Oceania | 1984

[@martinjoseph5410]

My fav line in the whole book: Winston: Does Big Brother exist the way I exist? O'Brien: You do not exist.

[@danielmcgillis270]

My fave. Winston: Do you think the resistance is real? Julia: No none of it is real.

[@justaguy3392]

Winston: I think I saw graphite on the ground. O'Brien: You didn't see graphite.

[@ikkemikkel2232]

@@justaguy3392 I understood that reference.

[@voidcatto1805]

@@justaguy3392 I serve the soviet union

[@erenyeager3829]

That means Big Brother isn't real.

[@Jacob-yg7lz]

Fun fact: The only bit of optimism in 1984 was that the appendix says "Newspeak was" in past tense.

[@DayOldMeat]

Yes, what's often overlooked is that the epilogue is written in-narrative, and is written in the past tense. Eventually, totalitarianism falls.

[@watermelonhead8054]

i found that to be kind of a copout tbh

[@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676]

@@DayOldMeat How do you know that was not written by a party memeber documenting INGSOC past policies, In order to plan for more permanent solutions in future?

[@DayOldMeat]

@@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676 That is a reasonable hypothesis, (I haven't checked the book to see if it works) but newspeak, at least, is consigned to history. That suggests INGSOC collapsed or became less authoritarian.

[@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676]

@@DayOldMeat On the other hand it could be written by someone outside of Oceania.

[@janicechristiedenton0451]

It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.

[@firesalamander4795]

-Winston Smith- , his chin nuzzled into his breast in an effort to escape the vile wind, slipped quickly through the glass doors of Victory Mansions, though not quickly enough to prevent a swirl of gritty dust from enter-ing along with him.

[@harkness1720]

One of the most iconic openings in literature ever.

[@noirto2]

1984 probably already creeping into our life, bad news is fake news. the ministry of truth is the cia. And the ministry of love is the NSA with it's surveillance apparatus built up temporary reveled by snowoden.

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

@@noirto2 The ministry of truth is Fox news, the CIA doesn't do propaganda they destabilize and overthrow other countries.

[@No1More1Mr1Nice1Guy1]

@@FakeSchrodingersCat what news station should we watch to be as free and smart as you?

[@michaelhaught1192]

Oh dear lord I was not prepared for that message, was nodding off to sleep when I heard my name lmao

[@felixleong61]

😂😂

[@taffysaur]

Shit, me too! Is it just a coincidence that they used our name or did it know somehow?

[@thatguy-qb6up]

Wait how because they used my name. (Jonathon) hmm...

[@pailhorsegaming6762]

I literally straightened and found I couldn’t look away... Thats... fuck that’s creepy.

[@roaringbeardragon4531]

Oof

[@KEVMAN7987]

I read a theory once that Oceania eventually fell because the index is written in the past tense as if 1984 is an educational historical document.

[@owenparris7490]

That's what I believe.

[@BrandonVout]

I brought up this theory in my English class over a decade ago. My teacher dismissed it since the whole book was written in past tense. He went on to talk about another book with a similar premise (I think it was a matriarchy distopia but I don't remember the name) that did explicitly say the regime fell in the appendix as it talked about aspects of the former regime, possibly inspired by this theory.

[@kademcarthur5362]

@@BrandonVoutWas it Handmaid’s Tale?

[@BrandonVout]

@@kademcarthur5362 No, it was about a women-dominated society, not male-dominated.

[@seranonable]

the inner party thinking that Oceania can't possibly fail is on par with North Koreans thinking that Kim Jong Un is a demigod

[@jacques8221]

It was so scary in the book when I couldnt tell for how long the ministry of love had been watching winston. Maybe they were watching him from the first pages.

[@cyqry]

Perhaps they had always been watching him, and had guided him down the path of self-destruction so that his rebellion was controlled? That's my theory for how they controlled the Outer Party, at any rate. They recognise that these folk are the most likely to rebel... so they permit it, nay they encourage it, like allowing a rebellious child to drink alcohol so the strong taste will put them off from wanting to drink again for many years to come. Allow Winston to believe it was idea all along, so he may learn the consequences, and so will not try again when they lose their watchful gaze over him.

[@pantherace1000]

They probably were.

[@maxh19991]

@Barrack Obama Vlogs That doesn't make sence tho, why cause him to rebel only to teach him a lesson if they were just going to kill him anyway?

[@maxh19991]

@Barrack Obama Vlogs Yes, that make sence, but then the point isn't to teach *him* a lesson

[@auroralaruam]

It's also notable that they do not specify any laws at all, as to not give anyone any ideas. They might allow minor infractions such as having sex, Winston writing in his book and so on, because they are mostly harmless and might prevent them from breaking larger more Important laws like undermining the party's authority or trying to join a revolution. The party is just picking and choosing their battles the best they can.

[@patsfreak]

Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past

[@liambeckett7123]

patsfreak now testify

[@cesarespinozaspain]

@@liambeckett7123 Came for this.. left satisfied... cheers

[@Mister_Kourkoutas]

patsfreak “He who controls the pants controls the galaxy!”

[@complex314i]

For those who do, the world is theirs to Command & Conquer.

[@Alejojojo6]

So the one who controls the present controls the past and the future.

