Scientifically Ranking Taylor Swift's Ex-Boyfriend's .... 🐍 Evolution of a Snake Podcast

[@goldendream5465]

Hating Matty Healy but rating his lore contribution 10/10 is SO REAL. I think he might rank number one for me based on lore and Guilty as Sin alone

[@scatteredstraw]

About the whole “they would ask if she really wrote those songs” bit, there’s an awards speech in 2010 where Mayer OUTRIGHT admits he confronted her on who wrote those songs, and then she just composed one in front of him to prove it. Like he said “prove it” to a fucking 19 y/o with more talent in her pinkie than his entire body.

[@theswiftologist]

he should go to jail

[@jubilee4]

Holy shit. What a douche

[@meadhbhloml]

​@@theswiftologist 🎶you deserve prison but you won't get time🎶

[@scatteredstraw]

@@theswiftologist And may he rot there, tbh.

[@giuliabonechi1864]

YIKES

[@thomas_kwantodaki]

"all i know is we said hello" the way madeline said it I WAS CRACKLINGGGGGGG

[@Chinni_C888]

Oh, this is exactly the type of escapism I needed today. I'm gonna go out, get takeaway, bring it home, and eat it while watching this. What a treat! Thanks, you guys!!

[@JaiProdz]

What are you ordering?

[@Chinni_C888]

@@JaiProdz Five Guys cheeseburger and fries. I'm 18 mins into watching and I'm already stuffed both mentally and physically 🧸😀 On that note, F John Mayer 🤬

[@cutefirefly6705]

I did the same thing!!! Except I ordered kebab

[@amberscott3409]

this is genuinely one of your best episodes of all time

[@maeve-sv6wd]

factssss

[@theswiftologist]

THANK!

[@alivianaomi9937]

The flow was flowing!

[@micaelakedhammar5066]

When you debated over what type of "purse" Ratty is, all I could see was Sabrina Carpenter's ziplock bag with just the sunglasses and lipstick in it

[@jillsarah7356]

AAAAHAHAHA

[@Inksplatter1991]

😂

[@originalparafan]

Yes. Thank you for the giggle on this fine day.

[@giulianarob]

If Jake Gyllenhaal was a purse he'd be a very unnecessarily complicated purse that's also very heavy

[@wilwolferine]

"He looks inanimate, like an escaped madam tussauds figure" is CRAZY

[@Philosophicalavocado]

Joe Jonas: All that I know is I don't know how to be something you miss. Taylor Lautner: You gave me all your love and all I gave you was goodbye. John Mayer: Give me back my girlhood it was mine first. Jake Gyllenhaal: So casually cruel in the name of being honest. Connor Kennedy: All I know is a new found grace. Harry Styles: Everyone wants him that was my crime. Calvin Harris: I wanted to leave him I needed a reason. Tom Hiddleston: Us traitors never win. Joe Alwyn: Do something, babe, say something. Matty Healy: Forever is the sweetest con.

[@AlisonBell-c1d]

Great pics!

[@the_piano_nerd4960]

@@AlisonBell-c1dI love that Calvin Harris’s lyric is from a song that isn’t even about him lolllll

[@soaribb32]

Great choices

[@jubilee4]

It's like she foretold her doomed fate with Matty in Cowboy like me! He was supposed to be forever but she never figured he'd con her too 😭🤡💀 4 years ago I would've interpreted that line differently but now, well.... what double entendre amirite 👀

[@Philosophicalavocado]

@@jubilee4 i know right? Figuring out a line for Matty was the hardest, with so much material from ttpd (i was thinking will i always wonder? or really anything from cososom) but then I remembered reading about the cowboy like me interpretation and it's just such a genius line

[@amberscott3409]

I CANT WITH YOU GUYS FORGETTING TAYLOR LAUTNER 💀💀💀

[@marywatson5320]

Probably because he wasn't drama.

[@iaintgonnanamethis8104]

Freudian slip 😶

[@kmjkmjkmj]

I honestly think he has been upgraded to "friend" so he has been taken off the ex-list.

[@LB-xz9ub]

He even married another woman called Taylor for Godsakes!

