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Should Britain ban cousin marriage? - With Dr Nazir Afsal

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@KJ-js7pi
@KJ-js7pi 9 күн бұрын
How far the UK has fallen that this even needs to be discussed.
@andrewhotston983
@andrewhotston983 9 күн бұрын
No, the jury isn’t out on the scientific evidence!!! It's very, very clear. Acceptance of this practice condemns individuals to difficult, painful, limited lives. Making cousin marriage illegal is the humane thing to do! But our society is now more concerned with appeasing medieval cultural practices than being humane and making progress.
@sophiahitch726
@sophiahitch726 9 күн бұрын
@andrewhotston983 Cousin marriage is banned in Philippines and I have never seen an inbred ever... It is not because of inbred...but because it's healthy that cousins dont marry each other
@Antonia-t3p
@Antonia-t3p 9 күн бұрын
This whole presentation was a muddying of the waters as to stop the bleedin obvious leading to a ban .
@tkm238-d4r
@tkm238-d4r 9 күн бұрын
It is kind of interesting that this country loves to offend China when it comes to social, cultural and political differences while at the same time is worried about offending Pakistan when it comes to similar issues.
@golfbulldog
@golfbulldog 9 күн бұрын
Be wary of the "genetic defect" argument ...there is no doubt that it exists and is a real risk, especially for a nation with welfare state having to pick up the bill, but there would be medical ways if getting around that...genetic testing and screening etc.... Don't use genetic as the cornerstone of the argument. Don't let then concede 1st cousins but allow 2nd cousins to continue. The real argument is that any cousin marriage is an inward culture, one that highlights and strengthens extended familial/tribal loyalty over national loyalty. It promotes "clannish" mentality which we see in travellers etc. They live by their laws and enjoy putting one over on the outward looking and law abiding british citizens. The real problem is their pseudo religion itself.
@MyFluXx
@MyFluXx 9 күн бұрын
@@Anyideas14completely wrong take I’m afraid. You have a choice of who you marry and if you select your cousin you are also accepting a chance of reduced life quality for your child WHEN YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO DO OTHERWISE. If you’re disabled you still have the right to have children but you don’t have the option to avoid passing down any recessive genes therefore you gain sympathy, as you said, because you have the right to have children. We have to agree on a set of rules as a society if we are to share and prosper from our collective pooling of resources. If you want access to the NHS or education you should also make the choice to avoid marrying your cousin. Play your part in the collective effort of your community rather than actively burdening other tax payers with your, in my opinion, disgusting sexual preference of familial marriage
@htflsteve
@htflsteve 9 күн бұрын
How sad that we are even talking about this. Anyone who is over fifty remembers a time in this country, when we had never heard of FGM, forced marriage, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sharia law. The western world has moved on from this medieval BS.
@avallons8815
@avallons8815 9 күн бұрын
Great comment spot on, this stuff should stay in the rear view mirror
@hughoxford8735
@hughoxford8735 9 күн бұрын
I’d never even heard of Islam growing up in the eighties. Seems unbelievable now but perfectly true.
@janeawdry8182
@janeawdry8182 9 күн бұрын
We had moved on. But we’re being dragged back into the dark ages by a religion that will brook no criticism. On pain of death. We are entering a time of global cultural flux brought on by the crash of cultures. And I mean ‘crash’. Cultural change used to happen gradually, but it is now happening at such a rapid rate that it’s causing a real rip-current in the historical & fundamental mores of many countries that never considered what mass instant migration would entail. And we are all paying the price.
@uk145
@uk145 9 күн бұрын
I had no idea it was legal in the UK until the last few weeks.
@harry.flashman
@harry.flashman 9 күн бұрын
@@janeawdry8182 Nicely put. I think we should never have facilitated the predicament we are in. Our do good attitude has enabled many countries, esp in ME to grow considerably post ww2. Without western aid and medicine etc many of these countries would have failed a long time ago. We created this.
@TuftyMeadows
@TuftyMeadows 9 күн бұрын
If these daughters were free to marry who they want, they probably wouldn't pick their first cousin.
@varunsharma3532
@varunsharma3532 8 күн бұрын
@@TuftyMeadows religious ones might
@nogorman560
@nogorman560 9 күн бұрын
This should be banned to stop violence against Women and children as well as genetic defects
@SingSing-g3c
@SingSing-g3c 9 күн бұрын
In Sweden, we didn't need to make it illegal...until now
@64SGH
@64SGH 9 күн бұрын
It probably wasn't common enough to worry about until recently.
