Conversion therapy ban & single-sex spaces - what will Labour do? Helen Joyce on SpectatorTV

Author and journalist Helen Joyce speaks to John Connolly, The Spectator's news editor about what could be inside Labour's trans policy. During the election campaign, Labour politicians were asked several times what a woman is - with very few able to give a coherent answer. Will their policy on single-sex spaces, conversation therapy ban, sex education in schools be equally incoherent?
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[@seizetheday9546]

Helen’s accuracy, clarity and humanity always blows me away. How can women not win this battle with her as our champion

[@BenHall289]

They literally can’t lose. Truth always wins eventually.

[@zeno2501]

@@seizetheday9546 She's magnificent. She won't lose.

[@michelledavis2604]

Maybe you need more 😅education

[@michelledavis2604]

​@BenHall289 I don't th8nk understand the meaning of truth.

[@BenHall289]

@@michelledavis2604 I understand that the truth is a man in a dress who has cut his dick off and pumped himself full of estrogen isn’t magically a women. Still a man. Everyone else knows this too. This is why the truth will always win. To pretend biology no longer holds true is absurd.

[@samuelchandler7612]

Helen Joyce is a wonderful woman

[@HonestHans4]

I’m a simple man: I see a new Helen Joyce video, I immediately watch it.

[@pulchralutetia]

Yes, you are very simple indeed!

[@tdvwx7400]

@HonestHans4 Why were you suspended from twitter? :o

[@clovermark39]

Me too. I am a woman!

[@katedean6258]

Me too. More please Helen

[@msshrill3681]

@@HonestHans4 same

[@simama...xox..]

I am so keen for the day when Helen Joyce doesn't need to defend against this garbage 😔

[@bulldogklaus47]

Agreed. Though I will say, however, that she'll need to find a new cause so I can keep obsessing over her 🤣

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

@@bulldogklaus47she needs to be the supreme leader of something. Lord how I wish she could just rule over everyone. I haven’t ever heard her say anything from a politics perspective that I’ve disagreed with.

[@bulldogklaus47]

@@slacktoryrecords4193 something along the lines of “Helen Joyce: Grand Poobah of the Galactic Ministry for Sanity and Common Sense”

[@Jess-nc4oy]

@@bulldogklaus47 All Hail Helen! she is awesome

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

we need her more then ever now Labour have gotten in

[@angryisaac2560]

Helen Joyce = National Treasure

[@michelledavis2604]

Sunken chest?

[@acacia_w]

Helen Joyce should be advising government.

[@JohnCoates-y6e]

Helen Joyce is a hero.

[@hezkyden]

Maybe she's a heroine, but not a hero. If she, and other women's rights activists, want sex distinctions enshrined in law, we could start with language, something which feminists altered to suit their own agenda.

[@michelledavis2604]

Only for the simple minded.

[@lilith3953]

A shero!

[@johntgw]

​@@lilith3953 heroine, surely?

[@kay2kin92]

Women Defined by Biology not Ideology ....

[@BlueFish-g5u]

Yes, #RepealtheGRA!

[@OpenHLZFocus]

XX : simple 😉

[@michelledavis2604]

Transwomen are biolog8cal women not an ideology. Helen Joyce is your cult leader.

[@michelledavis2604]

​@OpenHLZFocus completely wrong.

[@OpenHLZFocus]

@@michelledavis2604 Not me and the world of Culture and Science We are not wrong. 👋You are confused or you want to destroy without🔪 contributing. ? What is your hypothesis? 🤔have you discovered something? 🤣or do you follow propaganda ideas disguised as science? I am a biologist and I am not stupid. None of us who write are stupid. I inform you. 🤭

[@emilylouise902]

Brilliant interview. We need someone like Helen in government!

[@karenmariesmith666]

I totally agree.

[@clovermark39]

Yess.

[@notaclue822]

I'm so sick of policy makers thinking nothing of women's rights.

[@angrytedtalks]

What are women's rights? The equality act says both sexes should have the same rights. It doesn't say that you have a right to change your sex, but it doesn't say you can't either.

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Yeah cuz for 40 all they seem to do is obsess over working class mens rights........ 🙄

[@academicproofreadingservices]

Conversely, I don't know why they are so concerned about promoting the rights of fetishists....

[@angrytedtalks]

@kwccoin3115 What utter codswallop.

[@tungstenanderson5991]

@@angrytedtalks The ability to say no to men in sex segregated spaces. There is no reason why a 6 year old girl, needs to validate the identity of man in a place where her panties are off, or any woman for that matter.

