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0:45 Session Recap
0:56 Mix Panel Overview
5:37 Organizing your mix
5:55 Creating a Bus
7:20 Neve Summing in Action
8:40 Basic Bus Compression
10:29 Bus Shortcut
12:00 Luna Tape Extensions
13:54 Effect Busses with Sends
16:01 Printing FX & Saving DSP
19:28 Luna’s Unique Spill Technique
21:24 Using Outboard Gear
23:35 Printing Outboard Gear
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[@TheSteveKinney]

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[@lordwormpie]

Steve ! Do some more presets. I’m hooked. 660/670? Ssl 4k for 360 would be a dream.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@lordwormpie yeah - I’m about due for a new pack. What kind of music do you create? Rock / songwriter / country? Hip hop? EDM?

[@lordwormpie]

@@TheSteveKinney Nice one. Singer songwriter. But Beatley/Neil Young/60s electric Dylan type. The presets on Townsend mic going in has made a huge difference to recording vocals. Commuting straight to tape as it were. And I rarely do that.

[@lordwormpie]

Vintage vibes. Deja Vu. Harvest. That kind of thing.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@lordwormpie sweet. I’m working on two things at the moment, full disclose. A drum midi grooves pack for EZ drummer. And a service where you can hire my session drummer for $100 per track / 1hr session. So you can either build from a library of grooves or get the tailored touch, and be on the session with him and get exact kind of grooves and feel that you’d want. Would you find something like this useful?

[@marklholloway]

This series is great! Picked up a lot of tips I didn’t discover on my own with LUNA. Looking forward to part 5 👍

[@TheSteveKinney]

Should only be a few days. Cheers brotha!

[@vanhap]

Everything done with pure excellence, Thank you.

[@abdallajueany7735]

Thank you very much

[@stephenpierce2274]

Awesome video, Steve! Can't believe how much you covered and really important stuff! Like the flow with external hardware gear. Definitely coming back to watch this one again! Thanks!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Definitely a gem in this video for sure! I’ve touch on it in other videos but this one really highlights that. Glad you’re finding the videos useful mate!!

[@DavidLeonZink]

Super clear and easily digestible. I'll visit this one several times yet, I'm sure. Thanks for putting in the effort!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks mate, cheers!

[@steelroots811]

This series is great! Thank you so much for making these.

[@TheSteveKinney]

100%. Been wanting to make this kind of Luna Content for a while. More on the way! Thanks for the support and for watching! Cheers mate!

[@ericp6015]

Broo thank u sooo much for explaining how to print fx and save dsp!!! I was getting so frustrated that I couldn’t load certain plugins with my Apollo solo on Luna. You don’t know how helpful this was 🙏🏼

[@TheSteveKinney]

It’s comments like this that remind me that my channel is worth continue to put the effort into. It takes a lot of time & energy to plan these videos out. Way more than I ever thought - as some who used to watch videos mostly. So thank you for watching & enjoying! Cheers!

[@billesposito2112]

Steve your a saint . I'm picking up my mac and apollo this week but I'm trying to learn as much as I can before I get it up and running . Great video very easy to follow your guidance . I'll pick up your pre sets to pay it back as soon as I'm set up . Thanks for the info. Huge help!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Dude! Thanks so much for the support. I tried to make this series focus on the essential workflow stuff. Plenty of details and shortcuts, and more complicated things you can do, but for the stuff you work with 95% of the time - that’s what this series is all about. 😎

[@SteiLtz]

Thank you Steve Best greetings from Germany

[@GoodmanRecordingsTokyo]

Super helpful, thank you so much.

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I don't think I'd be using Luna at this time if it weren't for your videos. You are hitting exactly what a new user needs, explain things thoughtfully and are easy to listen to. Cheers!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks mate! Doing my best!

[@Adon77]

thank you steve good job.

[@JoseManuel-cw7ob]

Nice videooo! Thanks so much

[@SteveGardinerProducer]

More great info!!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Heck yeah cheers brother… You should check out the Luna series where I make a song from start to finish… That song actually got released, music video was filmed for it… It ended up hitting number one on CMT Australia

[@immagood2]

wow! awesome video.

[@TheSteveKinney]

It’s crazy how that simple project goes from sounding kinda flat at the beginning of the series to the sound at the end of this video. Pretty cool!

[@ManfredisHarmonicaShow]

Great quality content man ;)

[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers thanks brotha!