@jdg9999
@jdg9999 9 күн бұрын
Again, this is the problem, we're being forced into a more and more authoritarian society to deal with the consequences of the importation of huge numbers of people from alien societies.
@Alsoleburgervan
@Alsoleburgervan 9 күн бұрын
It's the same here, it was so frowned upon back in the day it wasn't deemed necessary to bring it into law 😡🥵🤢🤮
@mISSsophisa
@mISSsophisa 8 күн бұрын
yes, I had to confirm my age with an ID while collecting a woman’s disposable razors and a potato peeler and they’re talking about doing the same for bleach!🤯
@jaisriram295
@jaisriram295 9 күн бұрын
How is this even a question is ridiculous that this is even still allowed in modern Britain
@Winter_Of_Civilisation
@Winter_Of_Civilisation 9 күн бұрын
Because the leadership class are too busy stealing all the money to care hahaha
@RichardEnglander
@RichardEnglander 9 күн бұрын
They will ban smoking and drinking, boxing, whatever the Nanny State decides, but not this. We know why.
@terencefield3204
@terencefield3204 9 күн бұрын
Say why and Get some Balls
@NiSiochainGanSaoirse
@NiSiochainGanSaoirse 8 күн бұрын
No politician wants to end up like a Charlie hebdo journalist. That's the cold hard truth. We are being forced to suffer this islamic cancer because our elected officials are terrified of upsetting them and risking having their heads lopped off.
@terencefield3204
@terencefield3204 8 күн бұрын
I think you’re being far too kind of the so-called frightened politicians. They are in fact, deeply corrupted wish to see mass inward migration, and wish to see these people voting on block for them, and have no care at all for the indigenous. That’s the bloody awful truth.@@NiSiochainGanSaoirse
@mindfulmw
@mindfulmw 9 күн бұрын
Yes, we don't want incest thank you
@terencefield3204
@terencefield3204 9 күн бұрын
It seems vast numbers do! Ensure that
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility 9 күн бұрын
First of all you have to define what constitutes incest, because that varies by country/state world wide. I imagine that the definition can vary by community in some places. Certainly where those communities are isolated and/or the gene pool is very limited.
@Geeronimo99
@Geeronimo99 9 күн бұрын
Incest is keeping it in the family. Simple. The 1st degree incest is within parents and their children. 2nd is cousins uncles aunties. Once birth defects occur youve inbred even cousins into 1st degree.... Royal families hid the danaged babies from public scrutiny before they evolved. Village idiots came from a similar incest when farming communities interbred. Its seen as a joke now. But the life of village idiots isnt a happy one.
@mindfulmw
@mindfulmw 9 күн бұрын
@@FC-PeakVersatility Agreed, we should have a definition under UK law and UK law only in this country. Other countries can do what they please, that is the normal way of things.
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility 8 күн бұрын
@@mindfulmw we already do. It is illegal to have s* relationships between Parent, grandparent, child, grandchild Brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister) Nephew or niece Uncle or aunt (by blood) but not cousins
@KimThomas-vp4vm
@KimThomas-vp4vm 9 күн бұрын
It's because of people like Dr Nazir Afal that TR is a "political prisoner", Brits not allowed to raise the serious cultural issues in the UK, we shall not be silenced. Freedom of Speech is enshrined in international Human Rights Law. So is the Human Right of Dissent, enshrined in international law.
@Antonia-t3p
@Antonia-t3p 9 күн бұрын
He did get rather pompous when he mentioned TR didnt he " who's real name is ...'
@tomwright9904
@tomwright9904 9 күн бұрын
Hmm... ignoring a not very restrictive court order does not make you a political prisoner
@KimThomas-vp4vm
@KimThomas-vp4vm 9 күн бұрын
@@tomwright9904 Years of trumped up charges does make you a political prisoner. Julian Assange was also a political prisoner.
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility 9 күн бұрын
​@@tomwright9904 if the court had protected the children involved, as requested, there would have been no reason to.
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility 9 күн бұрын
​@@KimThomas-vp4vm neither is TR anywhere near far right nowadays. I'm not particularly sure he ever was, whether his dealings brought him in contact with other groups who were or not. Mind you, given our current PM's redefinition of the term, even I am far right these days 🤷
@scolexuk
@scolexuk 9 күн бұрын
Why is this even a question? Our culture is in no way "enriched" by such practices. Why do we not hear an outcry about this manifestation of "cultural imperialism" on the part of these uninvited guests?
@jak4bud
@jak4bud 9 күн бұрын
I thought it was already banned, morally if not legally.
