;

[@haato892]

I watched the split pulling guide yesterday and tried it right away with dynamite on Princess in Elwynn Forest. Was wondering why the Entourage pigs kept re-aggroing after resetting. This explains it, thanks! 😄

[@dhamongrimwulfe5401]

Even in open world I’ve had the patrolling mob not come to me initially. Most recently was in the homes when clearing the lower section. The shadow mage ( I believe is the name; drops blood of the innocent) kept walking even while having me targeted but I did throw and immediately LoS from the back door.

[@XyzgorYT]

These videos have saved my characters countless times, thanks for all the tips!

[@NyctoGaming]

Blizzard needs to see this

[@anthonyontv]

No, blizzard needs to *care* about these bugs.

[@araskelotv]

The water pathing already fixed. Day late and a dollar short Clam Tea

[@CalamityHC]

I will gladly be late and have the dumb bugs fixed lmao

[@mancatlol]

Great video as always :) keep up the good work

[@SamSGLM]

That felwood escort was so funny to see

[@blendererer]

I have a theory about the patrolling mobs glitch. It only happens when there are a lot of mobs in render distance in a dungeon. Basically the dungeon tick rate increases linerally per mob. Probably a performance optimization

[@CalamityHC]

It happens outside of dungeons too unfortunately

[@stephanl5813]

2 Houra later fixed water bug they must listened

[@CalamityHC]

Lmao that's amazing

[@leaveacomment]

Apparently the bug that let's mobs fall through water is getting fixed tomorrow

[@CalamityHC]

Pog!

[@hibernian87]

Hydraxxian Waterlords - bugged water. Ironic.

[@Zeitgeist9000]

Thanks!

[@CalamityHC]

[@IceTax69]

Im pretty sure hunters/warlocks having double leash with pets is also a bug because i dont remember it being the case previously. Essentially whenever you or your pet drops aggro due to leash, the other one gets aggro instead of the mob just deaggroing

[@bwilson6269]

Really enjoy your videos and content...I hadn't played wow in like a decade then came back for hardcore, so these videos have been really helpful. I am having so much fun despite some painful deaths heh.

[@Demha96]

i am playing on an official hardcore server and the weird aggro switching happened to me and i almost died because of it, i have never seen this happen on classic release

[@Preacher_.]

MonkaBugs

[@CalamityHC]

I definitely misspoke in the start of the video. "No Party Health addons" would be more accurate, for the first clip. Yes there's a threat meter in the first one, but, it does nothing with frame UI. The second clip has a default target frame. There's clips with 0 addons, not even a threat meter or anything, having the bug as well but they were lower quality / worse at showing the bug so I did not use them in the video. It's worth mentioning, using the Parla clip as an example, 36 of the members of the raid had the bug (the other 3 had reloaded) regardless of their ui setup. It's definitely a game side glitch.

[@Lysande0815]

Thank you Cal! I noticed you also put the Slitherblade Seawitch ( i blieve that's the freeze mob) in Desolace on the list of dangerous mobs for Unit Scan. Almost gave me a heart-attack but also kept me on my toes. Just as a side note: with warlock (i presume hunter is similar) with my VW, i had no issues fighting under water. There are just some areas where he despawns, and I just dont go there. If he does not tho, there are no issues. Ps.: love and appreciate all your content, I listen to it also while i play

[@ryancooper5647]

I died outside a cave because someone ran out with 5 yetis and when he died they agroed to me. This is a scary bug, and i can see it being used for griefing soon

[@Lndegenerate]

EU water fix *allegedly* coming !

[@snacklife2175]

Great video! I just died on my first character to aggro dropping and it helps a ton to see this documented. Is it known what causes this to happen? For my death, I did not feel like I was ever near close enough for the mobs running by to see me, but I was in combat with one of their friends that I had pulled earlier. Do you think it's possible for mobs to aggro drop to you without ever having been close enough to aggro them yourself, or am I probably just misremembering?

[@CalamityHC]

Cause seems very unknown, sorry you died :(

[@Resil27021]

there's a really dangerous bug where if u jump from an extremely high place and hit the ground without any fall dmg mitigations you lose all of ur mana

[@Chickenchucker]

Underwater is very scary, I would have died to a underwater dc if I wasn't a druid

[@danielnator123456]

The water bugs on Eu are so annoying....

[@StayaYL]

Fantastic video. Thanks for the content.

[@Neotidus]

#2 has always happened to me in strat. I wouldn’t call it a bug.

[@CalamityHC]

The gargoyles can pull normally if you stay in line of sight though. They stay aggroed while still patrolling, only if you line of sight, AND it didn't used to work this way. Seems buggy to me.

[@Neotidus]

@@CalamityHC ok, I remember wiping that way back in the day. I guess wether it happened today or back in 2005 it would be considered a bug.

[@-.-okay]

I learned something!