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Nice, Thanks!

[@TheSteveKinney]

You got it brotha!

[@SwingEntertainmentYT]

Very helpful!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers mate!

[@Jbaymusic17]

im new to luna this is very helpful Thanks again !

[@TheSteveKinney]

Be sure to let UA know. 😁😉

[@ryancohenmusic]

Steve thanks so much - Hey! I am new to all of this - I have my Apollo twin and use a MacBook Air 2020, it seems it's not enough power between the fan noise, weird high pitch noise on playback, crashing etc. I know my core processor is i3 and minimum is i7 - my question is - is my new MacBook Air useless to run Apollo and Luna or can I simply add memory? Storage? Please help :(

[@PrinceTimNortey]

@ Steve Kinney, I love your videos and a supporter of your channel. I was wondering if you have a video of how to print your final mix or how to bounce a mix in LUNA

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey Prince! Just seeing your comment, I do not, BUT.. it can be relatively straight forward.. if your in the "mix" workflow, there is a mix down button next to the transport, this allows you to select your bounce down signal. alternatively, if you CREATE a master bus, you can choose it's output, and you'd wanna choose "virtual channel".. create a new track, and choose that same virtual channel as the input and mute the track so you do not get a feedback loop... then press record. hope this makes sense! perhaps I will cover this in a short, I've been planning a bunch of shorts.

[@plaidgadjo]

Thank you for this series, Steve! I'm new to Luna (from Studio One) and it's very helpful. I'm having an unusual problem though that I just can't figure out. I have a bus set up for two rhythm guitars that I'm panning hard left and right. A couple of my reverb plugins I've tried on this bus aren't working in stereo Sunset Sound and Abbey Road Plates)... Meaning if I just solo the left guitar, reverb only comes out of the left speaker (nothing in the right). My inspirata plugin works as it should. If I send to a dedicated reverb bus, it's the same. They are in stereo in Studio One though. Any settings I might be overlooking or any ideas? Thanks!

[@TheSteveKinney]

You can create mono and stereo busses in luna, be sure that you have chosen a stereo bus when you created it. If you’re not sure if yours was stereo or mono - you can confirm it’s mono or stereo by the meters in the mixer. Stereo will get two meter LED’s next to the fader, mono will have one.

[@carlmeanwell9180]

When using outboard do you need to make an adjustment for the D-A/A-D conversion, i.e. move the wav file position by a number of samples in the edit screen? Really enjoying this series, I've been away from recording for a few years and this is just the right level for me, so thanks a lot!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Great question! Yes you would. And the annoying thing is that, other DAW’s have solved this problem eons ago, but UA seems to be at a weird growing stage where they are stretched thin on resources… Only reason I say this is because soooo many people ask for this feature but it hasn’t been fixed yet.

[@carlmeanwell9180]

@@TheSteveKinney Excellent thanks for that, and I'm sure they'll get there!

[@katrina_burgoyne]

This is so great. I think I may need to switch to Luna.

[@TheSteveKinney]

I can not wait to hear what you create

[@chasecampan-thornburg1721]

Thank you, Steve! This was very helpful. Are there no Aux tracks in Luna? Are they all just considered buses?

[@TheSteveKinney]

That is correct. Aux tracks are just busses.

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[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers mate!

[@Hearthmusic]

Another great video man!! well done. Also thanks for the verb suggestion. Pure Plate seems to work well on vox..Just have a question about the bus routing vs. PT. I always remember having to create a bus track, add the plugin to said track and set the effect 100% WET, assign an input of BUS whatever number and then go into whichever track and send out to that bus via send. Not a ton different than LUNA. Here's my question; with LUNA I swear I saw in one of your videos or maybe another channel, where they were not using a bus track, but a regular audio track and doing it that way. Did I dream that? Is a bus track the only way or correct way to do that? And then for printing the effect, use the virtual track. I get that too. Just curious. I'm going to continue to dive into LUNA and at some point I'll just email you and set up a paid session. :)

[@TheSteveKinney]

Right on mate! You’re not crazy, it’s totally possible and mega convenient. Create a new stereo track. Assign the input as a “virtual channel” - assign the output of the new track to where ever you wanna route it, masterbus, sub group etc. Take the track that you wanna send the effect to and use one of the sends in the sends panel - choose the corresponding virtual channel and send the effect. I prefer to do prefader. And I like to send unity gain or 100% of the signal - sometimes I like to send more to drive the input stage of the plugin module, for example studio d chorus and lexicon 224 distorts in a cool way. You’ll have to turn input monitoring on at this point. But you can now simple hit record and “print” your effect to wav - turn off the DSP based plugins and save resources. 😎 Cheers!

