These Units Are BROKEN | Prydwen Apocalyptic Shadow Tierlist

[@kanicunny]

4 star in tier 0, actually insane. Gallagher chads keeps winning

[@smolbeans7]

Fire 4 stars are built different.. *flashbacks of Bennett and Xiangling*

[@bem3760]

​@@smolbeans7 I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of xiangling. I try to play dieluc. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play yoimiya. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Hu tao. My xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has xiangling. I want to play raiden, childe. They both want xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull engulfing lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with homa." I can't pull for homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world

[@lumsalo]

​@@smolbeans7I love fire healers

[@Spiderrtank]

I do love seeing de-roached Gregor being a gigachad

[@restart6358]

Until lingsha😂

[@Accountthatexists]

From what i see a problem blade runs into alot.........is that there just is never wind weakness in highest difficultys of endgame

[@leviacosta1134]

The other problem another youtuber brought up is that he doesn't really have a true hp support yet. All the new support units have buffed every dps in some way, but Blade never enjoys them as much as others because he doesn't care for attack.

[@Hououin818]

​@@leviacosta1134 Which is honestly a big problem for him because most of our dps scale on atk so there's no reason to make a hp scaling support unless they make another hp scaling dps which will most likely powercreept Blade out of existence

[@bandi642]

@@leviacosta1134 he only benefits of damage bonus crit suspports and he already stacks to many damage boost buffs

[@wallnut7624]

​@@Hououin818so either stay irrelevant or become the weaker options.

[@Leiska86]

​@@Hououin818Blade is so SP efficient you could probably run him together with whatever other HP scaling DD is added, though. Silver linings and all.

[@alemantos8340]

I have both of them, played a ton both of them, both E0S1, and for me Boothill is slightly better then Sam even he apply his weakness only by his ult. The reason for that is his flexibility - Sam must be played with Ruan Mei and harmony MC, Bootty don't, he can be played with any other harmony or not harmony characters and still do a ton of damage coz his own break mechanic.

[@Ilikegames804]

It has to be boothill he has the highest ST weakness break efficiency in a single turn and does not have to rely on HMC to deal dmg because of how his dmg works which allows him to run other AV supports like Bronya and Sparkle + He actually has built in crit conversion stats + breaking the fodder enemies also provides benefits for him.

[@kooweijing9061]

Well, to be fair HTB does enable huge super break dmg and abuse the Iron Calvary set ignore def on break and super break dmg. Combined with his sig LC. But it goes up more with E1 BH and E1 RM. The stacking ignore def is bonkers....

[@oblivionmcnair7369]

but he needs to build his 3 pockets shots first. While fire fly auto regens to 50% energy every fight and can go from 50% to 100% in 1 skill. adding to that she has a self cleanse when she reaches full energy. In combustion mode she gets + 20% break dmg, + 50% break efficiency, + 60 speed, +30 Effect Res+ damage reduction and a self heal that procs per skill. Said skill also implants on main target of a 3 attack based aoe and reduces toughness to enemies beside it. oh and her basic combustion attack can also reduce toughness'.

[@peak1824]

bro did u not see that boothill is top in there cause he in tb team?

[@B4nana888]

I don’t get how not relying on HMC is even a point of advantage in people’s arguments? The UNIT is LITERALLY and ABSOLUTELY FREE. Boothill doesn’t rely on HMC, sure? Then your loss I guess?

[@Ilikegames804]

​@@oblivionmcnair7369 At the end of the day Boothill has faster weakness break efficiency and can act 6x in under 150 AV peak firefly is 4x enhanced moves in 150 av and is currently the only unit that can skip the 2nd phase of Argenti because of his weakness break. Does the fact he need to stack pocket shots matter when he can straight one shot APOC bosses upon gaining 3 pocket shots?

[@flatdefgod2960]

14:23 nuclear drama by pokke community True boothill havers aren't blind with waifu and metas. Boothill enjoyer here

[@alecerosunicornis7661]

fr bro

[@daughterofgorgias7235]

FACTS BROTHA

[@xuk6042]

Got shafted by rng and lost boot hill to random 4* 😢

[@kooweijing9061]

He's all hat and no cattle. I got him E2S1. I was just trying to roll for E1 but I got double. RNG really want this cowboy to be in my top collection😅

[@Makara56400]

@@kooweijing9061 Exact same thing happened to me, E1 and E2 at pity 6 and 1, my inner Spike Spiegel simp was overjoyed.

