Why women don’t need ‘allies’ fighting male violence - Julie Bindel & Jackson Katz | Action Men

Julie Bindel speaks to anti-sexist campaigner and author Jackson Katz, who has been part of a growing movement of men working to promote gender equality. On the podcast, Julie and Jackson discuss the power of bystanders to end rape culture; how men come to be afraid of other men when calling out abusive behaviour; and how men can truly fight against gendered violence.
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[@manusha1349]

Julie Bindel is a force of nature ❤

[@justiceformenboys]

So are tsunamis and earthquakes. Mike Buchanan JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS

[@manusha1349]

@justiceformenboys you should learn to think more broadly. Thinking in soundbites makes you seem like you've got a degree from Twitter

[@justiceformenboys]

@@manusha1349 I was making the point that forces of nature can be good or bad. That probably went over your head. Why do you imagine Bindel never writes about women's violence against women and men?

[@AWIKINGSWAY]

​@@justiceformenboysThat's important too no doubt equally important, but your question is similar to accuse a gynecologist of never visiting men and not informing us about male stuff when her expertise is that of the female parts. 😊ok?

[@incurableromantic4006]

Like pubic crabs?

[@user-wy9dl2xc9v]

wow love him,thanks Julie for interviewing him and clearly hes annoying some people in the messages below so to you both, keep up the good work.

[@lomotil3370]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 02:31 *Feminist analysis essential.* 05:13 *Men fear speaking.* 07:28 *Dislike term "Ally."* 09:17 *Bystander approach explained.* 16:55 *Positive challenge for men.* 19:38 *Liberal feminism criticized.* 21:16 *Rejecting "boys will be boys."* 22:40 *Misconception on feminists.* 23:07 *Men's violence acknowledged.* 25:22 *Need to challenge violence.* 26:43 *Breaking the cycle crucial.* 27:27 *Breaking down family dichotomy.* 28:35 *Trump's appeal to identity.* 31:09 *Left's struggle with narrative.* 32:18 *Addressing "Not all men."* 33:28 *Title's connection to activism.* Made with HARPA AI

[@user-vq6su6pr1q]

All of these action men interviews are brilliant, the only thing that could make them better is if they were double the length, this one especially! Katz has so much to say, I would have listened for much longer.

[@makepool]

It's important to listen to people you agree with as well as disagree with so I've listened to Julie Bindel speak a few times.

[@Larkarran]

Super interesting, I really need to check out his books. Great episode 💚

[@DivaClariceWilliams]

Top notch as always. I actually like Jordan Petersons philosophies in the main but yes I do find his glibness and blocking out completely of the biggest threat to women and girls is male violence. Surprising he doesn't take a more nuanced and compassionate stance on this issue as he does when discussing incels and dispossessed men in society. It is possible to view both as being valid. It's great he follows Julie Bindel and only disagreed with one tweet ever,he plainly recognises her quality.

[@osmosisjones4912]

Don't forget the default factor in statistics.

[@smartass0124]

You talk about the loanlyness of signal well told about it but majority of male suicides are married.

[@wexwuthor1776]

@4:22 Rite of passage being aggression towards women? No. That is absolutely ridiculous.

[@gracechapel2464]

He lost me when he said the overwhelming majority of Americans are left of center. Can someone point me to the polls he's referring to?

[@Truthnowhere2020]

I'm cool with this. Can she "have a word" with other women and maybe spread the message. Cheers.

[@BabyPrincess687]

She's saying male violence against women is a men's issue and men are the ones who should make it socially unacceptable. I'll tell the women, you tell your buddies.

[@billbadson7598]

@@BabyPrincess687 violence against women is a major taboo among all male social groups. She's just engaging in normative female behavior, complaining about problems all day while offering no solutions and demanding that someone else fixes it for her.

[@TaylorNicole_]

Women are fully aware that men commit violence against them. But thanks for proving his point

[@MenChallengingSexism]

Thanks for this video Julie. Really enjoyed this series.

[@teejarado5543]

Sexism is based on SEX. Let's use it ... NOT 'gender'.

[@osmosisjones4912]

If They don't know their perpetrators could they not know their victims

[@richardburton5706]

If there are bystander men there are bystander women too. The family court and Duluth approach presume that any man accused by a partner of domestic abuse is a perpetrator - it's a strategy move to win custody and child support.- but whenever it's false it's also domestic abuse. And let's not forget the thousands of men whose involvement as a parent hangs in the balance or perpetual threat of a false accusation coming their way.

[@TaylorNicole_]

Whataboutism

[@carolsimpson4422]

Actually, women are warned not to mention dv in custody disputes, because many judges will think she's trying to prejudice the court against her ex.

[@Hickalum]

1:55 What’s wrong with being a Young Man ? … You WERE a young man. FFS. Why can’t you say it ?

[@Larkarran]

because he realized as he was saying it that there were also young women trying to make a change, it wasn't just men

[@osmosisjones4912]

So much men able to be open with their feelings. Maybe try and be less hateable or accept people at rather than for people to like you

[@wolfhugs2221]

36:27 spot on.

