Well done Julie. It is clear from the pushback in the comments section that this topic irks the “sex work is work” crowd.
@neonred75945 ай бұрын
Of course it does, but then again what doesn't irk to "sex work is work" crowd? For a people that say they are fun and all that, they're very irate and shouty most of the time.
@j.a.velarde59017 ай бұрын
#TheSpectator - I want you to know that I appreciate how Bindel PRESENTS her guests and asks them to explain who they are, and why they are notable, to us. - Thank you for this.
@andreacoles59477 ай бұрын
Never thought I'd hear a man describe the different stages of feminism so succinctly! Thanks Julie for the excellent work you do. Pala sounds like a very interesting person.
@BooksWeCanRead7 ай бұрын
This is so important. Thank you for addressing it. It’s like all critical leftist analysis just falls out of men’s brains when it comes to women, drives me insane how inconsistent their morality is.
@lancewalker25957 ай бұрын
Really? This coming from a feminist I presume. Your myopic hypocrisy proceeds you, you treat men and boys as the enemy and then rebuke them for believing you. Porn is bad FOR MEN AND BOYS, they aren’t benefiting from what you erroneously call “male exploitation”. Glass houses lady…
@jayjaychadoy92267 ай бұрын
🇨🇦 Canada here. Thank you for your show. I’m not a feminist, but life’s been a challenge. I try to be a responsible citizen, but have been a head in the sand kind of person. Bless this work. I believe poverty is a major contributor to women being prostitutes.
@Gingerblaze5 ай бұрын
Definitely poverty is one of the biggest drivers. If the type of work women are most often employed in were compensated with better pay far fewer women would feel compelled to ever go into sex work.
@catherinehume91933 ай бұрын
I’ve been poor. I’ve had £30 per week for gas, electric and food. I’ve never once thought about prostitution. Neither has any woman I have known in my personal life. Nor gay man. So there is a type of woman who thinks “I’m a few bob short. I’ll get an evening job” and there’s a type of woman who thinks “I’m a few bob short. I’ll become a prostitute.” There are clearly different types of women, there are clearly different values, there are clearly different brains. Have sex for money or get more hours in a job. There are clearly differences in types of women.
@Cloudopatra7 ай бұрын
Ruining lives ! Porn kills the soul.
@mel30047 ай бұрын
Well said!
@stevebitcoin79767 ай бұрын
Regarding your last question Julie, I believe the key to engaging young men is to foster an understanding of healthy masculinity in the 21st century. Without grasping this concept, it's difficult for them to comprehend feminism in our modern era.
@neonred75945 ай бұрын
"foster an understanding of healthy masculinity in the 21st century" - what exactly does that mean?
@Gingerblaze5 ай бұрын
@@neonred7594 mostly fostering self respect and respect for others.
@demonvictim5 ай бұрын
@@Gingerblazehere's the thing self respect for guys comes easily if you get sex from a partner. So porn and prostitute is sort of like a cheat code. Especially with hook up culture if your friends are having it and you are not.
@justthedon17922 ай бұрын
Men need to understand what masculinity is in the feminism ideology so that they can understand how to change themselves to be more appealing to the feminist idea of masculinity. Absolutely not lol
@sofasrus80817 ай бұрын
There is a place for condemnatory. It works for some. Shame and blame is part of a many pronged approach.
@lancewalker25957 ай бұрын
Are you a Victorian time traveler? Clearly you haven’t learned their lesson.
@neonred75945 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree with this. I don't understand this soft approach which has never worked for anything ever.
@lancewalker25955 ай бұрын
@@neonred7594 Joining feminism is the list of things that have “never worked for anything ever”.
@basilharrison30712 ай бұрын
Julie I love your content! I’m dying for a longer form podcast. 2 hours plus to really dissect, dive deep, get more context, explore the arguments more than 30 min can afford
@paulaitchison24707 ай бұрын
I am a big fan of Ms Bindel, who combines intellectual power with charm and humour to get her points across. However, this is the first interview I did not enjoy. It seemed to get lost, mainly due to the rather opaque responses of her interviewee.
@neonred75945 ай бұрын
It was too soft on reality and too soft on people who are doing terrible things. If someone is doing something terrible and morally reprehensible, they have to be stopped, not coddled.
@abirdkilledmeh4 ай бұрын
I agree. The conversation didn't really go anywhere.
@jessicamueller5097 ай бұрын
Excellent conversation. There are very important points made here, e.g to reflect upon one’s own biases and patronizing attitudes and to keep communicating to generate a united movement to end patriarchy. If there is one thing patriarchy is successful in it is to split the opposition into small non threatening pieces which fight against each other. It works every time.
@SuperPixiefun7 ай бұрын
Important conversation and excellent guest. Will look more into his work.
@marleyofficialmedia3 күн бұрын
Great discussion. Thank you
@narkelnaru27103 ай бұрын
Fantastic education. Thank you. ✊🏽
@Argeaux2Ай бұрын
I think Friends normalised porn. Before a Friends episode where Chandler and Joey got free porn, it wasn’t really mainstream. After that episode, everyone was talking about how much porn they watched. People won’t believe you if you say you don’t watch it. I don’t understand why I would be turned on, watching other people have sex. That used to be called voyeurism. I never really thought about why sex work started to be used as a term to describe prostitution. It’s a very clever way of making it seem like the women have the control over the transaction. They don’t, really.
@mskerrykemp8 күн бұрын
@Argeaux2 I remember agreeing with most of my radical feminist mums views, but thought she'd never win the porn argument. Now look at the state of us TWRW/ sexwork IS work/ rise of childporn... It's literally ruined society.