[@thepancakethathasnoname7826]

I wish Hoyo just change Bailu E4 or E6 so that she can cleanse debuff with the first bounce so that she has a place and rise up in the tier list( I have E6)

[@destock1637]

I rather than bailu gives that 30% damage increase rather than a cleanse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@JA.4]

her e1 is kinda useless so i'd rather they change her e1 or e2 maybe

[@BailuGaming]

Change her E6 to a cleanse, 2 Revives is useless to a character that heals 5k per ult and gives 10% damage Res. Fun fact: Bailu talent is responsible for more than 50% of her heals, and yet people say Ult>Skill=Talent...

[@BailuGaming]

@@JA.4 E1 is helpfull in some specific rotations. If you have E1 Bailu and use Vonwacq Tingyun she will allways 3 turn ult doing E-E-Q even on DDD which is her optimal LC, the same is valid for RM and characters with similar rotations to Tingyun. Without Bailu E1 TIngyun needs to get hit to 3t ult while doing E-E-Q.

[@228Drake]

Cleanse is useless because it is always more profitable to make sure that enemies are not able to apply debuffs. Just break enemies more

[@prestonbeaulieu4379]

Idk where this idea comes from that there can only be 1 tier 0. I'm glad that prydwen doesn't follow that philosophy, because it doesn't make any sense.

[@latitude990]

For real. This isn’t sudden death overtime ffs

[@nuannathan5446]

Boothill has the highest damage, but is harder to play, so it makes sense that he deals more damage. Firefly deals less damage but is much more straightfoward in gameplay.

[@geekoie]

also in building, boothill requires a lot more investment

[@elidavis8655]

@@geekoiewdym it’s mainly just break and speed, him having crit is a bonus not a need

[@nuannathan5446]

@@elidavis8655 I think he means the lightcone, Boothill has only one option and it's his signature, his second best option would be the 3 star lc that gives speed. While Firefly can just use Aeon and her signature isn't that much of an upgrade.

[@Hououin818]

​@@elidavis8655Firefly has atk to be conversion so any lc with atk buff can still work with her, Boothill second best option after his sig is a 3 stars lc

[@kooweijing9061]

​@@nuannathan5446I experimented with Swordplay and I'm confident to say that it's the 2nd best LC for him

[@kooweijing9061]

Give a thumbs up for those who wish to pull BH at his rerun or already have him.

[@Athcer]

IMO Boothill's better than FF in MoC and AS. Although FF is easier to execute it reaches its ceiling very quickly Hoyoverse knew this which is why they decided to give her a set of artifacts and ornaments for her however it is not enough to compete with a character that takes advantage of all the offensive statistics of the game. It is often said that BH is difficult to build however putting critical rate/critical damage on it is not a necessity, you can play it only with BE and speed and it will still be superior to FF without investing more than that, obviously flexibility is a point which is taken for granted, FF only has one team BH no

[@aIexisfinetoo]

I don’t think there needs to be only one unit in T0.. what if two units in the same category perform at a very similar power level? There would be no point in splitting them up, it would just create misinformation.

[@mistro504]

If there's a character that buff break dmg (not super break )or 4 star lc or a relic set that is made for him or even a break sustain is the same element as him (like ff) for boothill he will be the strongest dps

[@TiaNeedsSleep]

gallagher: am i a joke to you (boosts break damage)

[@BailuGaming]

@@TiaNeedsSleep by 13%...

[@CriteriaAlpha]

Nope. Stop coping. Archeron would still be better. Wake up

[@mistro504]

@@CriteriaAlpha i have Acheron with her weapon to do dmg like boothill and i need 5 enemies which you can only find in pure fiction

[@CriteriaAlpha]

@@mistro504 Fair, Boothill is better single target.

[@danikaze69]

If talking about both halves, generally would say FF. Else, Boothill. But ima be honest, theyre extremely close for me, prolly the closest out of all classes in the Prydwen tier list so I can see it go both ways.

[@mrartezi69]

But there can only be one, remember

[@Radiant450]

We talking damage: Boothill We talking ease of use: FF We talking team flexibility: Boothill We talking number of dates with MC: FF Depends on what is the criteria.

[@austinadvincula4410]

@@Radiant450damage mathematically doesn’t even mog firefly

[@maiadraconica6488]

Boothill pulls ahead to make up for the waifu biase. He dont got tailor made relics unlike firefly and the current buff for the game mode is stronger for super break and Firefly than it is for Boothill.

[@tuananhdang7385]

exactly, if you run hmc with BH it is basically an overkill and overall useless. HMC is only good in DU with BH

[@FunkyEspelhoCat]

"Bias" 😂

[@bem3760]

​@@tuananhdang7385 nah, it's still overkill for him to run with HMC even in DU, swarm and GnG. Cowboy just build different.

