Julie Bindel: 'AI porn will become a gateway to child abuse' | SpectatorTV

The Spectator's Sam Leith and anti-porn campaigner Julie Bindel discuss the rise of AI-porn, and what it could do to the future of the porn industry.
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[@marjoriekaye9336]

Bindel is, as always, measured, reasoned, well spoken and very well informed.

[@Spiritfba]

All of you defending this are going to be eating your words when it’s YOUR family, or your grandchildren’s family, or your son’s future destroyed by porn. Frequent access and consumption of porn kills love and relationships.

[@markeddowes1467]

As an anthropologist I just want to say how incredibly prescient your perspective is on AI porn. I think it will prove to be singularly the most important wrecking ball to human emotional/sexual relationships in thousands of years....in addition when Android sex figures become widely available and affordable linked to AI it will blow human relationships the world over out of the water. Terrifying.

[@jujutrini8412]

@@katiemiaana Every serial rapist they have ever caught had a horde of porn. Porn has never stopped rapists from raping.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Does that include the female rapists? Under the rape-by-deception laws anyone using 'concealment, artifice, or deception' to 9btain sexual consent can be guilty of rape. Can we characterise using make up, like concealer, as concealment? Are breast implants or push up bras artifice? Is the use of fillers or botox to appear younger deceptive? What proportion ofwomen use make up, filters or other methods to enhance their looks? All of them. What does that make most women?

[@angelawest9759]

Thank you. I completely agree. Once men can get a compliant AI woman, why would they bother with the hassle of a real one? Fills me with dread.

[@ApacheMagic]

@@angelawest9759 fills me with relief personally.

[@nicksmithauthor]

By 2028, the Chinese say you'll be able to purchase a 'robot helper' capable of doing your household chores - not difficult to see where the sex doll industry might take that. Think porn already damages real relationships? We ain't seen nothing yet.

[@angusorvid8840]

True. I think the cat's already out of the bag. Also, Asian mores are very different from western mores, and Asia will become the sex doll/AI pimp for the west. There will be no way to control it. This will bother western women most of all who already feel the competition from the yellow and brown skinned women of this world only too happy to find a pale knight in shining armor to save them from their third world hellholes. I could foresee a movement on the part of white women to keep foreign women away, even if they have to keep all foreigners away. Women do not like losing their sexual market capital.

[@MaliciousChickenAgenda]

She’s possibly right. I honestly wish she wasn’t but… I fear this could become true and that should make any decent, moral person question just how rapidly A.I is advancing

[@johnpeelfanclub]

Thank you for giving a platform to discuss these important issues.

[@maggiedonaldson8432]

Amongst its many great innovations, the internet has unfortunately also become the purveyor and enabler of the most appalling, violent, hateful porn imaginable (or unimaginable too). I don’t expect AI to be any different. I choose not to use AI for anything

[@markstanton63]

Oh you will use AI eventually .... Whether you realize it or not

[@radicalcartoons2766]

I'm old enough to be a witness to when the first mass produced internet-connected computers started being sold to the public.Without exception, every man I knew, of whatever age group, typed in "porn" within minutes of the thing being connected. We had a saying back then, "the internet is 90% porn and 10% rubbish".

[@simplygreen5832]

@@markstanton63 Most likely already is, 'sif a bunch of app code isn't being AI genned.

[@Tabktopless-z9b]

You may not use AI but I can guarantee it is already being used on you. Including the algorithm that dished you up this video. We are already slaves.

[@JohnSmith-nc6ul]

Julie is absolutely right on this!

[@guerrita6878]

Julie Bindel has changed my mind on a lot of topics. Including p-rnography

[@zgobermn6895]

'There is no such thing as ethical porn.' Absolutely!

[@ZootBurger]

"Didn't win anything!" 😂 Bindel is an excellent speaker ❤

[@Bowdon]

I'm sorry but this seems to be looking for the worst thing of a new technology. The evidence is when ai porn spreads and reaches a level it can compete at it'll reduce the amount of women in the porn industry. There is no reason why this wouldn't happen in illegal images too. The objective surely is to focus on the issue of child safety rather than the desires of corrupted individuals.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

I can see a future where all porn is AI generated and nobody is a victim (other than the young men whose brains are being pickled by it).

