These games carry REAL security risks! BEWARE!

We recently talked about programs that you should never install... but what about when some of the most popular games of all time contain security risks?! Let's talk about it!
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[@blended7674]

2:15 GTA V online 4:28 Minecraft 5:49 CSGO / CS2 8:58 World of Warcraft 11:15 Battlefield 4 12:04 Fortnite 12:51 Diablo II Resurrected 13:05 Valorant 17:36 Surveys from the article

[@JokerDoom]

Just commenting to say the video is still worth watching. Yes these are the games, but the *why* is important as well.

[@peregrine1970]

You forgot the most important timestamp. 19:42

[@metallboy25]

Funny how i dont play any of them. Let alone mod. 😂

[@silfrido1768]

@@metallboy25I don’t blame you, everyone cheats anyway

[@AverageEstonian]

Helldivers 2 is missing from the list since it has malware/rootkit anticheat that breaks/bricks PCs as well

[@miguelfernandez2325]

So the title of this video should've been " These MODS carry Real security risk! Beware" LMAO

[@clownbaby7985]

I also had someone steal my origins account, I didn’t change my password until months later since they were just playing my games.

[@RyGuyRy]

@@clownbaby7985 using app authenticator and login verification if your friend here..

[@Kalolui94]

​​​@@clownbaby7985 I got dead space 3 free thanks to some Russian 😂 he left his save game there. Once I had access to thousands of origin accounts through a friend that sent me a txt documents 😅

[@Raven777777777777777]

@@clownbaby7985 Had that happen with facebook but since i wasnt using it for about 12 years i dont care about it, let that one guy in england enjoy it if its so important to him xD

[@dangerously72]

@@clownbaby7985 Same..Origin is a major Hacker target....i am starting to think it's Origin employees or their associates who are doing the crimes.

[@jaspervn4722]

as someone who has no friends to play multiplayer with, i see this as a win

[@MrZootalores]

me too! have you played Tomb Raider 1-2-3 remastered? just out. get it,you'll love how they made the original games so much better looking,easy to install & play.

[@KittyOfBorg]

Haha, yeah... Same

[@Grom84]

me too!

[@adamliz8172]

Same here that makes 4 of us... will you be my friends 😂

[@Rodger_Phillips]

same, the one who would, he died

[@NerdyNanaSimulations]

I hate to tell you but The Sims, Farming Simulator, Cities Skylines, Even American ETS2 Truck Simulator have all had breaches recently. No matter what game you need to make sure you are downloading mods from a reliable/trusted source. Look for sources that do not immediately list mods until they have been checked, or known popular modders on their actual site. Love that you covered this.

[@floriangrun3414]

I just wondered why Sims 4 isn't on this list. I don't know any other game, where people download so many mods and CC.

[@NerdyNanaSimulations]

@@floriangrun3414 LOL actually I have Sims 4 and I have more CC in Farming Simulator then that.

[@BoatyInBorderland]

So the security breach was more for the games with anti cheat. That's how they reached. Sims does not have anti cheat.

[@bwcbiz]

And even "Trusted sources" can be subject to supply-chain attacks.

[@BrianMcCorkle2001]

Basically Jay: "But fuck Norton..." I laughed so hard.

[@Cole_Zulkowski]

norton is not bad they actually do there job as im also using windows 11 pro for gaming

[@senator29]

Norton is a virus. Dealt with it in support for like 10 years and it breaks so much. Misses a lot of viruses too. You can find companies who test and compare anti-virus suites and post online

[@LatitudeSky]

He just did a video bashing Norton, MaCafee, etc. This isn't a new hatred.

[@garethwilliams6650]

I howled. Just the simple fact that J2C chose to leave it audible makes it 1000% better

[@rynominnie83]

@@garethwilliams6650 This was my first thought as well. The fact that I heard the actual "fuck" and didn't hear it being fart-beeped stood out for me and I had to listen again

[@ScaerieTale]

The Sims 4 players have actually been having problems with mods that contain malware due to the fact that scripting mods are basically just python files disguised as .ts4script files. Thankfully TwistedMexi, a well known and respected modder, made a great anti malware mod too combat this, but it just shows that no franchise is really "safe" if it has a big enough modding scene.

[@EwanMarshall]

The minecraft modding scene has had issues, but the other modders police them on the major repositories, curseforge and modrinth. This is something one has to consider though, do the repositories do any vetting (curseforge used to inspect every minecraft mod upload from new submitters for example). Now it is more an after the fact thing, but there are modders that have basically been banned from the community due to issues. Quite frankly a trojan is also a risk for downloading apps generally and rootkit anti-cheat and drm systems are quite frankly more worrying to me.

[@xDryZek]

Gmod has issues too with lua viruses that put out screamer jumpscares, gore jumpscares, sexual stuff and overall possible malwares... I dunno about fallout and skyrim, and cyberpunk but they seem safe so far

[@michaelmonstar4276]

It's probably because it went Free-to-Play and very likely exploded in player-count, making it an easy target. - I was considering finally jumping on that game for free, having played since the first, but never got beyond the demo of 3. But now I'm kinda glad I didn't. - That said, I was never big into modifications for these games and mostly played the official content, as I would have with 4 initially. Anyway, as said, it's probably exactly because it's big and also very populated that it got targeted. - And let's be real, The Sims has very high mainstream-appeal, so there will be so many more people who are very casual with computer-stuff and don't know that you can't just pull these files from anywhere, especially kids/teens. And like you said, it doesn't help that it's simple to do. Which brings to mind: I don't know if there is a mod-manager or anything for The Sims or if it's just a case of throwing loose files into a folder, but it would probably be a good thing to have something where mods get kind of curated and the like (other than reputable websites). - For example, Minecraft has Prism Launcher for example, which allows you to make entire profiles for modified instances of the game, AND you can even search for and download the mods through that manager, creating an extra layer of certainty that you're getting something that's known and from a known source. - Probably not 100% secure, but better than scouring websites (again, outside of the reputable ones). But yea, then try and get everyone on board and informed, cause I doubt most Minecraft-players outside of the biggest enthusiasts even know about Prism Launcher, even though Minecraft is also massive. But that's probably because it only spawned from a previous mod-manager a few years ago, of which... ironically, its developer (or one of) went nuts and became corrupt, practically destroying that entire project by breaking all trust. 💁

[@michaelmonstar4276]

@@EwanMarshall Yea, the stuff that officially comes with games worry me as well. - Like the anti-cheat stuff that needs to run at root level or whatever. I mean, tf man... I get that it needs to monitor what is going on, but you're really opening up a door there just to play a friggin' game. And it's not that I feel important enough to be targeted and I've a pretty secure setup and there's not much important on my system anyway. But I just don't need a chance to any bullshittery, or increase that chance because of a game anyway. Nah, I'll just play something else. And for mods, it's not too hard to just look and see if it's something well-known and if it's downloaded from a known source as well. - The thing is that they prey on people who don't check and will just click on "OMG GOD MODE?? HECK YEA!!" and just install it, then the next minute the Russian mob is at their door and they wonder why. heh... 🤷

[@EwanMarshall]

@@xDryZek those are not really viruses so much as an event programmed into the mod.