[@ziodyne7774]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@tuananhdang7385no, it’s not an overkill, it’s perfectly fine to play him instead of bronya(esp without sig or e1 on her) or sparkle. It all depends on a situation and matchup

[@tuananhdang7385]

@@ziodyne7774 you are really better off with bronya/BH than hmc/BH unless u dont have bronya

[@d_roy_]

Boothill is T0 easily for Apocalyptic Shadow. Once he gets his 3 stacks with the trash mobs, he's unstoppable in breaking and eliminating both bosses, especially Midgentina.

[@ДжонШеперд-э3с]

Bronya interacts so well with Boothill, why wasn't it raised a notch higher? Even Asta is ahead...

[@austinadvincula4410]

It’s alphabetical order

[@esaualfaro3447]

Sushang is insane at breaking, specially because she's super fast and has action advance. She refunds SP attacking broken enemies which is big.

[@ayaya7927]

As a gallagher main who has pulled on ff banner just to get E6 I am proud to say that gallagher mains are winning

[@UltimatePollo3495]

Gallagher mains would of pulled on acheron banner to get e6 false Gallagher main

[@ayaya7927]

@@UltimatePollo3495 unfortunately I saved 105 pulls but only got to e4 😭. At least I have a whole board and TikTok acc dedicated to my Galla 😍😍😍

[@seunabe4612]

Boothill factually just does more damage at similar investment, that’s just the truth of the matter. Firefly however is significantly easier to pilot and get going, it’s a simple procedure between the two really

[@JohnDoe-si4eg]

If you really wanna see the fireworks put both boothill and FF in dps (where they belong) and have boothill as the only T0.

[@mrxeon.9589]

i pull for both boothill and FF and I can tell that FF selling point is comfortable to use while having ridiculous amount of speed and sustain while boothill just had to rely on ult for weakness implant but, boothill when 1v1 can be quite monster thou

[@xephos659]

Two T0's is fine, because two teams are needed. In an ideal (whale) world, you run full T0 character teams on each side.

[@Nakuweed-samurai]

Exactly

[@iamctrl963]

as someone who pulled both boothil and firefly boothil does more dmg and he is more flexible but require a brain which the community dont have , firefly is easy and comfy to use

[@captainp367]

I did it on auto with Acheron and Boothill

[@lovemyself217]

"This Apocalyptic Shadow ain't big enough for the 2 of us" -Boothill 🤠

[@valkyrieregalia]

While both Bootyhill and Firefly can easily get max rewards, I feel like Firefly's clear is a bit more foolproof and braindead. So, I'd give her a slight edge for that reason since Prydwen's tier list is aimed at the casual majority.

[@zapdos8434]

To give my opinion about the "can you use HMC without Mc?" question, i would say totaly, i cleared the cocolia side with Xueyi(full break build), Gallagher, HMC and Asta(also Br build with ER rope) and got around 3400 total point on that side, i also tried to do a 4 star only on the Argenti side by replecing Xueyi with Sushang and cleared without problems with similar results . (at difficulty 4)

[@kolebowyer3837]

Boothill stomps 😎

[@smolbeans7]

Lmao

[@tracksfrl4096]

YEP FUCK MIDFLY

[@nottheshad0w]

Bootycheeks

[@angelicacorsaro9716]

don’t have firefly so no comments there, but Bootycheeks 1 tapped Argenti as soon as he broke him and did 1 Bootihillion damage easily

[@mayonasepizza]

I got full stars as ftp with super break and e6 Xueyi on Cocolia and i just shoved my e2 DHIL in Argentinas weaknes before ramming the broken Argentina with e2 (and e2s1 Bronya)

[@sashimi3478]

I think it's gonna be mostly boss dependent whether or not BH or FF is better, we probably can't generalize it too much unless it's for pure fiction where we all know who wins

[@kingcopium9143]

MrPokke: Trying to start beef with FF mains to farm content Fireflymains: Our internet gf is so cute😍

[@animefanrk2k]

My tier 0 between Boothill and Firefly is Firefly because my Firefly is E3S1 currently.

[@cheesemomo]

they feel kinda the same to me in terms of damage but i do think boothill is more fun to play, i’m really glad i got him 🤧

[@Nakuweed-samurai]

This is my view of them -Boothill is flexible in team coms and st dmg wise but rn he lack of f2p lc bc besides his sig so rn his f2p lc is a 3 star it just make him a bit squishy doesn’t effect his dmg -FF other hand very restricted in teams coms and heavily need HMC (but he a free unit so that fair) but she more comfortable to use and straight forward ,also had a f2p lc falls of aeon in herta shop -in my opinion i say just pull whoever you like if you like Boothill/FF pull for them ,it kinda stupid to compare both bc both are T0 unit and will help you clear content remember this is not pvp game so just have fun with your fav character 😊

[@Hououin818]

FF needed an overloaded af kit just to be on the same level as someone who only have 30% dmg vulnerability in his kit is insane. Truly a Kinghill moment

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

people still run Gallagher on FF and call it "fixed" although instead of gala, replace it with asta and she can clear 50 AV less than boothill's prem run

[@orion615]

My bro didn't even get a dedicated planar/relic set and he still slaps.