@KimThomas-vp4vm
@KimThomas-vp4vm 9 күн бұрын
I always thought first cousin marriage was banned in the UK. Of course it should be banned for health reasons.
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility 9 күн бұрын
In that case so should pregnancy in older females - where the risk of defect is potentially higher.
@KimThomas-vp4vm
@KimThomas-vp4vm 9 күн бұрын
@@FC-PeakVersatility First cousins is about genetics. Has far as older women, there is a health risk at all ages. A friend's babies mama died while giving birth. My gran had two heart attacks while giving birth. However, my cut off point for having more children was age 40. Because around ten years to 15 years later women have the menopause to deal with. And the last thing a teenager requires is a mother that is menopausal. It's not fun for the mother either having to deal with the drama of teenagers when she doesn't feel well herself.
@KimThomas-vp4vm
@KimThomas-vp4vm 9 күн бұрын
@@FC-PeakVersatility Genetic health risk is different to health risk from an ageing mother. However, even young mothers can die giving birth and some do. My gran even had two heart attacks while giving birth.
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility 8 күн бұрын
@KimThomas-vp4vm there's a higher risk of genetic anomalies from aged mothers
@LemonScreech
@LemonScreech 9 күн бұрын
Of course we should. I actually thought we had made it illegal already. Why haven’t we?
@hooligan9794
@hooligan9794 9 күн бұрын
I hope Britian is enjoying its cultural richness and diversity.
@dawnsmith2511
@dawnsmith2511 9 күн бұрын
We are very much not
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility 9 күн бұрын
It's not Britain, or not just, it's the entire West
@hooligan9794
@hooligan9794 9 күн бұрын
@FC-PeakVersatility True enough.
@Geeronimo99
@Geeronimo99 9 күн бұрын
Fed up with it. Like most.
@Geeronimo99
@Geeronimo99 9 күн бұрын
Anybody who lets their nephew in a bedroom with their own daughter should be holidaying at his majesty.s pleasure. Full stop.
@bear4772
@bear4772 9 күн бұрын
Yes it should be banned. We are not a third world country, we developed. We should NOT be importing or reverting back to third world practices.
@Geeronimo99
@Geeronimo99 9 күн бұрын
Halal meat needs banning as well
@Ermengrabby
@Ermengrabby 9 күн бұрын
When in grad school I attended a talk on the impact on cousin marriages on European royalty. The big takeaway was that occasional cousin marriages have little impact on genetic diversity, BUT repeated cousin marriages generation after generation are terrible for genetic outcomes. The problem in many Asian communities is that this practice is repeated over and over (as it was in European dynasties like the Hapsburgs). Using data from the occasional cousin marriages will not reveal this risk.
@Blurbblurb
@Blurbblurb 9 күн бұрын
I’ve been saying this for a while.
@bikasitaacharya220
@bikasitaacharya220 9 күн бұрын
This video represents points of discussion which are not clear. And more political and diplomatic.
@mimmiekgaditse1517
@mimmiekgaditse1517 9 күн бұрын
How sad that you even have to debate this as the once great England. Return to Christ who gave you that beautiful country in the first place
@formxshape
@formxshape 9 күн бұрын
18:55 “their communities”?? Erm the community is the UK. Integrate or leave. Replace ‘community’ with “separate race/culture/religion/ethic identity” because that’s how you are behaving, not assimilating to the ways of the local lands.
@richardfraser7024
@richardfraser7024 9 күн бұрын
Catholic and Protestant also have their communities. White and black. Middle and working class
@tomwright9904
@tomwright9904 9 күн бұрын
So freedom of association and individual freedom is a thing. But that doesn't mean we should respect these so-callwd communities or treat them like an entity. We can act like they are meaningless and in doing so undermine them.
@mISSsophisa
@mISSsophisa 8 күн бұрын
I hate when they use this term. it’s basically an euphemism for „those that won’t assimilate and won’t consider themselves british”
@khankrum1
@khankrum1 9 күн бұрын
YES! Most of them is never given any say in the matter!
@andrewcharlton2709
@andrewcharlton2709 9 күн бұрын
of course not, they may start to think what a obscene and degenerate thing it is
@carolinehurley2006
@carolinehurley2006 9 күн бұрын
one cousin marriage might not pose a huge risk, but inter-marrying within a small community over generations massively increases the risk. i know he's not a scientist, but that's common sense. and why should we have to pay to coax these people out of their backward beliefs about disability etc?