[@desmondlau4632]

I did get banned on wow once , I was a Guild master and they disbanded the guild , took everything (i was told) , took and mailed all the money away , cleared my friends list within 5 minutes. I was playing one minute , kicked out of server , never been able to log back in , and it got locked and banned . That was 2010 by the way. Took me jump hoops after hoops for 2 days and finally found a GM to prove that was in no way it was me (IP difference and apparently the login cycle helped) , everything got restored 3 days later , gold gear and guild remade , had to re-invite everyone, had to re-add everyone on frd list and ALOT of explaining to do because back then , getting hacked , others blame you. And lost a raid week. And no , I don't have a single mod , it was pure vanilla. These days tho .... good luck finding a human GM at Blizzard.

[@skunkey9923]

No mods during cataclysm?!? your guild must've SUCKED, or i'm calling BS

[@desmondlau4632]

@@skunkey9923 What ... I can't be raiding without mods ? sucked ? maybe , its not server first , it did enough to finish deathwing. But everyone back then finished deathwing so ... I don't see your point. I also have the bronze proto drake when the patch was current without mods so there's that. You are not the first to question this tho , most guild members did and I used to make fun of them when they say " oh i need to update DBM / healbot b4 raid".

[@josephoberlander]

My Blizzard story was the first time they got hacked (2012 IIRC). Suddenly the game didn't work, so here I am in chat on my other pc with Blizzard support and they change my password and as I'm talking to the person, it gets changed again while I am logged in and I get locked out. Then the tech gets locked out/can't change it - ie - they change it and it instantly changes again on their end seconds later, before the email even reaches me. And I have my authenticator turned on - a physical one. ;) They finally got it worked out after two days, but refused to admit that the only way that the password and account details could be changed in real-time without my logging in to do so was them being hacked/having access to their SQL logins and changing stuff on the server side. 4 months later the press quietly admitted that they had been hacked. So sometimes there is nothing you can do. Also, Blizzard sucks. It's why all of my Blizzard accounts are on still on console. I figure if they get root access to Sony's servers, online gaming is dead anyways... lol.

[@Lucas2RC]

I'd just like to add to the conversation that both Valorant and League of Legends, from Riot, have anticheats with kernel level. That's what I call dangerous...

[@ofmoosenmen]

Hate to break it to ya, most online multiplayer shooters have ring 0 access. So, basically, you should just not play online games amirite?

[@ReptilianLepton]

@@ofmoosenmen Spyware with a reacharound doesn't cease to be spyware.

[@bc454irocz89]

yeah valorant is straight malware lol

[@subthology]

Games with ring 0 Access can allow hackers to leverage the game as a attack vector to gain a foot hold into your system the legit game devs arnt out to get you unless you are hacking but there system isnt totally secure so the devs arnt protecting you only them selves while you paid them to give you a game with vulnerability its a bad deal but its your choice to be vulnerable ultimately. Its your security vs there $$$

[@RyanKarolak]

Yeah. That makes me uncomfortable. I've also had Vanguard break a Windows install, presumably because something happened with it and a Windows update.

[@bulletn3ctar]

Where's my single-player gang at? 👍

[@reviewyourownadventure2083]

yaaaas. F multiplayer.

[@CarlosXPhone]

Right here. 😀

[@Finnishguy777]

I hate mp games

[@thisemptyworm4677]

What about PvE multiplayer? Offline if it exists

[@brandongreene3213]

Shor's bones I miss single player TES.

[@hidde3454]

Black ops 3 legit allows remote shell execution while its still one of the most popular zombies games

[@randyb.9143]

that was patched months ago lol

[@AdolfHitler420]

@@randyb.9143 Still being exploited.

[@frankthedank381]

Use t7 patch :)

[@thefreakhouse]

@@randyb.9143it’s still bad though, that’s why zombies is now played on the BOIII client

[@yellowskrub]

Almost all of the old COD games on steam are super dangerous to play online, or just cannot be played at all.

[@Glare108]

Great video, Jay! I always appreciate your content when I watch!

[@FBI_42069]

a lot of this stuff listed can happen in any game if you add mods or other stuff like online like it's not just those games. i have heard that valorants anti cheat could be used as spyware because you have to have it running all the time even when you are not playing the game and if you close it you have to completely restart your PC to play the game, which is super sketchy knowing that the company that owns valo is a Chinese company which has been known for taking info and selling it. one reason i don't have that game installed on my PC.

[@carlosdasilva9325]

That's right. As soon as I had to restart my pc in order to even play the game I uninstalled it swiftly...

[@jacobserperior]

Hey Jay, Minecraft Dungeons is an entirely separate game developed by Mojang. It's official.

[@RoninLlamaSan]

THANKK UUU I was going to say....That's not a mod, its an official Mojang game! Please look into things like your asking us to, I know things can slip but i know you guys are better than that. Overall great VId and Great information guys!

[@corvusdiabolos3712]

Not to mention it was developed using Unreal.

[@theshaggydogg2867]

@@RoninLlamaSan this is a fairly low effort video sadly. just reading an article and commenting on it with pure conjecture.

[@shattered_helix]

@@theshaggydogg2867 I agree. There are things that Jay knows about, and there are things that he obviously knows little about. If all I had to go on was this video, I would say that video game modding is one of the things he knows very little about.

[@facenameple4604]

He also got Diablo 2: Ressurrected wrong, given that's the remake. Like... geez.

[@justuraveragegamer2670]

19:42 love how you left the f bomb in 😂😂😂

[@N0N0111]

Props for the new video's, this direction is cool and you clearly flow off it.