[@sct77]

I mean it's his own gamemode, Firefly is still way better than him everywhere else lol.

[@tracksfrl4096]

@@sct77 his mode huhhh?!? tf are u talking bout 🤣

[@sct77]

@@tracksfrl4096 Next you will tell me that Pure Fiction wasn't Argenti's gamemode..

[@JohnStamR]

This is a case of truly I think its just 2 T0s. You cannot say one is objectively better than the other when Boothill and Firefly as so close to each other. Even if we use the data as it is, is

[@someone999555]

In my eyes boothill is the t0 unit IF you can only have one. Which i dont think is true. Multiple t0s are fine in my eyes. But yeah, boothill has superbreak and "hypercarry" as team options, hes more single target focused than sam, which is the focus of this mode, and he performs slightly better. The fact he is more difficult to use well shouldnt be a factor for the tierlist imo, even if it is definitely worth noting

[@adamcobb7892]

Idc Clara e3 Jing Yuan and QQ were my dps carries for a while in the beggining. Didnt get Blade until the end of his banner and the light cones the 4star s3. Topaz though ill die on the hill shes TOP char bc shes good in EVERYTHING.

[@jonathanrobinson198]

I feel like part of the reason for me to hate Firefly is so good is due to the fact they made her so fast. Combine that with the buffs recharging the ults and she shes’s always going. Speed boots and a couple speed substats and she’s going places.

[@Kspice9000]

And she still doesn't have her premium super break units. This is just her with tb and universal buffer.

[@universalgamer8010]

First 10 seconds, already know not going to agree, but will still watch everything else.

[@Scythra]

5:45 That Seeleuhh pronounciation, absolutely poggers, genuinely good pronounciation, im proud of you MrPokke!

[@Ixs4i]

funny he mentions superbreak ratio, ive actually unironically run that shit before. i used it in the boothill release moc and it led me to the 36* of that cycle. weaker than ipc followup for sure but its really funny lmfao

[@ThyBr0]

Reminder to all that slandering Firefly is popular here and that it is made for engagement bait. You could blame the CC, blame the algorithm, or whatever. Firefly and Boothill both perform exceptionally well in endgame, it’s just that firefly is much easier to do + she could do PF really easily

[@shirio45]

why not use both daddy boothill and girlfriend firefly duo dps

[@vickdinvick5485]

i think is because sp issues

[@haseddouremohamed7106]

If we're giving T0 to gallagher because he synergizes well with Firefly then it's fair to say that Fu Xuan deserves T0.5 because she can abuse Trends of Universal Market with Acheron.

[@feyandhisstuff9888]

She is worse than galagher even in this scenario and also even gepard abuse trend much more than her. Fu is just not a good for this rotation of this mode, I’d drop her even more below because her cleanse is much worse than hwehwes one

[@0kunalboro0]

​​@@feyandhisstuff9888did 3600 on cocolia with acheron, sw, swan and fu(4th diff first half). She's good enough for that t0.5

[@0kunalboro0]

​@@feyandhisstuff9888she's good enough to be t0.5 cause coco has Quantum weekness and she can sustain well. Did 3600 on coco (4th difficulty first half) with acheron, sw, swan and fu.

[@CriteriaAlpha]

Aventurine does it better

[@Dandy4ask]

firefly is just himeko with weakness implant and speed

[@raulmaltrain6893]

boothill one taps the boss while ignoring the mobs FF two taps the boss and the mobs. sometimes one is more valuable than the other.

[@B4nana888]

Except Firefly moves 4-5(4 enhanced skill) times in a turn so go figure

[@raulmaltrain6893]

@@B4nana888 and BH runs bronya so he also has high frequency of turns...

[@B4nana888]

@@raulmaltrain6893 yeah, two turns single target. That’s a lot

[@raulmaltrain6893]

@@B4nana888 when you only need one to kill the boss that's more than enough lmao. reading comprehension is MIA w/u.

[@B4nana888]

@@raulmaltrain6893 Then go ahead. Show me a video of a f2p Boothill one shotting ANY boss in MOC. I’ll even give you a handicap, do it in AS and make it E0S1 Boothill in fact. One shot cocolia or Argenti. Then I’ll believe you.

[@PrimoGems.]

Firefly is better with multiple similar HP enemies that has low toughness, boot hill is better with high toughness enemies (and with weak enemies on the side)

[@universalgamer8010]

I never have any issues with high toughness ...

