Jordan Peterson: how the West forgot the lessons of Christianity

[@williampaul8556]

I love to watch Jordan ponder each question and his mind searching for truth and accuracy in his answers. I admire and respect his care.

[@graham6132]

Lmao. More like he ponders how he’s going to BS, obfuscate, and get out of directly answering any questions he’s ever asked. He’s literally a post-modernist.

[@jamesflynn4741]

Clarification of the nature of faith might be useful. I once lost my 'faith' but in hindsight all I lost were passive vague feelings. Faith is an action of will , a choice that can disregard involuntary, irrational mood. I found that helpful in finding faith again (or the 1st time). The Act of Faith. It is a muscle in a way. Sincerely, random sinner

[@RoseSharon7777]

Yes Faith is an "action" term. If you don't exercise it, then you don't possess it. Its not a "thought" term but a DO term. This is what I discovered about my denomination. A lot of talk, no action. Just works of the flesh. And yet people all around me thought they were "saved" by "grace". Grace is metted out to those who SHOW their "faith" and DO what is required. (Moral Commandments). The works or rituals of the flesh is what is rejected by our Father. I.e. going TO church, weekly prayers meetings that never amount to anything, tithing which only benefits the preacher, volunteering to work like a dog at the "church" which benefits no one in need, etc. I got sick of the whole ridiculous phoney game and discovered the truth by reading the Bible for myself using a lexicon. I'll never step foot in another one of these structures created by men and never ordained or required by God. Pure waste of time. My money goes to whom I choose needs it; and I refuse these ridiculous pagan holidays passed off as "holy" days. Absolutely nothing biblical about any of it. I got off the broad road and found the narrow way. It was lonely at first but more and more people have joined in walking the same path I am. There truly is pure freedom away from "religion. God never created any religion, men did. We are to LIVE out faith daily and that is our witness not a bunch of empty words and fancy dress up on SUNday to prove to everyone how holy we think we are. Same rituals day in day out, year in year out, generation after generation until several mellinia have passed and the people still living in the same sin and have never gotten true victory over any of it. (Because they've been taught they don't have to Because someone else already covered it all for them. The biggest lie ever perpetrated on mankind.

[@jamesflynn4741]

@@RoseSharon7777 Rose appreciate you telling me your experience. I'm on a different path, though I agree with much of your thoughts. The Sacraments of the Church have been reliable wellsprings for me, His works. They seem dead without Faith. With Faith, inexhaustible. Confession He used to rescue me from sin. At Mass He never fails to transform my heart. God bless.

[@nicolamustard7232]

​@@jamesflynn4741 Amen to that, Mr. Flynn....

[@graham6132]

So faith in Islam is equally admirable?

[@MRHallAuthor]

A lot of us mature Christians passed through the phase Jordan is currently in of trying to explain Christianity objectively before committing. The commitment comes when you realise the stories have to be experienced, not analysed to a micro level. Christianity is not operating on your intellect but your soul. JBP will get there.

[@PerryWidhalm]

Christianity works on your magical thinking to produce whatever you think you need in this life .....

[@nnotny]

@@PerryWidhalm My, what a stunningly original insight! I've never heard of or thought such a thing before, and I'm sure nobody else has either. I'm sure you'll change a lot of hearts and minds with this never before expressed insight into the true nature of things.

[@BoreasCastel]

Actually, it's rare that people who study the Bible seriously remain Christian. You assume he'll arrive where you are but he's more likely to become an Atheist. It's the lukewarm Christians who you can rely on to keep their faith because it demands nothing of them. He's got a tremendous burden juggling those contradictions that vigilant Christians have to contend with.

[@GrandmaTudi]

@@nnotny there is no "magical thinking to produce ..." not in Christianity. That's not in Judeo-Christian teachings. LOL

[@GrandmaTudi]

@@PerryWidhalm don't be ridiculous. that's not a concept of Christianity. AT ALL.

[@andrewknight8778]

It helps me a lot, that Jordan is making this series of writings and talks. I was identifiably Christian once, and later became concerned about how labels can cut us off, and thus not hear true and beautiful messages from many inspired and educated folk. Now I see real trouble coming our way, and find I need Biblical study to help me through, to help me find a place within the whirlwind, the accelerating change, and the seeming madness on all sides. So I am grateful to Jordan for what he is doing and what he is.