[@Frazzlenodazzle]

61 yo female here messing up your demographic. :) Ive been subscribed to you for going on 2 years. I build my computers and youve been a huge help. But ive also been playing WoW for 19 years and had my account stolen (before I had an authenticator) and Blizzard replaced all of my items. Ive had to contact Blizzard a couple of times for problems and theyve always done everything to make things right.

[@z0s_Icebaker]

I'm happy for you that you got some actual help and things got fixed.

[@sheldonbromen2603]

I lost wow twice too hacking and had an authenticator and blizzard refused to help after years of playing taking my money I was told to bad buy it a 3rd time I refuse to play their games anymore.

[@froggie2823]

My son had his account hacked twice. No authenticator..wiped my guild bank clean. Both times they replaced all his stuff and what was in my guild bank including gold.

[@wiliestrogue2924]

Blizzard has almost zero customer service at this point. They've screwed up WoW to the point it isn't even an MMO. They destroyed OW and outright cheated customers with OW2. I just feel sad for anyone that defends Blizzard as a company. Stop giving companies money that abuse you.

[@FlipforTruth]

Much respect from one builder to another, it's the only way to go.

[@thatzaliasguy]

You know what else carries actual, severe security risks? Kernel-level anti-cheat (rootkit) drivers that operate on Ring-0, giving unfettered administrative access to the kernel of your operating system. It's only a matter of time before these drivers get exploited, opening entire doors for full Remote Code Execution and Injection.

[@azenyr]

We should also blame Windows itself for even letting apps install rootkits in Ring-0 without any effort whatsoever. Developers just do this because Windows allows this to be done

[@TheAnonymousLemur]

​@@azenyrThey allow it to be done, but not without knowledge to the user. It's done because users let it happen, not windows.

[@starc.]

thats been used for over a decade in the biggest ever games be realistic if this was a big issue it would have been known by now

[@imtheparty12]

Yeah a lot of people don't realize that these anti-cheats have full, total, administrative access to your entire system. They can see all your hardware and read all API talks between your apps and drivers. Data privacy is still perfectly vulnerable on Ring-3, but I don't like the idea of an anti-cheat having admin injected into my kernel, especially given that it's got internet access while running on Ring-0. Just asking to get compromised. Any bugs they didn't catch can potentially wreck your system and lead to needing to clean install. Street Fighter V's anti-cheat disabled a CPU security feature that allowed the game itself to get kernel access, and it's an online game where a malicious actor in a match is now given a pinhole to your kernel. It was patched, but the fact that this can happen is alarming.

[@BuzzKiller23]

PREACH!

[@AndromedatheBasshead]

I often use those Visa gift cards one can purchase at a grocery store or something. They work like a regular debit or credit card, and it saves you from linking your real money to anything.

[@Aevilbeast]

They are super useful for stuff like that, you never need to worry about over-charging fee's or anything like that, just deposit the money you want to spend, and if someone shady happens and your CC info is stolen, they ain't getting nothin'. You can report your card stolen and they'll send you a new card, and IIRC they have a insurance policy/idenitity theft protection for under a certain amount (I think it's up to $500, I maybe wrong on that limit and it might change depending on which pre-paid debit card you get,) and while it might take a while in certain cases, they will actually replace any stolen money. My friend says they are also really useful to sign up to "free trials" where they need a valid CC so once the free trial offer expires so they charge you. That way if you forget about canceling in time, and they charge you, as long as you keep that account with nothing, they aren't going to get anything. (As long as you don't have anything in it in the first place!) (Some places makes so you need pay in full for the first month after the free trial, but if you cancel during the trial you get a full refund) Also I HIGHLY recommend Privacy com as it's lefit super ussful in keeping you safe while you shop on the intertnet, with it generates a new & unique CC every single time you buy something on line, that way no one can steal your info and plus if helps you keep track of everything you are getting charged for, and it'll even cancel subscriptions for you.

[@geehammer1511]

Works fine till you try to buy a game that has a refund policy then you can't purchase the game due to the card being used not allowing funds to be put onto it.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

literally just use a credit card or paypal why are you paying gift card fees

[@marv4787]

I gave up on the Call of Duty series long ago. Not so much for the threat of malware, but for the hacking. They ditched Punkbuster and added their own anti-cheat software that seemed to do absolutely nothing. Almost every version of CoD after that, that I played, was ruled by hackers. I had enough and walked away from the game that I used to love to play. I hope that their anti-cheat has now improved.

[@JonathanC4215]

Hey jay just saying hi man I watched you from the start of your channel, you helped so much in my pc addiction lol. Well I haven’t been real active watching in the last few years, but my last build still in use is rocking a 2080ti and an delidded 7700k that how long it’s been. Happy to see your doing well I can’t wait to watch your videos again. God bless brother

[@tomsawyer19890]

So, all of these aren't the games that are risks, but actions taken outside of them. Utilizing account security, vetting sources... just like any other computer related concern in regards to security. Would have been nice to have actual games that fundamentally carried risks.

[@LotoTheHero]

Agreed!

[@44R0Ndin]

You mean like Black Ops 3 that has the remote shell execution exploit in it?

[@elvendragonhammer5433]

I know of 2- I'm sure there are plenty more that ppl just haven't taken the time to notice or vet yet. 1) Crypto Currency Simulator ($25.00 USD), not only did it mine using your GPU in the background, but it had keyloggers & other stuff to try to steal any avail logins you had. 2) Instruction (*FREE)- unlike most, I actually read the Eula/ToS. What was unusual is it had a whole clause about how they are supposedly protected by their ToS if their software has viruses, keyloggers, worms, or trojans in it. (That wouldn't actually hold up in court though) So I vetted that one myself. Virus total found 1 keylogger & 3 different trojans. I reported both games , but haven't checked up on them to see if they are still on the store or not. There was also a huge purge by Valve recently for (500+) games that had changed their names/studio names multiple times claiming to be a newer game (HellDivers was one that they did this with) where they made it look like they were the real page, & only after you purchased & ran the game did you find out you got screwed & were given a free or $5 game instead of the one it looked like. They had found a way to push their listing to the top of the actual list above the real game in question kind of like how games put every god dammed tag possible for their game, which completely breaks sorting by genre or using steam's dynamic game categories.

[@spellcrafter23]

The problem with this is I've never seen a game where you can play without running as administrator. Every time you launch the game, you're granting admin access to the process.