[@floptad]

@@universalgamer8010 that's not the point

[@dontuknowhowsweetittastes]

firefly does not give flying fuck about toughness trust me, boothill also, both rely on their ultimates to implant but firefly attacks more+ can activate her ult in the first turn whereas boothill cannot

[@floptad]

@@dontuknowhowsweetittastes his technique implants weakness so there is no req for him to have his ult at the start

[@dontuknowhowsweetittastes]

@@floptad but its not enough to break on the first turn even with ruan mei on the team, while firefly gets 2 attacks on her first turn since she gets her ult instantly

[@liv_zer]

Fact: if monocible BH stomps and if multicible FF stomps

[@toast1797]

Boothill's kit works well by itself and is team flexible. FF REQUIRES HMC, RM and maybe Gallagher without them she loses so much dmg.

[@UltimatePollo3495]

Yeah but here we talking about the bis team and ff can work with asta aswell and still clear and she doesn't need gallagher

[@Saix1031]

Firefly is good but so is boothill and I prefer him over firefly so I got boothill and easily skipped firefly with no regrets. They both clear quick so it rlly doesn’t matter, just get the characters u like and you’ll be happy. :)

[@JimmyPickles5628]

I feel like I'm learning a second language while listening to this shit 😵‍💫

[@PoyoPoyomfs]

I love firefly and all that But acheron is better

[@arjunmuruganandam3373]

I think Firefly is better at E0S0.

[@Cytryz]

If I just started the game last week, am I going to have a better time with Ruan Mei or Firefly? My 5* i got from the beginner banner was Gepard, and I have a E3 Gallager and e0 Xueyi. Im 5-10 pulls away from my first limited 5*

[@TiaNeedsSleep]

ruan mei ruan mei fits into basically every single team ever there are scenarios where ruan mei isn't the best in slot buffer for some teams, but she would still work, while the same might not be true for other buffers firefly is also like 50% less efficient without ruan mei

[@max_mojo4917]

I recommend ruan mei

[@RomaNepl]

Ruan Mei. You can fit her in almost every team and with how they're pushing the break meta, she's almost irreplaceable nowadays. Feixiao is rumored to be a wind/hunt/weakness break focused unit, so you can save for her if you want to and she'll be your DPS.

[@roasteduck]

who did bro say at 5:47??

[@sevxone]

Nah thats crazy thinking Bootyhill is better than Firefly. Waifu or not, Firefly is just a better unit and she has AoE which helps a lot.

[@Skyeeee03]

Boothill toughness break is OP as fck

[@mistro504]

Boothill dmg is higher than her but ofc he's harder to play because he doesn't have a break support or a break sustain with his element or a 4 star lc or a relic set for him like ff if he has he will be easier and stronger than her

[@Hououin818]

Boothill scale extremely well with weakness break efficiency so if they do release a second sp with that buff he's gonna out scale tf out of FF

[@keneunaegbu851]

It's not crazy at all, and Firefly is blast, not aoe

[@Skyeeee03]

@keneunaegbu851 😆 bud can't distinguish blast and AoE 🤣

[@zouup]

i didn’t have enough money for booty 😭 he ran at the same time as Master Diviner E4S4 😅

[@highwaytoheaven99]

I personally think Boothill and Firefly are both T0, but if there can only be 1, then it should be Firefly. Firefly works on both sides, since both have Fire Weakness, but Boothill only works on 2nd side. I know both can implant weakness, but even tho his single target damage is far greater than Firefly and he breaks way faster, Cocolia has like 50% phys res so... yeah. I would know, I have both, I tested them.

[@Mamjamsham]

Its a general tier list, weaknesses will keep changing. And besides that, I actually got higher score with my Boothill even on Cocolia who has 40% phys res. Theres no character who even comes close to Boothill when killing bosses. All bosses get one shot with one enhanced basic attack

[@monkeyirl2898]

imo you can run boothill without ruan mei just fine as long as you have enough av advance for him to deal damage, but firefly has like 1 team archetype and the rest is kind of bootycheeks

[@EkuYoo]

Ask Boothill vs Firefly than says he is staying neutral. He can't keep getting away with this 🤣🤣🤣

[@smexxxxy]

There is no reason you can't have multiple units in T0. FF and BH are too close so it doesn't make sense to separate them. Also I think the specialist category is pointless.

[@georgezhang1573]

Specialist makes sense for characters like black swan or topaz to show that they don’t work well as a hypercarry(unlike for example ratio) while still being very strong in their best teams. But firefly and foothill should honestly just be moved to dps, they aren’t even specialists since they can apply their weakness and are run as solo hypercarry break dps.

[@gambit2324]

if silverwolf dont have event lightcone is she t0.5? or t1?