[@Kemot300]

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-for ever.”

[@cavejohnson982]

Actually More positive than the rest, as it shows that the humans dont give up

[@michaelstodovski2219]

...Kinky :P

[@Garangus]

@@cavejohnson982 As in not giving up in the mission of making their fellow man suffer more.

[@thebigenchilada678]

Cave Johnson it’s not that they don’t give up it’s that they let it happen

[@nzuckman]

I don't think I've ever felt as much despair as when I read part 3 of 1984 😰

[@armydillo1013]

The thing that I found the most terrifying about oceania when I read 1984 was the fact that there was no big bad at the top who was completely aware of everything. All of these people were just allowing for this system to persist, completely complicit in it in spite of how horrible it made their lives.

[@luigivercotti6410]

I still can't quite fathom that. I mean, what's to stop a clandestine inner party conspiracy growing with the dissatisfaction of unambitious staleness, into infighting within the inner party ranks that cannot be suppressed due to the chain of command, evolving into reactionary destabilising policies surfacing just enough to kindle growing unrest with the outer party, and then the proles? The logistics and operation of the needed circular hierarchy that is necessary to deadlock the state seem impossible. If a director in a ministry can be arrested by their own agents, who decides the successor? Even if there are protocols enforced some other way, the circularity of the hierarchy always means that the outcome is going to be influenced by the original rogue element, right?

[@accountreality1988]

@@luigivercotti6410 covid warriors are a good example.

[@paji2030]

@@accountreality1988dude I never understood the Covid theories. It’s a sickness, masks help and have helped in history before, I think you guys are just too lazy, entitled and just not good people.

[@saucevc8353]

@@luigivercotti6410 Well the inner party is shown to live quite lavishly, in fact it's stated that ambitious Outer party members are often promoted to inner party to keep them satisfied. So they'd have no reason to rebel. The Outer party is the only class with any chance to desire rebellion, but they're kept under such heavy surveillance it's impossible.

[@saucevc8353]

@@accountreality1988 Basic health measures = literally 1984? Do you also complain when you wear a seatbelt?

[@thehedgehogsdilemma9478]

“If you want to picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face... FOREVER. - George Owell

[@Liberater4589]

anyone else see the irony of an advert about how nord vpn protects your privacy on a 1984 video or is it just me

[@Viktor16161616]

The greater irony is that NordVPN was breached by Chinese hackers.

[@ArcturusOTE]

@@Viktor16161616 For how long?

[@whynot-tomorrow_1945]

NordVPN is Skynet.

[@TheSporelord01]

@Brian Holtzman Brian I hope u know that Tor is controlled by the US government. Look up the exit node control vulnerability of the Tor network.

[@Elfnetdesigns]

The bigger irony is if you pay attention to events going on for real, FTC about to drop a hammer on non corporate media content creators, Virginia about top pass laws to take guns, all the false flag shootings.. 2020 is going to a hell of a year, lots of people online will be going bankrupt and we could see a second civil war in the US. What comes out on the other end could very well be a 1984 type nation.

[@comradekoupetorska4253]

I love that someone finally brought up the idea that Oceania is actually a tiny, insignificant state. It's the most likely idea for me. Everything is a lie, so why do we trust them to say the truth about geopolitics?

[@zachfakelastname]

I think this is reading into the book to much. In the appendix Orwell never really seems to point to the idea that Oceania is just the UK, he acts like the geopolitics we learn in the book is at least similar to the truth. But I still think it's a good theory

[@nathanjora7627]

Comrade Koupetorska honestly it wouldn’t make sense otherwise. Think about it this way : How much time was any totalitarian state allowed to exist ? Basically the longest one are China and Korea. Now, without nuclear weapons, or powerful allies, how long do you think it would’ve been before North Korea was finally beaten either by South Korea alone, or by an international coalition, or by Japan ? Probably not much. I mean, at most it would’ve been a century. What I’m getting at is that such a state, if insignificant in sizes, would probably not survive long enough to convince all of its citizen that the outside world is completely full of enemies to the point that literally no one flees the country. The only two plausible scenarios are that either Oceania is about the size it is claimed to be, or there is literally no one else in Europe, most of North Africa the Middle East, and Russia. Either that, or everybody is fighting with everybody else, but how likely is a century long (or longer) world war ? Not much I’d say.

[@davidulanovsky8943]

Nathan Jora China and North Korea are not the only or longest running totalitarian states by any stretch.

[@cyqry]

@@bruhiusmaximus5386 It is simple. The unusual golden coin with the £ symbol on it is merely a symbol of the enemies of the state. The solution is simple, we must have stronger surveillance to ensure these spies do not return to our shores! But truthfully, I do agree with the idea that INGSOC is just the UK. The name itself implies it is ENGLISH in nature, an American party would not be called this. Though the presence of a Eurasian "slave" who is actually one of the Inner Party's members, as well as the perpetual state of war where nobody seems capable of gaining an upperhand, does make me believe that ALL nations are secretly allied. The political parties (all basically equivalent to INGSOC) are all in agreement, perpetual war and fear allows total control. If it was just the UK, or the UK was a puppet-state to America, I'm sure some other nation that *wasn't* controlled by an INGSOC-esque party would have actually been able to develop a weapon that could genuinely WIN the war, to liberate England from its oppressors. Or at least they would be able to shake up the UK enough to smash the brainwashing that the Outer Party have been subjected to... or encourage the Proles to rise up. Its kind of like how Chinese folk that go to other countries learn their surveillance state *isn't* a global norm, except in this case the other countries would have to go to them.