[@JaggedCanine07]

You mean like the games that are listed in this video? They carry risks with the install, even Helldivers 2 carries a risk with the absolute bottom of the barrel anti-cheat they decided to use.

[@cuzicouldyay]

Ooh la la, lack of censor at the end there. Made me smile though. The right mindset to have toward Norton.

[@vedotin]

This happened like 15 years ago, but I was in an online game where the main focus was to just chat with people. You had avatars and a world to explore, but not really do much else than maybe role play in. I met someone that I chatted with, they wanted to know my microsoft live email, so we could continue chatting on live messenger. At that point, I had learned to be skeptic of giving my email address out to just anyone who asks, but I really wanted to keep chatting with that person. I literally went and created a new email account, just for the purpose of having one to give to strangers. Well, the person never reached out on live messenger, and to this day I thought nothing of it. Now, after watching this video, I believe they were just phishing for emails.

[@unitedhybrid187]

Best mods I've played: Half Life where you can be Superman, Batman, a mailbox, etc. It was silly. Unreal Tournament where you're mini characters and play in a bathroom, with a working toilet.

[@CyberDragon10K]

Chaos Unreal Tournament for 1999 GotY edition was _excellent._ The grappling hook and bastard sword were fun.

[@unitedhybrid187]

@@CyberDragon10K I remember that.

[@themightymutt5213]

@@CyberDragon10K Oooh I spent SO many hours on that! And RTCW had some good modded MP gameplay as well

[@AnEternalEnigma]

I remember when Halo 3 was new in 2007. Recon armor was a huge, exclusive thing and you could only get it if someone from Bungie put it on your account. There were so many Xbox Live accounts getting hacked because people would pretend to be Bungie employees asking for people's email/password so they could "give you Recon". This was my first big exposure to this.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

games that carry real world computer viruses dun dun DUN.....

[@scottofcanes]

... really? People fell for that? Over some stupid cosmetic thing? It's a different game/genere, but even when I was like 10 and got introduced to Runescape (Santa Hats cost 1m at the time, I believe), I noticed that "armor trimming" was a scam almost instantly.

[@DxBang3D]

35-44?? Damn, I am older than your 40%

[@steve228i]

Me too!

[@dannyadams5250]

Way older🤬

[@anthonybaleur9296]

and i am going to have 30 , i'm not even in the subscriber stats

[@RevenantxSaint]

Lol here i am in the opposite spectrum. I am only just 20 yrs old lol.

[@peregrine1970]

Ditto... 54.... and 1 day here.

[@fonzys7502]

great video thx again Jay!

[@jonahmatteson]

I am surprised Roblox is not on that list.

[@tet5uo]

Blizzard actually did get accounts back if you were phished. Happened to me back in 2009 and customer support had me back in my character in a day. They also mailed me all the gear that had been deleted/sold by the goldsellers who nicked me. I thin their customer support is nothing like it was back then, however. Not sure I'd have that luck today.

[@youbetterwakeup2449]

Same happened to me, because my e-mail was hacked. Hotmail was hot garbage.

[@kage_231]

same here back in original wrath. my pc broke and i didnt play for a few months and my account got hacked and used as a bot to farm ore eventually it got banned and i got it back and they did the same mailed me back all the gear that got sold

[@sirdude8608]

Blizzard still recovers accounts but has (AFAIK) limited it to once per life of account now. If it happens again, then you're generally SOL.

[@Ms_Cheesecake]

My ex's account got hacked thanks to that big Yahoo email hack years ago, and Blizzard refused to give him his account back, even with driver's license and everything. :(

[@AKE_e]

Diablo II - Resurrected is very relevant because that's the new remake of DII. There's a huge market for that game over at D2JSP where people will buy gold and items using Forum Gold that you can get by buying it with real money. I would imagine that is why Resurrected is on that list because they can wipe your account clean for real money profit. Not only that, D2 does have mods for it that is meant to rebalance things or add new features to the game to expand the experience.

[@thatoneguyffs]

Reasons i don't mess with jsp or mods.

[@pghbreinig44]

Not even D2JSP but you have bot stores like D2legit and D2store that people will constantly spam in channels and games for bot'd items. Those sites are extremely sketchy and also you could possibly get banned for corrupt items(This at least used to be a problem back when duping was possible but not sure how relevant this is anymore.)

[@zoeyundergroundcanada]

I hope u been doing good overall Helth stuff glade still doing videos

[@Alice_Fumo]

I would generally recommend having a firewall with a filter for malware, phishing, ads, etc. Protects all of your (and your kids) devices equally. If you set up a VPN to your home network, it would also protect your devices while you're not browsing from within your home network - like with phones and stuff. It's likely not very effective against malware in mods, though.

[@littleaw2011]

Gta online has had issues even without mods. IP leaks and such.

[@thatguyjp2047]

Gta online on pc is a death trap. Console version is safe

[@WhiteDieselShed]

@@thatguyjp2047 LOL you keep thinking that. It's like Linux users saying there are no viruses....

[@Demonetized]

Theres no IP leaking, it's a P2P server, Same for Minecraft aswell.

[@ThaEurasian]

You mean Wheelie Stealie Automobiley 5?

[@ghoulinNfoolin]

Same with rdr. Rockstar just don't care.

[@J.King39]

Hope you're feeling well Jay. Thanks for another dope vid.

[@temperedglass1130]

You have a crush on him hehehhe

[@philipmrch8326]

@@temperedglass1130 We all do.

[@J.King39]

@@temperedglass1130 its weird that you dont

[@KeepIt1HuniTT]

Jay has been going hard in the paint lately. Hats off to you man. Great vid.

[@MarshallRawR]

There was a big malware issue with a couple of GTA V mods a few years ago, and sadly I got caught in the wind of it. With the community, we quickly went ahead and figured out what the malware was doing (stealing data) and where, contacted the hosting company, and we got the dude's server shutdown and stolen data removed. Of course, could have had backups, but it killed the malware's connection. Also helped people on how to remove it. Community just helped one-another.

[@brandonbonet6140]

There was a time, my wife's warcraft account was hacked. At the Time ahe co-lead a guild with me and we amazingly got into the account before it was banned. A GM ticket was issued amd we got 90% of everything that was taken. The gold she had and the gold or the guild bank gold was the only thing we could not get back

[@celuiquipeut6527]

Man that hurt! We had a guild wil millions get stolen back in BC. Good ol days! :)

[@ndk2k4]

WoW is has an additional interesting security hole where one addon that you more or less need to use to play endgame content called WeakAuras has an option to import code strings into your game to load other people's created auras... the custom code strings often have so much extra added to them that its crazy how many people just blindly import them. I've ran into scripts that attempt to send your private data to random burner emails for example.