[@unafaldapunk8288]

I really like your videos, but you have started clickbaiting your videos and your quality has lowered. It's really sad to see you embracing and echoing the toxic behavior of the community, so I'm blocking your channel.

[@latelotus]

Wait... Sushang viable? Oh Im taking best girl off the bench yesterday.

[@cronoluminara6911]

And I thought I was weird running Clara lol

[@AzurFenix]

THIS FIREFLY SLANDER MUST BE PUNISHED!!!!

[@kaikaikai4477]

Another JingLiu L But overall I want to see how this tier list changes when AS is not made for BE units anymore

[@Yuukinum0]

WHAT!? I cleared agenti with jingliu easily, and ran mono 4'11 / mono quantum qingque+ gallenger he is not 4'11 but he is 13 so...

[@jaloy9325]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Apocalyptic Shadow is a break mode, take a look at leaks, the buffs don't benefit break dmg next AS, but u still deal 0 dmg until u break the boss, the tier list ain't changing, maybe Acheron down to T0.5 cause there is no lightning weakness next version

[@Yuukinum0]

@@jaloy9325 i brute force with my e2 s1 jingliu anyways i took agenti 2nd phase to 61% hp before he even took action not broken state, i actually kill the boss before i broke him in the 2nd phase

[@toddyn2666]

Make way for the cowboy🤠

[@cjn0423]

Im still very new, so my opinion is trash. I don't have Boothill, I do have Firefly. I'm wondering if Boothill might be better because he can deal more damage and he can fit in more teams than Firefly can, right now.

[@Nakuweed-samurai]

Yes i have both so i will comfirm -Boothill is flexible in team coms and st dmg wise but rn he lack of f2p lc bc besides his sig so rn his f2p lc is a 3 star it just make him a bit squishy doesn’t effect his dmg -FF other hand very restricted in teams coms and heavily need HMC (but he a free unit so that fair) but she more comfortable to use and straight forward ,also had a f2p lc falls of aeon in herta shop -in my opinion i say just pull whoever you like if you like Boothill then wait for his rerun ,it kinda stupid to compare both bc both are T0 unit and will help you clear content remember this is not pvp game so just have fun with your fav character 😊

[@RaidenDisNots]

it literally doesnt matter, both of em will let you clear any content except shitty pure fiction, so just pick who you want to make your future husbando or waifu and nurture them with months upon months of vermillion farming untl they become stacked and then watch them get powercrept

[@JA.4]

nah firefly goated on pure fiction

[@RaidenDisNots]

@@JA.4 with himeko yea, but does it really matter

[@riven4121]

I've noticed a lot of people don't like pf

[@chelo136]

Or get Acheron and destroy all content even PF , the real queen of the game

[@RaidenDisNots]

@@chelo136 based

[@alienwere999]

I just have Firefly and Boothill and I love them equally. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but one is clear both r gorgous and broken ❤

[@AH_1102]

Regret not going for Boothill

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

firefly or boothill? just put them both lol, clears faster than acheron

[@akshayreddy4071]

In a very heavily break centered apocalyptic shadow, he was talking about them in general for all possible apocalyptic shadows, in which case acheron is probably still better imo

[@ChunkyTheClown]

Waifu fiends when the single target character BARELY outperforms the AoE character at single target content and nothing else.

[@universalgamer8010]

Firefly so much it doesn't matter if she does 20% less damage than Boothill, she'll do a lot more. Also has a much easier time getting hyper break ready. Firefly also heals herself. Firefly is on par with Acheron (I have both built extremely well both have signature)... Firefly is also extremely f2p friendly.

[@peak1824]

if it s1 boothill i might trust this but if it not then there no way this is real my friend also got boothill with ruanmei but he still die to cocolia the dmg isnt great either but he use s5 sushang lc not sig.

[@floptad]

your be running an crit boothill with natasha cause there is no other argument+sushang lc is useless on him btw

[@ZeppeliGaming]

boothill literally can go without a lc and still destroy this gamemode LMAO your friends is clearly having a skill issue. Besides that the 3star lightcone with speed is better and if you are dying then get any sustain or better speed like cmon its not that hard.

[@lovemyself217]

Tbh, no LC improve his damage as much as his own LC, so he can literally run on no LC and demolish any boss, 200% break effect is the minimum if you have ruan mei and harmony trailblazer

[@peak1824]

look like u guy a professional can u show him with this team boothill ruanme bronya loucha and upload it on ur channel? also dont use lc since u said he still destroy it .