[@Cotictimmy]

Helen is one of the most impressive public intellectuals we have in the U.K. Since we're no longer allowed to have sensible, rational, people with reality-based world views (like Helen) as our political leaders and mainstream TV presenters, rational people go to podcasts (like this one) for rational discussions these days instead of mainstream TV & radio. We are forced to pay for the BBC as our public broadcaster but feels like being forced to pay for a chocolate fire guard.

[@OpenHLZFocus]

In the UK and in the West ❕👍👑💄

[@Aarenby]

She wants to kill everyone who has a "special consideration" she's worse than the Austrian painter

[@karinefonte516]

I know it takes a toll, but you can #defundtheBBC , and any British citizen with common sense should at this point.

[@simonm7133]

In case a Labour politician is reading this, a woman is an adult human female. No ifs, no buts.

[@michelledavis2604]

So are transwomen.

[@roising.3221]

Did you know that men clean public toilets?

[@deborahfreedman333]

@@michelledavis2604 No, he's not.

[@onemorefan3647]

@@michelledavis2604no, to simply to your mind women are born with a 🐱

[@michelledavis2604]

@@onemorefan3647 I don't think science supports that view

[@roguestarz1034]

Helen Joyce is so brilliant and articulate.

[@simonclare-fu7sx]

Helen is correct, she always has been

[@michelledavis2604]

Not really. She's wrong sbout many things.

[@simonclare-fu7sx]

@@michelledavis2604 sure, name one ?

[@michelledavis2604]

@@simonclare-fu7sx that humans have existed for 1.2 million years.

[@simonclare-fu7sx]

@@michelledavis2604 that's the best you can come up with ? not what she is discussing about humans today which is probably the real reason you disagree with her, you're reaching aren't you

[@cmmndrblu]

Helen Joyce is exemplary. I will always always be grateful to her for writing her book.

[@michelledavis2604]

Singing her praises doesn't make her what she says true.

[@OYDUS]

SO much common sense! If only our politicians would stand up and talk intelligently like this, and mean it, and act on it.

[@katedean6258]

Helen Joyce. What a woman! My mum overheard me listening to this and said ‘who is that sensible woman speaking sense clearly?’ Yes mum!

[@sharonalbanese8084]

This woman is a total hero.

[@colinm4]

Why is qiestioning the mental health of a young person declaring as trans regarded as conversion therapy?

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Because the nut job activists who have captured the organizations that treat these young people, are themselves either gender doctors who want to stay in business, or they’re A G P men (erotic cross d r e s s e r s) who need to maintain the narrative of the ‘trans child’ so that people will see them (the A G Ps) as having been ‘born this way’ like gay people. The children are held up as the purest form of ‘trans’ - they’re important to the narrative. Necessary so that the general public doesn’t realize we’re mostly talking about a paraphilia here. And then there are the people who’ve bought into the suicide narrative - they really believe these kids will harm themselves (potentially fatally) if they’re not ‘affirmed’ in their gender identity. Of course, that narrative is false as well.

[@helenromanelli2544]

because powerful people--billionaires--with heavy investments in the 'healthcare' industry stand to make more billions from hormones and surgeries on vulnerable people. It would not be an exaggeration to say that many very wealthy people are essentially psychopaths.

[@DisabledDoll]

IThey’re converting kids who mite be gay someday to straight presenting people. They’re already doing conversion therapy

[@barbaralucas2375]

All talk on all fronts, the problem would be solved if the 2004 Gender Recognition Act was repealed by someone bold enough to repeal this Act brought in by Blair/Labour. It has caused 20 years of ideology with our children being affected most.

[@ClarinoI]

In nine years of "Conservative" government they never sought to repeal it. I doubt very seriously that this new Labour government will want to do so. In fact, I suspect now that they are in power they will ramp up pre-pubescent transsexual surgeries, and entrench gender ideology in society.

[@finisheseverythi]

Im a counselling psychologist. Every time I hear helen speak I breathe a sigh of relief. The governing bodies of my industry are campaigning to ban conversion therapy, and the chilling effect is very real. If ever I start to feel that chill, I will listen to interviews like this, and find my courage again.

[@sisiphas]

A good piece. Now imagine how much further forward the womens’ rights would be had ALL womens’ groups worked together. Calling Kellie-Jay Keen an ‘extremist’ for example as some did was stupid and devisive

[@creatrixZBD]

@@sisiphas imho KJK has been on a personal political career arc, and this is just the grift she chose. She spruiked as much ideology as the next person.