[@FoundSheep-AN]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757I think this type of violent extreme stuff will make people more perverted and will make people have mental problems and they will enact this stuff And more victims will be created. Majority of sexual crimes are committed by people with corn addiction that start enacting what they see

[@washaa]

@@FoundSheep-ANDo you have any sources for that? Others have stated the opposite, that porn can gatekeep people with antisocial tendencies and serve as a stopgap. If you can't show your argument holds water, pushing for censorship might harm real children in the long run.

[@Bowdon]

@@marinae7928 I agree with your comment about the effect of porn on society. Though to assume AI will make matters worse goes against what we have observed so far, that AI will eventually take over women prostituting online. Isn't reducing the number of women and girls from the sex industry a good thing?

[@jujutrini8412]

⁠​⁠@@washaa Since the proliferation of free porn r*pe and s*xual offences have not gone down. The opposite has happened.

[@jrd33]

Is Julie unaware that images of child abuse are already illegal in the UK, no matter how thy are produced? Whether it's real children, AI images, or art produced by human cartoonists, it's all illegal.

[@thinkingoutloud7425]

Doesn't stop it though, does it! This will just be a new flooding of the system.

[@abpgrace]

I guarantee that Julie is not unaware. She's speaking about the enhanced ability to personalize porn.

[@kaylakurucz7214]

@@abpgraceand the inability to stomp it down because production is now in the hands of individuals rather than studios and actors. And alarmingly, can create all sorts of grotesque and dehumanizing images.

[@luckymonkeymasters]

I didn't realise the whole internet was toeing the line of UK law.

[@femalism1715]

Thank you Julie! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@AmanitaWoodrose]

Love Julie!!

[@lordhogarth]

I remember back in the 80s there was a woman named Andrea Dworkin who took it a step further than these two and classified even consensual sexual intercourse as a form of sexual abuse. Like the ancient anchorites, their real problem is with human nature.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

She was talking about marital rape.

[@lordhogarth]

@@helenablavatsky9136. No, she defined heterosexual relationships in general as inherently coercive. She angered some feminists by reducing women to victims, dismissing their own agency and pleasure in sex.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

@@lordhogarth I read her forward in Conservative Women. She addressed the accusation directly. I know what she meant

[@helenablavatsky9136]

@@lordhogarth I don't think you read any of her books.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

I read all of her books.

[@karentonks7581]

I had a partner for a year and during consensual sex he suddenly picked up a corkscrew and rage fully raised it high above is head and said " I'm going to put this through your eye and brain " . To be honest it wasn't in a vacuum in terms of weird threats but I've never understood what that was, because it isn't rape is it?

[@karentonks7581]

His

[@ApacheMagic]

What it was was a giant red flag and I hope you had the sense and luck to get away from him

[@doncholio4108]

Feminism and logic

[@doncholio4108]

Isn't AI generation already regulated in that most tools are stating that illegal image generation is forbidden. I don't get why AI should be the reason that more men are risking getting arrested for illegal images when they simple can create images that are legal ? As with the already exiting porn.

[@luckymonkeymasters]

I think if the internet becomes saturated by AI porn, no matter how hardcore, then "real" porn will be the selling point. And then it follows, AI porn will become the most extreme, so the most sort after "real" porn will be trying to keep up. The law needs to catch up to this quickly and on a global scale as the ability to pornify anyone's image will cause real world harm, especially to women and children.

[@MrEnniscorthy]

so sad

[@iconicon5642]

Bindel takes her loathing of men to new levels of hysteria.

[@jujutrini8412]

Disagreeing with porn is hatred of men now.

[@radicalcartoons2766]

This man uses the phrase "basic, workaday, vanilla filth" as if he thinks there is a type of pornography that doesn't involve exploitation of the female participants.