[@gregorhodson3741]

I think it ruins the dystopian spirit if Oceania is weak and could easily be toppled by foreign intervention. One of the reasons I find the world of 1984 so compelling is how fully it crushes all hope for its future. Oceania has basically made itself invincible. No internal threat can arise, and none of the external powers would even want to threaten their existence, because the status quo is crucial for the stability of Eastasia and Eurasia as well. Not only is Oceania terrible, but it will last forever and only get worse. This is what makes it such an effective dystopia.

[@louisgentilucci1188]

The story of the nameless Temple Institute member was truly inspiring!!

[@Thoralmir]

Who, Mark?

[@Robert_Douglass]

Nah, his name was Emmanuel Goldstein!

[@roryscott2941]

@@Robert_Douglass I hate that guy!

[@tdod411]

I thought it was the square and compass institute

[@rebelappliance771]

I went to a school like this once. “It’s whatever the party tells you it is.”

[@Mircea076]

Aaaa comrade the good old days of comunism.

[@NeilCWCampbell]

Eton?

[@Kemot300]

Funny fact from the book - I have not found if there was ever a time when Oceania was ever against both Eurasia and Eastasia at the same time.

[@4vesta255]

Kemot300 I just assume that Oceania has a very unstable foreign policy.

[@VeeTOHFan]

@@4vesta255 its possible that oceania is made up of 3 cities, oceania, eurasia, eastasia. each city complies with what oceania says is true which means if oceania is at war with eastasia, everyone in eastasia says they’re at war with oceania.

[@maya07_11]

maybe Oceania was never in war with Estasia or Eurasia

[@Devansh-nu4qw]

​@@maya07_11 That is exactly what is being implied in Goldstein's book, that war has changed its form and become so equivalent to peace, that it is impossible to distinguish between them. WAR IS PEACE

[@roflmywaffles1313]

I like the theory that Oceania doesn't really exist, it's just Britain being an alternate history version of North Korea while the rest of the world moves on.

[@JohnnyElRed]

Most likely. In the rest of that world, they have modern technology, while the British Isles languish with outdated technology.

[@darthcole4668]

I’ve never heard this theory before.

[@frankg2790]

I prefer Ingsoc to be a Britain whose military is fighting mock battles with China and Russia for the entertainment of the starving masses.

[@Penguinmanereikel]

Rofl My Waffles yeah. There is the theory that Airstrip One is Oceania’s only designated territory and they’re just making everything up, but then I would understand why they would need two other nations to be made up, because wouldn’t having just one be enough to convince the masses? Also, by virtue, if Eurasia and Eastasia weren’t real, then what would be the point of constantly rewriting history when alliances change? If they were just making it up, then there would be no need to spend all that manpower and logistics in the Ministry of Truth.

[@roflmywaffles1313]

@@Penguinmanereikel if you have one enemy people may wrong think and ask how one empire controls 4 continents and why we haven't either destroyed them or been destroyed ourselves. A three way world war is more plausible

[@zaron5242]

The Templin Institute needs to increase its' cyber defences. This the second time its' been hacked by any outside force.

[@rogermon3s141]

Honestly I think that the Insitute broadcasts theses to these realities- they were not hacked- they hacked them- and each of them reacted differently- the Inquisition responded by blocking every turmenal before I control was re-established while Big Brother was trying to out power the broadcast with normal broadcasting- only for that to fail.

[@Paerigos]

Truth be told before they were actually hackers succesfully hacking Imperium networks... Heresy of utmost kind.

[@MazzaAzi]

Imperium of man? they have psykers so it makes sense they could hack in via warp shit Oceania? it's the fuckin early cold war WHEN COMPUTERS WERE STILL THE SIZE OF PEOPLE. The Templin Institute Cyber Division must still be on strike due to lack of stroganoff

[@frederikspitra7832]

@@MazzaAzi Hey, Stroganoff is a deeply important part of what we do down here!

[@nathanjora7627]

Ethan Byarugaba were they hacked though ? The lady literally intervened simply to say to citizen 6074 (despicable traitor of the Party) to correct his posture and listen carefully. which... makes it confusing as hell to be honest. Why the heck would the Party try to educate its citizen août the true stage of the world ?

[@Talon3000]

Oceania makes the Imperium of Man seem like a holiday resort. That's quite an achievement.

[@FongLin100]

laz kar not if they know a thing or two about the prisoner’s dilemma.

[@aabb-ev1vh]

@@Marinealver > In 40,000 humanity finds itself in the midst of all the problems. Thats untrue. The Imperium is at fault for a lot of it's problems. The emperors ambitions and visions about humans as the only power led to the alienation of the eldari and subsequent wars, newer developments show that humans never had to fight them. The great crusade led to a over-militarisation which allowed the horus heresy to happen which likely brought the nids to the galaxy. The imperiums oppressiveness which it justifies through the enemies it faces only leads to mre enemies because people rebell and star systems defect. It's a self-perpetuating cycle of oppression and war, one causing and feeding the other. The Imperium and the Emperor are at fault for a lot of it's problems. The Interex show that tere are other options.