[@Underthetruck]

Hi the aggro drop bug is not a new bug. It has always been present in the game, just sometimes it is more prevalent, not sure if this is because the bug changed or just more people taking note of it. Some other notes of the bug are, although healing/buffing yourself seems to slightly increase the odds of mobs aggroing you it is not the only factor, and even players who have taken 0 actions and have 0 active abilities can still receive aggro. In very rare cases the mobs can even aggro players BEFORE resetting on the player who pulled them. The reason why the game doesn't show you in combat is because the victim of the bug is never on the aggro table which is how the game (and addons) check to see if you are in combat, at least until they fight back or use heals/buffs. Another note of the bug is not every single mob in the game seems to be able to have this bug happen (im not 100% sure about this, but they are some mobs that no matter how hard you try to reproduce the bug never seem to have it happen). For whatever reason open-world, humanoids seem to be the most prone to the bug. This is pure speculation, but I'm guessing the bug is part of how the server checks on the player and makes a mistake somehow in that process. In retail wow the bug got sorted out, but only after blizzard changed how mobs leash and how the server handles their zones/subzones. (basically blizzard never actually fixed the bug, but they reworked the system and the bug went away). Caster LOS Pathing bug. Also sadly has always been in the game, is not excusive to casters either, but melee mobs don't cause as many issues when it happens to them. It can also happen to non-patrolling mobs too, but again it doesn't cause as many issues when it does. In the clip you posted in your pinned comment what happened there was, he body pulled the the 2ned shadowcaster. You can see him cast SWP, at that moment streamer should have left to live, but didn't seem to notice. Shadowcaster 2 then continued on his patrol and social pulled the warrior. Again this is 100% speculation but I think this is also caused on the server side. Miscommunication or delay between the server and client is what I would suspect. You won't see these issues in retail not because blizzard ever fixed the bug (they didn't), but because all the surrounding systems were changed.

[@datastormy]

Personally died to the bug which cancels a logout on group membership change. Different than these but still deadly for HC

[@Lyndis-]

Thanks for the infos !

[@Rimo_raj]

My first mage dies because of the aggro Bug - quite an experience 😅

[@CalamityHC]

F

[@WonderGoon]

Great video and great advice. Always a pleasure to see your content.

[@akselolsson7576]

Wow😲 I saw some of these bugs yesterday and thought it was just a one time thing.

[@Zeitgeist9000]

Small indie company 😂

[@CalamityHC]

I am still baffled how the water issue is only on certain servers

[@afailable]

​​@@CalamityHC file corruption that doesn't get cleared on server reset. Since blizzard certainly uses virtual machines as their servers now as opposed to physical servers during og wow, I'm guessing some kind of infrastructure migration during downtime introduced some or all of these bugs. Maybe a file transfer failed and someone didn't do their job properly. Who knows 🤷 Edit: that's my best guess as a software engineer, but I've never deployed game servers so could be talking shit

[@Adallace]

That's weird that only some of the EU servers are affected by the water bug.

[@vertria1431]

2nd and 3rd not bugs.when you pull mobs with something you still should understand how spell/ability you pull works.some abilities like wands have big delays.some mobs are linked 2 prevent split pulls.

[@CalamityHC]

They are bugs as they did not work this way a year ago.

[@vertria1431]

@@CalamityHC i hope they did not work like this 19years ago.

[@vertria1431]

spells for pull prio is insta casts spells like moonfire fireblast>insta cast arrow spells arcane shot/distracting shot>not recommended spells with big animation auto gun/bow shots throwns/wands

[@SamSGLM]

there's some edu content that shows that it works. and it has been, just recently

[@Plasmabeisser]

!? notice this is on default UI both clips had addons running that can cause problems. never seen this bug but thanks to let us know it exists. but i dont think its a bug of the game itself - more likely addon issue.

[@CalamityHC]

The first clip has no frame UI at all, the second has one default target frames but addons for party frames. Yes there's a threat meter in the first one, but, it does nothing with frame UI. There's clips with literally 0 addons, not even a threat meter, having the bug as well but they were lower quality / worse at showing the bug so I did not use them in the video. It's probably worth mentioning, using the Parla clip as an example, 36 of the members of the raid had the bug (the other 3 had reloaded) regardless of their ui setup. It's definitely a game side glitch.

[@Plasmabeisser]

@@CalamityHC anyhow since there are i guess 99%+ using addons its useful to have that in mind. especially as heal.

[@ilgiga22]

Auntie Calamity keeping us noobs safe as always❤

[@mysteriousanon5196]

Aggro train killed my priest…

[@MegaVbnz]

Awesome, as always. Hope those bugs get fixed before the official servers are released

[@CalamityHC]

me too

[@garrymullins]

Does the re-agro on a split-pull only happen for patrolling mobs perhaps? Like showcased in Winterspring. Great video btw. Love getting into the weeds of these mechanics.