[@GreedyLiz]

So on brand. I just can't. 😶‍🌫️

[@sammienicholls3523]

I’m so glad you acknowledged that the manuscript is about ATW and Jake

[@causeimnachoprincess]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="61">1:01</a>:08 "The crowd was chanting 'less.' The crowd was chanting 'something different please.' " I'M DEAD

[@marywatson5320]

Not blaming taylor too much for dating or taking too much interest in her private life neither dehumanising or talking down too much on the men. It's about the impact on the music. The only respectful way to go about it.

[@ashleyboudreau8341]

Only the mild dehumanizing in the form of viewing them as purses 👛 😂 But that's literally nothing compared to the way women get dehumanized so they should feel flattered.

[@whenitrains2777]

And that not even necessary. Art is open to interpretation.

[@reginanewport-so3du]

People said she looked upset during All Too Well at the first August Wembley show so she and Travis must be broken up and I'm like, she's upset about Vienna and the UK dance party stabbings! Like, what in the world? She can be sad about non-Travis things!

[@Swiftie4EVER-]

I’m sorry but Madeline is such a queen. We need a Madeline roast session for anything Taylor related she is SO FUNNY

[@theswiftologist]

say that!!

[@alick7825]

She is such a delight!!

[@Einhornsunicorns]

Did I already listen on Spotify? Yes. Will I listen again to see your faces? Well yes.

[@jabbygurl]

Haha same!

[@ChiaraP010]

PERIOT.

[@happydude5517]

EXACTLY

[@provolonewanderer9892]

Same

[@theswiftologist]

ABSOLUTELY !!!

[@cc1526]

The line that encapsulates Joe A and Taylor for me is “I know my love should be celebrated, but you tolerate it.” Another contender would be “Is it really your anxiety that stops you from giving me everything, or do you just not want to?”

[@That_BrownGirl]

I prefer this way of ranking to just ranking them on the basis of who treated her better

[@sirensvibes222]

Frrr like who cares about that we are not her, and even her she probably thinks the same cause she truly uses them as muses for her work so.. yeah

[@That_BrownGirl]

@@sirensvibes222 for sure...

[@cinnamontoastbread]

​@@sirensvibes222yes someone trying to get married when she was with the cig only uses men for muses, your so right. agree with the style of ranking for the video tho, I love these 2❤

[@cinnamontoastbread]

well yes, the point/joke of the video is all of them were trash

[@coniwiiuwu5578]

@@cinnamontoastbreadTom and Taylor are literally there?

[@marywatson5320]

Taylor didn't have a full on disney kid breakdown, not really a scandal and sehe was growing up in the industry. Thats why they came for her dating life

[@andreaf8404]

"the soundtrack to acting on an intrusive thought took me out" 😭😭

[@julg2124]

I agree "Chloe or Sam" is the whole tea. It just is and it's sad. You guys are so fun and love to watch your shows. You have great chemistry together.

[@theswiftologist]

[@ingridbrandt7710]

If Tom Hiddleston hadn’t been Taylor’s getaway car, could he have been a ”purse” that made her happy for a long time? He seemed to genuinely adore her and I was rooting for them. Ah well…timing is everything in life.

[@lauracgc]

I personally don’t think so. I think he really was in settle down mode. Maybe if they had met later in life? But I do think her personal life was too big for what he could have handled despite being also a familiar name. He is my favourite tho lol

[@Sherlocked.Loki-Swift]

@@ingridbrandt7710 He treated her so well for her to treat him the way she did was honestly appalling. It's the only ex I'm genuinely annoyed at Taylor over.

[@LK-lz6lk]

She knew he was a good guy...but, she just didn't love him & ya just can't force love.

[@Sherlocked.Loki-Swift]

@@LK-lz6lk you don't have to force love just don't mess around with someone who's more into you then you are with them and use them as a reason to leave a different boyfriend. That's unacceptable behavior.

[@jeanettewishall6362]

I think that she wanted to feel more for him than she did. Like, she knew she should but it just wasn't there for her. And I think she might wish sometimes that it was there. Or maybe I just like to think she does because I'm such a fan of his.

[@renjunsshortlegs1288]

" He's gonna die alone " I'M DECEASED 💀

[@theswiftologist]

periodt

[@TheJenGordon]

Deserved

[@DestinyDrotzur]

“In a yellow dress, mourning” absolutely sent me 😂😂😂 Once again, great video guys! I’m always giggling when I watch your videos!