[@P7777-u7r]

keks baron The emperor would not approve of what the imperium became in the 41st millennium He had to go on the crusade because he was the most powerful psychic being to ever exist and he knew how much of a threat the chaos gods were and knew they would have to be fought at some point

[@aabb-ev1vh]

@@P7777-u7r > The emperor would not approve of what the imperium became in the 41st millennium He would not approve of certain aspects, like the ecclesiarchy, but at large it has held the structures he built. It's not like he was less oppressive. How do people read the lore and think it's not about how shit all of this is? And how terrible the actions of those people are?

[@VineFynn]

@@bruhiusmaximus5386 That doesn't really make any sense. Eventually the entire IP would get pulled in by the 0.001% marshalling resources against their rival. It'd just be a matter of time and playing chicken.

[@casbot71]

*Stellaris settings: Choose from…* Fanatic authoritarian/Xenophobe, Oligarchy, Nationalistic zeal or Shadow council, Byzantium Bureaucracy, militaristic. _We have always been at war with xenos._

[@vincegalila7211]

Do you really need a shadow council when you're already Authoritarian?

[@sondremarsteen5064]

@@vincegalila7211 Seeing as the vast majority of the population doesn't know who the leader/leaders of Oceania are, yes.

[@noobjo.mp4196]

I use Xenophobe, authoritarian and materialist Police state, Shadow council and byzantine bureaucracy (researched) Dictatorial authority (it's just for show, it's actually the shadow council that rules)

[@The_Future_isnt_so_Bright]

“OBEDIENCE IS NOT ENOUGH. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy--everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty toward the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always--do not forget this, Winston--always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.” ― George Orwell, 1984

[@carso1500]

Yikes, this sounds like something writen by some edgy teenager, to think he actually wrote that unironically

[@mike7652]

Leftists: Write that down!!

[@TheNecropolis20]

Today is Pandemic DAY 460 🌎🌍🌏 3.8 million dead ..STAY SAFE WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER May 6, 2021 the Eurasians have blew up our Pipeline... but we have always (for the past 460 days) been at war with East Asians called the Corona Virus since March 11, 2020

[@fluffynator6222]

@@mike7652 "I associated you with 1984, therefore your argument is invalid."

[@pendragon0905]

Jeez. And we all say that the Imperium of Man is a grimdark empire. Oceania is just a nation of psychopaths who only know hate for hate's sake. In the Imperium, on the other hand, there's hate for TRAITORS ONLY... along with hate for xenos, mutants, heretics, and anyone else who doesn't fit in with human society by the Imperium's standards. However, in a very violent and zealous form, love is actually encouraged in the Imperium, from love to the Emperor to love for one's own fellows, and any act that shows hate or even appears to show hate towards Imperial society is mercilessly put down. Even for people like the Martians, whose main religion is the Cult Mechanicus, faith in the Machine God, there is no doublethink or anything weird like that; Martians are forced by the Imperium that the Machine God and the God-Emperor are one and the same, and Martians are only tolerated for their so-called heresy because much of the Imperium's technology is manufactured by Martians of the Adeptus Mechanicus.

[@epsilonstudios2014]

“Until they become conscious, they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled, they cannot become conscious.” - George Orwell’s 1984 One of my favourite quotes and my great thanks to you, Templin! And always remember folks... Big Brother is watching!

[@Critical_Hit]

Yup, it's all aobut class consciousness. It means being aware of the class structure, your own class and the unfairness and explotation of the system.

[@Thoralmir]

@@Critical_Hit It's that sort of worldview that leads to regimes like IngSoc.

[@issstari954]

Well its absolutely possible for a revolution to happen it only takes one power hungry individual to say hey I have the military why should I surrender my position and listen to some ass 4000 miles away

[@mjag2834]

And at best women just become inert, and men habitual.

[@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676]

@How the **** He was def a Socialist. A self-peoclaimed one. Read Why I Write the essay by Orwell.

[@decam5329]

1984. A warning. Not an instruction manual.

[@wallywheezer8256]

Now, why does this feel familiar?

[@jlokison]

Because people that have read the book have been saying this for at least 35 years.

[@Thoralmir]

Tell that to Kim Ill Sung.

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

@@jlokison people have been saying that closer to 70 years, it sometimes seems like half of everyone who reads the book does not understand that it is not an endorsement of Oceania

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

@laz kar Actually Arrogance and greed usually put you at the top in just about any society in history and evil has never been defeated by hubris alone.

[@madjetey]

…and every Michael slouched on a couch got freaked out immediately 😂

[@khrdina]

Huh, I had assumed that the video correctly identified every viewer by name. ;)

[@michaelsmith1356]

I am also a Michael and freaked out.