[@spart0n654]

I remember back in 2011 or 2012 I signed up for wow on a trial and never paid for it, but I never deleted the account in case I ever wanted to actually play it. Anyways in 2019 right around when COVID started I got an email from blizzard that my account was banned for violating their TOS. Just out of curiosity I emailed their support and asked what happened. I was told that the account was involved in some kind of sale. I never logged in, never got any emails except the account ban email.

[@tynomite]

3:53 the game was CSGO, but it wasn’t CSGO itself, it was the 3rd party platform ESEA, which was attractive at the time for competitive players because of the anti-cheat.

[@GaNjiie]

When i was like 17yrs old my WoW Account got stolen (i guess via email phishing). Wrath of the Lich King was the Expansion. When I logged in my Character was under the Map, they used my Account to flyhack under the map and farm ores. Told Blizzard about it and got everything back.

[@notaninconspicuoususername6065]

Earlier this year my Blizzard acc got perma-banned from WoW. Which I have never played in my life. I hadn't used the account in about a decade (was a surprising email to get for sure). Did everything I could, talked to support, etc etc. Would not honor my request to just delete my account entirely. And get this: it was because I couldn't name any of my WoW characters! So I just fudged all the personal info in the account. Blizzard is trash.

[@aprilgeneric8027]

@@notaninconspicuoususername6065 why are you giving out real personal info? do you believe police's job is to actually protect and serve....because that decepticon sticker has been there since the 1980's and the supreme court has ruled time ad again they have no duty to those ends...putting your real ID info on the internet is your go to jail free monopoly deck of cards of nothing but go to jail free. i'm just floored any one uses their real ID outside of apple users

[@dianaalyssa8726]

I've had an experience(s) similar to Jay, they were just playing the game oddly enough, current expansion at that time, possibly running mission tables even had a few hundred more gold, XD. Literally they were chilling in Ardenweald doing casual stuff. I changed the password though. Sometimes I wonder if it was an old friend I used to have over that got in. I've found things on my menu bar that made 0 sense and a couple of misequipped rogue and mage characters. That person used to play on his ex-girlfriends account also, just always suspected it was them since nothing was stolen, all the alts were still clothed. Think RMT takeovers are the most common bans tbh though.

[@TheBloopers30]

@@notaninconspicuoususername6065 Support in general is not the same anymore. Jagex has the same problem but worse I'd say because it's almost impossible to get in contact with their support in the first place. Have had some good experience with Valve and surprisingly enough, EA. Though it's hard to know how much luck I had by my side.

[@myztklk3v]

The matrix mod you are referring to was called The Specialist (the half life 1 version) and then the source version was called Double Action: Boogaloo. The specialist was better IMO.

[@G0rgar]

I played the shit out of The Specialists back in the day, always wanted a source version. Never knew it actually happened.

[@CootBusiness]

Such a gem of a mod, me and my friends had such fierce competition in skill with the Kung Fu fighting

[@iHANSUNG]

The Specialists was amazing

[@andrewlaidlaw7975]

With accounts getting banned that's the reason why I gave up playing multiplayer in Diablo 2 due to the amount of spam bots promoting whatever site where you could supposedly buy in game gold.

[@ericb3157]

reminds me of a couple of MMOs i played for a while and quit, partly because of those spambots. one version of Aion, and Dragon Nest. it was truly horrifying how BLATANT they were. one bot was literally standing in a doorway RIGHT next to the main entrance of the capital city of Aion, you couldn't help but bump into it!

[@redbunnyclassic]

Great video!

[@GMDGeek]

How about a video discussing the dangers of Anti-Cheat and how intrusive it can be typically being kernel based with full access to your entire system, often reading more than it should. Just because it can doesn't mean it should be allowed to. "with great power comes great responsibility" Could even do a video on how Game Studios/Publishers fail to protect their own data little alone the consumer data (look up the number of breaches the past 2 years alone SONY leading the way). What rights do gamers (consumers) actually have - hint - NONE.

[@henrybobswillikers]

great one bro.

[@user-dz5yn2ry7c]

its intrusive to make sure everything looks good, yk, to do its only purpose? make sure your not cheating?

[@iamaduckquack]

Found the cheater.

[@GMDGeek]

@@user-dz5yn2ry7c yes and no. A game should only look within its sandbox as well as running services that can determine if other applications are running that may be used for cheating. There is no need for them to run a full breakdown of someone system including their browsers where many access things like their bank accounts. There are several documented cases where CyberSecurity students or sepakers/instructors that travel and have single systems getting banned simply because they use their computer for more than just a game. Food for thought.

[@wyatt8770]

yeah I agree, its probably the most pervasive potential attack surface deployed today. IMO its only a matter of time until something terrible comes of it

[@thefeaj]

so basicly the title of the video should be, mods can contain malware. but the games themselfs not. the games are harmless, the mods you install are bad

[@AlphaMachina]

No. I've been modding for more than a decade and haven't even once gotten a virus or malware from mods. This isn't an issue of modding, but one of stupidity.

[@marioStortuga]

@@AlphaMachina Beat me too it. I've made Mods for several years and I have to agree with you

[@44R0Ndin]

Black Ops 3. Known and not patched remote shell execution exploit in it. No mods.

[@silversolver7809]

I've been very lucky then, using mods for ~30 years without a problem. Or you're wrong, also possible.

[@amp2193]

"it didn't happen to me so it's not a thing" - This chat 😂

[@bung0o]

I’d like to add, that about 60% of call of duty titles pre warzone are a minefield. Specifically, I had tried call of duty WWII on pc having never played it, and one week later I’m in a lobby & someone in the game chat leaked everyone’s IP address. Without separate launchers, you run a risk of getting your IP leaked or having someone in said lobby gain remote access to your pc

[@yazzze]

In d2 and now d2r, no items that drop are bound to your charakter that is common in many mmorpgs now. This makes for lots of fun trading, but is also great for bots since they can sell everything. Some stuff is also extremly rare that items in both the original and remake has been sold for 1000$+ on ebay and other sites.

