These Celebrities Chose Surrogacy Out Of Luxury - How Do You Feel About That?

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A few months ago, Dave Rubin and his husband announced that they were having two children via surrogacy. At the time, I did not know enough about surrogacy or IVF to comment, but have since done research. I offer no commentary, as I don't know what to think about what I learned.
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[@joeythomas5295]

I feel like they’re disgusting pieces of trash that want none other than the attention they get from having the “ Mom status“ Meanwhile the only time you’ll see them being or acting like a real mother is when the cameras are on them the other times they’re just gonna be lazy piece of shit and have nannies take care and do all the work for them because you’re nothing but a waste of life

[@RunninUpThatHillh]

SO glad you're going into this territory. Keep going!

[@stayroxy]

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[@joereginmyre]

I AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@alitomblison1808]

I appreciate how you add intelligent, honest input to extract intelligent conversation. Thank you for the effort and here is to hoping it pays off 🍻

[@SandysArtChannel]

If they don't have time to come together to become pregnant, how on earth are they going to have time to come together and raise that child?

[@MrsK976]

They don’t raise them. Khloe is in Europe dating a new man. She just had the surrogate give birth to a NEWBORN last month!!! What parent has a new born and leaves the continent to look for a new boyfriend?!?!?!

[@nylasharper1788]

Exactly!

[@sakuraluvssasukexxx]

Some women just don’t want to be pregnant. There’s nothing appealing about being pregnant.

[@kellkatz]

My first thought. So the surrogate was the first 24/7 FT+ caregiver-nanny-mom-to-be hired. But definitely not the last.

[@yoshzlac2429]

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[@jayseven5249]

Rich people can pick and choose their children like a menu. It is disturbing. It is playing God and odd that only the Elite get to play.

[@GothBatty]

They pick eye color too. 😒

[@zereonity8528]

Sick

[@yoshzlac2429]

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[@yoshzlac2429]

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[@twentysecondcenturywoman]

Who cares??? If they have the money for it WHO CARESSSS.

[@michellebalnozan3972]

I am 49 yrs old and was adopted as an infant. My adoptive parents I love to pieces and they raised me right, gave me a beautiful life!! I was able to find my birthmother before she passed at age 84 couple years ago. I was my birthmothers 13th child and she was essentially abandoned by her husband. I was able to thank her for her courageous choice and blessing me!! Sad to me that adoption is not an option these days when it's such a wonderful, courageous, giving solution !!!❤

[@Ginger_Spicy_Candor]

Wow. That is a beautiful story. Please write a book or submit that as an idea or a Lifetime or Hallmark movie. You sound amazing as does your adoption parents and biological mother.

[@michellebalnozan3972]

@@Ginger_Spicy_Candor thank you! You're very kind!

[@TheBaumcm]

I was born in India and adopted by an American family after the priest from my orphanage visited them. I am so grateful to have had the opportunities that I never would have otherwise. My mother is likely not on this Earth any longer but I just figure she did the best thing she could to give me a better shot at life. While it would be nice to see someone who looks like me, my family is in my heart and just like if I was born into it, I’m stuck with them and they with me. 😂.

[@cantstanditanymore]

Oh wow... Your birthmother really want thru it.. I imagine placing you for adoption really truly tore her up and she was in dire straits... I could not imagine💔 You are blessed🙌

[@moylanmelissuh123]

Yes! I gave my baby up for adoption and I’m glad I did. I see so many children that need to be adopted and deserve to and it’s not fair just because they want a blood line and have “their own”. It’s so beautiful the connection and how perfect it is with her family that she’s suppose to be with. I can’t imagine her not being here or with them. They didn’t just change her life but generations to come.

[@becky-owens]

My husband and I couldn’t get pregnant naturally for 3 years! We started to go through the process of IVF but when it came time to start taking the hormones I just couldn’t do it. It had been such an emotional rollercoaster up to that point that I felt like my mental health would have gotten worse if the procedure didn’t work. I believe that if God wanted us to have a child He will provide one for us and by the grace of God He provided us with 2 beautiful energetic boys 💙💙 I think that IVF and plastic surgery was started with good intentions to help people that truly needed it but it’s been taken it to a whole new level of crazy and it makes me sad!

[@Agape122]

I am so happy you have 2 beautifull kids now! I just wonder , is the IVF process about creating diferent embrios, and then picking one over all of them and dissmissing the others? Because if it is like that then its the same as abortion. I am not judging at all the families who choose that I can totally understand the frustration of not being able to have kids. I just wonder if it works like that, dont they realize is the same thing as an early stage abortion?

[@Glawkz]

It look me over a year to get pregnant once I did I lost my baby at 6 weeks. Right now I’m 4 days post op after a ectopic pregnancy.

[@maycamilleri8308]

You trusted in God and he rewarded you.

[@jayesimond9301]

Comparing IVF to cosmetic surgery is insulting. Husband & I conceived our children thru IVF using our own egg/sperm. To suggest that, hey if u can’t conceive thru sex it’s not meant to be, is like suggesting to a baby born with heart defect that they’re not meant to live and should forgo a heart transplant. I had all my conceived embryos implanted during each IVF cycle. The physical pain and emotional roller coaster IVF imposes is fueled with perseverance & love of 2 ppl who want nothing else than to achieve parenthood. The rate of success of IVF is very low. We were blessed with 2 miracle children. Go ahead, tell ‘em that they’re not meant to be!

[@bethanygibson2421]

I'm with you. Hubby and I can conceive naturally but discovered I have a rare blood clotting disorder that means lack of blood flow to the uterus so if we don't catch a pregnancy in time my body naturally fails at implantation between 5 and 8 weeks. I knew since i was young due to bowel issues and lots of scar tissue that carrying may be difficult but never in my wildest dreams thought it would be the issue that it is (long story behind that one including longterm use of a medication that angers me to know end) but having said that, at the age of 12 I always said I'd never do fertility treatment particularly IVF. Long story short I went against everything I believed in and did IUI. Was going to do natural cycles but ended up doing the hormones coz I thought well, we're paying money so lets go gung ho. Worst thing I ever did in my life. Specialist wasn't treating my condition at root cause (i should have spoken up but was too caught up in the excitement) and now I suffer more cramping even up to 2 weeks before my period and my periods are no longer regular. I am getting older but I feel doing fertility treatment completely effed my body & mentally it's taken more of a toll than if Id stayed in my happy bubble of letting nature take it's course and if it happens by God's will then so be it. It's hard enough keeping myself alive and ensuring I stay out of emergency let alone working hard to try and nourish and grow another human. Womens bodies are incredible but I think mines just had enough.

[@susand8979]

I saw a statement recently by a younger working wife that they were going to use surrogacy because her career was just as important as her husband's and she wasn't going to miss out. That made me sad for them. Surrogacy definitely is transactional, paying for someone else to do the "work" of pregnancy. To preserve the body of the wife, to further her career, to pick the sex & grade of the egg. And we have to remember, all of those other fertilized eggs are destroyed & thrown out with the trash. I think once again science & technology came up with an amazing possibility for the infertile couples that has now become online shopping, devaluing human life further.

[@yvonnebaur4485]

Soon every female entertainer will choose ivf, simply to preserve their figures, and extend their career.

[@victorias6250]

If someone has an actual problem conceiving etc, I can personally see IVF/surrogacy being an option. I don’t think these people would care too much about manipulating the embryo. They’re just happy to have a child. That’s my opinion for now. If someone does it for superficial reasons, like for their careers or to maintain their figure like you mentioned, then I think it’s immoral and they’re not suitable parents. Having a child isn’t about you after all. You’re not the priority anymore. Just like becoming pregnant the natural way, these alternatives shouldn’t be taken for granted or lightly either. It’s a serious thing to do.

[@2handle.]

Yet yall complain about women's bodies not being desirable anymore after pregnancy and child birth. These people are in an industry where their looks are a transaction and like it or not any "scuffs" are going to cost them roles,magazine covers, and other business opportunities. And people like us will be in the comments talking about so and so actress or singer is out of shape or hitting that imaginary wall men like to talk about just because our bodies changed after having a child. You can't win for losing.

[@somethinggood9267]

Well said

[@CS-mf5un]

@@2handle. but what is your point exactly? That we should care more about someone's potentially missed magazine cover over the use of women like objects and depriving children of their first mother?

[@lqstar]

After both my children were born my husband would sometimes be hurt that our newborns chose me over him. I reminded him that Ive already had nine months with them. They know me more than they do anyone else. It’s the first time we’re seeing them, but they’ve been alive for nine months. Even though he would talk and sing to them, they were with me 24/7. Carting your child makes a difference. They can feel their love and protection. Something I want to touch on. When my aunt was pregnant, her and my uncle were told their children had a high percentage of having down syndrome. The doctor ask if they wanted to abort her. They tried for years to get pregnant, they’re older and well off. They decided she’s is their children, if she had Down syndrome they’d love her the same and have the resources to support her. When she was born she was a perfectly healthy, typical, child. She was born when I was in high school and since then I’ve always wondered how many children, healthy and typical, were aborted through a doctors recommendation.

[@homeandjournal]

wow the doctors told my parents the same thing they told your aunt, about my older brother. he was born perfectly fine. Makes me wonder if some babies are actually gonna be born with complications, or if they just tell parents that to try and get them to abort for some strange, evil reason.

[@kleinemaus6094]

I was told the same thing with my 3rd child (only 3 years ago). It's disgusting, that Downs is treated as a reason to kill a baby! Those genetic marker tests are riddled with false positives, mine included. I didn't get any with my fourth and I have not gotten any with my fifth. Waste of money, with added stress to boot.

[@marisol033]

Same here and I am so glad my parent respect life. Doctor said my sister was gonna be born with Down syndrome. I sometimes wonder if this is used to make money out of the body parts of that aborted baby.

[@gretap3917]

According to my doctor my 6 months old baby was supouse to have a 1 and 22 cromosome that was uncompatible with life ,she is almost 7 months old and perfectly healthy , after that my views on abortion totally changed .

[@taramay8174]

Drs were told to abort my friend who is completely healthy. They told her mother at the time she was supposed to be born a vegetable. Well drs got that one way wrong and she was born healthy and is fine

[@nicolegalasso1050]

I appreciate Candace’s posture and tone when she covered this topic. She wasn’t judgmental, mean-spirited or harsh and seemed that she was truly curious and opening and conversation from different angles. It was a breath of fresh air for me. I wish I heard more from her in this way..