[@meganhartman2755]

Also, just my own personal headcannon. When Taylor is referring to “Jail” it’s Joe, when she’s referring to the “(mental) hospital” it’s Matty.

[@ellenkristiantisitompul5683]

I thought the same thing, i thought joe is jail, mental hospital is ratty.

[@yasmine-l4g]

Exactly!!!!!!

[@DrMLE-76]

Yes 🙌 THIS!

[@JamieHarris-uw8gx]

Lol! Matty Healy is the mental hospital……

[@TheJenGordon]

As someone who is married to an addict, it does feel that way from time to time. This is honestly the album that I connected with the most

[@Hawther]

I don't think Calvin is dead to her .. she forgot he existed. BUT boy oh boy is she dead to him

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

In this essay, I will... Say that the reason "Much Better" flopped is because "Forever and Always" and "Better Than Revenge" had a fucking beat. Taylor Lautner being almost forgotten until the end shook me. John Mayer is a living Colleen Hoover romance hero. Jake Gyllenhaal still needs to return that scarf. Connor Kennedy was a cringe summer fling. Harry Styles brings all the drama. I feel ashamed for buying into the swan float picture of Calvin and Taylor. Tom Hiddleston is my personal favorite just because he's not problematic and I am also a Loki fangirl. Joe Alwyn gets a pass for how he contributed to Taylor's music, but he should get into modeling cuz his acting career is going nowhere. Matty Healy is my personal least favorite, even worse than Mayer, because he made Taylor SO STUPID for the messiest hot girl summer ever Can't wait to see what songs Travis inspires beyond "So High School." And I'll still die on the hill thinking The Alchemy is a Tayvis song.

[@cardiganweather]

Fully agree with all of this. I co-sign

[@inoussette-b]

I feel like the alchemy was written about matty but she threw some random football references in the chorus to make it look like it was about travis

[@philjan23]

@AMoniqueOcampo no need of dying, that hill is real, like, oficial real

[@thankunext3378]

​@@inoussette-b I think is about Travis but there are some lines that make me rethink sometimes. Like "there's a sign in your heart says it's still reserved for me" Taylor and Travis already started dating after they met, they were never separated. Meanwhile Ratty and Taylor....🤔 Maybe it was a love song to Matty but she was like: "Nah f*ck him, i will make this about my new bf" Lmao.

[@florencehaber9847]

​@@thankunext3378Taylor could have been referring to when years ago Travis was asked the question marry, kiss or kill and he was so much younger than and the interviewer gave him three choices-- Katy Perry, Taylor and Ariana. Travis didn't really want to answer but put on the spot he killed Ariana, marry Katy and kiss Taylor so Taylor could be referring to that in her line-' still reserved for me. With Matty she had already been speaking to him and even seeing him. The Alchemy fits more with Travis as she was done with Matty by then. Or perhaps in the beginning of Travis and Taylor she told Travis about Matty and by the time she finished writing her two albums, The Alchemy was "I am coming back to you" meaning I am really over Matty totally. Which listening to " The Smallest Man That Ever Lived " certainly tells me she was over Matty. The songs about Matty in TTPD were not flattering or hopeful songs. In the songs about Matty you see lines that if you know 1975 or Matty you know they are about Matty but The Alchemy has nothing about Matty. To me it says she is done with English men and living in London and glad to be back in the US for an American guy. Or she met Travis and went back on touring overseas and Travis has football and they don't see each other and she gets a break, and she sees Travis has still reserved his heart for her. The Fortnight video is so Matty coded. The songs about Matty are so Matty coded. The Alchemy wasn't Matty coded at all.

[@nubesvaporosas]

I'm sitting here on my robe, in the living room, today i turn 24, my daughter left on the school bus, my mom went out for a bussiness meeting, had no plans for today aside from scrolling when i saw the post and remembered you said we would get another video version of the podcast on wednesday, tbh i had forgotten my birthday would be today. It absolutely made my day. Thank you. Also Zach you look seriously good in this.

[@theresalewis8665]

Happy birthday!

[@wintaassefa8479]

Oh, happy birthday !

[@the_piano_nerd4960]

Happy birthday girl!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤

[@theswiftologist]

happy birthday diva!!!

[@Sparkling34]

I find it wild that taylor swift was writting break up songs about Joe by her second album about him! she wrote three break up albums about him while they were still dating! how did he not know? and how unhinged is it to write so many break up songs about a person you are still dating! they lived together, how did he not say anything?