[@canoedoc2390]

The belief that there is a transcendent God that has authored the physical and moral laws that govern the universe is one of the foundations of Western civilization. Our awareness of this, and our desire to align ourselves with these laws, is miraculous beyond imagination.

[@connorm2024]

There’s much more in that sense that can be attributed to moral and political thought in the Western political-philosophical canon without reference to a transcendent God, but instead to a transcendent Good - if you want to make that your God, then by all means (and by some very beneficial means), do.

[@dominicgraham5310]

Right, many of the great works of English literature (and other languages) are bursting with Christian wisdom, with a godly view of life and its purpose and what makes it true and good. The Bible is the where the Word can be heard, and our words in novels and poetry are their best when they reflect it. True understanding is to kneel before God. All true knowledge points to the mystery and love of Christ. The intellect and the emotions and the body are to be given for God, who made them. Simply follow Jesus

[@nicolamustard7232]

And receive Him in the sacraments 😉❤

[@GoodKarma22]

Jordan Peterson is fantastic and I agree with him on being a new kind of Christian. I’ve been disenchanted with the Catholic Church for decades.

[@P.H.888]

Living Faith in JESUS not religion.

[@Deathclaw.By.Design]

so glad we found Yeshua together Dr. Peterson, I found the Bible about 6 years ago. What a read!

[@graham6132]

lol. So you enjoyed all the incest, murder, genocide, infanticide, slavery, racism, misogyny, intolerance….?

[@briankepner7569]

For some time the kids aren't being taught to read as much as my generation. That's the lessons are not being learned. The kids are now making those mistakes and supporting ideologies that roll back the lessons hard to learn from history

[@mikiafu]

Such as falling prey to Peterson's demagoguery ?

[@jamesclark6487]

​@@mikiafuno, falling for the death cult Marx summoned upon this world. The hammer and sickle has been temporarily disguised with a corrupt rainbow.

[@toby_fred]

@@mikiafu it's complex - in the beginning he was trying to help lost young men foster honesty and responsibility. I think he became overwhelmed with the response and it deformed his character in a way that was impossible for him to preempt.

[@mikiafu]

@toby_fred yes it seems so, and he also became addicted, in the process

[@mikiafu]

@toby_fred yes it seems so, and he also became addicted, in the process

[@DrivenByDetails]

Regardless of whether you approve of everything he says or whether you don’t is not important. You’re able to listen to this intellectual for free in the comfort of your own chair. That is the privilege given to all humanity by You Tube.

[@opinion8ed]

Dear Dr. Peterson...The thief on the cross who displayed belief in Christ didn't "understand" and went to Paradise. God prioritizes belief over understanding. If my grand daughter wandered out into the highway and I call her back because she might get hurt out there. I need her to believe me and obey. I don't need her to ponder it and come to understanding in the middle of the highway.

[@nicolamustard7232]

But faith has to be an act of the intellect and will. Otherwise your faith will be tossed on the seas of changing emotions, life situations, and external influences.

[@opinion8ed]

@@nicolamustard7232 Since intellect can be developed, are you saying that smartest people go to Heaven? Tell me about the intellect of the thief on the cross.

[@timothycook5880]

The great thing about the Church of England is that it has a wide breadth of belief held by people so there is room for most people if they find a suitable parish. Freedom to agree, disagree and question. It can't be beaten in my view. A strength but also a weakness having such diversity.

[@RuneRelic]

Navigating a tapestery of pathways through time, to exist here at this moment in the present point of a journey, was/is/will be... through the process of sacrifice. Free will is choice. Choices require the abandonment of many potential paths, to follow one that is deemed.... necessary. Sometimes those choices at the nexus points of our destiny are crystal clear, sometimes shrouded in mystery with all that remains being a leap of faith....a dim hope that whispers at what could be.

[@peterbloch-hansen2062]

"In all your getting, get wisdom." Noah's wisdom is his openness, or receptivity to what God knows, to what opens to him when he "knocks" or actually looks to see what God is telling him/us.

[@GaryAndrienVansluys]

For the intellectual Understanding comes before Believing. If sought in an objective way one can arrive at a Belief in GOD, the Creator. This is arrived at through much diverse reading & contemplation . This process is described by Cant in his Critique of Pure Reason Chapter lll - Of the Ultimate End of the Natural Dialectic of Human Reason. With so much information at our disposal there is no excuse for being ignorant or dogmatic. The journey if undertaken is fascinating with many unforeseen turns along the way. GOD Bless all who travel along this pathway and may 2025 be peaceful & prosperous for You.