[@ZeppeliGaming]

@@peak1824 nah no way he died with luocha and I did not with no limited sustain

[@ikomangyoga6401]

Im glad pulling boothil because everyone want ruan mei 😭 i know boothil too but at least boothil can use bronya, mc 😅

[@smolbeans7]

The amount of people pulled Firefly INSTEAD of Boothill says it all. Majority of the playerbase won't pull for a 'weaker' unit just because they like them, lol

[@floptad]

bringing gacha and sales already favoured towards firefly into an ingame argument oh the irony

[@leviacosta1134]

Having played Firefly in Simulated Universe, I actually prefer boothill. I genuinely feel like in the vast majority of cases (so far), they're interchangeable. I thought Firefly's damage was insane in previews, but my Boothill can do all that and more, single target. There just ain't nothing stopping him.

[@smolbeans7]

​@@floptadit's not about the sales. It's about the players preferring Firefly over Boothill. You know something's wrong about your opinion when nearly 80℅ people are agreeing on smth and you're in the rest of the 20℅

[@vinhinh6810]

says what? that the majority of the player base are a bunch of horny waifu collecter??

[@smolbeans7]

​@@vinhinh6810 yup. Hoyo knows their playerbase, maybe that's why they made her slightly better than him?

[@isaaccaraballo5359]

Why did they put shushang so high tho? Always felt like she was on the same level as Luka

[@Mr.Heller]

Self 100% Advance from Ult.

[@deibu_1361]

she gets tons of turns from her talent and can easily reach 160+ spd and can advance herself forward by 100% from ult, making her do a lot of toughness damage with hmc and ruan mei

[@lovemyself217]

I agree with shushang should be at the same level as Luka, because i believe Luka should be higher. This meta require break and both Shushang and Luka reduce weakness bar so fast, especially Shushang skill->Ult->skill rotation, although it's Skill point hungry, it's still worth it

[@Mr.Heller]

Ragebait at its finest.

[@Andrei-te1pk]

If boothill has all 3 pocket trick shoots stack then he is better

[@martin.371]

Glad i lost my 50/50 to bailu. Now i have the guaranteed for my future e2 sparkle pulls, with bailu i finally got all standard banner units and now i don’t have to build this midfly unit who i haven’t ever heard about. Truly happy about pulling bailu😃😃😃

[@maiadraconica6488]

Is this cope? You good bro?

[@3setsofdrums]

good luck next time 🐊

[@seph3983]

you high on copium lil bro

[@bachlamtung5131]

holy firefly mid ragebait intro

[@redfoxakame]

Why is Prydwen always biased towards QQ LMAOOO

[@mcmovinup4991]

Holy nuclear apocalyptic shadows tier list

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

Bro what's prydwn is cooking with ratio . Imbibitor slaps boss argenti bcz of his enhanced has high toughness reduction. Maybe ratio topaz can beat him but ratio alone nah

[@Yoru...]

Ratio is the fastest in clearing argenti. Dhil doesn't compete at all, ratio just breaks mucmuch faster.

[@Accountthatexists]

Ratio clears faster with argenti ESPECIALLY because of how topaz ratio aventurine ALL can break the weakness That's why

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

@@Accountthatexists that's what I said. You need topaz for fire breaks. Il has blast so kill summons faster. But ratio struggle, so topaz helps a lot with that .

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

@@Yoru... Yeah I follow up team with topaz , otherwise not

[@sethl1475]

if you don't bring topaz then you run pela or sw who also happen to deal a good amount of toughness damage

[@AaritAggarwal]

bro talks like xqc

[@AngelHernandez-pl3hc]

This mode was made for hunt characters so Boothill should 100% be better here even though firefly is overall significanmtly better in the other modes because AOE.

[@arthurroy4996]

What spreadsheet is that, is it for individual clears? pyrdwen's own website has on average firefly's best team at a higher appearance rate and score on both halfs. Stage 1 doesn't even list boothill because hes so shit for that half (phy res) and Firefly's team has an average score of 3636 while the 2nd half has Firefly with an average score of 3552 while boothill's best team at 3509. That said, all else equal, boothill is conditionally better, if he can build stacks, he can perform better, but the issue is just that. This isnt MOC. We aren't guaranteed adds in the first wave to build his stacks so he can get going. What happens when we get just a boss? or a boss that spawns adds later? Thats not to say he will be bad, but better then Firefly who can be used anywhere boothill can? I doubt it.

[@27Ganon]

Boothill is just better in general for AS. They're comparable now because of the super break buff, once that's gone Firefly won't be able to compete.