[@Hortonfantastic4]

I think about this all the time. He’s over there thinking it’s fiction. What? That’s why I think his writing credits are because they are real life situations he was a part of that inspired her writing. It’s was so close (lifted lines from conversations) to real life that she “credited” him rather than expose him. She felt a family love to him, not a sexy love by that point (Covid)

[@TryingtoreachsubswithNovideos]

Did she really live with Joe they were like what 17-18 😭. Fearless didn’t release until after the breakup ?

[@LB-xz9ub]

​@@TryingtoreachsubswithNovideosthey met when he was still fairly fresh outta drama school at 25 and she was 26

[@TryingtoreachsubswithNovideos]

@@LB-xz9ub ngl I really thought they were talking about joe Jonas 😭

[@MidnyteWolf]

This concept is proof to me that that man was not listening to her songs, probably not unless she played it for him. Everyone is always like, "How did he listen to [insert song here] and not suspect anything??" Well, because he wasn't listening most likely lol. He always felt detached enough to me that I suspected he wasn't involved in her music unless she forced him to be.

[@Sherlocked.Loki-Swift]

I truly wish she had worked out with Tom Hiddleston. They were so expensive together.

[@wa11ie]

this is the singular hiddleswift take. nothing left to be said.

[@tana3875]

@@Sherlocked.Loki-Swift they looked so gorgeous and somehow aesthetic together like an old Hollywood couple. It was insane.

[@MsTriangle]

That's because he's tall and dapper.

[@valentinagelatina]

also he loved her... like she wanted from somebody

[@ChristopherMarshburn]

@@valentinagelatinaand that’s why she dated him for three months. Right.

[@izzie740]

The transition between the mused KILLED me! "Speaking of feminist awakenings that were abandoned 💀" that was PEAK everything

[@РутаАсадаускайте]

The Conor Kennedy part is SENDING ME

[@ELiFishyGold]

I love how articulate and funny you are! 13/10 video.

[@theswiftologist]

thanks x

[@MingukFilms]

As an OG Swiftie… AND a Demi Lovato fan…. The Joe Jonas lore was too entertaining back then, they were everything!

[@mcbello3319]

I think Haylor afected her a lot with the thing about protecting her relationships from the public... she learned from that relationship how toxic and damaging the public eye can be on 'love'

[@Im_Julissa]

She had a bed dating rep long before she ended up with Harry. It shouldn’t of taken her that long

[@mcbello3319]

@@Im_Julissa thats so true, but im not talking about how dating afected her reputation, more about how the public eye afected the relationship

[@KeithAGass]

Madeline 1. Jake 2. Ratty 3. Tie (Harry & Joe Alwyn) 4. Tie (Joe Jonas & Tom) 5. John 6. Connor 7. Taylor 8. Calvin Zach 1. Jake 2. Harry 3. Joe Jonas 4. Joe Alwyn 5. Tie (John, Tom, & Ratty) 6. Taylor 7. Conor 8. Calvin

[@venusworship]

Zach putting Joe Jonas over Joe Alwyn is so funny

[@platypuspalace4987]

“Is this lore or just things that happened?” Is so funny to me.

[@Gosgos666]

for Harry I would quote either "two paper airplanes flying flying" or "wss it over then and is it over now"

[@meganbee6859]

The way I CACKLED when you compared Joe Alwyn to an escaped Madame Tussaud's figure.

[@alyssiaskyee]

FINALLY people recognising that ikywt isn’t about harry styles 😭🙏🏻

[@SlayingSuperNerdX]

It can’t be right…it physically CANT be

[@originalparafan]

“The soundtrack to acting on an impulsive thought” “And it’s delicious” I friggen love Zach and Madeline.

[@Baby_duck4]

The only legit Taylor fan YT channel, thanks Zach

[@PiLarTheStarlet]

I love y'all chemistry. You play so well off each other. It's Gorgina!

[@theswiftologist]

🩷🩷🩷🩷

[@cj3617]

This is genuinely the most invested I’ve ever been in a podcast lmao I usually get bored during them but I was SAT for the snakes.