[@igeo212]

In the case of this Jonas guy, if they can't find the time to physically conceive, why bother?? That just means they won't have the time to RAISE the child! 🤷🏻‍♂

[@aksherasiddi9493]

They were partying even when the baby was in nicu. So I don’t know what kind of bond you can build with your child.

[@SavedPdf]

@@aksherasiddi9493 the nanny will raise it anyway

[@hokiebear8308]

I’ve had 3 babies and haven’t found out the gender of any of them. It’s such a special surprise. One of the few natural surprises you get in life. The idea of picking my child is mind boggling. I look at my babies and think you’re so perfect I couldn’t have picked you out any better.

[@CaliMisfit1921]

You kept it old school for real, that's incredible. I had two ultrasounds to know the sex of mine, but thinking back not knowing would of been so cool.

[@slsmith5267]

I did the same with all 5 of mine! They are absolutely perfect. I got who I was supposed to have. Trusting God is awesome.

[@jennyray1476]

My first and 3rd I didn't find out , it was so special and exciting, my second I found out but looking back I wish I had just waited and been surprised

[@marinhusky8863]

I didn't find out the gender of my child until the birth but was a little surprised that people actually got angry at me for not finding out ahead of time. I guess a lot of people can't respect that.

[@elizabethramirez7468]

Same here, I didn't want ti know what I was having. I waited patiently. No rush or anxious to find out was I was having.

[@rachelsousley5986]

As a mom who is pregnant with my third child and extremely sick all day long, usually throughout the whole pregnancy, I find that someone who uses surrogacy or IVF as a luxury doesn’t truly value the life they can create. If you are not committed enough to try to make a baby and endure the hardships that may come along, you have your priorities in the wrong place. Life is very precious and babies are not luxuries, they are gifts from God.

[@alexisc7565]

Lmao everyone doesn't want to suffer just because you did

[@leemires5315]

As long as their children are being taken care of why does it matter?

[@ladycharlotte8693]

Being sick and nauseous means a healthy baby, try little healthy meals, crackers…it will pass, good luck mama!

[@user-vt2ce2jc4r]

What do you say about those who chose ivf coz they can't have a baby

[@1282louise]

Exactly. It is digusting suing IVF for that kimd of reasoj

[@novelteafox4687]

I struggled for 7 years to conceive. I tried IUI once. Didn’t work. I couldn’t do IVF. I don’t think I would have felt right having embryos frozen in time that was mine. These babies that are not allowed to grow. So I gave up and accepted that I wouldn’t have a child of my own. Thankfully I was blessed with my son that I conceived naturally.

[@cuban1ta]

My husband and I strongly considered IVF because we tried to conceive for over a year, fertility specialist said it was unexplained and we got pregnant right after but miscarried a month later, it was devastating. After a lot of fights and me going to therapy because his sister, 23, got pregnant right after and made comments like, I’m not ready, what if I’m not a good mom, and me having to be around her it was painful. I wanted the best for her but I just couldn’t face it. Anyway, went to therapy which was the best thing for me. About 11 months later got pregnant again and now have a beautiful two month old girl. So blessed. I’m glad god gave me the opportunity to be her mommy. I’m 33 years old.

[@DelicateThug]

I'm so sorry you went through all of that. I am so happy you have a beautiful baby girl!

[@lovedove6108]

Thank you for getting help instead of being mean to you sister in law.

[@watermelonlover745]

His sister getting pregnant around the same time: It sounds like you made her joy your sadness and made it obvious to everyone. I had a barren sister in-law do the same to me. I have so few joys in my life and her obvious jealousy was such a burden.

[@ashleyrebert]

I can only speak for myself… but being pregnant felt like such a gift. Yes, it’s not glamorous… but every time my baby moved my heart grew. Very special.

[@jamba622]

How nice for you. Many woman are not so lucky

[@all_things_beautiful6905]

I agree. I was sick for months, I broke out all over my face, and it changed some things on my body forever BUT carrying my children (even with the complications with my second pregnancy) I would never trade that connection - that bond - to save my body.

[@medusachristo1883]

Well for me I was annoyed & uncomfortable. I didn't hate It. But I didn't love It.

[@verenamenzel8958]

it should be forbidden. How does the children deal with when they got older?

[@ashleyrebert]

@@jamba622 what do you mean by “not so lucky”?

[@anahifuentes2637]

I considered selling my eggs in a period of my life when I was doing really really bad on my finances. I went to a clinic but After doing my own research and realize they were going to put my body through a several amount of hormones and force it, I decided not to do it. No amount of money can compensate hurting your body this way. Not to mention the idea of a baby( that will be my son or daughter) be somewhere there living and just pretend doesn't exist, for me it would have been morally disturbing. Even if it might look like helping somebody else. I think Couples should reconsider adopt. Is also a difficult and long process but being a parent is not just about procreate.

[@dcc-randomstorieswithmel7424]

You wanted it for money,that doesn't mean you should discourage those who do it to help people

[@nicoleackerman205]

What they need to do is adoption reform and we can actually blame strict adoption law on actors as well since a bunch of old school Hollywood actress were either told not to get pregnant or had so much abortions that they could not have kids and they where involved in black market adoptions that where under the guise of being legal. It all came out in the 70's and 80's and now one has to to be a millionaire and perfect in order to be able to adopt a baby in the States. The average person has a better chance of winning the lottery then bring approved to adopted a baby.

[@sweetcheeks5775]

That’s like reproductive prostitution. Selling your own family 😞

[@Amabadam]

Having my baby growing inside me was one of the most beautiful experiences I ever had! Just some days ago I was telling my husband how much I missed being pregnant. The wonder, the excitement, loving that baby so so much already wishing having seeing her face yet. Would not trade it for anything

[@kp361]

Some people aren't able to grow a baby inside of them. I'm sure they'd rather that they could.

[@jamiehershon]

I'm conservative but one thing I don't feel like I can talk to anyone about (regardless of political views) is that I froze my eggs and will later be doing IVF. I have bad ovaries and while I would love to find a good man to settle down with, it has never happened and I'm old now. I did briefly think about a surrogate however I'm not that trusting and would prefer to do it myself. I'd just feel more connected too tbh.

[@thatimokoena8357]

How old is too old? Are you in your 40s??

[@jamiehershon]

@@thatimokoena8357 40.

[@CelleSleuths]

It takes a powerful person to be able to speak about something and look you in the face and say 'I don't know how I feel about this, but I want to discuss it and learn more and do research'. I really wish more people were like this.

[@zinky1111]

Really? Or like other sycophants, we’re you predisposed to read her comment, and then trip over yourself to find it praise worthy? How about as a special Christmas gift to you, I will train 10 people to reserve judgement, do further research, and then like any other ass hole, render “an opinion”! It’s not like curing cancer, stop groveling!

[@juliettejohnson3510]

very courageous woman

[@TheRealCantaraBella]

There is a specific vanity about a healthy adult choosing serogacy without even thinking about biological birth or adoption. Millions of children never get adopted, and I think it a huge mark on society that people wanting children continue to o erlook them decade after decade.

[@laladude6563]

Agreed!

[@Blakmage3]

Adoption is not easy and can take years! There is also no guarantee that you will be offered a newborn baby either. Most of the time people will get offered a child that’s at least 18 months old and has issues from its upbringing to that point.

[@youtubez7580]

I’m sure they think about pregnancy maybe it’s a personal choice

[@twentysecondcenturywoman]

That’s literally not my problem. Dude, people are allowed to have biological children. Just because someone gave their child up for adoption, doesn’t mean people HAVE TO ADOPT. You have to be called to adopt, a lot aren’t.

[@yoshzlac2429]

Let's be Honest We all remember this Record : kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3fRnX-pjZyYn9k

[@michellesalcido1401]

After 10 miscarriages in 4 years, I finally gave birth to my Rainbow baby and I am now 7 months with my second baby.. The process was painful and difficult but it helped me and my husband to become even closer since we were both physically vested in having children. Of course, we could have gotten a surrogate but we wanted the experience ourselves. After the 5th loss, I almost gave up hope ,after 10 losses I was so sad but that changed suddenly when out of nowhere, I'm being blessed with the babies I always wanted to have. If it's meant to be, it will, if not ,it wasn't

[@prasad9002]

Well obviously it's meant to be for some via surrogacy. Babies are being born. So it's meant to be.

[@msjonesss]

If you look at Kim K pictures pregnant of her feet and ankles and the severe swelling, I believe she suffers from preeclampsia which she has mentioned. If you’re prone to preeclampsia which gets worse with subsequent pregnancies it can be very dangerous 🤷‍♀️

[@jamiehershon]

I kind of figured that with Kim quite honestly. That said, other than wanting to have a big family I don't get why she wanted to through more surrogates 3 times. I get to have 1 more kid after North so she would have a sibling but 2 more times?

[@rafaelatenorio5051]

she almost died in her second pregnancy

[@stellajenkin6631]

I think the point was... if an everyday woman, without the money or privilege of women such as Kim K, had the same struggle, they would have had to stop at two children no matter how many they 'want'

[@chimchimsjamkookies4242]

@@stellajenkin6631 that's the case with everything. I want a prada bag but I don't have money. Does that mean I can chastise those who can have it?

[@stellajenkin6631]

@@chimchimsjamkookies4242 comparing a topic such as this to a materialistic item 🙄... I don't believe I vilified anyone for anything. I simply expressed how I perceived that particular point.

[@veragiddings2709]

I know someone that has been a five time surrogate. What I learned from watching these experiences is that, for the surrogate this is an emotionally grueling process. I saw her go through depression and anxiety over giving the baby over to its “parents” immediately after birth. The entire time she was telling them she was happy things worked out and they had their family, all the while in her private moments she was suffering tremendously. The state we were in had this rule that you have to wait a certain amount of time before the baby was officially signed over by the birth mother to its biological mother, because it was considered her ( the surrogate’s) baby since she gave birth to it. That was another grueling part of the process, because you have to see this baby again that you carried and birthed , and yet you haven’t been allowed to touch it since it left your body. Now you have to, in your postpartum state, go to court to officially say this is not your baby and you give up any legal right to the child and then your job is done. To be honest, of the five times I saw her do this, only one couple was genuinely aware of what the process meant and was truly grateful for her help in making them a family. There are also horrors I can’t repeat here and for those reasons, and the ones I’ve previously mentioned, I simply don’t agree with the process of surrogacy. In my honest opinion, if you really gave it your best shot and it didn’t happen, maybe saving a child from the foster system or a desperately impoverished situation is what you have been called to do. If you really think about it surrogacy is really just you adopting your own biological child. The same issues that many people say are obstacles to them taking the adoption route are the same issues you face with surrogacy. The worry that you won’t bond with the child because you didn’t give birth to it is a huge looming worry and a very real possibility when surrogacy is used. The only thing that is different with surrogacy is that in the adopting family’s mind they are comfortable knowing that this is a biological member of their family.