[@eleven21_music]

Steve, great series! It's been very helpful to me so far. Question...I'm having issues soloing individual tracks when using outboard gear. I route all of my tracks or mix busses into a summing mixer, then to an SSL Fusion and back into Luna via audio track. When I try to solo and individual track I don't get any sound. Am I doing something wrong?

[@TheSteveKinney]

Duuuude! Byron, thanks so much for the support and the kind words! I would do terrible things to have one of those SSL fusions. They are such cool boxes. Anyways, right click that solo button on the return track of the SSL, and choose solo safe. That should do it.

[@eleven21_music]

@@TheSteveKinney the separation I'm able to get by running the Dangerous Music Dbox into the Fusion is amazing! The possibilities will be endless once I'm able to get Luna to cooperate with my outboard gear. Thanks for the feedback!

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@eleven21_music yeah - those are both amazing pieces of gear. I’ll likely try to pick the fusion up sooner than later. They will be coveted units years from now. Cheers!

[@chizzulwinduh1941]

Great tutorial, thanks! One thing; how do you find the value and then compensate for any delay in the routing in and out to external hardware?

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey there! Great question. 1. Add a new track - have a 1 Sample size transient 2. Route that out of to the external gear and return 3. Hit record 4. Manually measure the distance in samples between the original sample and the new one. 5. Use the utility row in luna to either delay all tracks or move forward the other track. Hopefully that makes sense! A lot of extra work, but should be good. One thing I've noticed & not sure if this is sample accurate but a number of my sources that were external - I printed them back in as I'm bouncing down my session and the latency wasn't there after I actually capture the source to wav. give that a try and see how it impacts your latency. After recording it - seemed like it was aligned or at least, oddly enough - much much closer. Anyways, they haven't gotten the Automatic delay compensation just yet - but I'm sure it's coming. Hope this helps - cheers!

[@chizzulwinduh1941]

@@TheSteveKinney Many thanks for your answer. It does seem time consuming and antiquated, I hope they get to adding automatic delay compensation soon. I have AutoAlign, I think that may help make the process less convoluted in the mean time.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@chizzulwinduh1941 Right on mate, I'm pretty sure that they are working on it. If I had to guess, that utility function is more than likely the precursor to having an automatic software running in the background. Cheers!

[@versuswhat]

hey Steve - thanks for a wonderful series that’s helping tremendously in getting to grips with Luna. One questions - any idea why exporting mixdowns take so long? for eg. A 2” test track with about 3 audio tracks and 3 software instrument tracks took more 6 minutes to export as an mp3 of “high” quality. Just wondering if that’s normal or I’m doing something wrong! Cheers.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey Vikram, great to see ya in the comments again, and glad you're enjoying the series, a couple more coming soon. That said, I've heard of the slow export thing. I'm not sure what's causing it. Could be an AU plugin that's not a UAD plugin. Could be system/hardware related. Truthfully not sure here. If you really wanna test this out to find out -. try disabling all plugins and exporting again, if it's faster, then you know if might be one of them. If you can recreate this successfully each time - you may be able to hit the "feedback" button at the top to send it off to UA to get fixed. Cheers brotha!

[@versuswhat]

@@TheSteveKinney hey Steve - thanks as always for getting back! I'll try without the plugins. I have a set of Toontrack instruments - drums and keys - on two tracks. Hope that's not what causing the problem though!

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@versuswhat id imagine it’s not the drums - as I’m exporting with those as well all the time. I’d bet it might be in a plugin.

[@cjsinatra27]

Hey Steve do you offer mixing & mastering services? I don’t see an option for it on your website. Your video quality is eye candy by the way

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey brotha! Thanks for the kind words! I love film & cinematography! I do for sure. I should have my email there for inquiries. Just reach out to me and let’s chat, share the rough mix too. Would love to help! -Steve

[@lydfar2392]

Great video series! 👍I trying to find information on how many busses I can ran in Luna. So far I have only seen examples with up to 8 busses at the time. Coming from Pro Tools, I'm used have to way more than 8 and it's a huge thing for my workflow. Can you enlighten me, please? Thanks a lot. 🙂

[@TheSteveKinney]

Eh... 8 busses? I don’t know that there is a limit on busses. I have 4 or 5 busses just for vocal effects alone. Now. There IS a limit on plugin inserts. At 8 per channel. But nothing that I know of about busses.