[@nataliemo24]

Besties, the editing with the instrumentals of the songs in the background when you’re discussing them is *chef’s kiss* perfect! Always love y’all’s commentary. ♥️

[@skmarshall22]

I think “a crooked love in a straight line down” is lightning. Something beautiful, bright, and jagged that’s gonna hit the ground.

[@ym63738]

I remember Taylor actually explained the we're a crooked love in a straight line down line and said that it connects to Style in the sense that their timing was always off and it never quite synced up right so Madeline's explanation is spot on

[@niamhm4109]

'When I look too long I get scared' I SCREAMED😭

[@Gratefulrose36]

I had the same reaction to Would’ve Could’ve Should’ve. I rmr when the album dropped and it got to that song; I was reading/hearing the lyrics on my tv and my mouth was open in shock. What a cook!

[@j.6133]

You both are so incredibly witty!😆 Thank you for this podcast.👏

[@theswiftologist]

Thanks for listening

[@Tillyhannthomas]

Ahhhh been waiting for this all day!!

[@AlejandroStClair]

Thank you both for always keeping me so well fed, one of my absolute most favorite things about the swiftologist + eoas pod, other that the ology of it all, is the consistency! I love always getting new vids each week/month 🫶

[@theswiftologist]

Our pleasure!

[@elleneastwood7435]

Isn't 'I Forgot that you Existed?' about Calvin Harris? That's kind of the perfect sum up of that relationship.

[@mariachiara1723]

Yesss

[@juliajulia8173]

while i agree, it is also said to be about kanye west, kim k, haters and the like, since it’s the opening track on lover but actually who really knows

[@theswiftologist]

no x

[@DefineObsessed]

It's more about the end of the 1989 era - the end of Reputation era as a whole.

[@LisaBright15]

I sing it and think of Calvin, does that count? 😂

[@therealgorgina13]

you guys are genuinely two of the funniest people on the internet!! 😭😭😭 and this is peak 13/10 gorgina brava boots on the ground content 🔥🔥

[@ducky19991]

Calvin not making the thumbnail is hilarious

[@butwhatiftheydid]

Can I just say I have been waiting, practically begging, for this video since I discovered your channel a few months ago, and it lived up to everything I hoped it would! I was eating this up, please roast the musty exes more often! 😂 Thank you for this masterpiece!

[@theswiftologist]

[@butwhatiftheydid]

​@@theswiftologistgirl I will always be SEATED for the cooking that happens on your channel

[@rachelh1445]

These longer evolution videos have become my go to for my long walks and runs. They are perfect and always keep me informed and entertained. Thank you!!!😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤

[@sanne7421]

I would also sum up the Joe Alwyn relationship with - would it be enough if i could never give you peace? Long story short. No.

[@TyliCole]

I would love to see more evolution of a snake podcast, i love both of your energy. its so funny and really entertaining. I always learn something new. 1 episode per week would be amazing. love you!!!

[@theswiftologist]

More to come!

[@RaraMri-b8s]

Can we just give a shoutout to these people...esp Zach!! Like you're just such a good journalist and always give thoughtful and critical opinions on everything. You're such a reliable and genuine source, like never stop making content please!!!

[@theswiftologist]

thanks diva!!

[@jillsarah7356]

Divas. The video was getting towards the end and the way I GASLIT myself into believing that you had covered Taylor Lautner earlier and I must have forgotten. 😂 I am unwell 😂

[@kelseybowman5463]

Iconic. The subject, the commentary, the editing, the dragging Calvin Harris, the content as a whole. That is all. 13/10

[@Espi1502]

I actually hope/want that at least one of the Rep Tv vault is inspired by tom 🐍🔥

[@AllyGirl-hg2sb]

Same

[@raphynette]

Already watched the extended cut on the Patreon & will watch once more, this episode was excellent 🐍

[@theswiftologist]

DIVA behavior

[@ivanncc.x]

Divas we r sat; did i watch this already? Absolutely but am i watching it again? ABSOLUTELYYY

[@JenniferDonahue702]

Same. Cook!

[@chibap84]

Great video! I don't get the tongue in cheek vibes from anyone else but you two combined when discussing Taylor, 10 out of 10 ❤❤

[@frostedark998]

an episode going through every song and who they’re about would be so entertaining!!! i’d love to hear ur guys perspectives as og fans

[@mayholloway1693]

‘We call them purses’ had me howling…and never stopped! You two - love the rational, critical and super astute views - are always spot on! And now I say Gorgina all the time, even if no one in my life knows where it comes from!