[@oliviatiller1088]

More people need to know this!

[@paolaayala8988]

great point of view

[@ghostlyrose8946]

This is EXACTLY how I feel about surrogacy! I've been pregnant 5 times now, with my own children, and I form a deep bond with each of them before they are born. I can't fathom handing them off after birth, or signing them away at a courthouse. I know I would emotionally break. I see surrogacy and IVF treatment as turning the donating women as just baby making machines. She's either donating her egg, or she's donating her entire body and at least ten months of her life.

[@avapilsen]

It's a consentual transaction. She could have chosen NOT to do it. No one forces women to be surragtes. This is America.

[@positiveenergy8888]

Didn’t read all that but that’s her fault for doing it 5 times. If she had an issue the first time she should have stopped , no one forced her. Sounds like someone wanting to be a victim

[@TheChillin2011]

you don't have time to conceive a child but you have time to raise a child......SMH

[@victoriamarrero1902]

literally

[@raemontargaryen3005]

well some people have time to “make babies” but doesnt care about the child either...so. i dont think “conceiving” equals good parenting and vice versa.

[@Kwildcat13]

@@raemontargaryen3005 true

[@bo_arrow]

But have the time or less to spread legs to cause friction but can't keep the spark afterwards?

[@georgebunny1910]

They probably have 4 nannys to help them. One for morning, afternoon, nighttime and overnight.

[@kingroman9538]

Kim didn't just choose surrogacy because of luxury alone. Her previous pregnancies came with health risks & complications. But why is anyone minding other people's business in regards to how they choose to have children.

[@alaynakelty9146]

I had my daughter through ivf and was never told gender. Cried when I found out when I was having a baby girl. Sobbed. GOD BLESS my baby Rowan she is the biggest blindsided blessing. I had a plan. She and God had different plans. Biggest blessing of my life thank you GOD

[@jbeannie90]

I find it laughable that Chopra & Jonas claim they just couldn't line up their schedules during her fertile times, yet they have the time to make multiple visits to a fertility clinic, she has to go through the long process of taking the meds needed to force her body to produce/release multiple eggs at one time, and then go to the clinic to have those eggs removed. I would think, as a couple, he would want to be with her at each of the appointments. Regardless, it will clearly take way more of their time to go through the process of egg harvesting for surrogacy than them being able to get together to conceive naturally. I feel like this is more about her simply not wanting to go through the physical changes that a pregnancy will cause to her body because if it's just a timing issue of them not being able to come together at the right time, then why not just do artificial insemination with his sperm? Based on their reasons, going to the extreme of surrogacy doesn't make any sense. AND…if they can't find the time to come together to conceive a baby, how in the world are they ever going to have time to actually raise a baby??

[@vivek27789]

Oh may be she is just old and her eggs are gone...She is 40 years old.

[@jbeannie90]

@@vivek27789 That's not the reason they gave for using a surrogate, so if it is due to age, why make up a lie about conflicting schedules?

[@vivek27789]

@@jbeannie90 Bcoz Priyanka Chopra is an Indian...And it's still a big shame in Indian culture and society for women to be barren and infertile. She would rather be shamed for being a spoiled rich celebrity than be truly be shamed and ridiculed all over for being infertile....which is seen as being a great shame and life failure for a woman in India and other South Asian countries.

[@jbeannie90]

@@vivek27789 That's interesting. Her reasoning seemed weird to me, as I would think she would get more sympathy and understanding for having infertility issues than the "spoiled rich celebrity" reason, but that's based on American culture. I had no idea her Indian culture was that harsh on women & that's very sad. Thanks for sharing that perspective!

[@Makiwantsapeach]

Like what my mom said when they were talking about bringing mammoths 🦣 back, they are “playing god” and it’s disturbing. Every child is beautiful regardless of the features. It’s disgusting how they select the child like it’s a prop instead of a it being a joy of life.

[@Delphi333]

Exactly. And think about the kid. When they mess up, or don't "turn out" how mom and dad requested...what happens? Are mom and dad going to think "boy, we should have gone with the blonde hair instead." Or, "if we had chosen a boy I bet he would have been easier." It opens up a dangerous can of worms. And if you choose a surrogate? It's that times a thousand. "Oh - we SHOULD have chosen the volleyball player." Think of how easy it will be to write of responsibility for your child by blaming the genetics of the surrogate. People can rationalize anything however. They'll tell themselves it's OK. They DESERVE a child. Why shouldn't they get what they want?

[@smdcoco005]

It's not playing God it's the same thing we do when we select mates to have children, the same way you know having children with a lazy person with absolutely zero ambition or iq will lead to children of the same caliber. If you have a child with an smart super sport player you expect at least ONE o those traits to be the same, this is what the parents are doing and I don't see anything wrong with that.

[@SunFlower-jr2qh]

Watch the movie GATTACA to understand some potential ramifications

[@cynthiasparkschannel7797]

If a person has the money and wants to have a surrogate for non-health related reasons, I think that’s just being called privileged affff… 😅 nothing wrong with that as long as you don’t loose a sense of reality that is most people can’t do it even if they really NEED to or WANT to due to not being able to afford it (100-200k) or other reasons.

[@johnandevefoster3816]

the couple that "couldnt find the time" sounds like an excuse to hide the real reason. who wants to openly say, ya, i paid a women to carry our baby so my body wouldnt be effected by childbirth... instead they made that excuse up

[@mamarobinson5024]

As someone who has had 4 miscarriages and 1 miracle baby, I have great sympathy for people who want to have children and can't. But to want something so badly that you are willing to do anything to obtain it? Something about IVF and surrogacy have always not sat well with me. And I do have big problems with embryos being discarded in the process.

[@jenk2745]

Yes, the discarded embryos really bothers me because they’re either frozen indefinitely, donated, or “discarded” which is miscarried basically. All are terrible options

[@lmt6672]

@@jenk2745 not even miscarried, but aborted

[@TheFaro2011]

People don't talk about that. That's equivalent to abortion

[@memymomalex]

Im in the same boat - i trust God’s plan for my life. And my husband and i are already talking about adoption. It breaks my heart that there are innocent children out there who want a mommy and a daddy more than anything.

[@josephinetyree1476]

GREAT...POINT....It's abortion all over again....Eliminating a potential person.....who was created in an 'abnormal' way.............

[@SomeOne-gq4dy]

It feels weird because it feels like we’re normalizing , in essence, a form of eugenics.

[@XOChristianaNicole]

So true.

[@soraya.e5482]

Look at Americas history this country loves eugenics

[@aslek1yels]

My cousin and her husband also had to refinance their house for IVF, they’ve done it a couple of times and have been trying for years and still don’t have a baby. It’s sad to me. I hope one day all of their sacrifices and determination will pay off.

[@mercyroman1]

Ivf is what you do when you have no other choice. The process is not easy and it is painful

[@kellifrazier979]

And very expensive & time consuming & with no guarantee

[@kutie216]

@@kellifrazier979 And comes with inherent risks like any other medical procedure.

[@happylily2]

IVF is not guaranteed. Doctors are not God.

[@jayseven5249]

Also if you are TOO busy to get and be pregnant, then don't have a child. That comment is absurd and insane and again, sickening to think that rich people think this is ok and rationalized being so busy to conceive that they hire someone else. I guess NANNIES will be the primary parental roles too.

[@Jahid_n]

I think i dont have a problem with that. Thats the choice they make but i still wont support it.

[@jbilotta]

As a woman who went through menopause at 26, I didn’t have a choice to be pregnant. I think I’m a good person to give an opinion on this. It’s not that difficult to get pregnant until it is. I don’t believe in fighting nature to have children. I’m conservative so I would want a child to have both a mother & father figure. I never found the right man (yet). If I really wanted a child, I’d adopt. There are children that need homes.

[@SCruz-ec9hi]

What if you had a husband who wants to be a dad (biological children) , and IFV or surrogacy was affordable to both of you ?

[@jbilotta]

@@SCruz-ec9hi I am 51 years old and not planning to have children or anyone’s stepchildren. Even if I was 25 years old again I don’t believe in surrogacy, and I’m not into IVF. Creating a child should happen naturally, that’s my opinion. I know everybody wants a biological child for many reasons. I can understand that as well. If you really want to be a dad or a mom, you can adopt.

[@nightlysobbing]

@@jbilotta This is such a good take and I respect you.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

Wow menopause at 26! How old when you had your first period? If you don’t mind me asking. However we are all entitled to an opinion. Some peoples opinions are more rooted in experience however and that can even change the perspective they once had. I try and base my opinions on facts not my feelings.

[@sbaby-np5hy]

Wow menopause at 26. I actually know a husband and wife through my church who could not conceive children he was infertile and they wanted children more than anything in this world and they adopted both their boys. I can understand your position on adoption. I understand where you're coming from.

[@daniellem1296]

My husband and I had to go the IVF route after other medical interventions because of our inability to conceive naturally. We are both so grateful we even had this option as our elderly neighbors across the street did not have that option and went the adoption route ( still equally as blessed and beautiful). It was explained to me (the day of transfer) that the embryos of normal development on day 5 were the best chance we had to conceive. We also had 4 that were behind ‘normal’ development but would be monitored to day 6 and frozen in case we didn’t conceive. On day 5 we transferred the two embryos and waited to here about the other 4. On day six we were told only 2 made it and were frozen if we needed to try again or wanted more children. We are so blessed, we had two (twins) healthy beautiful babes. Because this was baby 3 & 4 for me we are now faced with the horrific reality that we aren’t in a place to have more children but there are these two embryonic angels. Our hearts are broken even thinking about destroying them. There is always a price to pay. 😔 With that said, our children are our world and we are blessed to have and hold them.