[@mikec4529]

scared the hell outta me

[@SuperGman117]

Massive bruh moment

[@titanlord-1175]

I'm a Michael as well and I was slouching and freaked out

[@pesticeed8168]

Room 101 has your worst fear in it. But what if your biggest fear, was was a 40-foot tall orange guy, with octopus limbs that also had wings attached to them, and the tentacles were wielding laser weaponry while having a stereo playing God Save The Queen on repeat at 16x speed?

[@UKAlanR]

'God Save The Queen'...by the Sex Pistols?

[@covenawhite4855]

Oceania probably erased all anime. So you can only fear what you believe can exist

[@franzsanders9573]

_Still_ probably my pick for the most terrifying dystopian government in the history of ever. Also, does anyone else like to theorize that 1984 secretly takes place in the same world as Brave New World & Fahrenheit 451?

[@dominikweber4305]

Please explain that theory

[@covenawhite4855]

Well how can they all Exist on the same Island as England. Unless they are in three different time periods Fahrenheit 451 lead to citizens obediently accepting 1984. Plus Fahrenheit 451 ends in a Nuclear Bombing. And 1984 is after a Nuclear War. After 1984 was over thrown in the 7 years War Brave New World formed.

[@hughmungus7621]

@@dominikweber4305 I read all those books in high school, I think that’s his theory 😂😂

[@leeernyu7408]

I think brave new word came after 1984. Oceania and ingsoc is like a test run of how to control the society

[@saucevc8353]

Here's my personal theory: Fahrenheit 451 takes place before both 1984 and Brave New World. It shows the descent of capitalism into hyperconsumerism, with the people growing into ignorant fools addicted to television. Eventually, this society is destroyed by nuclear war. From the ashes, a group of intellectuals, most likely surviving Firemen, take the opportunity to seize control by convincing the people capitalism was responsible for their destruction (half true) and that they would create a socialist utopia (complete bollocks). This ideology of IngSoc seizes the Western Powers and they unite into Oceania while the rest of the world becomes Eurasia and Eastasia. Remembering the power of the television to mesmerize and control the people, they alter the television walls from 451 such that they are also recording devices and cannot be turned off. Thus the events of 1984 occur. But eventually, perhaps after centuries, Oceania does fall. Though the Proles were believed harmless to the Party, they would, as Winston predicted, eventually grow conscious and destroy them. Similar things occur in Eurasia and Eastasia. Thus the world is united under a new regime, determined not to repeat the mistakes of the old. This regime raises living standards, the level of technology, and the level of happiness. But the leaders of this World State also become corrupt, and seek to maintain their hold on the world. To avoid another prole revolution, the State uses a policy of genetic engineering to keep lower classes dumber than children, forever unconscious of their oppression. Thus occurs Brave New World. But throughout the years, a few small enclaves of people living in wilderness sought to preserve literature, save truth, and keep hope alive for future generations. Forming from the groups of intellectuals living in the wilderness that Guy Montag joined at the end of 451, they initially worked with Ingsoc to try and rebuild the world only to be forced back underground when the Party became totalitarian, working against them in secret as The Brotherhood. Despite everything, they were able to keep some remnants of the past alive for centuries. They chronicled as many literary works as they could into books, kept in hidden and remote places as to not be burned. One of these books, a copy of Shakespeare, would survive all the way into Brave New World, and kick off the entire plot.

[@santiagomachado7378]

"He had triumphed over himself. He loved Big Brother now..."

[@ihavenosociallifedaddy0253]

Sounds kinda gay tbh

[@DaDunge]

Imagine how upset he would become when the entire system collapsed a few years later.

[@santiagomachado7378]

@@DaDunge Did Oceania finally lose the war in 1991 to Eurasia? Discuss

[@DaDunge]

@@santiagomachado7378 I doubt it, my guess is that they never figured out lead was poisonous and as such every generation got stupider and more prone to violence until it all just snapped. That or they eventually did figure out the hydrogen bomb and the world was consumed by nuclear fire.

[@DaDunge]

@@santiagomachado7378 Or their heavy use of nukes in regional conflicts caught up to them and eventually triggered a nuclear winter.

[@adammohamadali1891]

My English teacher broadcasted this to our class, nice. I am watching it rn in class this is really cool!

[@nathanjora7627]

ADAM MOHAMAD ALI ... coolest English teacher ever 00 I hope you’ll listen carefully to him, little one, because that’s one hell of a teacher you must have.

[@manog6236]

Based

[@antonikudlicki1100]

@@kareemdurrant139 not anymore kek

[@TheSpearkan]

Nobody: INGSOC: Reality can be whatever I want

[@Hadrexus]

very funny and original

[@KCDS]

Thanos disagrees

[@archerbascha8757]

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

[@1986BNick]

Remember remember the fifth of November...

[@wmc5431]

@@archerbascha8757 Dungeonmaster! Awesome!

[@minipancho94]

I always interpreted some of the attacks as self perpetuated to maintain the illusion of the war. someone far from the front would grow complacent, but if there happens to be a bombing raid, terrorist bombing or etc, then the war feels that much more real and closer to home.

[@bxnjxmxn2942]

I think somewhere in the book this is confirmed, but I’m not absolutely sure.

[@tyaz6556]

Strong and peaceful wise and brave Fighting the fight for the whole world the save We the people will ceaselessly strive To keep our great revolution alive.

[@Insanir]

"He who controls the past, commands the future. He who commands the future, conquers the past..."