[@munchiesNcrunchies]

damn Jay, you took me back to what killed killed my childhood. I got a Ventrilo message from one of our neighborhood guild members asking why I was spamming the chat. I just bought Burning Crusade and was lvl 64 when my acct was banned after just seeing it transition from my sad naked character to the ban notice screen. Tried fighting it, but it fell on deaf ears.

[@Ryotsu2112]

Hopefully you never went back to that trash game. Blizzard lost their moral compass over a decade ago, and started some of the worst practices in gaming (like the gold token…”Don’t pay to win from Chinese gold sellers, pay to win from US!”).

[@munchiesNcrunchies]

@@Ryotsu2112 damn that's wild, and no I've stayed away from WOW ever since, also i thought there vanilla WOW was just a trash way to say we have completely shitted on our own game but you can pay to try again.

[@AdamKiraly_3d]

I had my origin account hacked 4 times, same thing happened they just sold my account to some rando russians who just played my games. Not once did they have access to my email account, I had 2fA on that forever. I don't understand how EA's security was so bad

[@login0false]

The stolen accounts market is huge here in russia, especially after the war started. You get bombarded with sponsored ads for account and key marketplaces and hardly anyone says a word on how it's against ToS and morally dubious. It's unsafe in the sense the purchased account could get recovered anytime (though some sellers promise to provide you with a different account with the advertised game(s) if you lose access to "yours", showing just how big the whole thing is), but it's cheap enough to be treated like a lottery or rental. Also I heard arguments that it's fine bc it's on the account's owner if it was stolen and ther are not losing anything anyway as long as they can contact support once they find out, like in Jayz's case (not that I necessarily agree). And the war also created great demand for region lock circumvention (fuck big publishers for that, and fuck pootin too), with account shenanigans being one of the primary methods.

[@GTArajgaming]

with GTA V mods extend to single player as well, there's a huge part of the playerbase that simply play singleplayer for mods. the guy who made QuantV actually had code that could and would wipe drives, modders like julioNIB also hide DRM in his mods (which the virus worry gets worse when people crack the mod, you dunno what else they're doing to it)

[@samrec]

I gave up on Norton decades ago. Hope your health issue is getting better and under control. cheers to the whole crew.

[@TatsuChi]

With how needlessly resource heavy and fully of its own security holes it is, i think Norton gave up on Norton decades ago....

[@Jinny-Wa]

When you start using sections. Would be easier to navigate the list

[@fastamx069box8]

Great job Jay

[@GameUpOG]

Ove been using privacy for years. It's an amazing help. Especially if you forget to cancel subscription or only want a trial and bot get charged for the whole month

[@solhays]

I had the exact same thing happen to my Origin account as you did. I ended up getting his email, sending him emails in Russian and I got the most Russian answer you could imagine. Mind you I have several Russian friends many I've known for 15+ years. But the dude basically said, "why not steal from you, obviously you can afford it since you bought the game" I was broke as heck, it was a dang gift! haha

[@_Uh_Oh_]

Same, I got a free game on Origin (can't remember which) and mine got hacked by a Russian too. I never even bothered to try getting it back

[@DavidFranklin-mw2zf]

FYI I am 63. First home console was Pong in 1976.

[@Jera07]

Same here, but I'm 62.❤

[@jeffjohnson8407]

Was yours yellow? mine was

[@johndavies5985]

Same here. B 1961. I vividly remember loading up Quake from a demo disk on PC Zone mag. I was blown away.

[@BAF-ch4ts]

My first game console was a Fairchild. I am 54

[@DrJimmyBob]

This is awesome. My first two were my mother's family consoles, an N64 and SNES. I'm mid-twenties now

[@ivanjakanov]

counter-strike and similar games had a vulnerability involving the popup when you first connect to a server, because it automatically loads whatever website it's pointing at and probably runs js or whatever is on the site, just like a browser

[@ReptilezDzn]

one of the few cases that mods are more secure than original was the older cods having third party clients, mw2 and up on steam were NOT safe at all and you risked being RCE while playing on the og game servers meanwhile Plutonium client fixed that + added custom weapons and servers that could use mods and they also had their own AC that was working better than most AC right now, i think i read not that long ago that coddevs are going to fix that(might already be fixed) the RCE exploit have existed for many years back.. just imagine how many did get affected.

[@xchronox0]

The user is the biggest security risk.

[@leebojangles947]

This is why I am terrified of anything but just downloading the game. I know I am going go mess up one day and screw my self lol.

[@Ram2rol]

I think the Mod you talking about is "The Specialists" for Half-Life

[@namelesswanderer9315]

Yes, mods can compromise your computer, especially .dll mods or mods that use injection bypassers. This is also true for most of those programs - trainers, memory editors, hex editors. Any of them can do very bad things and sneak very bad things through the backdoor.

[@WeaselMon97]

11:53 I literally had the same experience with origins launcher I had some random guy hack into my account and play multiple seasons of apex legends, until I once wanted to play apex after a huuuuuuge break and realised, what happend.

[@fragalot]

The thing about GTA V being risky are the MODDERS (hackers really) who can see everyone's IP address, screw with you, mess around or delete money and inventory.. etc. because rockstar does not use dedicated servers for GTA online. This should NOT be confused with mods that modify single player game, or the roleplaying servers that use modified DEDICATED servers and clients that are played online by streamers, like FiveM.

[@senator29]

This happened to me. If you log off quickly the edits won't stick

[@LoFiAxolotl]

Yes that's exactly the same thing... the mod itself doesn't matter if multiplayer or singleplayer can contain anything that the modder wants.... doesn't matter if your favorite parasocial boyfriend plays on a server or not

[@TheNiteNinja19]

Yeah like I've had game instability that was caused by modders, somehow getting into my computer's memory, and the only way to get the game to run good again, was to restart the computer.

[@JayJay-ro3px]

I'm a newbie in GTA V online and haven't DL any mods. I usually see online it's dangerous and easy to get ban because of hacker, this makes me afraid of playing online. Does this happen too if I don't play GTA V Online with mods?

[@skarf1428]

I got banned from GTA Online after modders ran around giving players lots of money and experience. Boycotted Rockstar since, and will continue to do so, because they didn’t let me explain what happened. I was told that a ban would never get lifted.