[@maeveandrade8780]

Hi Danielle - I’m wondering if you’ve considered placing the embryos up for adoption? There is a Christian based clinic (I believe called Snowflake Adoption, along those lines) that will take these embryos and couples who have a burden on their hearts for these sweet babies can adopt. Or couples who have one partner who is infertile. I am going to pray for you…you aren’t alone in this heartbreak. I am right there with you 💓

[@donttrustyourself]

The process of "destroying" them?! No, it's not the same as adopting. For us, Christians, this process is pure sin/evil. I'm shocked but of course I still wish the best to you and your beautiful twins

[@newsystem420]

​@donttrustyourself the sin is not in the parents, blame the science, and use prayer towards the bigger evils we gotta work about. Sin is viewing everything in the lens of black or white. I'm sad about the science behind IVF and I'm sorry you experienced that. Thank you for sharing your story to other women❤

[@sweetielady7710]

Thank you so much for this video! This was really informative; you shared a lot of interesting facts that I didn't know. My thoughts: 1. I'm not necessarily against them getting to pick the gender. I see where it seems a bit... unnatural I guess? Not sure how to describe it. But my dad really wanted boys and ended up with a girl (me) and he spent my whole childhood trying to make me into a "boy", i.e. cutting my hair, forcing me to do sports, shaming me whenever I wanted to go shopping or do any type of "girly" activities. It was a tough way to grow up because I'm very much a "girly-girl" and always was. Always loved makeup, the color pink, going to the mall, etc. It's fair to say that someone like him probably shouldn't even be a parent but that's a different discussion. If he could've chosen and had a son, I feel like he might have been a more fit parent and maybe my life wouldn't have been such a living hell. 2. Nick Jonas and his wife - if they don't even have the time to meet up with each other on fertile days, then how the heck are they going to have time for a family?? This just sounds like a disastrous setup. 3. I understand Khloe wanting her kids to have the same dad, but I think it's cruel to intentionally bring children into a situation in which the parents are in a toxic relationship with each other. Why bring an innocent child into that mess? The child won't fix anything. It'll just make things harder. 4. You mentioned a lot of these women donating their eggs are fresh out of high school and need money, most likely to pay the ridiculous price of college. So I think bringing that up was a good point because it can lead to a further discussion about why people are pressured so badly to go expensive colleges to the point where they're willing to do something like egg donation just to be able to afford it. Great discussions to have for sure. Thank you again for this, Candace!

[@kbc1883]

The fact that egg donors are given many times higher levels of hormones than a person going through IVF would be given and the harm that can do for her future own fertility (and to the eggs that are harvested from that massive dose of hormones) is hugely unethical in my opinion. It is heart breaking to hear the stories from former egg donors who were not given a clear risk analysis and have been left infertile themselves when they try to have their own children later. They are sold egg donation as a win/win situation when, in fact, it is anything but. And I am childless NOT by choice, so I deeply understand the grief of not having children. And still, cannot support egg donation for profit.

[@cassie1264]

I have looked into being a surrogate and most places require that you are done having children of your own. Probably because of the risks to your future fertility. I don't know if this is a requirement at all clinics though. That and people change their mind sometimes. they think they're done and then decide they want another.

[@Qetesh773]

Wow I did not know that.

[@judymurray191]

I agree. It seems very risky for the egg donors. My granddaughter considered doing that for the money and after she explained to me what it entailed for her I was horrified! I asked her to please not consider doing that.

[@marciapd10]

Yootoob asking is rating your comment

[@lolas185]

and they get cancer and die

[@sharoletyoung7449]

Mother of 5 here. Old fashioned process used. Never knew the sex before they were born. All grown. I'm a great grandmother. I cannot imagine how low humankind has managed to go in my 76 years on this earth. I have 2 adopted uncles that I adored all my life. My maternal grandparents raised to adulthood around 80 foster children. It astounds me how selfish people have become.

[@JS-sv4ol]

Are you a Christian?

[@samantharitchie9148]

They're selfish for wanting a biological child but unable to do so? It's your generation that's fucked up the reproductive health of young ones today with your overuse of pesticides and chemicals in everything. So get off your high horse.

[@jessalove3344]

Honestly, I feel like they're missing out on one of the most awe-inspiring moments that one can have. Just from personal experience, being pregnant and giving birth was one of the toughest and most rewarding experiences I've ever had.

[@RochelleMariee21]

I agree however a lot of women can’t have babies naturally. I’m sure if they could A LOT of women would love to have a baby naturally.

[@joycenesselhauf1220]

I don’t think anyone should be judged on how they add a child to their family unless it’s by illegal means. If the options are available, then who are we to decide? If they can give a child a good, loving, secure home then go for it.

[@akankshatyagi7553]

So true. People don't respect other's opinions nowadays they are just judging women for choosing surrogacy 😅. The whole process of pregnancy is too much to handle. The women's body goes through a lot if they have the money and if it's not illegal why judge them. Live and let live😩

[@tashasmithy5795]

Yeah but people will judge other people no matter what

[@yumiko0017]

If I could afford it I would use a surrogate. They’re willing to make a great sacrifice for myself and my child. Not enough respect can be given.

[@cherildelacruz7018]

Is taking a baby away from the original mother or a mother who gives a child away for money okay? My god I’m disgusted with the entire process.

[@akankshatyagi7553]

@@cherildelacruz7018 if both parties are ok it should not be an issue. It all comes down to preference. You might not like something but someone else can like it. For some it gives them happiness some parents might be struggling to have a baby some moms night not be able to conceive. Obviously the option of adoption is available anytime but again preference

[@c.abshier8621]

Having spent decades in medicine with an emphasis in RE (fertility), what I had originally thought was noble in helping infertile couples, revealed a gruesome dark side that too often expressed itself in the most tawdry tales. While interventions can help many deserving couples, the industry has commoditized life and also its end. Girl I have stories…

[@forbholenath]

Can you please share some of those stories?

[@NormieNeko]

You should do video shorts or even write anonymously on either Reddit or Quora. I believe many would be interested in this subject.

[@tinalena]

Like what.. it does seem like a field where you are helping people

[@JS-sv4ol]

Share?

[@stephj9378]

A book...maybe?

[@Aichukdebbarman7838]

As a hindu from india, I haven't loved anyone so much as Candice. To have a sensible conversation with facts and logics is always so thought provoking.

[@keshhan6412]

I probably feel the same way as you, I admire some of her opinions and her courageous defence of traditional, conservative values and decency. However, I am mindful that the various conservative movements in America are not comfortable with India as it is majority Hindu and a very much alien culture the them.

[@user-KK812]

Same here , although I don’t always agree with everything they say ( especially the things they’ve said about Hinduism ) , I still enjoy listening to them

[@katherinechase3674]

She is largely inflaming situations to make a buck and become known. Just like so many of the creeps on Fox-

[@msinj]

@@user-KK812 just curious, what have you heard about Hinduism that makes you wary? This is not an attack just a genuine curiosity since I'm a hindu and would like to engage in a dialog if possible.

[@user-KK812]

@@msinj Michael Knowles has previously said that yoga and Hinduism is demonic and dangerous and said that these aren’t real gods . The clip was on KZbin but it got removed cause of community guidelines I believe

[@mariannebullock7621]

1) They grade the embryos which have been fertilised to see which is the healthiest and most likely to get through full term. The embryologist checks the embryos to see that they are keeping pace with where they should be at for the amount of time they have been gestating. For example, the cells split and multiply every second day and a 5 day old embryo (that's the uterus transfer day) needs to have a certain number of cells). They also note whether the embryos has any resistance to the sperm being injected. The coating of a woman's ovaries gardens with age and this is an issue because the cells may not be able to break out of the casing and implant into the uterus wall to facilitate pregnancy. We had 5 fertilised embryos. 2 failed to replicate cells at all. The other 3 were further observed and they all grew at a different pace. 2 "arrested" (stopped replicating cells) by day 4. That left only 1 to be transferred. It was not the best quality embryos for a 5 day old, but it was all we had. Once transferred, it failed to impregnate. This could have been because the growth rate arrested as the others did, or because my ovary casings were showing signs of hardening. So that indicated a lack of ovary quality and embryo quality. As with the UK, we cannot choose embryo gender, except in the circumstance that there is a genetic predisposition for a particular gender in our families. Had we even thought about gender, we would have had nothing at all to transfer, so I say be grateful with what you get. Also, in my state, surrogacy is illegal. That's the end of the journey for us.

[@chosenone9074]

Wow!! I thought I was the only one thinking about this matter. Thanks, Candance!

[@gemmagreene362]

It might be a bit of a difficult conversation when the child grows up. “Mummy, how did you have me?” “Well, dear, Daddy and I couldn’t be arsed to go through the whole getting pregnant and carrying a child stuff, so we paid a poor person to do it for us. And that’s how you were born. Now go back to the poor person we pay to raise you, we have guests coming.” Or something like that.

[@kathyalex778]

I couldn’t have said it better, wow

[@njerindichu8271]

😱😱😱😱😱

[@celeboria]

I completely agree! Just like I always wonder, how does a woman who has had an abortion and had children afterwards explain to them that she allowed them to live, but not their brother or sister before? "Mummy, why don´t I have a brother or sister?" "Well, because when I was pregnant with them, the timing didn´t fit my self - centred existence, so I murdered them while they were still gowing inside me and before they were born." "You on the other hand were lucky." "I wanted to have you."

[@seanyager3177]

Lol damn you literally killed that! Twas perfect 👌

[@missJolie85]

@@celeboria I don't think this is a normal conversation at all. I'm not taking a stand on this abortion issue, other than the fact that I wouldn't personally have one, but I don't think I have the right to choose for others. I think it's not something you need to share with your child. My mom had a miscarriage before me and I didn't find out until my grandma, who lived in another country and was visiting, just randomly told me one day when I was 25. I did want another sibling besides by younger brother, and and my mom certainly didn't burst out with the fact that she lost my older brother. She didn't want another and that's what she said, and I do believe her. I wouldn't even be here if my borther had lived, I was born only a year after. This is such a weird, unusal conversation you have made up and made into an issue all in your head. Yes, this was a miscarriage and not an abortions, but I don't see how abortion is something you just blab out in the same way either.

[@Blakmage3]

As someone with a lot of experience with the grading recommendations that the IVF clinic make, I can tell you for absolute certainty that a high grade embryo might not even trigger a positive pregnancy test and a low grade embryo can produce the most beautiful baby.

[@yoshzlac2429]

Let's be Honest We all remember this Record : kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3fRnX-pjZyYn9k

[@joereginmyre]

I AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@phedreBiOn]

Exactly, that's the hubris of these people.

[@goldiefatale]

I transferred all of them I didn't care. I don't know which one took because I didn't ask. It took them all and three transfers.