[@vladleiva4055]

I just love how my girl Taylor loves to date a man with a basic white name. JOE, JOHN, JAKE 😭

[@SlayingSuperNerdX]

Tom

[@irem8126]

Travis

[@christyy0713]

Listened to this on Spotify, now time to watch it too! Love the episode

[@safran9119]

So glad she escaped the Kennedy curse 💀💀

[@donnad1204]

Really good. I loved this evaluation of her muses.

[@eves1503]

Awesome episode, guys! Light-hearted and fun.

[@Brooks430]

😊I think I knew you were trouble is about John Mayer. The first line and the hat she has the guy wearing in the video. Plus, Jake is described as having a sweet disposition, while John is obvious trouble.

[@Darlingiamscared]

I agree 💯

[@kreer-d3f]

I used to think it was about John, but after looking at the hidden message, I agree that it's Jake. Jake said in an interview years ago that one of his favorite bands was Temper Trap. They sing the song "Sweet Disposition." Taylor said "Treacherous" was the beginning of a relationship and "IKYWT" was the end of that same relationship. The hidden message for "Treacherous" - Won't stop till it's over - which are lyrics in "Sweet disposition."

[@theswiftologist]

this is an age old debate within the fandom lol

[@liz.a314]

The chats n reacts girlies also explained how it’s actually about harry

[@kreer-d3f]

@@liz.a314 They are wrong. Taylor & Harry met March 31, 2012 at the KCAs. Taylor attended a country music awards show in Las Vegas on April 1 while 1D performed in LA for VEVO. 1D were in NYC April 2 -7 for SNL rehearsals and their live performance on April 7. 1D were in Australia doing interviews on April 10 ahead of their Up All Night tour in Australia (April 13-22). It was around April 22 that the Harry and Emma Ostilly kissing pics came out. Haylors claim Taylor was upset and broke up with Harry and then wrote IKYWT. When exactly did they date?? Haylors like to claim they dated for a few months that spring, but when? Taylor wrote "Everything Has Changed about Conor Kennedy at the end of May. That relationship was actually longer than people think - just as long as her relationship with Harry, possibly even longer. Also, do people listen to the lyrics of IKYWT? It's a scathing song. Taylor said that she saw the red flags and dated him anyway. "Shame on me." If it's about Harry, why would she date him AGAIN that fall? That makes Taylor look extremely stupid. If that's the case, she deserved all the criticism she got about her dating life. When Taylor sang "IKYWT" at the Brits in Feb 2013, she said, "It's not hard to access that emotion when the person the song is DIRECTED AT is standing by the side of the stage watching." Directed at doesn't mean she wrote the song about Harry.

[@natijade]

Been saving this to watch the video yesss!

[@evermoreconcepts]

the editing in the intro is insane omg

[@theswiftologist]

king tyler our new editor slaying!!

[@e.brewin9038]

Excellent break down! For some reason I love the Tom interlude. He was just so daffy and into it. For Taylor Lautner, the fact that they're friends now adds to the lore for me, because it's a sign of maturity in our Taylor. One hundred percent agree on a dead last for Calvin. Calvin who?

[@missydemeanors1760]

Spot on. However, I will die on the hill that MANY of the songs attributed to the Turkey are actually about the Rat. That was a 10 year longing game.

[@tana3875]

The Conor Kennedy dating situation gives me the ICKKK w his age in high school, her doing a photo thing at a family grave, and how his mom died like weeks before 😭

[@Bella-ht5jb9he3z]

Agreed. She uses her Exs for songs then her fans attack them. Now they are doing it to Travis's ex. Using racism as well. Connor wasn't right by any means. If a guy did that he would be canceled.

[@tana3875]

@@kmjkmjkmj while I understand what you’re saying, I still disagree. Even though 17-18 year old girls may be viewed and treated through a difference lens than boys, a 17-18 year old is still that age, regardless of gender. One of his parents ended their life a few weeks before he met Taylor, and seemingly she DID “use and throw away” him, for her Kennedy obsession / summer romance, didn’t she? So he was at a vulnerable state beyond just age. I’m not here to hate or imply she’s a bad person OR that it’s a John/Jake situation, I just have always seen this as something very weird. 17-18 year old boys can be vulnerable to toxic relationship dynamics too. Please don’t take this as me trying to argue or be disrespectful, I just respectfully don’t agree.