[@lydfar2392]

@@TheSteveKinney ah, I see that makes sense. I must have gotten it the other way around. I'm not a native speaker. 😉 Of course that's kind of silly of me to think that. I'm so deep into work, at the time and had little to none experience with Luna. It got my attention when they announced that it has "import session data" now. I can't work without session import data, as it is such an important part of my work flow. If Lunas import function is on part with Pro Tools, I will definitely be interested in trying it out. The obstacle being that I have to buy a UAD interface first. 😴 But your videos has been great and I will keep coming back. I'm actually fine with PT, but like the cleaner interface in Luna better. Looks like they took the annoying things from PT and arranged it in a more clever way. Kind of a blend of Logic and PT, if that makes sense? ☺️ Oh, and better support for controllers like the SSL UF8, would be welcomed. Especially with midi control of plugins, like in Logic and many other DAW's. Kind of surprised to find out that they are lacking behind on that particular subject. 🤔 Plugin control is a must for me. AVID finally did it right with S1 and plugin mapping. Greetings. 👍

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@lydfar2392 sooo spot on with this comment mate! Yeah - PT is so bulky that it would be hard to imagine that session import is as good or better than PT - I couldn’t tell ya unfortunately! I’m sure it gets the job done but PT has just been the top dog for so long that they’ve really went over the top with every feature to the point that it kind of sucks to work in. But ya! You are right. They are really making the best of all worlds, picking the best from everyone else’s daw ha ha won’t be long until it’s on par! I’d HAVE to imagine that plugin control will be a sight to behold with Luna whenever they do implement it. Surely they are working on the best version of it out there. But that’s just my theory. Cheers!

[@adamphillips6747]

Is there auto delay compensation when you use outboard or do I have to do math like Pro Tools?

[@TheSteveKinney]

Yeah - PT is still better than Luna with the outboard gear thing.. LUNA is the pits of the bottom when it comes to working with outboard gear... you're only real option is to use outboard gear going INTO the session... using outboard gear during mixing is essentially impossible because there is no real way to measure the latency because the latency changes each time the session is loaded due to the way the Apollo will load DSP. It's my biggest gripe and I'm always vocal on the forums about this.

[@adamphillips6747]

@@TheSteveKinney much appreciated.

[@CODEOFCONDUCTENT.]

Question when you run a vocal to a bus would you make it stereo or mono? On my effect bus like reverb delay etc it will be stereo. When I record vocal is mono. I usually run my Vocal to a mono bus but just wondering if stereo will be good

[@TheSteveKinney]

If you’re bussing your source to effects - you will want it stereo. Actually come to think of it - I never really have a situation where I’d want a mono bus.

[@CODEOFCONDUCTENT.]

@@TheSteveKinney thanks for the response back. Effects yeah I bus out stereo. But I’ve been running my lead vocal to bus mono but then run into output is stereo. I just do bus stereo from now on lead vocals. I’ve heard people bus mono before but I think so for certain instruments.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@CODEOFCONDUCTENT. well I mean the vocal track should be mono - but effects like reverb and delay are stereo - so definitely bus those effects in stereo. 😎

[@mitzthegamer]

I am considering changing to Luna after watching your video! Really good Do you recommend me switching to Mac to Luna from being a windows user using ableton live ? If so , which Mac would be sufficient between the Mac Studio M2 Max 512gb storage and 32gb of ram (that’s only option available) or Mac Studio M2 Ultra 1tb and 64gb ram (that’s the only option available) Also, I have an Apollo twin x quad and satellite octo but thinking of also getting an Apollo x 8 , will that improve my sound quality ect ? Does Luna let you insert more plugins on each track as much as you want as long as there is enough dsp? And does Luna give you real analog sound quality ?

