These Wheels Make a TON of Sense.

Logos Epoche road / gravel / cross / adventure wheels. A review and discussion on the company and why it appeals to me so much.
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[@8paolo96]

I would also add a little consideration to the straight pull spokes team. Bikepacking quite frequently i often carry some spare spokes with me, a j bend would require to remove the cassette or the rotor to be installed, while a straight pull often can be changed right on the edge of road with no other tools

[@TheBikeSauce]

Dang. Good point

[@overbikedrandonneuring]

With 'Logos' and 'ethos' mentioned so early in the video, I was waiting for 'pathos' to complete the Aristotelian rhetorical triangle. Wheels look like a great package, and reverse compatibility is a nice touch for anyone wanting to update mid 2010's disc brake bikes.

[@skang530]

I've been looking into Logo's Eudae wheelset, but couldn't find many reviews about them. Thank you for your video review.

[@yuvaljoseph]

I ran those on 32mm slick road and 45mm gravel. Both worked great. Love those wheels

[@flexxx222]

Some great design decisions were made on these wheels. Especially using the same spoke length on the front and rear and the great hub ratchet design. Kudos to Logos!

[@nelsonsilva6842]

My god so many good things and such a good video it's even difficult to believe in this day and age! I think the bad thing is that half the people won't understand half the very good points pointed out! Amazing!

[@TheBikeSauce]

🙏

[@TheSpaceBrosShow]

Im so glad that DT style hubs are becomking common and cheap. I really hope they replace basic pawl hubs on midrange and above wheels

[@8paolo96]

Always happy to see interchangeable caps

[@aaronedgeart]

Great review and the fact that all the spokes are the same-drive side and non, per wheel-is pretty rad.

[@malcontent_1]

These look very promising. The engineering and design choices they've made seem to make good sense.

[@Frostbiker]

Rims are the one component where I can see myself switching to carbon and these sound like exactly the sort of product that would fit the bill: hooked, easily serviceable, and not trying to maximize just one variable at the expense of everything else.

[@joelstads]

Great video and wheelset! I'd love to see a long term review on these.

[@TheBikeSauce]

Good idea

[@jacobatherton8339]

Having the same length spoke on both sides front and rear seems like a practical choice for someone carrying a couple extra spokes on a multi-day ride.

[@chesterthomas5093]

Great video! I really appreciate companies that design gear for normies (like me) that’s durable and serviceable, and still performs well.

[@goslingmarcus]

I own 3 sets of Logos wheels; MTB trail 29, The Epoches shown above and lastly their 50mm deep road wheels. I am a big believer in the DT 240 design for it's reliability and also the ease with which you can swap in diff freewheel bodies. In my experience Logos hubs work perfectly with any DT240 aftermarket bodies, and I have XD, HG and Microspline on mine at present. My riding experience so far has been that the Logos wheels just feel smooth and quiet and you can forget about them. No truing issues at all, tire mounting is great, and their out-of-the box rimtaping is the best I have seen TBH. On trails plus rocking big tires I find that any subtleties in the performance of your wheels are hard to perceive, but in the road is where you really feel the nuances of a wheel. I was honestly blown away by the ride feel of their 50mm deep road wheels (Called Aeros I think :) which I have on my Factro Ostro. Previously I had been riding Roval Alpinists and Roval CLX 50mms. The alpinists are awesome wheels but can be pretty harsh on that frame. The Rovals were a few years old and I had also used them in gravel races so I suspect they were getting a bit noodly. The Logos road wheels feel really planted and smooth.There are other options to these wheels in similar price brackets, but when you look closely at the specs they are often heavier, use proprietary hubs, or cut corners with lower spoke counts or aluminum nipples. Also, I am very wary of the hookless design for high-pressure road use, which Logos also seems to be skeptical of. Highly recommend all the logos wheels, but a particular shoutout for their road wheels where their design choices really shine out.

[@jeffk433]

Sounds like another solid addition to the growing all road wheel category. And at a reasonable price. The bladed spokes typically have more tensile strength and, from reviews, seem to mute vibrations more.