[@ShadyTheDragon]

remember when the ESEA csgo client would mine bit coin on peoples computers? dude made like 2mil worth of bitcoin from it

[@celuiquipeut6527]

I wish i kneww how bitcoin worked. Everyine lile to keep it secret. Guess ill never make money.

[@skeeb5317]

Then he said it was an "April fools" joke that a glitch accidently made it go into a patch. Haha got eeemm

[@hv4329]

Tldr : bitcoin is digital money. When you perform a transaction it's not calculated on some bank server, it is calculated by people who are "mining bitcoin". These people are then rewarded by the creator of bitcoin with a certain amount of bitcoin for contributing. You mine bitcoin by running a program that uses your graphics card to do algorithms and stuff.

[@KingDarkOne1996]

He should have made it use 1% of the pcs power. No one would have ever known. Ow well. Thoughts for the next person to try

[@originaldarkwater]

The vast majority of World of Warcraft mods are written in Lua and only run entirely sandboxed within WoW's engine, so there's no way that anyone can access the rest of your computer or your account information or whatever from in there. The ones you have to watch out for are the ones that want you to install and run an executable outside of the normal addon install (Curse won't do this automatically, either). So you really only have to worry if the addon is asking you to do something more than just click on the CurseForge item to install it.

[@hyperox7601]

About that Matrix mod, there is a source mod called Double Action: Boogaloo where you can slow down time and do dives of all sorts.

[@Number5_SCP]

Maybe Jay gets in to it more later in the video, but 99% of mods are completely safe and the only danger is your game crashing due to compatibility issues

[@brandonokeeffe1193]

And the 1% of mods that aren't safe is how people get malware, which is why multiple times he put at the bottom of the screen to vet your mod sources

[@dockeydidit]

I went to an Intel seminar and they were giving away free Norton and no one would take it.

[@BigHeadClan]

For good reason it’s pretty trash and modern windows defender is actually pretty solid

[@johnnyb0001]

​@@BigHeadClanincorrect, windows defender gets bypassed by latest malware

[@MrEliaaaan]

@@johnnyb0001 care to share the source of this knowledge? I'm asking very seriously

[@uniqueprogressive9908]

@@MrEliaaaan Your typical antivirus usually has 3 common methods of scanning files. They can be all bypassed, which means their is no perfect antivirus that exist. The best antivirus is carefully placing your trust. Only download software from known vendors and make sure it has a good reputation. If you are still worried then just download open source software... Here are 3 methods. 1. Scanning the executable hex data for traces that are found in known malware, some malware vendors get around this by encoding the hex data and adding a embedded translation layer which is known as obfuscation. 2. Identifying malware by comparing the md5 values of downloaded files to check if theirs a match in their database of malware definitions. This can be bypassed by replicating itself with a flipped bit 3. Heuristic analysis. Where your computer uses AI to check if the executable running in a closed sandboxed environment is engaging malware-like behavior. Such as session-stealing or using using known exploits to run code without administrative privileges. This can be bypassed by adding the ability to check for a sandboxed environment and refusing to run

[@MichaelArlt]

​​​@@MrEliaaaanif people dont post sources, it's most probably false information or main character syndrome. And on the other hand, as if Norton would dominate in regards of malware bypassing protection over defender in any way. He just makes himself look totally stupid 🤣

[@mattgibbia2692]

8:15 mail theft is an odd one to me. The potential reward is so low for what getting caught and charged would get you. The post office does not f around

[@kostihouse]

You were talking about the Specialist, a great half life mod, not a counterstrike mod. Maybe it had a source version, but i certainly played a lot of the half life 1 version.

[@elliottsw]

I had a Russian steal my Origin account to play BF4 as well! He did quite well, and even purchased a couple of games on my account. They're mine now :D

[@flanfrfx]

what a nice fella

[@YOEL_44]

2:15 First thing you say, first thing you miss: GTA V on PC doesn't have a separate exe for its Online mode, in fact, there is many speedrunners that have had their runs ruined by modders injecting code into their single player campaign. There has been in fact a couple of mods with malware, but for the most part, the issue is specifically, the fact that you singleplayer campaign is still working with fully online features, and that a modder doesn't really need much info to infiltrate into it.

[@walrider]

Your useful and informative comment is probably gonna get drowned out by the rest and ignored unfortunately.

[@YOEL_44]

@@walrider Yeah well... this video was incredibly uninformative, I bet he didn't even read the article cause he got everything wrong, and not just with GTA

[@DraconicDon]

I think the matrix mod you were describing may have been "The Specialists", a mod for half-life 1. It has a sort of spiritual successor in "Double Action: Boogaloo" which is a free standalone game on steam.

[@TheRedThirst]

I remember Source Mods, one of my favourite matrix ones was the akimbo guns and the freeway map, you had to jump from truck to truck while fighting eachother

[@HartenDylan]

Tried to have this exact conversation with one of my friends about how there's always a chance of getting a virus when downloading mods, and basically got told I was trying to fear-monger. Appreciate the sanity check!

[@MegabyteRedSector]

this is exactly why any mods I use, I not only make sure of the source, but I then "age" first (let it sit a while on my hard drive before scanning and installing so that it doesnt have a chance to be the latest thing).

[@AnubisXYZ]

Security Rick is the guardian of the Citadel of Ricks. He attacc but he also defend :D

[@officermofiz4600]

Great video. Btw, you should look into Valorant more as Riot (which is owned by Tencent) forces you to use a rootkit anti cheat that suspiciously stays connected (and sends encrypted data) to various servers even if you're not playing the game. There are videos about it, it's pretty scary.

[@AnonYmous-bc5xk]

10:00 All the instances, where my friends and guildies have had this happen, Blizzard reinstated their WoW accounts without any issue. The only thing they don't give back is lost currency, valuable items, etc.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

I would personally call malware games which have their own launchers and require you to create an account in order to access the game your already paid for. Especially considering those launchers push ads and who knows what else they do in the background while you game.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

then you don't know what malware means... it's kind of in the name though...

[@Shat_Tastic]

everquest in 1999 was the start, the devs didnt even know until 1 year later LOL

[@jess2690]

Really enjoy the videos on PC security

[@p00ner]

This goes goes along with a question I have for you Jay. My 9 year old son has a couple consoles but wants to play on a pc after he’s seen me play on mine. I’ve thought about building him one for his birthday but my reservations are with his exposure to the world through the pc. With his Xbox account I’m able to monitor his time and what games he can play with the microsoft parental app thing. So I’m sure I can do the same thing with that and a windows based pc for him. What types of limitations do you have for your kids with pc gaming as far as time to play, what they can play, etc?