[@NODnuke45]

ONE VISION, ONE PURPOSE! PEACE THROUGH POWER!

[@Insanir]

IN THE NAME OF KANE!

[@weldonwin]

*THE TECHNOLOGY OF PEACE!!!*

[@macrando565]

FOR THE EMPEROR!

[@yersiniapestis1039]

Now testify

[@kingaling6701]

What a pleasant surprise I was just looking up modern examples of doublethink.

[@grantaum9677]

@@Critical_Hit I think that's a great example. I honestly think there should be an updated list of such things, even if it would end up ruined by childish memes, at least it would be there. Our ( bombs for democracy) and ( war for freedom) and ( gov spying for your safety) are too real

[@vincegalila7211]

@Mullerornis Cr1tical was joking in your favor.

[@konsorllish8140]

@Mullerornis doubleplusgood work comrade. Many rations more for you. Glory to ingsoc.

[@comradecommissar1945]

@Mullerornis When you can't be fucked to defend yourself just disregard their thoughts and call them a moron epic gamer style

[@Astorath96]

My favourite is: egoism is altruism (as argued for by "rueling class" members)

[@dapootisbird3608]

This vidcast is doubleplus good

[@someguitardude8462]

7:30 My name is Michael, I was half laying down in my chair and listening to the video as background noise. That part scared THE SHIT OUT OF ME

[@wells8356]

One note: INGSOC is not the name of the party, its name is just that: "The Party". INGSOC is the newspeak word for "English Socialism", which is the ideology of The Party. Other than that, this is probably the best video about 1984 on KZbin.

[@boxcarz]

The Party's official name is probably something like "English Socialist Party", but is simply referred to as "The Party" for the same reason that the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' is simply referred to by most people as the 'UK'.

[@numba6457]

INGSOC IS the name of the party. It's referred to as "the party" because it's the only party in oceania. This is the dumbest comment i've ever seen, delete it

[@wells8356]

@@numba6457 No, it's not. If it was, then it would contradict one of the basic principles of newspeak, which is that no synonyms must exist. Also, it would be quite weird for the party to name itself after its ideology. It's like calling a communist party "communism". Furthermore: -The party is never referred to as INGSOC in the book -INGSOC is very explicitly referred to as the ideology of the party -When the Party is mentioned, it is done so in capital letters Please, do yourself a favor and inform yourself before insulting people over topics that you clearly know nothing about.

[@lukenw6504]

@@wells8356 Have you never heard of the Conservative Party in the UK? Or the Liberal Democrats Party in the UK?

[@Kolokommouna]

@@lukenw6504 conservative party, not conservatism (party)

[@thecouncilofnine4692]

7:30. AHHHHHH!!!! Thought Police is on my phone! You'll never catch me alive! *Breaks phone and runs.*

[@wallywheezer8256]

“War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.” - George Orwell

[@generalfred9426]

Make war, not peace...

[@1986BNick]

"If You Want Peace? Prepare For War."- Frank Castle

[@conorstapleton3183]

Is this the new Trump 2020 slogan?

[@wallywheezer8256]

Conor Stapleton My god, your comment has made my day XD

[@diegoayala7258]

@@conorstapleton3183 Go home commie

[@thatfighterguy5846]

1984 is my favorite book ever. It's frighteningly realistic.

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

Not really. The world portrayed in Brave New World is much more realistic than that of 1984.

[@iac92]

"We are living in 1984" - NPCs who watch corporate media

[@daveholland6293]

"Porn keeps them in an unaware state" DER COOMERS

[@hewkii7157]

IMME COOMING

[@FelipeJaquez]

That's more Brave New World

[@Ignorethisuk]

Its called Cummunism

[@daveholland6293]

@@Ignorethisuk or capitalism

[@daveholland6293]

@Craven Moorehead better word

[@gokbay3057]

"who shall remain nameless" *Less than a minute later* "But Mark..."

[@TheNecropolis20]

We are now at war with cyber hackers from Eurasia since may 6 2021 , BUT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH CORONA VIRUS DISEASE 2019 / CoViD 19 since March 19 2020. aLL OF YOU 1 YEAR AGO COMMENTS ARE TROLLS .. i am real. your all the sims.

[@Thraka5]

I read 1984 in high school. Told my teacher if a regime like that ever rose he would be the first to go. Loved the video!!

[@davehood2667]

I can't concur, my experience with the public schools was filled with Thought Police wannabees.

[@Henri_Ikari]

Finally, the Templin Institute, after covering a lot of dystopias, now covers the Father of Dystopias.

[@yeneraras7403]

The idea of perpetual war being essential for the survival of the state reminds me of the war on terror. You have an abstract enemy you can’t really win against nor even fight against, but who scares your people so much that they will accept every measurement the government takes to fight this enemy. Even if it means losing your freedoms. Not to mention that just like in 1984 the war gives the government a reason to spend money for the weapons industry keeping the populace employed.

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

It’s sad how many people think this book is an instruction manual and not a grim warning

[@starpaladinnelaj]

Its both

[@P.ingu_]

It's George Owell's dramatization of his anti-stalin beliefs. He was a socialist, by the way.