[@jyyyb]

Gay porn?

[@FHIPrincePeter]

I thought that the Porn wage gap is the only one that benefits Women over Men?

[@almostafa4725]

@@jyyyblol

[@jyyyb]

Interesting that Julie sees all sex involving men a violation

[@hughiemg2]

Yup, I haven't heard her questioning a dildos ability to consent yet!

[@JaneK6557]

She never said that. That was not her message at all.

[@jyyyb]

@@JaneK6557 rewatch it she does

[@jujutrini8412]

@XY-dd5nzDo you realise that more men commit these types of offences than women?

[@dorthonian]

Given that there is no actual victim involved in AI generated images, I cannot see how this can be made illegal. Having sex with a lump of plastic made to look human, is also an act that does not involve a victim. If you are engaged in a sex act where there are no victims involved, that’s your business. I have no wish to know.

[@Extra_050]

I think they are looking at this more from a moral perspective than a legal one.

[@dorthonian]

@@Extra_050 there have already been prosecutions of people who have been found in possession of a child sex doll. Whilst repulsive, it is a lump of plastic that is being used and not a human child and no actual harm is being caused to anyone.

[@thinkingoutloud7425]

​@@dorthonianyou think that encouraging maladptive behaviour is harmless? Do you think those brain damaged people should be walking among us? You think they will be in control of themselves? Please, understand this is not a victimless process.

[@dorthonian]

@@thinkingoutloud7425 It’s an AI generated image and a lump of plastic and therefore none of my buisness.

[@thinkingoutloud7425]

@@dorthonian yes, and some use images of real children as their starting point.

[@svenlima]

Please put me in prison for life because I watched the Movie "Kill Bill". According to the distorted philosophy of these strange people, watching those movies makes me a murderer - although nobody actually died nor was harmed.

[@laurafloyd5177]

😞

[@markstanton63]

Money talks .... a majority of men and women with access to porn at least occasionally enjoy viewing it .... Porn creates massive profits for those making and supplying their audience .... Not sure how you can make it go away really?

[@magicunclefergaloreilly6699]

Maybe by making it illegal for human consumption like in Israel and China.

[@lordhogarth]

@@magicunclefergaloreilly6699. A little something called the 1st Amendment limits such censorship, at least in the U.S.

[@incurableromantic4006]

@@magicunclefergaloreilly6699 So we make it illegal, and it goes away? Like with drugs?

[@magicunclefergaloreilly6699]

@@incurableromantic4006 Drugs and sex are the same thing and leads a lad to the same place.

[@Attentionseekingnoob]

Awful take form Bindel, but then she is a rad fem

[@navelpicker]

Really? Please define.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

@@navelpicker Wait, he has to go look it up...

[@navelpicker]

@@helenablavatsky9136 Don’t intend to hold my breath.

[@hughiemg2]

​@@navelpickerit's literally in the first line of her Wikipedia page. I'll leave it to you decide whether being labelled a radical feminist is a pejorative term or not.

[@navelpicker]

@@hughiemg2 Oh wooow! Her Wikipedia page? It must be true, then.

[@simplygreen5832]

I'll say the same thing Japan did. How about you deal with real abuse against real women before going after pictures? “The so-called sexual violence in manga and video games is a made-up thing and as such does not threaten the rights of actual people; therefore, it is meaningless in protecting the rights of women.” “In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves. If we were to "ban the sale of manga that includes sexual violence," it would do the opposite and instead create a new avenue of sexism toward women.”

[@neonred7594]

Japan has a lot of rape and sexual abuse; the level of sexual abuse and harassment of women and girls there are far higher than in the western world so you're talking about things you have no clue about.

[@incurableromantic4006]

- "Your sexuality is fixed from birth" - "Paedophilia is culturally determined" It seems to me that *one* of these cultural assumptions must be wrong. . . . . . .

[@franfranfrancis]

I don’t think this was a very helpful conversation, it just kind of gave a bunch of tips to kiddie fiddlrs