@peterellis49827 ай бұрын
Probably true but the Muslim grooming gangs are more dangerous with their tactics
@Alcibiades19997 ай бұрын
So the show is called 'Action Men' but what we should be concerned about is porn's apparent targeting of children and not oh, I don't know, it's effects on it's overwhelmingly male consumers?
@mikalina17 ай бұрын
It comes down to consent - children vs adults. There is a choice with men, albeit somewhat groomed.
@HarryBuxley7 ай бұрын
Well, shockingly, a middle aged radical lesbian feminist, who has previously joked about putting all men "in camps", is not that in touch with the issues facing the 98% majority of heterosexual male and females growing up in this modern environment, OTOH, she is very good at finding people that can link imperialism and prostitution into the theories shes knows, based on a specific narrow life experience. I'm not saying there is nothing of value in the guests work, and I'm not saying that this discussion doesn't have valid views, there obviously is in both, but why is this particular host best qualified to talk about it?
@Gingerblaze5 ай бұрын
It would be great to utilize educating about both.
@MenChallengingSexism7 ай бұрын
Thanks for this excellent series Julie & Spectator and introducing me to Pala via this medium!
@whatzause7 ай бұрын
The good cures for evil that he’s advocating are so difficult to achieve and to make work, that unfortunately this looks like a practically losing fight.
@neonred75945 ай бұрын
I completely agree. You've worded it far better than I could have.
@aislingnid51635 ай бұрын
Two amazing people ❤️
@adamgrimsley29007 ай бұрын
The problem with men is that they will go after the top jobs. They will be focused, ruthless and ambitious.
@neonred75945 ай бұрын
It's not just ambition, it's psychopathy, narcissism and being power-hungry.
@Gingerblaze5 ай бұрын
@@neonred7594 but why are they like this? What drives that?
@catherinehume91933 ай бұрын
There is nothing wrong with hard work and success. If you think there is, you have a problem with most women and men who have existed throughout the world, throughout time.
@adamgrimsley29003 ай бұрын
@@catherinehume9193 no one said that.
@lesleybthedapperkiwi7 ай бұрын
Correct your description - from Vanuatu - educated and coaches in New Zealand.
@johnnunn86887 ай бұрын
That’s what he said 🤷♂️.
@lesleybthedapperkiwi7 ай бұрын
@@johnnunn8688 he said he was born in Vanuatu but lived most of his life in New Zealand. Vanuatu is not in New Zealand.
@WorldPeace214 ай бұрын
This was a good episode. 19:33 is good in that he understands that approaching the sex industry from either extreme of oppression or free choice is wrong. There are many women in the sex industry who are not oppressed. I support the New Zealand model with the exit services of the Nordic Model. I think sex workers and abolitionists should work together. The problem is that abolitionists don't want to do this; they see sex worker organizations as the bad guys.
@butlerpa1007 ай бұрын
Well this is stupid. Children seek out anything that Adults prohibit.
@anglosaxonbreed7 ай бұрын
I watch porn all the time and I never once seen children in porn as a father of 4 children i would report it straight away to police
@mikalina17 ай бұрын
What stops a father of 4 from wanting to prevent even the possibility of cp?
@sofasrus80817 ай бұрын
men who watch porn all the time are not fit fathers, porn is abuse
@hansiesma167 ай бұрын
Are your 4 children all boys?
@johnnunn86887 ай бұрын
This is about getting children to WATCH porn.
@johnnunn86887 ай бұрын
It’s about the porn companies offering free porn, to get the kids hooked on it. So when they start earning, they want to pay for better stuff.
@lomotil33707 ай бұрын
Define patriarchy.
@carolynbrightfield89115 ай бұрын
Yep, as an early 2nd wave feminist, patriarchy wasn't a word I heard much. That word has reached its crescendo with the third wavers. The fourth wavers believe in trans (M to F, and F to M) - how patriarchal is that? (Not). Back at the first wave, governments made up mostly of men gave women the vote. Silly men in retrospect (said with humour). They were so patriarchal they gave us the vote! The second wave, silly men in control, gave women equal salaries for equal work. They even invented the Pill and gave us more autonomy over our bodies. Hormones that totally disrupted our normal endocrine system. These inventors must have been secretly members of the patriarchy. And then the men sent us out to work, and told us raising and nuturing our own babies and children wasn't a valid choice, only careers were. How patriarchal is that? No, wait, wasn't that the matriarchy? The women's liberationists (I was one, lol, fell for the bait hook, line and sinker, lol). Hmm.. now I'm old, and nobody listens to elders unless they're indigenous (I'm Aussie), so what would an old woman whose survived 70 plus years know. Lol. So, good luck with finding a definition of patriarchy. Now corporate greed, capitalism and rampant consumerism, there's another story ..
@is_427 ай бұрын
Porn industry seeks out people that can pay for services; which is not children
@MenChallengingSexism7 ай бұрын
As Pala says, you get them hooked young and you will have a customer for life. Children will grow into adults with jobs and money who will pay to exploit women sexually through porn, prostitution, OnlyFans etc.
@johnnunn86887 ай бұрын
They get them hooked, (by offering free porn) so later on when they start earning…….
@Larkarran7 ай бұрын
You clearly didn't watch the video, or didn't understand. They target children with the free stuff to get them hooked for life, needing more and more extreme content as they become adults with disposable income.
@jennyj00075 ай бұрын
They put it in those Roblox games. They make you download doddgy apps and the you get porn ads to click on. Had this experience with my oldest and youngest son. Banned that shit immediately.