[@davidloughlin2238]

There are no "trans" women or "cis" women, there are just women, this has always been the case and always will be. Men who wish to live their lives as women, and women who wish to live their lives as men are absolutely free to do so, as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others.

[@BlueFish-g5u]

Please use trans identifying man/males/boys and trans identifying women/females/girls! No man is any type of woman etc etc.

[@pussycats456]

@@BlueFish-g5u Or, just say Men and Boys!

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

I prefer the term "Space Invaders"

@@jenniferlawrence2701 Do you think males should have the right to their own spaces and exclude women from them if they so choose?

[@lilith3953]

I see that you don't know what male pattern violence is and haven't looked at the difference in size and criminal offending among the prison muster.

[@katherynet1424]

Well, these people don't identify as trans they identify as either a woman or a man. It's perfectly binary, a person doesn't transition to become a trans, the fake gender ideology movement that exists now hijacked the community with perverts calling themselves women. Any real transsexuals know they are biologically either male or female, and dont like invading spaces they know they aren't welcome in or belong in. This trans cult is something new and seems to enforce an ideology of gender as a social construct, not necessarily what's between your legs.

[@simmer484]

In schools it's always spoken about in terms of toilets. But there are other issues. I know a primary school girl who was one of two girls not selected for a four girl athletics team. It would have been their first life experience of a proper athletics competition at the local athletics arena. One of the four 'girls' selected is a boy who pretends to be a girl. How is this fair? There are now 5 boys and only 3 girls going from the school.

[@wendyhaynes4991]

It really worries me when a labour politician on the radio can make an absurd statement saying transwomen can 'grow' a cervix.....does he even know what it is??

[@aodhanofailain]

Labour’s ban on ‘conversion therapy’ would effectively ban the provision of scientific psychotherapy to consenting adult patients on the grounds of a quasi-religious ‘identity’ doctrine. Should we say to people with gender dysphoria, ‘You’re right! You are a soul imprisoned in a wrong body, so disfigure yourself with our blessing; we’ll feel virtuous pretending you’ve changed sex, whilst you face a life of painful medicalisation’? Should we not say, ‘You’re mistaken to think you’re in the wrong body. You’re beautiful, good, and truly you just as you are. You may have a distressing condition called gender dysphoria, but people have recovered from this without self-harming, and with our support and evidence-based medical care you so can you’?

[@clovermark39]

Same as we should say to people with anorexia nervosa. Yes you are too big so cut down on what you eat.

[@deepoole820]

Helen's commentaries are so well reasoned. She is always spot on. Thank you Helen.

[@neilmetcalfe5261]

As always, Helen always speaks common sense. Labour should be asking for her advice and guidance.

[@FlashdogFul28]

Helen is star, is she ever on the BBC I wonder .

[@annon3173]

Good discussion- an interviewer who knows the subject properly and the issues at play for women, with a knowledgeable interviewee who gets her points across successfully. Have John on more.

[@gabychats]

As always Thankyou Helen for all that you do.

[@s-eyesel]

We don't want an ideology to be pushed onto us at all costs ( as I have sadly experienced but flatly refused to question my own gender... with the consequence of being excluded and belittled by that group) 😮 😡

[@CaseySummers-zy8mj]

Interesting to hear Helen’s perspective on this because it’s one of my biggest worries with Labour and I was surprised at how little air it got during the election. Helen has calmed me down a bit. Hope things continue in the right direction. Now it’s just the rest of the issues to worry about 🙈

[@vicstee482]

Unfortunately i do not share helens conservative optimism. I think it will get far worse now under labour.

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

Yep. They're got a once-in-a-century majority in parliament, possibly only for one term. They're going to use it.

[@elizabethwhite1068]

Great chat, always love hearing from Helen. To everyone here in the comments, please send a note to YT to stop putting the community note, or whatever it's supposed to be, from The Trevor Project on every gender critical video. The Cass Review is the expert on the topic, not a political activist organization who's goal is to fill their pockets with gender medicine money.

[@SexRealist301]

Duly reported. The rot is everywhere isn't it?! I can't wait for this to all be over and back to sanity! Preferably with the appropriate heads rolling, such as that twat David Tennant, etc. I think he's bitter because his voice never broke.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Yes, hear-hear! on the Trevor Project. It’s unreal the way these insane activist orgs have got their teeth into giant multinational corporations like Google/YT. They’re so very wrong on this issue. How dare they?