[@exeter66]

The HIERARCHY of DEPTH: the bible was the first MAP OF REASON/CRITICAL THINKING which has fed all other deep thinkers afterwards, which is why we need to bring it back as our children's foundational reading.

[@msdm83]

No major denomination of Christianity interprets the Bible anywhere close to how Peterson does.

[@stellifriends7785]

i think Jordan's description of belief and understanding fails to describe Christian faith; he once made the point that science involves an act of faith, in a process rooted in a belief in truth and reality, and that postmodernism undermines that, and thus postmodernism undermines and opposes science itself; but Christian faith is what leads to Christian understanding, and thus then to actual belief. Christian belief is fully contingent then upon faith. Christian faith founded a belief in truth and reality that led to science. Christian faith is a spiritual and thus moral thing, that is a gift of God; a supernatural thing, not a human thing dependant upon human understanding.

[@MichaelJPartyka]

It would be more correct for Dr. Peterson to say, "I'm not a typical NON-Christian," as he seems to be okay with pretending to a sort of pseudo-Christian identity. He would prefer that Christianity not be identified with belief in a certain set of facts, but that is at least part of what being a Christian means, and without that part you're not a Christian no matter how well you behave in accordance with Christian values.

[@DMilbury]

@@MichaelJPartyka Right, hence the numerous creeds written over the millennia describing the essential beliefs of the Christian faith. I’ve always appreciated Peterson’s work, but when you allegorize all of scripture, it tends to bring about adherence to principles without any connection to the principle giver, and is lifeless affection for rules. It’s not much different than Judaism really.

[@P.H.888]

@@DMilburytotally disagree with you analysis and outcome, JESUS Said HE Is I AM Pick up your cross and follow! HE gave The Holy Spirit And fulfilled the promises of The Old John 6 v 29 believe His Works ✝️🩸🕊️👑

[@P.H.888]

He obviously believes in Jesus and His death and Resurrection and Virgin birth and Ascension So obviously A Christian. Thankfully Not A Religious Man

[@DMilbury]

@@P.H.888 Where and when has this ever been made obvious by Jordan Peterson? I would love to have a link to a video or audio of him articulating this? He hasn’t even really ever articulated whether he truly believes in God or not, let alone the main tenets of the Christian faith that I am aware of? I would love to be proven wrong. I’m not completely sure what your first comment is getting at, but it seems maybe you are referring to faith vs works? We are to have both. Our works are supposed to born out of our faith.

[@MichaelJPartyka]

@P.H.888 No, he believes in none of those things. At least, he doesn't believe in their literal meanings. (Good luck actually getting a straight answer from him.)

[@perandersson4528]

If trump uses tariffs as a negotiation tool but not implementing them it is genious. But protectionism (that is the use of tariffs) lessens world trade, the variety of goods and the profit and GDP for all countries.

[@stephenlane9401]

Well yes in a sense but subsidy’s are generally the root of tariffs and are just as inhibitive to free ish trade

[@exeter66]

Trump just wants tyrantturd out. He's playing anti-narc games of humiliation.

[@NightsideOfParadise]

Trade isn't the highest value.

[@graham6132]

Jordan Peterson apparently hasn’t heard of any civilization outside Europe and North America. The Chinese have old stories too, so do the Indians, the Koreans, Japanese…..

[@rays1man892]

Psalm 111:2 Great are the works of the LORD, studied by all who delight in them.

[@jamesbass7981]

If you have trouble with your understanding of the Christ,ask and pray to God the Father in heaven for understanding and he will send the Holy Spirit to help you,if you are willing to believe in Jesus Christ the Son .

[@VANDERPOOL7778]

You have to look at the Old testament because when Jesus came he said he didn't come to do away with the old laws. So you must apply those in our times now. If we did, we wouldn't have the chaos that we have in all over the world right now. Jesus didn't come here to do away with the laws he came here too. Help the sinners. See the light

[@P.H.888]

HE Came to give dead people Eternal Life! His New Covenant! By Trusting implicitly in HIM ✝️🩸🕊️👑 He is The Resurrection

[@Nick3DvB]

Feynman on "understanding" - knowing something (in your bones) vs knowing the name(s) of something . . .

