TYPE 21 FRIGATE BRIEF - NO. 25

[@iainmacdonald1170]

My 30 months on Ambuscade were perhaps the happiest of my 38 years service; there was just something about the design and 'atmosphere' onboard that their ship's companies loved. Many years later I had the pleasure of meeting a Pakistani naval officer who commanded her after transfer to their navy. He said they felt exactly the same way about the ship.

[@DaveJMcGarry]

Ambuscade is coming home. She's heading for Glasgow as a museum ship after being donated by the Pakistan Navy

[@iainmacdonald1170]

@@DaveJMcGarry Thanks, Dave I’d read that too. Fantastic if it comes off but I hope they realise the huge upkeep costs involved even after (presumably) they return her to her RN fit. If they open a crowdfund I’d certainly contribute.

[@greyfriar9008]

The greyhounds of the sea. A toast to all members of the 21 Club.

[@robinpayne125]

I believe the Flower Class corvettes that helped win the battle of the Atlantic were a private builder design. My personal understanding is the melting aspect of the aluminium construction is rather overstated, although there were other problems with the aluminium superstructure concept.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Yes, that is correct. Smiths Dock Ltd of Middlesbrough provided a version of their 700 ton whaler Southern Pride as this class of ship.

[@darrenshiels4963]

Served on ARROW F173. Great ships and loved my their crews.

[@JS97278]

Respect, I just bought a watch that was bought from the NAFFI in 84 by a serving officer on board Arrow

[@ross.venner]

Apart from the fated HMS Captain, please don't forget the private designs for WW1 destroyers, all the way to the V & W classes and the A class destroyers that followed in the 1930s.

[@asd36f]

The sale to Pakistan proved controversial. The Defence Export Sales Organisation (DESO) was attacked for getting rid of the ships without inviting British companies to bid for the lucrative job of modernising and upgrading them. As a result of DESO's haste to get the Type 21 off their books, they underwent a major modernisation with equipment and weaponry from a variety of European suppliers.

[@HowM771]

I am absolutely obsessed over these ships. It's really nice to look at and armed to the teeth

[@josephdioneda2881]

Our country should have this type of surface naval shield after its great service in the Royal Navy, too bad they never knew.

[@TREVORALLMAN]

My brother served on HMS Amazon as a CPO(R) from 1988 to 1991. Whilst he admitted they looked nice, he didn't rate them highly as a warship, saying they were basically only good for chasing drug dealers in the Caribbean, for flying the flag around the globe and holding parties for dignitaries. He also stated that the lack of a long-range radar wasn't really a problem, as only being armed with Sea Cat missiles, there was not much they could do even if they spotted an enemy aircraft coming into attack.

[@johnboothr1]

Ambuscade was my one & only skimmer in the mob.

[@tamzidkarim9402]

PNS Tariq, Tipu Sultan, Shahjahan and Khaiber are in service with Pakistan Navy, due to be replaced by Type 054AP class FFG by 2021. Currently 2 out of 4 of these frigates are armed with 2x4 Harpoon AShM's and remaining two armed with Chinese 1x6 cell launcher LY 60 SAM. All 4 frigates have 20mm Phalanx CIWS mounted on its aft deck.

[@QasimAli-to5lk]

Tariq was the last remaning and was retired last year and was donated to the Royal Navy

[@tamzidkarim9402]

@@QasimAli-to5lk Yes she finally got retired last year. Although it'd be better if she was preserved as a museum ship in Pakistan, like the Daphne class submarine PNS Hangor.

[@dih9788]

Seacat GWS 22. Great against Stukas.

[@comeslittorissaxonici7395]

Plenty of privately designed ships between Captain & Type 21 - Agincourt, Canada, Erin, Triumph, Swiftsure, Mersey, Humber .... etc.