[@user-tp6ho4un2c]

An 18 year old dating a 22 year old isn’t weird.

[@krk.1999]

For real 😭 I never even knew about this as just a fan of the music since 2008 (in like 2020 I became a more involved fan) but like I wish I could go back in time and shake her and tell her you’re actually out of your mind this is crazy please stop 😭😭😭😭😭

[@walkingtheline1729]

You need to remember this is after john mayer and jake. I wouldnt be surprised if she thought it was okay because they did it and that there was a smaller age gap. Also before she dated those 2 guys she could haave regressed to a time before them which would be 18 and 19. In saying this harry styles and conner relationships feel icky because they both seem vulnerable and harry seemed to be messy since he was so restricted then got a bunch of freedom with the british coming of age where he could a license and drink with alot of other things.

[@moustik31]

I dont even listen to/like Taylor Swift but I have a lot of cleaning to do and your videos are always a treat to listen to.

[@saffrons12]

I will just say on the topic of Matty's chaotic creativity and the parallels to Swift's structured processes: Matty has an extreme case of ADHD and if you've followed his music for any period of time it's really clear that his flighty chaotic "mess" is what makes his art so appealing. It's why Swift was such a fan of the band's work. His lyricism is really like a Dr. Seuss character with ADHD but if you had chronic depression on a hot summer night in LA. It's wacky and different but deeply relatable.

[@pynkh08]

I've been checking your page all day for the youtube version and it's finally here! ❤

[@MidnyteWolf]

I loved this, I've seen some people ask the "best ex" thing before and I was confused by it and not into the idea because like... what does that mean? How would you even decide that?? But I think the scoring you guys did made this really fun and really interesting, and actually really well thought out 😂😭 It made me want to play along too

[@Evermore.enthusiast]

YAY swiftologist Wednesdays too life is worth living🎀

[@camilun87]

Guys!!! I cannot tell you how much I loved this episode! Love you both so so much, I couldn't stop laughing as if I were with you sharing your comments. Hugs from an Argentinian swiftie! 🤍

[@theswiftologist]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@emz-od1pu]

The hotness quote on Harry from Madeline is the realest thing ever.

[@hs.1653]

oh we are FED

[@cindylawos789]

the forgetting of taylor lautner till the end was funny!! but forgetting him in the DESCRIPTION was hilarious!!

[@Gratefulrose36]

I laughed out loud when I heard your hotness rating for the rat 🐀 😂

[@mikedebruyn]

Importance for her love life Matty 10 points. Getting him out of her system is one of the best things that ever happened for Travis and i think he accelerated Joever as well.

[@originalparafan]

This video was so fun. Thank you Zach and Madeline!!!!!!! ❤🎉

[@emmmma143]

The Calvin Harris/Tom Hiddleston play out in the summer of 2016 had me a chokehold. Then reputation coming out and the immediate clock of getaway car…there’s just nothing like watching it all unfold then getting the art

[@evgeniyaextravaganza433]

This was the best episode ever! Love you guys so much 💕

[@westantho7520]

literally just came from doing a rewatch binge of your old content😭😭 thank you for this food👑👑

[@savetheanimals5599]

There’s a song you haven’t included that to me is clearly about Matty Healy: Hits Different. Clue 1: “A wrinkle in time like the crease by your eyes” (he has a strong eye crease); clue 2: “Or have they come to take me away?” …Fornight (which is about him) starts with: “I was supposed to be sent away but they forgot to come and get me”. Just a thought.

[@sarbearr4]

Thank you for labeling the time stamps ❤

[@sulathenewfie4277]

Lyric for me with Jake…. “Like a Maserati down a dead end street”

[@lacuna9625]

As someone who isn't a swiftie, some of the banter is just nonsensical to me but this is a fun video!

[@courtreanbbq5478]

the new editing is so beautiful by the way!

[@Xave.Hyacinth]

I love the sound effects, it adds to the quality of the show!❤❤❤ why don’t you do that on the podcast? Is this like, edited after the release of an episode? I really love it, slay

[@micahbethany7655]

Oooh !! Yesss!! Please do the every song every muse and make the charts and graphs too 😂🙏🏻 I would seriously eat that up and I want the tea!! 🍵