@frangoodall7091
@frangoodall7091 9 күн бұрын
Dr , Where is the far right? Who are the far right? What are the names of these far-right "organisations" or "political parties" in the UK? Tommy Robinson has the right to express his opinion. His opinion is shared by MILLIONS of people. I agree you should be educating these people who have such medaevil ideas about marriage despite being born in the UK. I suppose these education programs will be funded by the tax payer? Please stop using the non-existent "far right" bogey men for peoples inability to assimilate.
@avallons8815
@avallons8815 9 күн бұрын
Sad to say part of this video calls Tommy Robinson far right with the related statement that he opposes 1st cousin marriage for a silly reason. Tommy R is entitled to a point of view, even if you don't agree with it and even if it is silly or wrong, and entitled to speak out too. I don't agree with TR on this, but I abhor the insults repeated here and restiction of speech this commentator impies ought to be in place.
@thegatekeeper2901
@thegatekeeper2901 9 күн бұрын
There’s a reason why it’s controversial. Think about the children born into such a marriage. 😢 #incest
@mISSsophisa
@mISSsophisa 8 күн бұрын
it baffles me: every politician and analyst agreed that syria is ungovernable because it’s too varied, too multicultural and yet we’re creating another syria here
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
@EmperorsNewWardrobe 9 күн бұрын
This is a longer post but hopefully it’s worth it, regarding a book called British Islam and English Law by Patrick Nash that talks about cousin marriage as a turning point. On page 302, he talks about “types of group they endanger the nation, state, civil society and individual rights”, one of which is revolutionary religious groups and the other of which is transnational clans, which are “more widespread and cumulatively destructive by far. These kinship networks facilitate all manner of criminality and corruption: terrorist financing, money laundering, school misgovernance, election fraud, the toxification of politics, the disenfranchisement of young British Muslims, child sexual exploitation, drug trafficking, racial and religious hatred, misogyny and honour violence, forced marriage, cold-blooded murder, the obstruction of justice, and so forth.” He goes on to say “As to the deconstruction of clans, that requires little more than a halt to the inflow of consanguineous relationships via adequately enforced ban on cousin marriage up to and including second degree.” What might seem like an Islamic quirk is more likely to be an attempt to establish a deep and dangerous structure!
@Geeronimo99
@Geeronimo99 9 күн бұрын
Well...he got those bits right didnt he.
@formxshape
@formxshape 9 күн бұрын
This shouldn’t be debated in the UK. Those involved need to return to their ancestral lands and debate it there.
@colinmoore35
@colinmoore35 9 күн бұрын
Lots of "Us" and " Community " not a lot of society and accepted norms. Banning first cousin marige shouldn't even be a debate it should not be happening , just as forced marriage should not be happening
@trevorhoward2254
@trevorhoward2254 8 күн бұрын
Mr Afzal let the cat out of the bag in 2018 when he said in a BBC Radio 4 interview that a Home Office circular had been sent to every police force in the land, telling them not to investigate the Gr OOming gangs. He has been silent about this since and I wonder if his positions of governance, set out by him at the outset here, have something to do with that. Regardless of the above, he fails to understand the sheer exasperation the native population feels for m slim communities in this country. Cousin marriage being just the latest in a long list of problems they have brought to the country.
@PothePerson
@PothePerson 9 күн бұрын
What if the mother is over 35 AND married to her cousin?
@alhazed
@alhazed 9 күн бұрын
Why not get a biologist to contribute to this, rather than a solicitor?
@andrewcharlton2709
@andrewcharlton2709 9 күн бұрын
That would be asking too much
@indigophanta8288
@indigophanta8288 9 күн бұрын
Yeah its asking too much. Scientific knowledge and practice is too straightforward and logical for these people. They have to complicate it to twist it to their fascist ends and get control over people.
@carltaylor6452
@carltaylor6452 9 күн бұрын
Or a medical practitioner ...
@alhazed
@alhazed 9 күн бұрын
@carltaylor6452 It depends on that account, I'd rather have someone who can talk accurately about genetics, and the issues. Because that is where the ethical claims come from. A medical practitioner can just be a nurse, not good enough, I want the least biased opinions.
@EmilNicolaiePerhinschi
@EmilNicolaiePerhinschi 9 күн бұрын
The risk is small if the first cousins who marry are the _first_ to do it, if they are marrying first cousins or second cousins or third cousins etc. after a few hundred years of endogamous cousin marriage the risk might be as high as when siblings are getting married.
@xiaomoogle
@xiaomoogle 7 күн бұрын
Charles Darwin, not Charles Dickens, married his cousin.