[@TJ-kk5zf]

Feynman's bones told him there was no God

[@nicolamustard7232]

I often think JBP is such a cryptic Catholic. But he knows that if he actually claimed he was Catholic, people might stop listening to him. He's a smart man. He knows how people in this culture work. But most of what he says and discusses is unapologetically Catholic. 😉😄🙏🏻

[@P.H.888]

Catholic = Universal YES Roman ~ No! Manmade religion. 🏃🏽

[@militaryandemergencyservic3286]

The Holy Spirit only came on the day of Pentecost. That is why the New Covenant is different to the Old Covenant. And similarly why the New Testament is different to the Old Testament.

[@P.H.888]

God anointed People who were in Covenant with Him like Kings Priests and Prophets for a time period ~ temporal. JESUS brought The Latter and Fuller Promises HE WAS BAPTISED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT as HE Came Up Out of The River Jordan! The Day of Pentecost was The Initial outpouring into Human beings!

[@rdenham4250]

Oh my! Remember to take off the Invisalign or whatever dental appliance before interviews, Dr. Peterson.

[@princessmay9921]

(written in haste...) Re understanding versus belief - and which come first.. Surely we necessarily move through both at different times, and at different intensities, throughout our lives. God has given us tools of poetry and creativity, the capacity to see beauty and feel awe, all of which contribute to our openness to spiritual experience - a "knowing there is something beyond/more". This is surely where a child starts, even if there is a period/s of rejection. God has given us powers of questioning and analysis and observation which we will and must apply, be it a hazard to belief. We must each negotiate a path through belief and doubt toward understanding. But this is not a linear path, since it ia a path of the mind, which means we may revisit the past and bring it with us at any time, ands likewise step into the future through our dreams. ((btw JP... that chair makes you look here as though you gave tense, raised shoulders. I think its the similar tone of the suit and chair ))

[@hablabamosa]

According to historians there was no "self-sacrifice". Jesus was an apocalyptic jew who called himself the king of the jews who was going to rule Israel. This secret was betrayed to the romans which got him executed since the romans do not accept people calling themselves kings. Which means that Jesus didn't expect and didn't want to get crucified.

[@gregorygan2077]

Nothing Christian about being a biblically adjacent philosophical atheist

[@LordFunzo]

To act is to believe and to pray is to have faith. God does not need labels.

[@jacqueschapel1283]

That’s not necessarily what JP is he’s paints a picture of the depth of the bible and the biblical stories. He is for sure not atheist he just doesn’t want ti be categorised as Christian but rather as a thinker

[@donjindra]

But perhaps better.

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

I’d be curious to learn what sort of steroids or TRT he’s on. Neck looks unnatural

[@MrAlliswell88]

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[@P.H.888]

Self fulfilling prophecy…. 2 Peter 3 v 3 Why did The eyewitness die rather than refuse The Resurrected Jesus? Why??

[@BabyDogOfJustice]

Another "I want to live in a Western Christian society but I don't want to be Christian". AKA I want to do what I want and enjoy safety within a Western Anglo Christian faith but not bound by it's moral codes.

[@exeter66]

As in all religions, I believe the INDIVIDUAL should be free to choose the LEVEL of his/her own religiosity. No religion should be mandated 100% because that would lose any of its godly FREE CHOICE element, which would certainly classify it as a CULT.

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

Jordan Peterson demonstrating his love of word salad.

[@theeredlion]

You are becoming a modern day Soloman by the grace of God

[@hezkyden]

Look at how Solomon turned out.

[@aylerayler]

Society? Noah left everyone to die. Insane

[@Jeremiah-x7q]

God literally told him to

[@luciadegroseille-noire8073]

The flood predicates the final judgement, where fate is elective: that is 'repent or die': 'not listening': 'repe .....'etc. 'Oh blast, say it one more time please'.

[@roslynj5263]

@@aylerayler have you read the Bible?

[@Project-Masculinity]

I believe God brought the Flood due to the Sinful Nature of the World, the Rainbow is his covenant with the World it wouldn’t happen again..

[@PerryWidhalm]

@@Jeremiah-x7q The your imaginery god is insane and not worthy of worship.

[@jasongarey8329]

Sadly, Dr Peterson places intellect and understanding before childlike faith.