[@clairemagnolia]

@@elizabethwhite1068 You are so right, I do this every time I come across it. Thought police at work in Google 😳

[@CheckFred]

This Lady needs to be the PM's personal advisor - She really does 'get it' - I remember in the early 60's - I was 13 - 15 and obsessed with Cafe-Racer Motorbikes and SPEED!! ... I used to say to everyone who'd listen that My Main Goal in life was to "Die! Before! I was 24 on a Triumph Bonneville doing a 'Ton' (100mph) " ... It was about the same time as girls would 'brag' at school about having tried to commit Suicide! - But Failed! (Thankfully) ... Some really Weird stuff goes on through puberty - It always HAS - It always WILL - We all grow out of these fantasies eventually - But guess WHAT! ?? .. LABOUR want to LOWER the voting age to 16yrs - WHY!?? - Because they KNOW! That early teens is the BEST TIME to indoctrinate 'most' youngsters into believing Socialism is the ONLY WAY and a Vote for Labour/Momentum is their ONLY real choice....... So the 'pretence' of Democracy can continue, but in reality it will be even MORE DEAD! ☠ Than it is NOW! 🤨 .... And Stonewall is the Conduit for this to succeed 🤔

[@bogdiworksV2]

KS is hardly a socialist. Teens can be indoctrinated into all kinds of BS, as in the gender BS case, though they generally care less about politics than adults do. They are usually prone to social contagion.

[@sisiphas]

My gender critical friends who voted Labour ALREADY REGRET IT.

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

why did they do it, they must have known we've all known for years

[@pulchralutetia]

That's a bit premature, to say the least. Is so-called 'gender critical feminism' the only thing on God's earth that matters? Millions of people can't get medical treatment, the prisons are close to breaking point, we are being economically raped by the utility companies and young people can't afford to have kids.

[@lynseypringle9585]

No sympathy! They knew!

[@joso7228]

well thats just one issue - and pressure should sort it out

[@howareyoualiveifyoudonteatbeef]

I'm gender critical and I have no regrets. You speaking for your 'friends' means nothing.

[@memoryhero]

16:37 - this is why I reckon I'll be listening to Helen Joyce for at least a few decades. resolve, focus, elocution, and principles like these come around so damn seldomly.

[@chatterbox7000]

Brilliant as always.

[@mslinklater]

Helen Joyce is an absolute national treasure. Great interview... thank you.

[@mountwalker2785]

Thank you very much for getting those important points out. Also, can't stress enough how anti-gay large parts of the "queer" and transgender movement are.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Extremely anti-gay. The ones who “change their gender” but start out as lesbians and gay men, are nothing more than promoters of conversion therapy themselves. Internalized homophobia is rampant among them. They’re no different from ‘ex-gays’ who claim to have used God to rid themselves of their same sex attraction.

[@julietrees6534]

Well said Helen 👏 🙌 ❤

[@TheMagicLemur]

7:00 - I live in Anneliese Dodds' constituency and she got criticised at Hustings on trans issues. Ironically it's her that's tasked with fixing this issue for Labour - you couldn't make it up! 😅

[@DustyLou]

What an absolute hero. Helen will fare well in the history books.

[@mujy12]

I stand fully behind you Helen

[@paulwilson7622]

She is absolutely correct about women vs trans rights! It just shows how distorted, abnormal and delusional Labor are by making it a political issue about it.

[@lewissmith350]

Jk rowling is best.

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

She`s great mate

[@Jessicajanelove]

Fantastic Woman ❤

[@cnrspiller3549]

Ooh, she's good.

[@jorge2757]

Gracias gracias gracias 😌😌😌

[@lindasykes1356]

Thank you for all you have done and are doing, Helen!

[@sallynolan5928]

This woman has common sense - a rare thing nowadays.

[@kathrynmcnamara9196]

Beautifully clear and articulate Helen, as always. Thank you for speaking up in support of this issue.

[@chrispercival9789]

Good work Helen. Small point of fact though: Labour didn't win a landslide, tories lost in a sinkhole.

[@howareyoualiveifyoudonteatbeef]

Small point of fact though: Labour had the biggest gains since WW2.

[@philipmilner9638]

That's the trouble with Labour, they just don't think...

[@dogbreaththe3rd851]

They DO think, but only in terms of their level of power and control.