[@smartass0124]

Mens violence is extremely rare according to feminist own numbers and time scales. 1 is sparking world out rage . But If Sarah Everade had man he'd lucky to make local 😢

[@TaylorNicole_]

False. Feminist don’t have their ‘own numbers’ they rely on independent studies and statistics

[@CDHandford]

Saying society is ‘organised by gender’ makes the assumption that society is organised rather than evolves and adapts in a much more messy way. The fact that cross-culturally gender appears as a delineating factor within societies points to inherent biological differences between genders that are functionally relevant in the way society functions

[@Alcibiades1999]

Apparently they don't need viewers either

[@culturespot75]

The big problem the lesbian movements's had is losing Judith Butler as a value. Why? Hard to say, she embraced transhumanism, this tribe stuck with parochialism. They are right about women's rights but not quite winning the political argument with their essentialism and 70s obsession with the adult film industry.

[@jayjaydubful]

How has she embraced transhumanism? She's been banished from mainstream feminism for the 'crime' of terfery

[@miriamlana833]

The TERF and radfem movement is not THE lesbian movement, think most of them are not that way.

[@carolsimpson4422]

You mean someone still thinks the pornography industry is rife with human trafficking, and that it encourages men to view women as objects? How odd.

[@smartass0124]

Do you pay attention to cost of health care doing different policies or quality of health care. Or look at those cost and quality in other countries. Canada health care is suicide boths

[@peterdixon7734]

What are the figures for lesbian-on-lesbian domestic violence, or LOLD?

[@incurableromantic4006]

Shhhhhhhhhhhh! That doesn't fit the narrative!

[@lmr1049]

begging you to educate yourself. this argument has been debunked a million times. that number is so high because a lot of lesbians had previously been in relationships with men and were abused there. they weren’t abused by other women.

[@CDHandford]

I disagree with many of Julie’s positions, but I enjoy listening to her. Jackson on the other hand comes across as a bit of a blowhard too fond of his own voice

[@npc-np7dc]

No he lost me with the white people working against racism trope. He's against the word 'allie' but goes on to completely advocate behaviours that embody the modern definition of the word. The "what are you doing to fight sexual violence in your everyday life" thread is a tired method that has alrrady been employed by progressives with racism to disastrous effect. We obsessed about, and 'raised awareness' of racism in every corner of society for two decades, to the point we're at now, where race relations are measurably worse and society is measurably more racist. Employing that tactic with sexual violence could easily cause similar correlation to sex relations. Sexual violence is simply not widespread in our culture. Most men are good poeple. We must address the cultures in which this is still prevelent, and the ideas that are being imported and resurfacing in western culture. Not this guys brand of Sadiq Khan 'Mate campaign' level hyper awareness.

[@billbadson7598]

_"The "what are you doing to fight sexual violence in your everyday life" thread is a tired method that has already been employed by progressives with racism to disastrous effect"_ If anyone asks me either of those questions, I answer honestly: I fight sexual violence by personally not engaging in it. That's all I owe anybody.

[@LolaMarigold]

I didn't like the white people comment either. I have never had a problem with calling out racism. Racism doesn't just exist in white people. He sounded like he came out of a woke uni when he said that. There's enough racism going around now against all sorts including whites. Even immigrants working with other immigrants can be racists against each other. if I stood up to a non white person being racist "I" would be called racist. So I am only allowed to call out racism when it is whites?

[@smartass0124]

Seens your one's removed from reality

[@10.6.12.]

Women need to be responsible too, come on!!! ... we are always positing women as having NO agency. Saying this does not condone rape.

[@billbadson7598]

When it comes to drugs, we want to prosecute the producers rather than the users. When it comes to porn, we want to prosecute the users rather than the producers. Women selling sex to men are the equivalent of drug dealers, but treated like the victims.

[@Larkarran]

@@billbadson7598 No, the pimps and pornographers (mostly men) are the equivalent of drug dealers. The women used in pornography are being raped, so of course they're victims. And so are the boys groomed into watching it from an early age.

[@balalaika852]

@@billbadson7598lol where are they prosecuting people for watching porn? Or you're sad you can't have kiddie porn on your laptop or what?

[@10.6.12.]

@balalaika852 that is one creepy comment!

[@osmosisjones4912]

Numbers such as 1 out of 10000000 often years apart shows men violence against women is extremely rare

[@osmosisjones4912]

Men shouldn't be forced to work and give up their resources after divorce.

[@zeno2501]

Stop asking then please. I'm not interested.

[@justiceformenboys]

Given that domestic abuse isn't a gendered issue - other than the most violent cohort of couples are lesbian couples, according to the ONS - will Spectator TV soon (for the sake of gender balance) be filming an interview with a Men's Rights Activist? Suggested title, "What should women be doing to tackle female violence against men?" (Don't hold your breath.) Mike Buchanan JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS

[@richardburton5706]

Nobody knows just what proportion of domestic abuse accusations are false, and in themselves domestic abuse from women towards men.

[@nonst8]

Not true

[@justiceformenboys]

@@nonst8 What isn't true?

[@youtubeyoutube936]

True.

[@colinstock325]

What a fine example of “whataboutism”.

[@alehenr6719]

This guy is a pick me