[@CalamityHC]

Thats a possible theory! Come to think of it the 4 or so vods I had of the bug are all patrolling mobs. Will go test tomorrow

[@garrymullins]

@@CalamityHC Patrolling mobs seem to have some sort of heartbeat mechanic that checks to see if they're close to the other mobs they're supposed to be patrolling with, and if they aren't, then they perform a catch-up function of some sort. Flow chart would be like: Am I close to my other patrollers? If not, go to them. If I am keep patrolling. Are any of my other patrollers in combat? If so go join them.

[@CalamityHC]

@@garrymullins That doesn't seem -entirely- true though, as using Distract both prevents this bug *and* does the split pull. But perhaps Distract just changes monster pathing code entirely

[@garrymullins]

@@CalamityHC Yes! I would expect that Distract turns off the heartbeat "where are my fellow patrollers" function.

[@SamSGLM]

the 3 times i've seen this were patrols yeah... go test! FOR SCIENCE!!

[@gimpycpu]

They fixed the water pathing yay, it was bugged in NA too

[@Stimbim]

more like Bugcore. Why would they fix anything if people will play it anyways? death to a bug = just go againe, death to griefers = we dont care its your own game mode

[@CalamityHC]

Hopefully this video helps get some fixes

[@yes-ni1od]

You said the guy had no addons, but he clearly had addons

[@CalamityHC]

I definitely misspoke in the start of the video. "No Party Health addons" would be more accurate, for the first clip. Yes there's a threat meter in the first one, but, it does nothing with frame UI. The second clip has a default target frame. There's clips with 0 addons, not even a threat meter or anything, having the bug as well but they were lower quality / worse at showing the bug so I did not use them in the video. It's worth mentioning, using the Parla clip as an example, 36 of the members of the raid had the bug (the other 3 had reloaded) regardless of their ui setup. It's definitely a game side glitch.

[@pavelpavlov8358]

Nice video! Can you please share the wa that puts an arrow above your current target's nameplate? : )

[@CalamityHC]

Can you share a time stamp for what arrow you mean?

[@pavelpavlov8358]

@@CalamityHC kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZile5WJg6mlhZY

[@mayna2083]

hi calamity i am a very big fan and i have an important question, do different color of bell peppers taste different? thanks for any input

[@CalamityHC]

Yellow peppers are bis

[@Pannlord]

On Hydraxian, water is so beyond broken it's not even funny. You'd better learn exactly how it works, or stay out of it entirely. Preferably both.

[@CalamityHC]

Its actually impressive how cooked the water is lol

[@Robbincgoodman]

Thanks Calamity! Your the best!

[@SaltyPots]

This video is gold actually!! thanks

[@CalamityHC]

You're gold, commenter

[@NotTheWheel]

Wow really impressive catalog of stuff.

[@CalamityHC]

[@taylorpayne1993]

Love your vids

[@BaseSRKI]

You should be part of Liquid woman in Warcraft!

[@StevenColby1994]

LOL when I read the title I thought you meant in game NPC bugs :)

[@CalamityHC]

🐛🐛

[@3r4th]

Very useful, thanks!

[@BaseSRKI]

Great Video

[@ryanvermeulen22]

great video, keep posting more !

[@CalamityHC]

I will do my best!

[@6Monto]

indie company

[@Neotidus]

Thanks for sharing

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

None of these bugs exist on any pserver I have ever played on. This is one of the many reasons why pservers are far superior to Blizzard's servers. You are just paying to play on a worse version of the game by playing on Blizzard's servers. Pservers have far fewer bugs, basically no bots, and actual support teams that actually answer tickets instead of Blizzard's own bots responding to tickets after 48 hours instead. Imagine playing on Blizzard servers in 2023.

[@Halemore]

tyvm

[@WilBCE]

What’s the deal with Alexensual hating on us so much?

[@CalamityHC]

Don't watch his videos, no idea

[@jit5569]

What about you pin me against the wall instead of pinning the comment?

[@CalamityHC]

Okay you are stunned for 2 turns what is your next move

[@screamingmeowth1]

Thank you for another great informative video PlayerHVHZTG

[@starwarsfamilyguy0]

eu water omegalul

[@matthewjamesmjw4172]

these bugs make an official hardcore server (with no appeals) less exciting to me. I like having the option to appeal. The official hardcore server is just going to kill the unofficial ones , and put everyone in a worse position.

[@CalamityHC]

Atleast most of them have counterplay, but yeah, the amount of bugs is scary for sure

[@Rookums]

Well it will put Blizzard in a better position, and I think that's all that they care about.

[@Loivado]

needs more talking content :)

[@tgyo99]

Lol, such false information. Half of these arent bugs in classic WOW... These are bugs in your UI due to your addons

[@CalamityHC]

The bugs happen on 0 addon users as well, they just had less clear-vods of it happening so I used others.

[@Rookums]

I've never heard a female talk the way you do

[@CalamityHC]

I'm not sure why you're telling us you don't talk to women often *evil laugh* Thanks for the compliment, I try to sound unique

[@Binkles_]

Yeah, so I love Calamity and her videos -- i binged them all

[@CalamityHC]