[@pulchralutetia]

And the Tories did? The country has been brought to its knees by the Tory cretins.

[@joso7228]

they think and don't just make bland populist statements like you do

[@dogbreaththe3rd851]

@@joso7228The Abbopotamus thinks that it has two left feet. Socilaism is the natural habitat of the envious mid-wit.

[@ravenwing8842]

Very astute and wise words by Helen. I hope Starmer is listening because he seems to have a ‘pendulum’ problem in general about understanding the need for women’s rights and what a woman is.

[@mr2981]

Is their woman problem that they don't know what one is?

[@danguee1]

1:33 "we can say that in terms of votes....". No, Helen - did you not look at the election numbers? Labour won only 33% of the popular vote and, in fact, Corbyn's Labour won 33% more votes than Starmer's... The landslide was SEATS ONLY - NOT popular vote

[@psyskeptic9979]

KZbin puts a link to the Trevor project. 🙆‍♂

[@ycAuntieLala]

Bio Spex is /should be a protected characteristic in policy. This is the matter words referring to bio spex are smale And bfemale . The question to policy makers wobble over is the use of man and woman. Because part of the trans activism is taking over language and changing definitions all the sudden.

[@marypatriciabyrne-halaszi6511]

Thank you Helen

[@grumpysincebirth]

Great interview.

[@FarhanAmin1994]

Let's say it should matter what someone claims to "identify" as. Are we talking about anything real and measurable or something nebulous and easily fakeable? If the latter, what are the downsides?

[@jezdavis1865]

Rapists get access to women's jails and women lose their places in sports teams. I reckon they're pretty simple downsides to identify.

[@joelhall5124]

Two women's and equality ministers? I can't even understand why you'd need one.

[@howareyoualiveifyoudonteatbeef]

I imagine having your rights guaranteed throughout the vast majority of human history means that you don't have to worry. Meanwhile, women have only had rights to autonomy and freedom for, at most, the past 100 years (out of thousands of years of human civilisation)... So, go develop some perspective and understand that women's rights are never anywhere near as 'guaranteed' as men's rights are.

[@markbrown4955]

Well Lisa Nandy, now you are in power you are going to have to and politicians who have abandoned womens rights are going to have to face the music.

[@RichC89]

I love Helen Joyce! Recently finished her book. Absolutely brilliant. If you read this comment Helen, know that we love you!

[@lewissmith350]

Yes, a nice woman.

[@rehypotehcation3682]

What does it say about Conservative and now Labor governments that we are now in a situation where someone like Helen is cancelled in favor of views that are totally discredited by the Cass report.

[@rshnewton]

How is she cancelled when she is being interviewed by a national UK media magazine/platform right here?

[@dannystuart-cummins4327]

This women has a beautiful voice.

[@queenjasminetemaiharoa7009]

Helen is a breath of fresh air in this very polluted world!💓

[@DrGreenGiant]

More biased, overreaching and geographically irrelevant context from KZbin at the top of this video. It's so gross. Great video thought, Helen is superb and a font of knowledge on this subject.

[@pseudonamed]

Very clear points

[@Hilooknofurther]

Great conversation

[@francinehorner2792]

There was extensive research supposedly carried out by the Tavistock wasn’t there? That didn’t quite turn out well did it?

[@stephendickinson7071]

I wonder if this applies to mosques?

[@pulchralutetia]

These white middle-class atheistic 'feminists' don't care about the oppression of women in Islamic cultures. They only care about 'transsexuals'.

[@howareyoualiveifyoudonteatbeef]

We all know the answer to that question.

[@belverticale]

Helen always laser sharp. If the new government are smart they'll downplay the whole trans bunfight.

[@rshnewton]

I look forward to the Spectator's interview with a trans inclusive figure, for balance.

[@ellewilliams5162]

Or god forbid having a trans person talking about trans issues

[@bilbobaggins5408]

Let's remember that political parties conspire with each other not to raise or debate issues that they want to avoid dealing with even though they know that there is great controversy in the general population. In this way, debate on abortion has been suppressed everywhere in the West except in the USA.

[@DisabledDoll]

8:22 if children are too young for doctors to even feel comfortable explaining that the child will grow up without ever gaining a sex drive then children are too young for “gender affirming care”

[@DeeCee-nb6ev]

My constituency MP is Rosie Duffield, she did not get my vote this election though she has in the past. Regardless of my vote Rosie is the MP and has more traditional truthful views on this and it would have been a bold and decisive move by Starmer to make her womens Minister. Starmer though hasn’t got what transsexuals want to lose when it comes making the right decision on this.