[@loislewis5229]

Interesting, thanks for your expertise

[@BrothandBroth]

As a conservative, nationalist woman, if you will comment, I did IVF with an egg donor because I was not able on my own and I resent the comment comparing the process to tinder. Frankly also, I used every embryo that we had because my belief in life at conception I have beautiful daughters that do not carry my gene but they carry my heart and soul and I love them as if they did. I applaud your willingness to have the discussion, but I think we need to go a little deeper here.

[@natalieyesufu5070]

Congratulations on being a Mother, IVF is very difficult. 🙏

[@cynthiasparkschannel7797]

I’m being as nice as possible saying this - I get why you resent the tinder comment (a little insensitive way to put it) but is that not true? Is the process not like choosing things from a catalog-like approach? Asking for my own edification.

[@cynthiasparkschannel7797]

And also for the record - I don’t see anything wrong with that approach. Why wouldn’t someone want to pick the best donor? (I certainly would!)

[@ry.butterfly]

@CynthiaSparksChannel I think it might be the comparison to tinder which is a hook up app. I think of it more like lovingly searching for a much desired treasure rather than a dating app

[@MimosaRose]

Previously diagnosed with unexplained infertility for 8 years. Our OBGYN tried to push IVF, we switched to a NAPRO doctor. NAPRO doctors work to treat the WHY behind infertility and help couples become healthier. Last month, I gave birth to my 3rd child in five years. It is really miraculous. Now, I understand my journey may not work for everyone else ( certainly less expensive), but people don’t realize how often doctors use IVF before researching the problem behind it.

[@alycewich4472]

@Ashley Leirer - Thank you for mentioning this treatment. I just heard about this process a couple of days ago in reading the book, "This is when we begin to fight" by Steve Karlen

[@gracebutcher457]

I have three main thoughts about surrogacy for vanity/time reasons aka “social” surrogacy: 1) I think to choose “social” surrogacy is clearly wrong. It’s selfish and the risks involved in it are pretty high, in my opinion much higher than the rewards (i.e. not messing up you body). It’s selfish. Just like how choosing to have a child to save your marriage is selfish. Decisions like these lead to generational harm and treat children (aka small humans) as commodities…less than human. The question to me personally isn’t if this is wrong or not (to me it clearly is wrong, but feel free to disagree). For me the question is, should it be illegal? Because in the words of Jordan Peterson “not everything wrong is illegal, so how do you decide what wrong things are illegal?” 2) I find it ironic that couples who choose surrogacy because of their busy schedules even want a child in the first place. Kids are more work outside of the womb than in it and require WAY more attention when they are toddling around. This again leaves the impression that the child is a commodity, and will likely be neglected by its parents (you can still have a nanny and be neglecting a child’s emotional need to bond with a parent). 3) It leans into this idea of “having it all”. This is a toxic belief in our culture and it needs to be pushed back on. Women want the job and the hot hubby but with all the freedom of a single rich woman, and women want the bangin body and to travel everywhere but also have adorable perfectly behaved children. Men want the sexy wife without having to actually deal with emotional expectations and they want children to carry on their legacy without actually having to raise them so they can do whatever they want with their time. People want it all and don’t want to sacrifice anything. This is what it looks like to pursue happiness instead of pursuing Christ (goodness, love, morality, righteousness). Suddenly little human beings are a box to be checked instead of an individual to be cherished. Note: I think sometimes we say kids or baby or fetus and that makes them seem like another species or some other creature. They’re not, they are human beings and one of the most vulnerable among us. Anyways those are the initial thoughts rolling around in my head. Thoughts?

[@stephj9378]

Well said

[@nabodimma]

Yes, I totally agree. More and more as I am becoming a proper adult, one constant thing my mind is coming to terms with is ‘sacrifice’. The world, we as a society, would literally be nothing without sacrifice. It’s like it is ingrained in our very being and it should translate to every aspect of our lives.

[@godslittlegirl]

Never have I agreed more with someone I have never met! LOL. Well said fellow sister in Christ!

[@brideofchrist9577]

Amen! Its all about convenience for those who don't want to go through the struggle.

[@tunge881]

Dam this was solid 👏🏾👏🏾

[@victoriakenney2848]

I’m honestly curious about the thoughts of the children who are born to a surrogate. As a mom, I get thousands of questions from my kids about my pregnancy with them and when I tell them how they weee in my womb they feel loved. In my opinion, that’s such a vital piece.

[@gladymaradorno8238]

Omg yes! These were beautiful topics. My mom used to tak about how we were in her womb, and it makes you feel special and connected as if you were part of her. An experience I hope to have one day.

[@dh5549]

You need help

[@jasonarondeau]

I have an ongoing relationship with my surrogate daughter and her fathers are very intent on us knowing each other as family for the rest of our lives. They plan to be very open about how she was created (two moms... anget egg donor and me) and it was one of the reasons why I chose to help them. Anything is possible :)

[@victoriakenney2848]

@@dh5549 why do I need help exactly? I can’t ask questions?

[@victoriakenney2848]

@@jasonarondeau thank you for your perspective. I’m not close mind. I’m actually curious about the kids thoughts on it you know.

[@ry.butterfly]

In my opinion if you have to actively work for and seek a baby, be it adoption, surrogacy, IVF, foster to adopt, etc. It just shows how deeply you desire to have a family and how wanted and cherished that child will be

[@donnastark3101]

Speaking as a mother of four and a and grandmother of six: 1. First issue, I’m thinking of all the lives cut short when a couple “selects“ for gender or viability attributes. Life created, and life destroyed, because it’s not wanted or not “worthy”. The same objection I have to abortion, including the morning after pill and IUDs 2. Selling your eggs or sperm for money is, in my opinion, the same as selling your children for money. The kind of scenario we might equate with unscrupulous slaveowners and who begot children with their female slaves, and then sold them for money. 3. For couples genuinely struggling with fertility, please, bless a child in the foster care system who desperately needs nurturing parents and a place to call home. 4. And for the ridiculously wealthy who want children without inconvenience, put on your big kid pants and do the work it takes to bear, birth and raise a child! and then reap the rewards of your labour.

[@taidilla]

My friend did 2 surrogacy after her children were older with 2 different couples. She actually enjoyed it and they were really happy. She used the money to get a condo and she's been traveling all over the world and started a travel channel on KZbin

[@ilonat8373]

How much she got paid?

[@rainbowpandasays8851]

BS

[@sadiaswr]

We should get third world country people to be surrogates then that will help them out No.

[@gypsy-nr9zd]

Those women get paid about $30-50K. Gross underpayment for birthing a child for another couple

[@normaligara8456]

Currently pregnant with my first baby. The bond I'm developing with my growing little one in belly is one of a kind. The fact that everything I do, eat, etc. impacts my little baby is a responsibility like no other. Just this morning I was worried my baby isn't moving today and I was faulting it to the way I was sleeping in bed during the night which may have hindered the baby's blood flow. It's a tremendous responsibility and therefore a special bond you develop with your baby. My little one's life is on my hands and I do everything in my power to protect my baby. These women just want to masquerade as moms without the responsibility of motherhood. Disgusting.

[@sbaby-np5hy]

Congratulations! I just had my first child 4 years ago the bond that I got from being pregnant is so wonderful I remember when I felt that first kick I ran to my husband like a little child and when you've got to feel this you've got to feel this and the second they put him in my arms after I gave birth I just lost it.

[@medusachristo1883]

🙄 Pregnancy Is annoying & uncomfortable for me & horrible for others.

[@lasantisima6446]

@@medusachristo1883 Pregnancy is hard at times, but it's a Blessing to welcome your baby who grew inside of your womb. I can't put it into words.

[@steffylara1262]

So because you had good pregnancies you are invalidating other women experiences I had 2 babies but if I could afford it I would definitely had a surrogate my pregnancies we're horrible had hg ,preeclampsia was hospitalized for weeks on end so pregnancy I was really high risk to where I could have died because my body couldn't tolerate pregnancy but I wanted children badly so I risked my life to bring my children to this world but it shouldn't be that way and if you have the means to afford a surrogate and it's the safest option for you great who are to judge another womens experience.

[@steffylara1262]

Who are we to judge another mother on her journey to motherhood as long as the kids are well taken care of that's all that matters

[@rebeccabravo6144]

Speaking from the experience as the surrogate. It’s pretty dangerous for us as well and I feel like we are pushed into it when we are even slightly interested. I got preeclampsia with my surrogate baby & developed severe PPA. There’s reasons why it isn’t popular or even legal in other countries. To be honest I thought I was doing a beautiful thing.

[@eliv.7062]

This makes me think of those waiting lists to get a luxury brand bag. Children have become legal business and for some people they are just expensive merchandise they can either provide or afford. How have we come to see kids sexualised and exhibited as products in abhorrent luxury fashion campaigns? Because children were monetised long before this has started. It's absolutely nauseating and against nature. We should protect children's rights at all costs.

[@sierrahestum8007]

I was offered 250k while working through college to donate my eggs. Full blooded Native American and the woman wanted her children to have a high blood quantum. I declined but I remember just being in shock as this woman was a coworker on the tribal council.

[@kathyalex778]

Congrats to you on placing morality above money. That is a lot of money to turn down, I think you did the right thing. That is literally eugenics to desire your blood specifically because of your race 🤦‍♀️

[@SisterSanMiguel]

Creepy

[@amandaalves6936]

Really creepy sound like TV series

[@kimscott7269]

And as for choosing the sex, I contemplated IVF for a brief moment after having two boys and I desperately wanted a daughter, but at the end of the day, I was terrified at what message that would send to my two sons, especially when I would need to decide what to do with the other embryos. I believe it is life from conception, so destroying them would be killing them and adopting them out would mean that I would have children out there of mine being raised by someone else and I couldn’t do that either. I think IVF for convenience is a really slippery slope.

[@kathyalex778]

If you really wanted a daughter to raise and take care of, you can adopt a girl that’s already born. I think there’s nothing wrong with wanting a girl after you’ve had two boys, I totally can understand that

[@kimscott7269]

@@kathyalex778 absolutely! I would have taken that path too. I did have three more kiddos after my two boys and they were two daughters and a son. But I wholeheartedly believe in the beauty and miracle of adoption.

[@TheBaumcm]

I think they have to already have one child to select sex, don’t they?

[@CahliaShay]

I 100% agree!

[@angierivera6681]

Thanks for having the courage to talk about the things that need to be talked about because many people aren’t including details and examples like these in the main stream media.