[@sheratedis]

Nexus mods have a very good community. I call this site 90% safe.

[@maxzett]

Nexusmods has become a shitshow. Annoying Navigation, unintuitive UI, pay wall features. Sadly still one of the best sites due to age and amount of mods. But I hate the site a lot

[@Zerinth]

the same nexusmods that has been hacked on numerous occasions? 🤣

[@upsidedownmachiatto2670]

Only ever used nexus once and recent. That damned dogma quest was such a pain.

[@WutipongWongsakuldej]

Site might be safe, mods in the other hand ..... safe probably.

[@HyperionZero]

Nexus literally removed a mod from Spiderman that removed woke flags. That's a good community, to censor mods?

[@karbonMAYne]

The Specialists is the half-life mod that you were thinking about. My friends and I were just talking about how insane that mod was.

[@KoolaidInMyCup]

The memories those were the days

[@xXTECHxKNIGHTXx]

I experienced getting my account stolen and Blizzard did return my account years ago, it was pretty much stripped but at least they didn't get all my gear. Changed to a much more secure password and an authenticator.

[@ryanpiggs6566]

Conqueror's Blade mined in the background as you played the game.

[@ryleybulmer6282]

Haven't watched the full vid yet, but if it isn't there, FPS games like Apex and CoD should absolutely be included here. At the most recent Apex event a handful of players literally got hacked mid-match and had cheats remotely added to their PC's. Personally, there's nothing scarier than the idea that playing a game could open my PC up to a remote access hack.

[@sike3000]

Wasn't the game a fault. The hacker specifically targeted the two players and compromised their PC. check out pirate softwares coverage on it.

[@Chalepastel]

remember the old adage: on the internet... nobody knows you're a dog

[@THE-MAD-TECHIE]

Years ago in the Era of cds I remember MS released a utility disk that contained viruses, in the mid 2000s (around 2004-07 if memory serves)an article I read claimed Lenovo laptops shipped with malware installed.

[@martinenglish6641]

Good video!

[@shattered_helix]

This is an EXTREMELY misleading title. None of these games carry an inherrant security risk, real or imagined. The security risk is in the mods, and if you're getting your mods from a reputable place, it's still a non-issue. I've been modding games for over 30 years, and not once, in THIRTY YEARS have I ever gotten a virus, malware, worm, keylogger, or anything that I didn't expect from a mod, because I actually pay attention to what I'm downloading and where I download it from.

[@acuilnos]

Agreed, on Jay's video about programs you should never install he was also enforcing the age old preconception of piracy = virus yet admitted that he never pirates programs so he doesn't actually have any idea on how common it is. Obviously there is an inherent risk, but as long as you do your due diligence and don't download from sketchy websites you will never get to the point where you have malware running on your system, especially when you consider most browsers these days will automatically flag suspicious files.

[@eracer1111]

@@acuilnos All true. But one of his main points was that kids are playing these games, and kids don't always have experience with or the understanding of the risks of purchasing mods. Like so much else today, parents need to monitor and protect their kids' online activities.

[@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566]

Not true. GTA Online for the pc exposes a lot of information that people can use to find out private information.

[@splurpy_]

except cs2... there are some pretty rough security exploits in cs2.

[@Steinhagen75]

The words "Carry" and "Risk" were chosen for a reason, lol. If they had said "These games ARE a security risk" then you would be correct, however they didn't and the only thing you proved here was that you don't fully understand the wording of the title. Something carrying a risk is a whole lot different than something being the risk. Mods are frequently part of the experience, hence the carried risk. It's possible that English isn't your first language, so I figured the difference was worth explaining.

[@mikehenkelman2111]

Keep your PC patched, Defender on, firewall on. Scan frequently. If anything modifies those settings, trash the app

[@chillhour6155]

No, Defender itself uses telemetry to constantly syphon you're personal data while putting strain on you're CPU

[@LatitudeSky]

Fortnite and Last Ark both conflicted with my antivirus. Only regret is not finding out until after downloading the games. Deleted them and never looked back.

[@mikehenkelman2111]

@@chillhour6155 Ive literally never observed that, and Im a Sr Security Engineer for 25 years. Not saying windows 11 doesnt have annoying stuff that does that and needs to be disabled, but its not in Defender. Unless we are talking about signature recognition for malware.

[@nnm_kco]

Just a heads up about GTA V, specifically Online mode, the vunerability on the game happened to be the online peer 2 peer nature that kinda expose player with the various possible attack (mostlikely ddos and doxxing). And the worst thing is that modders of the game literally have all the information to people in the same lobby while there is lack of encription at all. There are various video explaining the security issue about GTA V Online in youtube so just look at it for more details.

[@saigyl9149]

there was one expansion of WoW where the login screen would consume 100% of your processing power, i had mentioned it a few times during that expansion but everyone acted like i either had a trash computer or i was being stupid, but there was no excuse for that login prompt to utilize that much power

[@travisvaughn101]

Just unplug everything, move into a bunker 100ft below the surface with your doomsday starter kit and live the rest of your days as a peaceful underground farmer

[@Trocify225]

This is the way

[@LoFiAxolotl]

you clearly haven't seen Fallout yet

[@BigHeadClan]

The game that was doing mining in the background was CS:GO but specifically the ESEA*** client that was years and years ago now. They’ve now settled for a kernel level anti cheat… which is actually worse from a security perspective. lol

[@beige6620]

The mining-specific issue was with ESEA, not Faceit. Users could create a memory dump file of the ESEA client process and see that they were being mined. They agreed to a $1 million settlement in a consumer protection complaint by the state of New Jersey.

[@BigHeadClan]

@@beige6620 Ah right it was ESEA not Faceit

[@kevrosbane]

iv always though the its ur responsibility argument was funny, expressly when a companys get hacked and then tells the public they were hacked will also keep ur account baned if the account was effected in the company leak.

[@LumpyThePug]

6:00 the mod was the specialists! for counterstrike 1.6 / half-life 1. Such a fun mod, you can still play this by downloading it ModDB to play with bots. A true classic lol

[@LuggageStardate]

There was just some video of someone talking about something like 200 free steam games that were malware. It was the scam where they renamed one to helldivers 2, set it to free but still has a lot of other games put on steam by the same person at the same time.