[@RichardEnglander]

Sunak - lots of hot air on all sorts but only came up with a new age related smoking ban 🤡🌍😊

[@joso7228]

and he couldn't even stop the boats

[@RichardEnglander]

@@joso7228 he didn't want to, he would not let Braverman stop them.

[@DisabledDoll]

13:19 they ARE conversion therapists

[@leighwallis5782]

🔥🔥🔥

[@helenromanelli2544]

How very, very brave of Starmer...

[@user-wy9dl2xc9v]

I really noticed this ,when we ask a question about women's rights the answer is about Trans,we didn't ask about men did we.

[@michelledavis2604]

Helen Joyce thinks humans are 1.2 million years old. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MarcelGraumans]

Being on the wrong side of history, science and reality, impressive....

[@ellewilliams5162]

Single sex spaces have never functioned in the way gender cortical people imagine. In the equality act single sex spaces don’t apply to trans people by default. The document itself only gives an example of a support group for SA survivors where it could be legal for them to exclude trans women from using the facilities that the event is using. That’s the one example, it’s now being expanded to places like hospitals which goes beyond the original intent of the legislation It’s maddening how accepted it has become to act as if this isn’t the case. It was even tested in a review a few years ago

[@FeatherPhoenix]

I recommend Biological Psychology by Kalat. It's a university course book and touches on transgender identities. Very good read and from a neutral scientific point of view.

[@neildunford241]

I'm kinda done with it seeing, "what is a woman". We know that. I think we need more. "What is trans" & "What is a transwoman"

[@SexRealist301]

A man.

[@richardgilyead7640]

I'd be more interested to see politicians answer the question, "What is a man? And how are you going to keep them out of single-sex spaces?"

[@fld9266]

I’m a straight woman pensioner , I feel all this gender stuff is actually damaging kids - I actually think it’s targeting homosexuals to “make” them more acceptable by changing them . Also talking about how someone feels shouldn’t be banned - by all means ban intense “treatments” like electroshock etc but talking and leaving kids to grow up is important

[@notalefty999]

Mastectomies and cross sex hormones = not conversion therapy. Telling a girl distressed with puberty that her feelings are normal and it doesn't mean she is a boy = conversion therapy. Oh and even pointing this out gets you censored on youtube apparently.

[@kerrydevlin]

How hard is it to say a woman is an adult human female

[@janebennetto5655]

❤🇬🇧

[@miriamlana833]

How should laws based on "biological sex" be made when the thing itself isn't enshrined in laws yet? Who will dare to enshrine? I mean really material based without arbitrary or teleological assumptions, so no such things like "the sex of a person is the sex recorded at birth" or some potential/destinated gamete producer bullshit.

[@francinehorner2792]

Electric shock treatment still exists doesn’t. It? They gave it to one of the women who suffered from depression in the Horizon Post Office Drama series Why were they allowed to do that? And why does it still exist? It’s a great deterrent for anyone who may like to speak out. They could have you whipped up by a psychiatrist and an institution and never have control over your self and decisions again! Much clarification on this would be greatly appreciated 🙏🏻xx

[@jonahwhale9047]

Because extensive research has found ECT to be highly effective for the relief of major depression.

[@ellewilliams5162]

There are trans women in the UK who underwent electric shock treatment in the past

[@ellewilliams5162]

@@jonahwhale9047completely different thing

[@jonahwhale9047]

@@ellewilliams5162 Do you mean trans men? The people in the Horizon scandal weren't being punished with ECT, it was to treat their depression. Probably the same in the cases that you are are referring to too.

[@jimoconnor2594]

But are they women ?

[@BlueFish-g5u]

No.

[@BibiBitesBack]

@jimoconnor2594 No Human Being Can Change Their Sex.That is Reality not AGP Fetish & Fantasy, cosplaying at being a woman for kicks & kinks

[@BenHall289]

Obviously not.

[@chernobylcoleslaw6698]

No.

[@susanmorton3650]

Transwomen are 100% men

[@khairulnaeim756]

Women needs ,how about men needs 🙄

[@roger_welco]

As labour are all about equality how about removing the role of women's minister. It's the complete opposite of pushing equality otherwise you have a minister for Men to.

[@jillraymond2394]

Helen is always easy to understand but labour did not win a landslide but whoever we vote for the government always wins