[@justpedal65]

Excellent review. Now, if only my money tree would bloom this next spring... 😊

[@Likelybiking]

Video idea I’d love to see you make. Strength test between straight gauge, butted and bladed spokes. I always thought straight would be strongest but I’ve been looking into it and it seems that bladed might be strongest.

[@hardmtnbiker]

I think the hooked rim is a better way to go. The Center Lock with 6 bolt conversion is what the new Project 321 hubs are doing too.

[@automat8]

Sounds like great wheels. Thank you Mr Sauce.

[@MrFrescocotone]

Look like they are great wheels. Great review as usual, detailed and honrst as usual!!

[@Savrotir]

Nice review! Brand logo is inspired by half life? Now, that's a plus. Btw, epoché translates to era.

[@do-ineedtosay723]

"I know what that sounds like, but that's just what they're called." LOL! *

[@shreddagorge]

Looks like the solution to a new wheelbuild I was about to embark on! Do you know if the end caps are identical to DT-Swiss? They certainly appear to be, but I use DT's RWS 10mm (rear) and 9mm (front) skewers on my 2013 instead of the 5mm QR, and they don't have them on their website (will have to email them I guess).

[@thesis1583]

They are indeed interoperable.

[@rogerkokos2856]

What roady section is that in this vid? I am local to you and like to give it a go. Thanks

[@PoorWorksmanship]

Are these hubs actually dt-swiss compatible? I've been feeling that this open standard is just a lot of other manufacturers to make tiny changes to the hub design, and make what would have been a wheel built around a DT350 suddenly built around their own proprietary hub that has no replacement parts available from anywhere

[@goslingmarcus]

Yes, in my experience I have been swapping in official DT-swiss freehub bodies with these logos wheels and they fit perfectly. Just went microspline on my Epoche's so I could upgrade to new GRX 12.

[@TheBikeSauce]

Great input. Thx!

[@cjohnson3836]

@@TheBikeSauce Doesn't the currently produced DT hubs have a different construction with ratchet EXP? Are the ratchet and spring dimensions still the same?

[@TheBikeSauce]

@cjohnson3836 ratchet exp is their new patented design, which is having some issues from what I understand

[@goslingmarcus]

Exactly right, there is a newer standard 'Ratchet EXP' that DT-Swiss have developed that is not compatible with the excellent and time-proven DT240 standard. I just make sure to buy the old standard freehub bodies, which are widely available.

[@smup2I]

Don't bladed spokes often get loud and creaky due to the larger surface area at the intersection of the spokes? I currently have this problem with my dt Swiss.

[@dperreno]

Well, they do include at least one (1) spare spoke, so there's that. (Really, they should include 3 or 4, and maybe they do, but the website states "spare spoke") INCLUDED EXTRAS Universal spare spoke Centerlock Lock Rings

[@KillingTimewithStyle]

“I like that” 😂

[@thisishowiedewitt76]

What handlebar is on that gold drop bar bike in the video?

[@TheBikeSauce]

@ritcheylogic Butano 42

[@lichray]

Are these taped (as official website documented), or rims without spoke holes. If the latter, they have very competitive price.

[@TheBikeSauce]

Good question. They have spoke holes (thank goodness). They come factory taped.

[@tomreingold4024]

Very nice.

[@coolhand1966]

I like this brands logo. 😀

[@cicerodonizetedeandrade4899]

Paguei 140 BRL no meu par de rodas. Estou feliz com elas 😂😂😂😂

[@digerati808]

I don't care for the ratchet hubs because they have an annoying oscillation sound. A pawl based hub is a little messier to work on but I think it sounds much better. Plus I've seen where high engagement ratchet hubs have had slipping problems.

[@subliminalfreedom]

🎉

[@artoutlawphoto]

Logos from Matrix

[@seanrequiredfieldcannotbel1362]

The weak spot on a J-bend spoke is the...J-bend. Straight pull spokes eliminate the J-bend, thus, eliminating the weak point. Welcome to more durable spokes...