[@benwilson6145]

Flower Class Corvettes

[@comeslittorissaxonici7395]

@@benwilson6145 Sort of. Admiralty adaptation of a commercial design, like "Strath", "Mersey" and "Castle" trawlers, MFVs etc. Conversely, most WWI destroyer classes had variants from Thorneycroft and Yarrow with their own take on the Admiralty spec, as were the two "A"s when destroyer building restarted inter war. The Hunt 4s were another example of the type.

[@iceman7975]

The porsches of the fleet

[@thecurlew7403]

Were they any good a few were sunk .

[@dih9788]

T21s were based in Guzz Devonport, Plymouth.

[@PeteCourtier]

Di H My dad fixed plenty of these in Devonport👍 A few 23’s are in refit now.

[@jonellison9832]

Radar Type 992Q had a maximum range of 80 to 90 miles. (Former 992Q Maintainer)

[@andron2348]

Oh what??? it's "LEP - PARD"

[@seanhogan6273]

No cracks in the hull just the aluminium superstructure predominately 3 deck.

[@Cous1nJack]

How can it be superstructure and 3 deck?

[@harryjohnson9215]

Yes someone uses the correct name for aluminium.

[@dih9788]

Beautiful ships ;-)

[@spider45webster]

I thought the Exocets were positioned same as the 22,s. Left fires right, right fires left.

[@obiphil8672]

Beautiful but really poorly armed. Til the Exocet installation, the 3000 ton ship only had 1 gun,1 almost useless point defence AA missile system. a chopper and llight anti sub torpedoes.

[@ianmcfadyen4819]

Nice looking ships. I'd feel safer serving on sturdier steel ones, though.

[@DaveJMcGarry]

Any ship on fire is just as bad!

[@Assassinus2]

“Aluminium, or, as you guys in America call it, aluminum.” Priceless.

[@TheShipYard2]

Not my fault Americans can’t English 😂

[@petesheppard1709]

We talk 'Murrican!! :D

[@reluctantheist5224]

"Miss - iles "rather than" missls" if you want to be British in that too.

[@eamon821]

Do you think these vessels were a waste of money a d instead the funds used to build the more type 22 frigates or better type 42 destroyers?

[@paultanton4307]

From what I have read about these the answer is not really - it was more about the Capacity to Design and Build Escorts at the time rather than just the cost.The Designers at Bath were busy enough with the T22/42 plans and there wasn't any spare Shipyard Capacity for building another class that's why Vosper Thornycroft were bought in as they could provide the finished product independently.

[@TheShipYard2]

As bad as the design was, a hull Is a hull, and in modern days more hulls the better. Modern warfare is to quoted boss is “a dick measuring contest” and tbh, that’s what it is

[@comeslittorissaxonici7395]

@@paultanton4307 Also needed to show RN buying Vosper designs to make export sales. Probably better to have built another 6 Leanders.

[@thecurlew7403]

They look mor corvette than figate no antiaircraft missile other than seacat.

[@toveychurchill6468]

Do you think building warships with civilian contractors would make military info at risk during the cold war or, today?

[@toomanyuserids]

The RN is very lucky it survived the bumbling stupid that was the Seacat.

[@shaukatjahangir1396]

I was served on two of them

[@petershepherd3458]

Missile not missle!

[@christinehogan865]

When are you going to make another tutorial?

[@TheShipYard2]

Nope, this is the wrong channel for minecraft

[@christinehogan865]

Oh sorry

[@DaveJMcGarry]

F185 HMS Avenger (PNS Tippu Sultan) was sunk as a target in April 2020. Old ships. Fair winds and following seas.

[@dih9788]

HMS LEOPARD CLASS

[@leemoores9830]

Cat class frigates - I served on HMS LYNX

[@masoodkhan73]

i also pakistan navy and type 21 frigate use in pakistan navy

[@TheFilwud]

Pronunciation lesson time: Rothesay is not pronounced Roth-er-sea, it is pronounced Roth-sea. Ignore the "er".

[@benstubbs4150]

Roth-Say? x

[@reluctantheist5224]

​@@benstubbs4150Yeah. 'Rothsay'

[@callmecorey4206]

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