[@freiagalacar5786]

instead of hiring surrogates people should be adopting children who need families. I also think it's traumatic for a child to be inside the womb of a woman who isn't bonding emotionally and energetically with her baby. It should be outlawed.

[@thrivingdevelopment2317]

I worked for many years with kids on the Autism Spectrum Disorder and a disproportionately large percentage of the kids I worked with were conceived through IVF or other fertility treatments. If you are not familiar with ASD, it is a neurodevelopmental disorder that affects essentially the typical function of the brain, thus kids with ASD differ in behaviour, social skills, and cognitive processing from typical children. It is a life long condition for which there is no cure, only treatment to maximize that child's potential. Now, I understand why someone would want to use every means they have to accomplish their dream of having a kid. But I took this data as a cautionary tale that maybe we shouldn't meddle so much on stuff that we don't understand completely and we most definitely should not play God by choosing the gender and other features of our kids.

[@sayaa1600]

That maybwell have more to do with the fact that most parents going through ivf are older, and so egg and sperm quality deteriorates and more chance of mutating and other issues. Hence why downs syndrome is more prevalent with older parents. May not be to do with the ivf process in and of itself

[@thrivingdevelopment2317]

@@sayaa1600 That can be a factor too, but that's exactly, by enlarge, the population which is more likely to use IVF. Why use it if you can easily get pregnant naturally. Unless you do it to use a surrogate mother, of course, but I think the percentage of people who do it for this reason is far smaller.

[@Docmatema]

@@sayaa1600 studies actually show that it's coz ALL the eggs and sperms are fertilized and given a chance to thrive whereas nature selects the strongest ovum of the follicles to survive

[@anastaciazara1787]

@@sayaa1600 Agreed. I think the salient question here is whether children conceived via IVF have higher rates of ASD when compared to naturally-conceived children with parents of the same age.

[@chanaheszter168]

What about the effect on women of repeated hormone injections? Not without effects.

[@johngalt6525]

Lazy privileged parenting exists .

[@lmcghee4976]

How?

[@conservativehippie9736]

They're men that's the true reason...been in training since childhood. I guarantee it!

[@OMGAGA24]

My goodness I am so thankful for your channel. Your willingness to talk about hard topics and leave it as an open conversation. I think the body rejecting these eggs is a clear sign from god that we’ve completely and utterly defied nature. This isn’t normal and we’re taking this too far.

[@Ginger_Spicy_Candor]

FACTS

[@sharigiesbrecht6873]

As the mother of 13 , the adoptive mother of 8 ( through foster care) -adoption is beautiful and amazing and I’m grateful for each of our children but a cannot deny the pain and loss that is intrinsic in adoption. For us to have the privilege of adoption someone else had to lose a child and more importantly the child lost their connection to their birth family. We believe in open adoption and work to maintain connections to them but it was and is still a huge loss. I know life isn’t fair and for some ivf and surrogacy is the only way they can have children but i wouldn’t chose to do this to a child - by using a surrogate for the pregnancy for convenience - the child and mother are missing out on the bonding that comes during pregnancy. And that loss follows the child through their life. With every stage of development- I see my children work through their understanding of the loss they carry. And it’s hard. I wish it wasn’t this way. They always wonder why and it’s painful

[@missdemeanors7138]

If you don't have the time it takes to physically come together to create a baby, you certainly don't have the time to raise it. That's how I feel about that. 😋

[@gcr1082]

A long time ago my sister and I agreed that if either of us ever needed it, we'd be each other's surrogates. My sister is the only person I'd ever do this for. But lately I've been considering the effects of surrogacy on both mother and baby. Infants bond with their mothers while in the womb. They develop their taste buds, partly due to genes, partly due to the foods their mothers eat while pregnant. Their brains start imprinting language while in the womb once their hearing is developed. A long time ago I read an entry on AITA where a mother was complaining that her son stopped calling her mom once he learnt she used surrogacy because she didn't want to get fat. He then asked if he could meet his surrogate mother. I still think IVF is an amazing scientific achievement and I'd still carry for my sister but maybe there's more to surrogacy than we realize. It's not as straightforward. Maybe we need to stop downplaying the importance of the relationships we form with the people around us and how our genes, our upbringing and our time in the womb shape who we become.

[@arielfonseca7148]

Totally agree. I think we are so uneducated about the intimate bonding that occurs during pregnancy and the spiritual process that is birth that we just see it as simply carrying a child physically for someone else. That baby belongs to that woman, and that woman belongs to that child. There is something spiritual and transformative that happens when a woman gives birth and when the child is taken away there is severe emotional damage. I think it's beyond what we even know currently with the information that we have and something we will pay dearly for down the road. We don't know what we don't know

[@CS-mf5un]

Good instincts. Firstly, surrogate mothers are being used as an object, reduced to their body parts. They are ten times more likely to die during pregnancy than women pregnant with their own genetic children. Next and just as if not more so important, the children are indeed harmed during this process. Not only are they more likely to suffer prenatal trauma due to lack of genetic compatibility but they suffer the most primal wound a human can experience- loss of their mother. Though surely the egg mother is the mother too, the babies in these circumstances are mothered and bonded to the mother they grow within. The bond is irreplaceable and not replicable by anything science suggests. It creates a deep psychological wound and several impairments throughout life. Not to mention the children who necessarily die during this process as embryos are "disposed," don't "take," and are more likely to trigger premature birth. But instead of asking adults to deal with their infertility, we hoist these burdens onto poor women and children.

[@fionam8759]

Also, abortion is a part of surrogacy. Multiple embryos are created, and often not all are implanted. Instead, they freeze and store or outright kill embryos they don’t implant. & it’s general practice to implant multiple embryos, &, if too many successfully implant (think octomom) they usually abort some.

[@uikmnhj4me]

@@fionam8759 This is why more women should consider unwanted embryo adoption. There are PEOPLE who have been stuck in freezers, unable to develop or live their lives for YEARS. Disturbing

[@arielfonseca7148]

@@uikmnhj4me yes 'people'!!! Agree 100%. A person is a person no matter how small. What a shame that in our society we fail to protect and even destroy the most helpless and defenseless among us.

[@vaniaquinn5292]

Common sense: -what part of this whole process is normal or moral/virtuous? -Is it normal for people to want to play God? -Is it normal for a couple to create life in a dish? -Is it ok to discard embryos as if they are trash? -Can you be pro-life and be pro IVF? -Can you be pro life and be pro surrogacy?…how could you?…Are the babies in the dish not alive?…Have they not been conceived?…Artificially, but they have been conceived and life given to them. -How can one on the one hand protect life and on the other discard it? Doesn’t make sense. -How is ok to cherry pick the features of your children?…No wonder why some Scandinavian countries are at the point of killing every baby with Down syndrome… IDEAS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. ***I wonder how many babies have been killed/discarded in this process. I don’t think anyone has ever addressed that. ***Where does it stop? Again, IDEAS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. How can any of this be ok? It doesn’t make any sense. I don’t have to be a theologian or a genius to know that this is not ok. Sometimes the answer is no. It takes humility to accept a “no” from God, but guess what, we have to trust in Him and know He loves us and that whatever He gives us or takes away from us is for our own sanctification. As they say, children are a gift from God ( Every perfect gift and every best gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights -James 1:17). Gifts are given not demanded. What a mentally of entitlement. It literally is saying, “I want a baby and I must have him” at all costs: monetarily, morally, psychologically, emotionally. How arrogant to think that we know better than Him, put ourselves in charge, play God and discard life as if these babies are garbage. **This is narcissism at its best! Back in the day, in general, if women couldn’t have children, they accepted it, moved on and/or adopted. People don’t have the right to children, once children are in this world, they do have the right to parents (heterosexual) parents. It shouldn’t be about the adults who are supposed to act like adults not brats, it’s about the children. Now it’s all about the adults who cant handle a “no.”

[@cherylstuetzle4436]

We did 1 round of IVF. I didn’t respond to the drugs. We then adopted our son from Calif and our daughter from Russia. Now we have 2 grandsons. Life is good ❤

[@zgold1118]

I can’t speak to how tragic it is that anyone who wants to have children potentially can’t. With that said, we have a broken foster care system and too many children stuck without families. I feel like this is a sign to adopt one or multiple of them. If you can’t naturally produce children, the next best thing is to help save a child who truly needs it.

[@jmedakwon]

I am so glad somebody stated this truth. Most of these adopted children I met were adopted by loving, financially responsible couples who were able to give them a content life. These adopted kids were glad they were born because they had loving parents who could give them a fulfilling life. Please consider adoption.

[@user-vt2ce2jc4r]

Yes but its on to want your flesh and blood isn't it

[@kathyalex778]

@@user-vt2ce2jc4r seems a bit extreme to rent out a woman’s womb to do that though

[@cassie1264]

Most of the kids in the foster care system are not up for adoption. The goal of foster care is to reunite children and parents whenever possible. Obviously, this doesn't always happen and kids do end up being put up for adoption or parents have their rights terminated, but it's a misconception that the answer to our broken foster care system is adoption.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

And that’s very noble. However some people don’t want to have to fix other peoples children! Or have to deal with all types of issues that come with that type of child! And mind you not all of them are damaged for lack of a better word yet some really just want their own. What gets me is when people decide to adopt out of the system yet they’ll go to another country as if to score some woke idealistic points instead of how many children here in their own country are in need of a good home & loving parents.

[@heathernewbold406]

I agree that using IVF is good for those who are struggling with infertility, and yes, it's expensive! The surrogacy out of luxury does feel unjust to those who actually need it and can't afford it.