@stephfoxwell4620
@stephfoxwell4620 9 күн бұрын
Yes. That would destroy the Monarchy.
@callum1131
@callum1131 9 күн бұрын
Why is this even being debated?
@hughoxford8735
@hughoxford8735 9 күн бұрын
To be fair it wasn’t uncommon in this country until a few generations ago. What’s frightening is that far from continuing to die out, the globalists have ensured it is resurgent.
@tomwright9904
@tomwright9904 9 күн бұрын
Real reason. The issue was chosen to create ethnic tension in the face of mass immigration. The real issue to me is the lack of integration it represents
@jasperknight5781
@jasperknight5781 9 күн бұрын
Quite possibly, but it in that case it only targets the Pakistani muslim community and some african muslim groups, not immigrants in general ​@@tomwright9904
@janholding5206
@janholding5206 9 күн бұрын
Does the risk of birth defects increase when the children of the 1st cousin marriage then go on to marry their 1st cousin who will be a product of a family of 1st cousin marriages in the same dynasty? hope that makes sense?
@timkinss
@timkinss 9 күн бұрын
Is Britain a country or an Economic Zone which will accept whatever mental laws aggressive colonising migrants demand of it? With Dr Nazir Afsal Let's see what Dr Nazir Afsal has to say. He's clearly who the Spectator has chosen to represent Britain Or not. Bye everyone
@avallons8815
@avallons8815 9 күн бұрын
Great comment
@indigophanta8288
@indigophanta8288 9 күн бұрын
Very true. Lets listen to what Dr Nazir Donkey Afsal has to say. I hate that I have to share a passport with these people.
@bibalou309
@bibalou309 9 күн бұрын
Criticise Islam? Faaaar right.. That's a deflective prejudice.
@IainFrame
@IainFrame 9 күн бұрын
Interesting discussion, although he undermined his argument by asserting that Robinson is "far right".
@louisetrott5532
@louisetrott5532 9 күн бұрын
Hear hear.
@ianbarnes8593
@ianbarnes8593 9 күн бұрын
Just Ban it.
@mikefish8226
@mikefish8226 9 күн бұрын
The answer is obviously yes, the fact we need to discuss....
@stevenrichardson1843
@stevenrichardson1843 9 күн бұрын
Don't agree with Nazir but this was excellent, a nuanced insider perspective. If you don't listen you don't learn.
@jasperknight5781
@jasperknight5781 9 күн бұрын
21:58 and I paraphrase: 'the jury is out on whether first cousin marriage has genetic health risks' - these are beliefs which I really don't see as being compatible with those of the general population
@terencefield3204
@terencefield3204 9 күн бұрын
Try and get that bloody Starmer and his crew to agree to anything that diminishes their voting base
@Dr.Stacker
@Dr.Stacker 9 күн бұрын
Im a muslim from the balkans and topics like this aren't even something to be discussed in our region. Muslims from the eastern hemisphere on the otherhand are just too rigid with thier views and practices, not willing to accept that other cultures adopt it differently. Quite often I've personally experienced hilarious forms of guilt tripping to suggest our conservative take on religion is somehow of lesser quality. This is where I think the problem is wrongly targetted at religion and instead should be highlighted as a difference in culture.
@mISSsophisa
@mISSsophisa 8 күн бұрын
yes, it’s a cultural instead and not a religious issue. the problem is that those who protect it use religion as an excuse to do it. So, basically „bad” muslims spoil it for everyone
@dunkace
@dunkace 9 күн бұрын
The craziest thing about this being in the news recently, is that i already thought it was banned...thought it is certain groups that "you shouldnt name" who take part in it.
@nihilistlivesmatter
@nihilistlivesmatter 9 күн бұрын
If group A decide to continue with harmful cultural norms because group B are critical of it I think that tells you all you need to know about both groups
@trevorhoward2254
@trevorhoward2254 8 күн бұрын
"Ammunition" to the "far right" (sic.) is the real issues which Mr Afzal's community thinks only they should talk about? Seriously? They want to live in this country but others here must not talk about the problems their presence here brings to them?
@GonzaloAPH
@GonzaloAPH 9 күн бұрын
How is this issue controversial?
@Blichens
@Blichens 9 күн бұрын
How would they know if it is a cousin? The surnames are different for men and women within the same family. How would they know that the wife coming from Asia is actually a cousin?