[@carso1500]

It's neither nor both, it's just plain wrong

[@antonikudlicki1100]

@@P.ingu_ u mean antisoviet?

[@Christian-vq3lr]

Antoni Kudlicki you can be both (I’m not saying Pingu is right, just pointing out you can be an anti-Soviet socialist).

[@UGNAvalon]

Oceania: Has an i Templin Institute: “oceana” ._.

[@ssgtsimmons2327]

UGNAvalon it has been taken care of citizen. Thank you for your concern.

[@dunamoose3446]

no its pronounced oceana

[@theexistentialnihilist2070]

I live in Oceania. The continent, not the hellhole. This is how it's actually pronounced.

[@dari1510]

@@dunamoose3446 Yeah dude, sure...Itala, Span, Germana, Russa, Australa they are all right🥴

[@kornsuwin]

@@dari1510 english is weird

[@battenburg6089]

"Are you sick of being constantly arrested by the thoughtpolice?" Nah, I'm not British.

[@SebsterMS99]

Good one. XD

[@TheVeritas1]

Ouch. Seriously, it is sad that in London "offensive speech" is considered worse than the epidemic of knife crime.

[@battenburg6089]

@@TheVeritas1 Honestly you're wrong on that part. They KNOW knife crime is a massive problem, however their ability to police it is infantile. Because gangs run rampant on the estates fighting and kill eachother, usually young boys no older than 16. It's absolutely scummy that the gov and the met let this happen.

[@TheVeritas1]

@@battenburg6089 Don't misunderstand me. I completely blame the government for the crime epidemic in London.

[@Michael_the_Drunkard]

@@battenburg6089 the demographic that commits these has also quite grown in the last years. But yes I agree, the government not only let them in large numbers but also has an ineffective police.

[@RevokFarthis]

"One of the Ministry of Truth's ongoing efforts is the eradication of natural languages, replacing them with the artificial NewSpeak. By destroying words and reducing the vocabulary of it's citizens to simple terms conveying meanings, the Ministry aims to limit the freedom of thought, personal identity, self expression, and any aspect of free will" Big mood.

[@covenawhite4855]

Well that could be combatted by humans creating new words like Un-big-brother-full triple plus Own-life-full. Humans create new words to express themselves all the concepts of the modern world were created before they had names. In England there was a language only for criminals to plan crimes called Cockney. *It is the Thought police who will not allow people to come up with rebellious words* I think it is not forgetting old words or simplifying words but making words illegal and enforcing the illegality of words by law.

[@RevokFarthis]

@@covenawhite4855 ok boomer

[@carso1500]

@@covenawhite4855 Orwell was using some pretty outdated ideas, back in his time there were some psicological studies to see if ideas were something that always existed or they only existed when they had a concept, an actual word, Orwell through the former although now a days we know that it is the later

[@MichaelSHartman]

The CCP has a huge growing list of forbidden words. People substitute words, which the CCP then bans.

[@awesomehpt8938]

Under the spreading chestnut tree, I sold you and you sold me. There lie they and here lie we under the spreading chestnut tree.

[@NeilCWCampbell]

There is one way to beat room 101!

[@avalynpoe4441]

Can you do an overview of Ordenstaat Burgund from The New Order: Last Days of Europe please?

[@redzeitgeist854]

Beckett cursed

[@obiwankenobi4252]

Ordenstaat Burgund? More like GAEMERSTAAT Burgund

[@wilburdbrewer2409]

Yessssssss

[@tuerculosisgaming6307]

@@obiwankenobi4252 we do a bit of trolling *aktion T4*

[@peternakic5049]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PLACING THE BACKGROUND MUSIC IN THE DESCRIPTION!

[@mingchoi8369]

Suggestions for the Templin Institute: - Earth Federation and Principality of Zeon - Mobile Suit Gundam - The Superman Regime - Injustice - Holy Britannia Empire - Code Geass - The Terran Empire (Mirror Universe) - Star Trek - HYDRA - MCU - Belka - Ace Combat - Audio Log: The Confederacy - Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory Saga Dossier: - Amuro Ray and Char Aznable - Mobile Suit Gundam - Gihren Zabi - Mobile Suit Gundam - Lord Thanos - MCU - Lelouch Lamperouge - Code Geass - Ryuko Matoi and Satsuki Kiryuin - Kill la Kill - Kane - Command and Conquer - Lord Drakkon - Power Rangers Atlas: - Jaburo - Mobile Suit Gundam - Sydney Crater - Mobile Suit Gundam - Sakaar - MCU - Vormir - MCU - Honnoji Academy - Kill la Kill - Corinth - Power Rangers: RPM - Earth X - Arrowverse: Crisis on Earth X HiCom: - The First Zeon War - Mobile Suit Gundam - The Infinity War - MCU - Endgame: Thanos's Last Stand - MCU - The Usean Continental War - Ace Combat - The Alien War - Independence Day - The Earth X Conflict - Arrowverse: Crisis on Earth X - The Drakkon War - Power Rangers: Shattered Grid

[@slightlyistorical1776]

Death to Britannia. Death to Lelouch

[@Kemot300]

“Perhaps one did not want to be loved so much as to be understood.”