[@smdcoco005]

I genuinely don't understand how parents who WANT kids and can AFORD to have and raise them should step away from having them for any reason. When they choose not to have kids they're bad influence but when they do they're bad influence

[@sishanavarro2813]

Ok so I had to use a surrogate to carry my son. Although I am all for differing opinions I find this video very offensive. Because bringing up various points of “do you have problem with that?” While giving minimal context to the point is really irresponsible. This would have made sense if you actually interviewed people that are surrogates and parents that have had to use them. Quite frankly if you haven’t had to go thru the grueling process of IVF and surrogacy then you really don’t need to have an opinion on this topic. Do some people do this in vanity. Sure I’ll give you that. But let’s just be real - the VAST majority of people that use surrogates are just like anyone else. They want a biological child. Period. Although adoption is a beautiful thing it’s unfair for fertile couples to expect that everyone else will just adopt. Adoption and the foster system is something all citizens should feel a responsibility to help with. Secondly most of these families aren’t rich. And they exhaust so much money because we believe that infertility should not be covered by insurance in this country. And embryo grading is important because every transfer attempt is extremely expensive- like over 10k. And being that embryos can have quality issues it’s important to give the moms or the surrogates the best embryos to prevent unnecessary miscarriage. And finally deciding the sex only happens if couples get their embryos genetically tested via biopsy prior to transfer. Which is quite expensive and not done by everyone. This is often done for people that have known quality issues or older moms with older eggs to again prevent using embryos that would fail anyways but yes the sex is determined in this test. It comes with it. You don’t pay extra to know the sex. It’s on the report. And honestly if after paying over 100k to have a child if the only perk is attempting to “try” for the sex you want. Then honestly I think it’s not that big of a deal. Because that’s exactly what it is - you try. No transfer is guaranteed. If you only have one girl embryo and 3 boy embryos but you want a girl and try for that first and it fails. Well guess what - you are gonna have a boy. And I’ve never ever met a mom who didn’t continue regardless of sex of the baby. We all have preference sometimes honestly. Infertile moms are no different. We are just like you. With the same dreams for family and children that have our husbands eyes or our smile. This is just the human in us. Nobody plans for this. It’s not in the storybooks. But I’m grateful for our surrogate everyday and for the science that made my amazing son possible.

[@melissat9120]

The Catholic Church teaches that IVF is wrong. And I wholeheartedly agree. It felt strange to keep hearing, “How do we feel about that?” Especially when asked so casually. Just because one is certain about something being right or wrong doesn’t mean that one is being “flippant” in one’s analyses.

[@spiritmatter1553]

I had a coworker go thru IVF many years ago. It was her second marriage and her new husband wanted children. She gave birth to twins at the age of 50. I was surprised at the level of screening the egg donor, a college student, went through while my coworker and her spouse didn’t get the psychological testing, they just had to produce money and sperm. The first attempt failed, because the body wants to reject a fertilized egg it didn’t make. It was terribly weird to me. The children were her husband’s with another woman after all and didn’t carry her DNA.

[@EmmanuelFortune]

Yeah, but it was still her child that she birth and it was the only opiton. I guess the only other option would have been to adopt.

[@clementine9187]

50?! oof, who would want a child at 50? That's not fair to the child either.

[@Phantom-sl9qv]

I really wish more couples that have a hard time getting pregnant would consider adoption, there’s so many kids in America alone that grow up in foster care systems

[@goodolearkygal5746]

It costs a fortune to adopt. We need to fix that

[@anastaciazara1787]

No. Not there aren't. The foster care system is designed to reunite children with their biological parents, because that's what's in their best interest. Foster-to-adopt is a myth that's told in order to recruit enough families to take care of children, because if adoption isn't an option, most people aren't interested in opening their homes and their hearts to foster. If either biological parent expresses any interest in parenting, even intermittent interest, then the child cannot be adopted. Blood relatives will always have priority for both foster and adoption. Children spend years being pinged around the foster care system because they have crappy parents who can't get their lives together enough to provide a stable and healthy home, not because there aren't enough families waiting to adopt them.

[@Ponce17]

@@anastaciazara1787 that's what I truly don't understand a good handful of times these parents are absurd and only want to have these children back because that's their blood and they feel the child needs them. Children need a mother and father figure that will love them and do good for them, if a parent has failed various times to do right by their child the foster system needs to say alright that enough and give the foster parents an open opportunity to adopt the child. It's alot to handle, emotionally, having your mother or father constantly jumping in and out of your life.

[@anastaciazara1787]

@@Ponce17 I asked this same question of a friend of mine who is an atty for the state representing children in foster care. She says that all of the child welfare studies show that kids do better over the long-term with their biological parents, even when those parents are intermittently present and lackluster at best. Only in cases of severe abuse and neglect do children do better being permanently adopted to an unrelated family. It's baffling, because all logic seems to indicate that a kid would do best with a stable, healthy, loving home, even if not biologically related. She says adoption works wonderfully with infants, and even young toddlers, because they don't have a memory of their biological parents, so they don't develop deep-seated feelings of abandonment, rejection, not belonging, etc.. It really is counterintuitive, but she says that decades of studies have all come to the same conclusions.

[@bluesky7288]

Its next to impossible to adopt a white baby. People are leery of adopting older black foster kids w ith issues.

[@froggybug]

There are SOOOOO many children that need homes…..adoption is also an option. If you don’t have time for sex, you don’t get pregnant.

[@Gigi-dg9mu]

I will admit I was not a fan of you from past commentaries you’ve said but I will give you credit for being fair and unbiased and letting the viewer make their own conclusions on such a controversial subject. Good video 👍🏻

[@mercibeau]

same !

[@lynnwalsh7733]

I have 2 boys aged 27 and 34. So I had my children (naturally) way before all these options. IVF was available back then but it wouldn't have been as advanced as it is today. I also chose not to find out the sex of each child during pregnancy. I was ecstatic when I gave birth to another healthy child and it truly didn't bother me that I had had another boy. I also knew that I didn't want any more children. However, after the birth of my second child, whenever I told anyone what I had had they would ask me.....are you going to try for a girl next?? Answer....no! But they gave me the impression that they felt that my family was incomplete unless I had children of both sexes....and I find this concept bizarre!

[@serenityvalley9409]

The lack of respect for human life and the power of procreation is heartbreaking.

[@sergei659]

If you had problems during your pregnancy, it’s totally ok not to want to go through it again

[@Lola6920]

A lot of the ethical issues the USA faces with IVF and surrogacy could be alleviated by adopting other developed countries policies on this, which allow for surrogacy, egg and sperm donation, but on an alturistic basis only. In Australia if you have a surrogate, she cannot be paid a fee for the service. Her medical expenses can be paid for, but the act itself must be voluntary. The same with egg donation - you can donate your eggs, but you can't sell them. Let's be honest about what egg donation really is in the USA - egg selling. In Australia, it is illegal to be paid to donate any human tissue. You can't be paid to donate your blood or kidney to someone, let alone your genetic material. Now this approach means that there are nowhere near as many egg/sperm donors, or surrogates available in Australia - which is sad for people who really want to have children but can't for whatever reason - but it is a lot more ethical because people cannot be essentially bribed to put their bodies through pregnancy or sell their children. When it comes to the ability to select the gender of the baby through IVF, Australia does ban this practice with the exception of if there is a known genetic disease that is passed down the male or female line. In that case, an ethics committee must review the request and they will generally accept it if there is a high risk of a child inheriting a genetic illness because of their sex. I believe that is a fair approach. I believe there is a middle ground when it comes to IVF, surrogacy and egg/sperm donation. I don't believe IVF is a black and white issue and there is a balance that can be achieved that allows people to use this technology to start their families while also putting safe guards in place to be as ethical and fair as possible to the people who make that possible for them.

[@natemarx4999]

Candace Owens has become such an important voice. I must confess, i didn’t expect this out of her a few years ago.

[@billbradleymusic]

She's a woman boy wonder.

[@GothBatty]

She’s a goddess 💕

[@shararowley8545]

It’s funny to see a “ Christian” try to justify 2 men having a baby not by Gods design. It’s not about at someone else carrying a baby, that’s not the issue. 2 men and 2 women can’t have children. That’s the difference between conservatives and Christians. Conservatives will always claim to be Christians but will always contradict the Bible. Not every conservative is a Christian just bc they have some biblical morals.

[@joereginmyre]

I AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@mlolvera91]

Really though! She was like a fire when I first saw her, and this is a side of her I never expected for some reason.

[@chronicallyhormomal]

After my doctor explained to me that if I didn’t freeze embryos , they would be “destroyed” I decided against ivf . We would have been taking out a loan for one round and I couldn’t afford to freeze them, and I didn’t want to “destroy” the others not implanted.

[@goodolearkygal5746]

I know a woman that had hers made into jewelry..... everyone thought it was so amazing and all I can see is a necklace of corpses.... she wears her dead children around her neck, she chose to kill them for jewelry

[@elizabethrenny]

Good for you! I totally agree 💕

[@goodolearkygal5746]

@@gypseytoo it must be a common thing in big cities if it was available 5yrs ago in springdale arkansas.....

[@kleinemaus6094]

I think surrogacy for convenience (not for women who genuinely, sadly, cannot conceive) is one of the most selfish acts a woman can do. Think about it. Your vanity means more to you than actually carrying and giving birth to your child, something many women, I'm sure many here in the comments section, would give just about anything to be able to do. I disagree with IVF a bit on the whole, I am Catholic and I believe life begins at conception, so the idea of freezing an embryo, potentially until it is discarded, isn't ok with me. But regardless of that, it certainly shouldn't be used out of convenience! If it must be done it should be done because a family is struggling with infertility!

[@frankiesulla5059]

I think that there are many, many reasons why a person might not want to/physically be able to have a child naturally and it's no one else's business.

[@melissabower6127]

This reminds me of the movie Gattaca. It saddens me that couples would pass off the joys and burdens of carrying their own baby. The cramps, the kicks, the worries, the hiccups - they all helped me to form a bond with my babies before they were born. I can't imagine missing out on that.

[@eoinbrennan3949]

I was literally about to post the same comment. Gattaca seems to have come true

[@dh5549]

You need help

[@Jemma29]

You can still love a baby even if you don’t have the baby yourself

[@medusachristo1883]

Eh It was annoying & uncomfortable. Infants are a drain too..I didn't enjoy that stage

[@lisak1355]

Someone mentioned in the Instagram comments that weight gain is probably another issue. As any mother knows, you never ever go back to how your body was before giving birth, once or five times. I'm sure some of these celebrities don't want to have to worry about that and find this as a way to get the best of both worlds. I find it disturbing.

[@threearrows2248]

I actually got into the best shape of my life when my second kid was 2. Since then, I've had 4 pregnancies, and I'm definitely not in the same shape, but if you work out, which these people have the time and money to do, there should be absolutely no issue, it just takes time and work. Women are just vain. It's so sad.

[@Rachel0731]

Exactly. I think this is the main reason they are doing this.

[@rapunzel4117]

Exactly, ie P. Chorea and Khloe K, to me it’s vain and selfish. If that’s the case don’t have a child, period! YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL AT ONCE! it’s disheartening that they choose surrogacy when they can get pregnant and see it as an inconvenience. Comes down to narcissism and that does not benefit any child.❤️🇺🇸🌹💜✝️🌸

[@Ginger_Spicy_Candor]

disturbing indeed

[@noeperez8196]

I believe that the hormones I had to take for my IVF triggered the malignant tumor on my breast. There is some research to support this. There is always consequences to every action and there is a need to be informed about them prior any permanent decision.