[@TheBikeSauce]

Spicy

[@powerkraut007]

Straight spokes can twist. That's the reason why some costum builders don't use them.

[@seanrequiredfieldcannotbel1362]

@@powerkraut007 so do j-bend spokes. It's called wind up. You just use some spoke prep and stress relieve as you work.

[@williamfrom6021]

Wheels cost more then my bike

[@danstenis660]

Straight pull spokes are the way to go. Can't believe this is the first time I am seeing it. It is obviously much stronger and easier to replace yourself. That is a win in every way.

[@VictorM.Rodriguez-d8h]

I like all your videos, your knowledgeable and well spoken. I think you should shave that scraggly beard and mustache,.

[@TheBikeSauce]

😆 It's not on purpose.

[@shepshape2585]

I'm sorry, but spending $1,200 on a set of wheels will never, ever make a ton of sense. Not unless they come with a guarantee that they will win every race for me, make me more attractive and last for the rest of my life. I'm sure these wheels are very nice. They're round, so that's a plus going in. They have spokes that look unbroken, so there's another point for them. Now all you have to do is convince me that they are worth $1,200. I can buy a whole bike for $1,200, and not a bad one at that. So I'll be here with my popcorn watching the Jets lose yet another game while you state your case.

[@daveg7878]

I think $1200 for a good set of carbon wheels is a deal but yea, that is a lot of money. Would be curious what a next step down entails (cost vs. missed features). Maybe just where the value vs dollar peaks in wheels. I'd love to upgrade the original wheels on my diverge but $$$.

[@shepshape2585]

@@daveg7878 That’s the whole problem with cycling. They’ve got you convinced that $1,200 for a set of wheels is a deal. Do yourself and your wallet a favor and get a set of SuperTeam carbon wheels for around $400. I’ve been riding a set of their 38mm wheels for 5 years, I’ve put thousands of miles on them, including this morning, and they still look great, ride great, and are very true. I paid $274 for them on sale. They have lots of options as far as depth and colors and spokes and hubs are concerned. But even at their regular price, they are really a great deal. You can find lots of videos here where people review them.

[@TheBikeSauce]

I made an attempt a while back: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJjGYoyKj955bqcsi=zu14C2qzAhDO406Y TLDR: Mid range carbon seems to me to be peak value per dollar.

[@TheBikeSauce]

Maybe just don't buy them 😀

[@cjohnson3836]

Cool story

[@pedallinraw]

Save your money people,just buy your own carbon rims direct from china and build them up cheaper yourself or using the local bike shop. Stop purchasing from middle man companies who are ripping people off 😏

[@gcvrsa]

This is an ad.

[@TheBikeSauce]

You misspelled ‘review’ 😆

[@moonmuscle3332]

They're actually too stiff and dont quite have consistent flex patterns engineered into the rims...causing non-uniform/erratic failure rates.

[@daniels.2720]

You came to this conclusion how ? Testing, data, feedback or previous engineering knowledge ? + Please > no disrespect intended > just seeking product info.

[@DaveCM]

I also would like to know where you get your information or how you know this. I cannot find anything to validate your comment online. A bikepacking magazine did a 2,500 mile review of the wheels and they gave them a glowing review except for the lower grade bearings the test wheels came with.

[@moonmuscle3332]

@@daniels.2720 I called every custom wheel building shop in North America and picked the wheel mechanics brains...they all had eerily similar sentiments. Life is actually really easy when you give a fuck as much as you think you do about needing to figure something out. Stick with WeAreOne...they can replicate the engineered flex patterns over and over again..hand laid carbon actually has much more repeatable accuracy while being manufactured vs. thermo composites. I really wanted the thermo rims...that's why I deep dove and figured out the truth

[@demikeke]

@@moonmuscle3332 I wish WeAreOne sold a Revive wheelset with something besides I9 hubs. That noise would make me absolutely hate riding.