[@TheSteveKinney]

A lot to unpack there: 1. I think you could truly be on any OS - so long as the tools you need are there.. if Ableton isn't doing what you need it to do, and the tool you might need is Luna, well... Luna hasn't hit windows yet.. no telling when it will.. so, maybe a Mac isn't a bad idea, as you can use both Luna and Ableton... additionally, the Apollo's have an easier time with Core audio than with Asio4all. Mac IMHO is a better system overall for audio.. not trying to get into a flame war, just my personal experience. 2. You'd obviously enjoy a better experience with the M2 Ultra.. if it's within the budget, I'd be going for that. If it's stretching, you'd be able to squeeze the performance out of the Max. I'm rocking the m1 Max still.. and it's sweet, there are moments where I hit the top end of what it can do, but it's usually when I have a bunch of programs running in addition to a large project. No matter what computer you get... you can expect to need to replace it after about 3 - 4 years.. especially if you are doing Operating system updates (which is a no no.. never do this)... if you don't do software updates, you can live with it for much longer. 3. the Twin X has some of the best converters in the lineup.. the x8 is basically the exact same, the difference would be unnoticeable and you'd have more I/o as well as DSP, which is always a good thing. 4. Luna allows for 8 plugins per channel, plus included tape inserts. DSP is limited by the amount available in your system, but you can potentially run up to a total of 8 DSP powered plugins per live input channel now. 4 of which would be "printed" into the track, and the other 4 would be monitored. 5. Because Luna is largely powered by UA's modeling which is commonly understood to be one of the best modeling in the industry... it certainly CAN sound analogue, but other daw's could do the same if you utilize the same plugins.. so - that part of it isn't necessarily more analogue than any other daw... HOWEVER... it's the WORKFLOW that makes it feel more analogue and gets you to an analogue place faster. That's kind of what sets it apart. Cheers, Steve

[@mitzthegamer]

@@TheSteveKinney thank you so much for the detailed explanation, it makes a lot more sense now

[@mitzthegamer]

Hi , what is the specs of your M1 Max ?

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@mitzthegamer mine is like the first system you describe except I have a 1tb internal drive.

[@mitzthegamer]

@@TheSteveKinney will it be fine if I go with the M2 Max 512gb storage and 32gb ram to handle at least just over 100 tracks with plugins and a buffer rate of 128 or 64 ? What buffer rate do you use and how many tracks and plugins is your session and the cpu load if you don’t mind me asking just to have an idea ?

[@tryganderson9620]

do you mind sharing the quick way (shortcut) to set the volume of a send to zero? i can't find it but you mention it in a video. Sorry to bother. thanks

[@TheSteveKinney]

Not entirely a shortcut. But double click the value and type zero and return.

[@Check-it-out]

There is signal sent and coming into my buss channel but i can't here it on my monitors. Anyone ?

[@TheSteveKinney]

Check your cue outputs and the output on the buss .. It’s also possible it’s blocking you from feedback if the buss is incorrectly routed.

[@Check-it-out]

I'll check it out. Thx for the quick response !@@TheSteveKinney

[@fastriver6712]

Another great video... but still having trouble when you say the keyboard shortcut instead of what actual function you are employing. If we don't know the shortcut by heart, we don't know what you are doing.

[@TheSteveKinney]

I feel ya bro. I definitely will take note of this. It’s kind of funny cause I am weird. I literally only learn functions by shortcuts. Just how I think about it. But again I’m a weirdo ha 😂

[@enricopellegrino6122]

I saw that there are only 8 insert slots to add plugins.... can they be increased? how you do it?

[@TheSteveKinney]

8 per channel is it. If you’re using tape plugins, they have a specific tape slot. Additionally, if you’re using effects like reverb and delay they should be on its own bus. Not on the track. If you need more than 8…. You probably should be re-recording the signal lol or you are running your spatial effects incorrectly. But yes. 8 is the ceiling. I suppose you could hack this into virtually unlimited amounts by creating numerous busses or virtual channels and routing the output of the track into that new track to get another 8 inserts and so on… But I digress. Great question. Cheers mate!

[@enricopellegrino6122]

@@TheSteveKinney my plugin chain in the mixbus contains more than 8 plugins this is a problem for me.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@enricopellegrino6122 likely not. You can run a bus into a bus… literally just explained this. 🥲 Luna is a wide open mixer system. You can literally create any sort of routing you might need and you can do it on the fly. What are you currently using? PT?

[@enricopellegrino6122]

@@TheSteveKinney studio one

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@enricopellegrino6122 right on! SOP is great. There is a lot of things missing from Luna that SOP and PT still have. It would be hard to argue to switch from it TBF.

[@harithalfadhil4715]

didn't work for me for some kind of reason

[@TheSteveKinney]

What didn’t work? 🧐