@faridkot20
@faridkot20 9 күн бұрын
genetic testing before marriage
@GyllenkroksAve
@GyllenkroksAve 9 күн бұрын
The problem is that cousin marriages do preserve values & customs and thus create ”social bubbles” and a disintegrated society. Catholic Church prohibited cousin marriages and even marriages between second cousins for hundreds of years and the outcome was a very different society - a society with a wide fabric of relations and cohesion. Cousin marriages make assimilation more difficult. We should even argue against ethnic incest😉
@mimmiekgaditse1517
@mimmiekgaditse1517 9 күн бұрын
I don’t think he’s the right person for this job. H s you moderate while the UK is facing an extreme existential threat
@tomwright9904
@tomwright9904 9 күн бұрын
Communities communities communities. Communities shouldn't have rights. Communities shouldn't make decisions. Just individuals
@TheUtopiaStream
@TheUtopiaStream 9 күн бұрын
Imagine showing this to our ancestors who fought for our values and culture in World War 2? What a joke this country has become.
@shelleyphilcox4743
@shelleyphilcox4743 9 күн бұрын
If you marry your first cousin AND have children over the age of 35, what does that risk profile look like? And lets not forget the age of the father is also relevant but rarely discussed, as we still have a rather misogynist outlook that only discusses the risks and responsibilities of women who have their children at a more mature age. I invite people to have a look at those statistics. Whats the risk profile of first cousin marriage, with mother and father over the age of 35?
@SkepticalTeacher
@SkepticalTeacher 9 күн бұрын
Older fathers mean more autism and schizophrenia, look at the research. And this is just one example! There is more of a problem with women because we are born with all our eggs so they age, whereas sperm is new every time.
@louisetrott5532
@louisetrott5532 9 күн бұрын
How unfortunate that this speaker is so ignorant as to label Tommy Robinson 'far right'. Clearly he has bought the mainstream media propaganda. Tommy is not far right wing, he is simply sensible. He actually cares about his own community and the community of his country. I have always considered myself to be left wing but now in my early 60s I find that the things I have always believed are now called right wing. It's ridiculous and highly manipulative. I'm afraid that this makes me seriously question his judgement on other matters. As for who you can't marry, the Church of England has a table of affinity which tells you who you cannot marry (I.e. have children with). The Church of England is a state religion, so the state should be guided by it.
@shelleyphilcox4743
@shelleyphilcox4743 9 күн бұрын
@louisetrott5532 First cousin marriage is not banned by CofE and is not on the list of prohibited relationships. Probably because historically that would have made a very small pool for royalty marrying other Protestants, and secondly because it was rare amongst the majority. As time passed and the dangers were well understood, marrying cousins of any degree in the UK died out.
@kenfalloon3186
@kenfalloon3186 9 күн бұрын
It's rife in the pakistani moslem community.
@louisetrott5532
@louisetrott5532 8 күн бұрын
@@shelleyphilcox4743 Thank you for this useful comment.
@GregPodster133
@GregPodster133 8 күн бұрын
Stop giving them a platform. If they want to live in a Western country, adhere to Western laws and values.
@SkepticalTeacher
@SkepticalTeacher 9 күн бұрын
The over 35 mother thing is total bumkum, there aren't loads of kids with disabilities from that group, but there are from a certain group we aren't allowed to mention!
@charlottahogrelius7055
@charlottahogrelius7055 9 күн бұрын
If the risk is so small why do we see the consequences so often. Families with 4 or 5 children with disabilities. Seen it more than once. Some consequences are not so obvious. Aggressive behavior and poor self control are the most common ones.
@thegatekeeper2901
@thegatekeeper2901 9 күн бұрын
The point is should it even be under consideration at all? The outcome is not good by reason of children born into such 😢medically
@christophermiller4471
@christophermiller4471 9 күн бұрын
How about compulsory genetic counseling for all couples intending marriage and better education on the risks of first cousin marriage in schools?
@hannahb950
@hannahb950 9 күн бұрын
1st cousin marriage and civil partnerships should be banned legally to deter cousin marriage which will help avoid recessive genetic disorders in children, but if people want to co-habit or do special ceremonies they want to call marriage then 'have at it'.
@2slaza250
@2slaza250 8 күн бұрын
We must implement robust legislation to ban this abhorrent practice immediately. First cousin marriage should have been left in the Victorian era.
@nihilistlivesmatter
@nihilistlivesmatter 9 күн бұрын
If a community decide to continue with harmful cultural norms because of the so called 'far right' are critical of it I think that tells you all you need to know about both groups
@polyj343
@polyj343 9 күн бұрын
"I'm going to cherry pick the facts and talking points to promote my viewpoint" - Dr Nazir Afsal
@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 9 күн бұрын
More important than a ban on blasphemy
@vthompson947
@vthompson947 9 күн бұрын
7% chance of genetic health problems for the child of the first generation of first cousin marriage. But what if there are several generations? Does the genetic risk stay the same? Double? Rise exponentially?