[@koragon8894]

personally i think the apocalyptic shadow is kinda strange mod or atleast for me i expected it to be more like 1 v 1 situation just my units and boss that i dont know have like 6 milion health ( over tuned for purpose thank you ) and there will be nothing else but now there are cocolia weird pillars , gepard , argentis statues it just become aoe break mode to be honest and i do not really like it and i still think they should add just one big chunky boss and kill him in time but also i will wait maybe only now they choosed wrong bosses maybe later on we will fight like idk Sam and he will have like 5 000 000 hp and there will be only he alone

[@barushbs]

Bootycheeks vs Firemid? Argenti better anyway 😴😴😴

[@Somethingaboutanother1537]

I have both but I would give T0 to boothill his kit does fine even without ruan mei. You can argue boothill needs bronya but I would argue you can just run him with speed buff supports like asta and hanya and he's still clearing at a decent time but with firefly take out hmc or ruan mei and her clear is dogshit in comparison to boothill without bis. I will say though that firefly might be more future proof in apocalyptic shadow when both has their best in slot just because she's aoe.

[@UltimatePollo3495]

Why would u take hmc out when she is free and with ruin mai u can replace her with asta actually and still clear and also we talking with both bis teams what is wrong with ff is she has her best team tell me

[@RomaNepl]

​@@UltimatePollo3495FF falls off hard without Ruan Mei and even though HMC is free, if you want to use him in another team, then FF's damage will be basically non existent.

[@UltimatePollo3495]

@RomaNepl who else u use hmc with boothill prefers ruin mai and bronya and all u need is one limited character and her team is complete and we are talking with ff best team

[@Somethingaboutanother1537]

@@UltimatePollo3495 the fastest clear in the video is boothill with hmc and ruan mei. The question is asked who deserves the top spot for apocalyptic shadow and data shows they're both toe to toe to each other and If I had to pick one T0 I would pick the character the one that clears faster in a variety of teams.

[@nooone1387]

Boothill better for AS, FF better for every other gamemode

[@zakariamimouni279]

Fake math data KKona, FF is better than Boothill

[@neo.3]

SUPER BREAK OPPA

[@AristineSilvanus]

Firefly. Idc what others here say, but boothill sucks balls in generating those pocket trickshots unlike on Firefly wherein u just press her ult and shes good to go.

[@televator5340]

his build-up is definitely one of his major weaknesses. firefly can be effectively immediately in most stages whereas boothill suffers in stages without weak enemies to get trickshot stacks

[@The_CEO_of_Swag]

eh it’s really stage dependant. definitely disingenuous to say he can’t generate stacks because he reaches 3 super quickly on argenti half and in that case he’s stronger than ff. if they do add a stage where it’s just one target no summons than ff is better

[@floptad]

best argument you got?

[@ZeppeliGaming]

the worst thing I heard as a boothill main literally I never worry about pocket trickshot. you get two for the first enemy bc it will auto kill them then you get the next one using someones elses ult or you just go for the boss bc why tf not lol

[@shjinriven3408]

Hahahaha without rm firefly is garbage but boothill even without rm he still strong so basically RM carries midflly's damage suck it up Midfly lovers.

[@UltimatePollo3495]

Yeah but we talking about her best team and that includes ruin mai

[@B4nana888]

Your account is bricked either way without Ruan Mei so I’ll let you choose 😂

[@jaykhobrekar3619]

Ok

[@shjinriven3408]

@@B4nana888 I have ruan mei but my acheron, jingliu, boothill and many other dps can work even without her unlike MIDFLY who depends on ruan mei just to carry her sorry overrated gundam ass damage.

[@iliketrainz4030]

geniunely i would see the argument that boothill is the better performer in the argenti half due to literally everyone being physical weakness and his insane st against argenti. firefly is absolutely the better performer in the first half since she doesnt need to build up stacks and because she can keep applying weakness to cocolia in the second phase, this allows her to be the more consistent option overall and at e2 it is 100 percent firefly for argenti as well since shes always breaking the swords. since firefly is better in the cocolia side and can perform only slightly slower than boothill just coz of his insane dmg when breaking argenti, i would call firefly the better overall option especially because it allows for you to play one of the traditional teams you play in moc on the second half like Ratio followup or argenti hyper, dhil hyper, jingliu hyper, etc meaning you would have more multi purpose teams

[@floptad]

you're argument can easily be countered by running boothill in first half and any traditional team comps in the second half

[@quockhanh5740]

wdym ff allows you to play traditional teams? prydwen clearly stated that boothill used the same team as FF

[@silvalgalewalker503]

Have you seen Boothill on Cocolia side? After oneshot a spear, he can ignore all Cocolia mechanic. As for phase 2, breaking recharge Ult for all character, save his Ult for phase 2. There's no reason for implant weakness on an already broken enemy

[@iliketrainz4030]

@@quockhanh5740 i mean the other half

[@iliketrainz4030]

@@floptad true but for the first half i feel like boothill is less consistent in cocolia especially if you lose your ultimate(by sacrificing for the sake of more super breaks) when cocolia phase changes