[@lzzrdgrrl7379]

He said very explicitly that we moderns won't believe before and without understanding. Childlike faith is endearing, but we must grow up and recognise that belief is inevitable.......

[@jayjaychadoy9226]

I think personal experience is extremely vital. Childlike faith goes deep, like music 🎶. Understanding will come if we seek God with all heart, like reading his word. Studying.

[@hexagram531]

If all Christians from the beginning had sacrificed intellect and understanding to "childlike faith", there would have been no Letter to the Romans by Saint Paul, and there would have been insufficient theological speculations to create the Gospel According to Saint John. Without the clever and the analytical, as well as the kind of cognitively limited believers who can't even make it to the end of one of Peterson's paragraphs without their eyes glazing over, there wouldn't be any religions without any half-decent mental content at all. The owner of "childlike faith" sits there with his tongue hanging out, then saying "Hallelujah" and "Amen", while listening to a sermon from someone who can actually string a few sentences together. Or, in another tradition, bows toward Mecca or claims that Joseph Smith was telling the truth. God save us from "pure" childlike faith.

[@alicepavey974]

@jasongarey8329 people are all different, JP is an intellectual, that's his gift, so of course he's going to want to investigate matters in that way. There can be snares in that, of course, but there are snares in all human endeavour.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

@@hexagram531 "20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach2 to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. " - Paul the Apostle.

[@villevanttinen908]

This man talks too much, which is shame, he loses what is his core , what he really wants to say. When you talk too much you lost people, but good salesman speaks a lot.

[@robgoldin6464]

This is seriously second rate stuff from Peterson. Gove could have done a better job of probing the weaknesses in his arguments. Disappointing all round.

[@jacqueschapel1283]

@@robgoldin6464 don’t think it was that kind of discussion, JP invites us into understanding some of the depth of the bible, which like it or not has been the foundation of western society.

[@JCRezonna-dl5qz]

Very weak argument I agree. What got my goat the most is his claim that the falling birthrate is due to sexual hedonism. A much bigger factor is economic - you only have to find one of the plethora of "why I am leaving the UK" videos, and hearing the stories of frustration and exasperation from young men and women who know the only way they'll ever have a house, career and family is if they emigrate. The system, of which Peterson's interviewer is an exemplar has not just failed them, but has utterly and wilfully betrayed them. I was initially inspired by Peterson but his head is so far up his butt now.

[@chrismac2234]

Seeing what you want to see. "Al a carte religion doesn't impress me very much" Christopher Hitchens. Clearly you got your morality from within, not from an all seeing all knowing imaginary friend. A divine dictator. "nothing creates atheist quicker than reading that damned book" Pen Gillette

[@P.H.888]

Religion is Not The Same as True Living Spiritual Faith in JESUS CHRIST. Getting your morals from within 😂😂😂 from the monkey from the fish from the anemia Dog eat cat eat mouse eat bug

[@S.J.L]

Stop being a coward and talk about Indo European religion, the true, native and superior religion of Europe and beyond. The truth is an ultimate virtue.

[@harley7356]

@@S.J.L Neither Christianity or Indo-European Paganism will save the west we need a New Spiritual Path

[@S.J.L]

@harley7356 "Paganism" is an ethnic slur used in a genocide of Europe. It's Indo European religion, objectively in the same family as living traditions like Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Ossetianism, etc. You're right that Christianity is a liability. You're wrong about Indo European religion, a tree must have it's roots. These are the roots of Europe. Reject Yahwism, embrace, reform, reignite and renew native European tradition, religion and culture. It is the only thing that will save Europe, both East, West and beyond.

[@GrandmaTudi]

the spirit of adventure and the Spirit of Wisdom IS THE SAME THING???? lol :s actually, that's not funny. to say the very least, I disagree strongly IF he's referencing Wisdom of the Holy Bible. whatever. next!!! lol

[@Prunesquallor]

Well considering Peterson is a big fan of Nietzsche I find it hard to believe he's a Christian.

[@jbisntme]

I would challenge his argument if he had one. My problem with this individual is that he presents a schizophrenic argument as he goes around masquerading as an intellectual !

[@P.H.888]

🤖 A professor!

[@1234567marks]

No amount of word salad makes religion a palatable dish Jordan 🙄

[@opinion8ed]

How about this...... It is appointed to Man once to die and then the judgement.