@insertname3977
@insertname3977 7 күн бұрын
It rises by a lot the more insular a community becomes. It's already happening though which is the thing, there's a lot of these incest family being in very dire health situations because they're multiple generations of incest.
@advocate1563
@advocate1563 9 күн бұрын
We left bonkers UK for the wonderful IOM last year. People are cery midful here about this issue ased on the hstory of the isand which was extremely insular with a small population until the recent past. There are very real genetic implicatiins of first cousin marriage. To be avoided.
@bertrandrussell894
@bertrandrussell894 9 күн бұрын
They should but they won't. Worth noting that whenever this comes up it is *always* because of superstition.
@jamiearnott9669
@jamiearnott9669 9 күн бұрын
How sad that we are talking about this? Not least, recessive chromosome disorders, lack hybrid vigour, unnecessary and cruel suffering.😮
@matthewhodgson7388
@matthewhodgson7388 9 күн бұрын
Obviously
@turquoiseowl
@turquoiseowl 9 күн бұрын
ban bar baric non-st un ani mal slaug hter
@rossconran2333
@rossconran2333 4 күн бұрын
No it should ban whatever culture is open to cousin marriage
@Shalom491
@Shalom491 8 күн бұрын
Cousin marriages or incessant marriages should be banned
@chelseapoet3664
@chelseapoet3664 9 күн бұрын
I thought it was already illegal
@moniquebode1655
@moniquebode1655 8 күн бұрын
It should be banned. Who's going to look after the kids born of first cousins? The state?
@virginiawai8485
@virginiawai8485 5 күн бұрын
In my humble opinion, it is sad that in the UK, in 2024, this topic is a topic for debate. Especially first cousin marriage.
@macklee6837
@macklee6837 2 күн бұрын
Why tf isn't it banned anyway?
@noramaddy4409
@noramaddy4409 8 күн бұрын
The state has a responsibility to legislate, ban cousin marriage, to protect the children. If the state refuses to make this legislation, then future impaired children resulting from these medieval marriages can sue the state for large compensation payouts.
@TzviPomerantz
@TzviPomerantz 9 күн бұрын
As a member of a Jewish community which had these faults until recently, I would suggest that the passage of time and the assimilation of those concerned into the wider community will be the most important step towards cure. About a century ago, two members of my extended family, first cousins, married. I doubt very much that it was totally free. This was in the USA. Their daughter was normal, and is currently alive and reasonably well for her age, in her mid nineties. In my parents' generation, in Australia and France, my grandmother tried to control who her children married. In one case, the son left and cut off all contact with the family. In the other case, her son waited until his mother died and then married the woman of his choice. In my generation, born about the nineteen forties, there were a few sporadic attempts to control the marriage of the children. There was occasional nasty damage to the child, but it was unusual, and did not get past damage. Since the mid sixties it has been abandoned, and parents accept the children's choice. In our section of Judaism, forced marriage and attempted forced marriage involved pressure on sons as much as daughters. In my view, forced marriage, while nasty, is only one symptom of a refusal to assimilate associated with a contempt for children, and the refusal to assimilate and the contempt for children are much worse problems. The passage of time will slowly fix this, helped by the disastrous effects of stupid behavior on the families concerned.
@golfbulldog
@golfbulldog 9 күн бұрын
Don't get lost in the argument of birth defects. Any form of clannish cultural practice should be rejected. We see this in social class and the historic restrictions that placed on marriage, we see it in a mixture of religions. We want outward looking citizens, not inward looking clans.
@insertname3977
@insertname3977 7 күн бұрын
The issue is this isn't a recent issue, we do have communities that are already several generational inbred, and their children are dying or are so crippled that they'll never be able to function in society if they even live long enough to find that problem.
@jdg9999
@jdg9999 9 күн бұрын
This is one of those unfortunate things where the UK is being forced to do something that didn't need the force of law before. I know this is a minor "freedom" to give up, but still. Similar to the recently announced limits to homeschooling, both are because of mass immigration of people from different cultures. (and as an actual traditionalist, I'm not one to reflexively attack Islam from the left as many Western "centre-right" conservatives do, for being insufficiently liberal)
@Lashb1ade
@Lashb1ade 7 күн бұрын
Completely ignoring the biggest issue with cousin marriage - the development of insular clan structures that reinforce class and caste structures, and bring dangerous sectarianism. The European taboo against cousin marriage is one of the main reasons why Europe became an individualistic, high trust, low crime society.