[@HonorsChemistryI]

Candice, you handled this topic well. I have considered this topic and came to the conclusion that we have gone astray. My husband and I adopted 6 children because we could not have children. I like Dave Rubin also, but did not want his joy smashed by using his situation to discuss this. But we need to discuss this.

[@haley2542]

Thank you for adopting!!!

[@rosalindasculturalcabana8581]

What a great conversation. Parenting via Tinder. What's terribly sad about examples such as Chopra and Jonas is that they don't treasure the magic and beauty of a child born out of making love. What does that say about their relationship? It sounds like a very sad transactional relationship in my opinion, a real loss of connection.

[@Jarvi_]

Candace has no idea that they chose it out of convenience and not for medical reasons also it's none of her fecking business or any of your judgmental asses either

[@gingerdad127]

In Australia, my wife was/is an "Endo Queen" (endometriosis) so we used IVF and two kids later, incredibly thankful 😇🙏 Choosing sex: not allowed, most people are grateful anyway just to get pregnant Grading Embryos: yes, standard practice, it's just to see if it can be a viable pregnancy. In short, as you go through the entire process, some to most eggs, sperm and/ or embryos "die off", so your odds keep reducing, kind of like a lottery I guess. Is emotionally and physically taxing to both parents Surrogacy: those Hollywood celebrities you mentioned 'bratify' the entire process, it needs extreme legislating creating something like "ethical surrogacy" as another option that could prevail for IVF couples who have failed, and not for Hollywood types who can't match their schedules

[@user-vt2ce2jc4r]

I'm extremely grateful for ivf as I have my Baby through it after trying for years

[@gingerdad127]

@@user-vt2ce2jc4r 😇🤗🥰🌻🌞

[@user-vt2ce2jc4r]

@@gingerdad127congratulations to you too. it was really upsetting to see so many comments shaming couples for wanting their own flesh and blood through ivf . Yes we can adopt but what is so wrong in wanting to hold your flesh and blood. Candace should have given are opinion on what she feels about Normal couples having babies through ivf coz of infertility. She didn't say coz she and Matt Walsh are against all ivf and surrogacy

[@hmtqnikitashakur3399]

thanks for that. see? who says you don't learn anything from YT?!

[@stephj9378]

IVF is the process but its still your 'ingredients'? (Trying to understand)

[@someoneyoumayormaynotknow3924]

To be honest if you aren’t like 40 and struggle to get a child just don’t do it. If u are scared of ruining ur body or whatever when go to hell seriously, a child is not an object to show off and then throw away at home so the nanny’s can take care of them. My opinion.

[@kaylab5844]

If they don't have time to come together to get pregnant naturally, how do they have time to do IVF? We've been through it, and it's extremely draining and time consuming!! This is ridiculous. I think these ppl would like to have their own flesh and blood, but not have to go through the hard part. The actual pregnancy and delivery. Not to mention what it might do to their perfect bodies. This is sick.

[@abeautifulcountry9353]

Spot on 🎯

[@gia42472]

Please! Learn to respect other's opinions. Wtf is wrong with America nowadays. You all are evolving backwards. You're not going to dictate anyone about what to do. Why do you expect all women to bear such a pain??? Not everyone has same pain tolerance. Raising a child and giving birth to child are two different things. If someone wants a surrogate then it doesn't mean they can't be good parent. You have that social stigma that women are supposed to give birth to the child and if she doesn't then she is no good mother playing around stereotypes that LGBTQ community can't be good parents. Stop this. Even people in India are acceptable of other's decision in their life and you all are called "progressed". Show some progressive behavior.

[@kaylab5844]

@@gia42472 we don't want to show "progressive behavior" according to your standards. Your attitude is precisely why the world is more f**ked up than ever before

[@abeautifulcountry9353]

@@gia42472 Wow you sound sooo defensive. Chill. Surrogacy, originally a wonderful thing for women who were literally unable to give birth through their own bodies, is now becoming rent a womb for some women too lazy or too vain to carry a baby themselves. If you call THAT progressive, you're mad.

[@gia42472]

@@abeautifulcountry9353 lazy??did you knock all ladies houses to know why they did surrogacy??? And if you did, did they all respond to you saying they were lazy to bear a child?? Come with statistics not assumptions. People nowadays have problem with everything. Progress is about accepting people's choices in THEIR life and not poking nose in THEIR life like you're doing rn. Like leave priyanka alone, it's her life. And you should be acceptable towards surrogacy not stereotype it. That's called progression.

[@candace7310]

The Pryanka Chopra case shows me that she does not have maternal instincts. Leaving out the magical feeling of pregnancy when you could have it on your own is unimaginable to me. I could not miss out that deep level of connectedness with my child, it would break my heart.

[@NormieNeko]

@@DT5913 There are celebrity mothers out there who were capable of losing the weight after 2, 3, and even 4 children! This is so with modeling mothers as well. That just tells me she doesn't know how to handle struggle. Her body is feminine, but it's not tight and fit like that of other comparable actresses, so I wouldn't consider it a valid reason.

[@gildamartinez4604]

I don't think its that serious lol. people should have control over their own lives

[@beanone2]

there are more risks after 35 so that might have played into it but still is a weird excuse of not being able to have sex to make a baby together... egg collection is super invasive so I don't understand why someone would choose that immediately vs just making time to have set with your husband... but I'm thinking there possibly more to the story than us being told 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@battfamily435]

Great point. Me neither. I would adopt.

[@nenenena09]

I think her and Nick Jonas are such a superficial couple. I get wanting to protect the privacy of the baby but she can always protect the identity by blurring out the face. Any time I see them out in public the baby is nowhere to be found. I found it odd that her child was born with complications and she was still out and about instead of at the hospital.

[@kaycivil1891]

I have had 4 pregnancies and 4 natural births.......no medicine at all. If I had to do it all over again I definitely would. I am thankful and grateful that I had no issues getting pregnant ever! My heart breaks for the rest of the parents that really want kids but struggle. Don't give up!!!

[@samantharitchie9148]

sorry but what does "no medicine at all" have to do with literally anything about this conversation?

[@67nextday]

@@samantharitchie9148 Pain Samantha,very big,very sharp pain at baby delivery day. You know,when you start to see a proper 'stars flying around you' because of pain? Or you feel that your heart is going to stop because of this pain?If you never experienced this,you dont know what a proper child delivery is 😁 Anyway,this lady says that after 4 natural and very painful child birth times,she would repeat it again herself with no surrogacy involved,even she could do it. I had 3 my girls with very difficult pregnancies and with no medicine to ease my pain on the child birth plus a lot of stitches for the first my child delivery. I had all my belly destroyed,but I never would accept surogacy for my child.No matter what you are going through you are a mother to care and protect. If you rejected this phase not because of medical reasons but your career, greed,figure or anything else ,what kind of mother you will be for any child?Surrogacy is very important and I really support those brave woman,but as a mum I couldn't do it. Again,if couple cant do it by themselves because of medical reasons or sex ( 2 males), this is very acceptable way of having child. Any other reasons to use surrogacy should be banned,I think. Children lives isnt a production you can buy from shop and todays law made it possible. Ivf a few embryos are not something I could choose in between. They are not dogs or cats to be liked or disliked,if they are healthy babies. If they stopped developing this is a different story,but healthy embryos must be implanted,not destroyed as they are HUMANS already. To donate eggs I wouldn't be able,because all the time I would be asking myself how my kids are doing? Are they healthy, happy,had they enough attention and love from their parents? From other hand,to choose egg or sperm donor freely is right thing to do. Mental abilities and how donor look like is 2 main reasons to choose right person as parent for your child,especially for a married couple. My quess two one race people,if they want to hide their inability to have biological children together,wouldn't be very happy with donor from another race. For exmp: chinese parents and donor is afro afroamerican? So,to choose donor,who looks like your partner is good thing. Like with all good initial intentions, because of law flaws things have been messed up in time: rich people have them properly corrected in their way.

[@aloe704]

*I don't wanna judge other people, but ADOPTION is literally the BEST option if it's affordable!*

[@ladydaisy9818]

Surrogacy makes me sad because the baby bonds with the person that is carrying them. They feel connected to them and their heartbeat, etc. With surrogacy the baby is taken instability from the one person they feel safe with and handed to strangers. That skin to skin connection is missed, as well as the immediate breastfeeding. It just makes me sad. I wish more people would just adopt if they are unable to have their own children

[@elenas8099]

I've heard of a few stories about surrogates giving birth during covid lockdowns and not being able to meet the biological parents to give them the child. Instead, they would take care of the baby as their own for months. I don't know how people do it. This must be emotionally crippling to carry a child, give birth, take care of the child and then give them away like an object. I also met one lady who was a surrogate for this baby girl. The biological parents changed their minds and didn't want the baby. The surrogate mother took them to court and won a lot of money. She also ended up keeping the baby girl as part of her family.

[@JB-zj4ws]

My neighbor is a surrogate and it doesn’t bother her one bit to give them away. I do not understand it at all. I would be devastated.

[@bensonthepuppy]

What a nightmare for the women to have gone through that. May God lift them up..

[@bvegannow1936]

They should adopt if they want kids. 100,000+us kids up for adoption, millions of starving orphans. Humans shouldnt be viewed as disposable objects for sale and decoration for personal gratification.

[@emeline02]

Exactly

[@tracieroberts6323]

Agree 👍.

[@sandmot]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

[@savebandit1017]

Yes!!! THIS. So many kids are just paychecks in the foster system, it's gross

[@Kwildcat13]

It’s cheaper to do the IVF , the adoption system is a joke , look around

[@maryjanedavis9033]

I completely understand the infertility standpoint. I’m not infertile myself but I know a few and it’s devastating to watch people want it so bad and be so deserving and it’s just not happening. I also understand testing the embryos dna. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of potential for chromosome abnormalities which would lead to miscarriage or something else. If it’s an embryo that’s incompatible with life, I wouldn’t use it unless I was ok with the fact that I’m just going to miscarry and have to do it again. It is expensive remember that. I don’t think it should be a luxury or for the sake of time or picking a gender or not wanting to mess up your body. That to me is just selfish. Pregnancy is the first act of selflessness a woman shows her baby. We give up our bodies physically and mentally for our babies to grow. That’s the first act of love they know from you. I think that’s important in forming the mother-child bond that we all know about