[@DMilbury]

What makes you think religion, and Christianity specifically is supposed to be palatable? Are you familiar with what truly following Christ entails? Sometimes truth can be an acquired taste.

[@1234567marks]

@@DMilbury I didn’t say religion itself should be palatable, I was referring to his argument not making religion palatable. Personally though I don’t find any of the religions “palatable”, there is a direct and undeniable correlation between a persons place of birth and which religion they follow, I need no further proof that all religions are man made.

[@DMilbury]

@@1234567marks Your original comment definitely implied that religion should be palatable. You literally said, “no amount of word salad can make religion a palatable dish.” What else could be inferred from that? Are you familiar with the genetic fallacy? The origin of a truth claim has no relevance to its validity. Something cannot be considered true or false based on demographics and geography.

[@1234567marks]

@ Nope, you are still not getting it, my comment was aimed at Peterson, he is infamous for employing “word salad” in place of valid argument, he attempts to confuse his opponents using this tactic, it rarely works, especially when he attempts to do so with intellectual equals such as Dawkins or Harris, do you understand my point now?. My point regarding the fact that religions are created by man and not by a supernatural being (or beings) is valid, what I am saying is that if you are born to a Christian community you are overwhelmingly likely to become a Christian, if you are born to a Hindu community you are overwhelmingly likely to become a Hindu and so on, we are told the Jehovah is omnipotent, why then would his reach be so limited?, an all powerful god that was evidently incapable of reaching more than a handful of Iron age people and whose plan would be to then then rely on word of mouth to enlighten the rest of the earths population, a plan that has spectacularly failed when we consider the fact that over 2000 years after the coming of Christ only 32 percent of the world’s population is Christian , are we to believe that this is the work of an omnipotent god??, the fact remains that the place of your birth is the most powerful factor in deciding which of the many and varied religions you are most likely to believe in, this is strong evidence that religion is passed from human to human and that there’s zero supernatural involvement.

[@maciamay1393]

All those authors mocked the old male moralist, the tedious self-important professor, the overly elaborate use of words to impress, and the spoiled wealthy overly ernest depressive. In short, Peterson represents the very opposite of a moral life. The Austens, Hugo, Elliott, Dostoyevsky and any of those voices would have made Peterson a figure of fun, he is a lonely tragic parody of himself.

[@PerryWidhalm]

100% correct. What JP seeks is celebrity and money.

[@aylerayler]

No. The bible is just old stories

[@aylerayler]

Not only that, its terribly outdated and hateful. Read the story of Cain and Abel.

[@DMilbury]

All of history is just old stories.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

Dressing like a clown, or as though you are dressing to cast for the Joker, lends no credibility to your argument.

[@amunra5330]

K

[@alunnicholas6940]

Books, covers and judgement; think again!

[@DMilbury]

Does any garment lend credibility to an argument?

[@alunnicholas6940]

@@DMilbury A judge's wig

[@DMilbury]

@@alunnicholas6940 A judges wig doesn’t lend any credibility to the judges capability of justly ruling. All it tells us is that the person is in a position of a judge. Arguments speak for themselves, regardless of how their purporters dress. Are you honestly saying the cover of a book is an indication of the truth of its contents?

[@Crouchy232323]

Utter woke nonsense from Peterson

[@MGJS71]

So conservatism is woke now? Interesting.

[@Crouchy232323]

@MGJS71 now?

[@rogerturner5504]

Woke, the African-American English synonym for the General American English word awake, has since the 1930s or earlier been used to refer to awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans. Didn't hear him mention African-Americans.

[@Crouchy232323]

@rogerturner5504 yes, it is not about the colour, it is about the use of colour, as espoused by woke warrior Peterson

[@gregorygan2077]

​@@rogerturner5504woke was appropriated by libs to mean any cultural Marxism on social victim-porn mongering

[@dmytrom.3010]

Peterson turned out to be a blah blah person that is book smart with nonsense like 'Ukraine borders Caspian sea'

[@ajs41]

Well, he does mostly write for a North American audience and we know how stupid most of them are.

[@rogerturner5504]

He corrected subsequently to Black Sea. Are you really prepared to diss the prodigious intellect of Jordan Peterson on the basis of a miniscule geography error?

[@maciamay1393]

Prodigious nonsense machine.​@@rogerturner5504