@vivienbedani6541
@vivienbedani6541 9 күн бұрын
I’m amazed it is allowed. I thought it was already banned. I think it is not allowed by the Church
@emeralddreams8440
@emeralddreams8440 8 күн бұрын
Mr Afzal is a bit of an apologist!
@doctorwoohoo1152
@doctorwoohoo1152 8 күн бұрын
1994 : I bet in the future we'll have flying cars and time-travel and teleportation. 2024 :
@eduardodavies3545
@eduardodavies3545 9 күн бұрын
This doctor is a hero.
@saqh.4439
@saqh.4439 9 күн бұрын
A well awaited topic 👏
@lobstermash
@lobstermash 8 күн бұрын
It's not a good argument to say that cousins married because they lived in a small village with few choices. Numerous traditional societies organised their social relations around avoiding incest and often had a taboo on marrying someone from the same village. Communities would meet up with members of a distant community precisely to arrange non-kin marriages. A ban on incest is a very common cultural norm.
@mrbritisher9748
@mrbritisher9748 9 күн бұрын
Why would you even want to marry your cousin......
@CaptainWalrus77
@CaptainWalrus77 6 күн бұрын
Mississippi doesn't even allow cousins to wed.
@catherineallinson8562
@catherineallinson8562 8 күн бұрын
I'm listening to this and conclude that it's wrong for Dr Afsal to discuss the issue of cousin marriages when he has only superficial knowledge of the medical issues involved. It may well be the case that the first generation of cousin marrages has a relatively low rate of genetic problems, but the problem quickly escalates when the products of first cousin marriage also marry their first cousin. That is what is happening in places like Birmingham and it leads to the very high incidence of damaged children. Enough already - he then decides to muddy the waters by suggesting that Tommy Robinson has spoken out against it - so naturally a ban on cousin marriage could be regarded as a far right intrusion on accepted Islamic practices. the more I see of Islam the more I feel it has nothing to add to Judeo Christian civilisations.
@catherinesummers5057
@catherinesummers5057 9 күн бұрын
Of course
@ayazmahmood4449
@ayazmahmood4449 6 күн бұрын
Cousin marriages have been going on for decades but who are they bothering now?
@anuragsinha2013
@anuragsinha2013 8 күн бұрын
At what point of time the viewers realise, "How did we go from Christopher Hitchens to Mehdi Hassan?"
@africanayasmin6210
@africanayasmin6210 8 күн бұрын
@@anuragsinha2013 well they have taken over every facet of your institutions, and taking over your land, and are in charge of most councils, Are MPs , doctors… Your own people refuses to get to school; have turned into d r u g s and alcoholic drinks and sadly are addicted to it and have been dis powered and blind to see what your country is turning into.
@williamvorkosigan5151
@williamvorkosigan5151 9 күн бұрын
WASPY women get equality and want compensation. This is an outrage. They have better than equality. For equality women and men should have the same amount of time in retirement but women live longer. If anyone should be paying compensation, it should be women who were able to retire earlier than men up until now.
@edwardTisk-ix8nj
@edwardTisk-ix8nj 9 күн бұрын
NOW, I realize what is wrong with Britain...!
@alanrobertson9790
@alanrobertson9790 9 күн бұрын
Impressed by the rationality apart from the worry that Tommy Robinson might also support restrictions on cousin marriage. The validity of ideas does not depend on who supports them. That is an irrational attitude, as is all labelism. The speaker, clearly an intelligent man must already know that.
@grahamjacob97
@grahamjacob97 8 күн бұрын
In at least one of the cousin marriages that I know of there was opposition to the marriage. This was in Australia between white Australians. I think all couples should attend counselling prior to marriage - there are a lot of reasons other than the potential partner is your cousin to not go ahead. Generational cousin marriage is a problem - and there is no doubt that there is "pressure" if not outright coercion for some couples to marry. There are cultural practices that are quite different from those traditionally in the UK and more widely in Europe. I wouldn't want to ban cousin marriage outright but I would like to see it prevented where it's clearly not in the interests of at least one of the people involved but they are not strong enough to prevent it.
@bikasitaacharya220
@bikasitaacharya220 9 күн бұрын
We are in the UK - so statistics and science should be talked in line with tax payer's money.
@wendyandrew3707
@wendyandrew3707 7 күн бұрын
Perhaps Nazir should have a debate with Tommy Robinson.
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