[@Callsign_Prophet]

Never realized Mr House was based off of big brother... I'm dumb.

[@firesalamander4795]

He is more simmilar to Walt Disney.

[@trisjack82]

Fire Salamander not really look into mr houses agenda it is 1984’s control doctrine I always thought the big brother style was a bit on the nose

[@straightjacket219]

Big brother, walt Disney and Howard Hughes.

[@bat32391]

Mr. House isn't interested in controlling the personal life of those in Vegas. As long as you don't oppose him, you're left to go about your business.

[@watermelonhead8054]

mr house, big brother and scatman john look like the same person

[@darthlazurus4382]

I like the idea that Oceania fell and was replaced. The part on Newspeak mentioned everything in the past tense.

[@PretzelsandNutz]

That cut where the video was telling “Michael” to sit up straight kinda got me because my name is Michael and I was kind of slouching while at work haha

[@samwell8]

That's the scary thing about 1984, you have no clue whether what is said is a lie or not. Oceania could be just a city state in London, or it could've conquered the whole world by that point. However that's why 1984 probably will never happen, because humans arent going to let the past be twisted and destroyed especially when everyone remembers reading about it and when such things spread by word of mouth.

[@FABERos]

Well... there's the majority of liberals that pretty much already do this.

[@bencox3641]

NO Oceania could not ever happen because no state like that will be able to last more than a week not because they rewrite history, history is rewritten or forgotten all of the time.

[@redbluesandmoons7478]

You can tell the templin Institute had a lot of fun making this video

[@maiorian4668]

This is literally 1984! -George Orwell

[@VCYT]

1:11 - Battersea Power Station in central London, now a giant mall with luxury appartments, currently under construction, amongst a mass building project around it.

[@darrenrenna]

Awesome video and advertisment tie in. I saw the movie 1984 on the SciFi Channel when I was a Freshmen in High School. Bough the book the next day, both blew me away. Thank you for this trip down memory lane and not the memory hole!

[@Malcalore]

Every time I run into the world of 1984 I feel as if my soul cracks under the pressure just a little every time. Truly this world is a nightmare.

[@animationcatalyst8123]

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

[@gamingmoth4542]

7:31 my heart stopped. My name is actually Michael... WTF?

[@Osean_Kitty]

Same here. I jumped out of my chair a little.

[@Т1000-м1и]

First of all, this channel is the best. But it also did these political curiosity in material videos before they were done anywhere else. This one I thought I'd already watched, or at least remember thinking I watched it. Somehow I didn't or didn't leave a comment. It is the best and pures summary of the core book setting. The atmosphere of the video is just right. You can say that it's just right. No more needs to be said, because it really is what it tries to be. Even the parts that would be considered quirky is a very basic and generic way to roll eyes over in other videos are just right here. And that's really what makes this channel so interesting. Back in the day it'd probably be one of the channels people think about when remembering youtube. Also I haven't seen the film before but the footage seems unbelievable. It's like if you take a painting with purely the gray pencil (I don't know what's the actual name of this in English) and then make it into a film, just like old cartoons (looney tune stuff and alike) played around with the usual understanding of concepts. And it all is just right. It's the only movie that seems to get that face of a lifetime's work that's omnipresent in former communist states, but now there's no friendliness or empathy, just the expression of working. And this all feels like a conglomeration of people having an idea about something meaningful, then executing it just right. Very calming also. I can say that this goes for the entire 12:08 of my life.

[@kabeltelevizio]

A VPN ad that's actually relevant to the video? What a day!

[@testrichter]

Thank you for the longer profiles, as also ones based on literary works! :-D I can't wait for a profile on Earthsea!

[@commissaryarrick6764]

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

[@jonbaxter2254]

What I love, is there is subtle references in the book that the only country that is *actually* under a dictatorship is Britain. That the rest of the world is fine, and we're the odd little country that everyone ignores. Sort of like North Korea now, how they say they're the only country left that's decent, but the biggest lie is that the world has moved on without them.

[@fyggy5480]

it was written in 1949...

[@cgt3704]

@@fyggy5480 but it took place in 1984

[@Vogelkinder]

Best ad insert ever.

[@helix5441]

1984 was the first book alongside “all quiet on the western front” were the first books to truly leave me thinking but at the same time depressed

[@starpaladinnelaj]

I like the theory that all 3 superpowers are controlled by The Party, who keep them in a state of constant war for obvious reasons

[@TheNecropolis20]

Today is Pandemic DAY 460 🌎🌍🌏 3.8 million dead ..STAY SAFE WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER May 6, 2021 the Eurasians have blew up our Pipeline... but we have always (for the past 460 days) been at war with East Asians called the Corona Virus since March 11, 2020

[@TheNecropolis20]

we are now at war with cyber terrorists from Eurasia since May 6 but we have always been at war with corona virus pandemic from east Asia. pandemic DAY 474 🌎🌍🌏 3.9 million dead we are all in this together

[@ThePurpleFoot]

And just like that, everyone named Michael jumped.

[@Hugh-Jassoul]

They say INGSOC and I hear “Ink Sock”

[@ulf___]

Man. I'm glad that I've subscribed to this channel.

[@arandomdragon1534]

That message in the middle lined up scarily close to me adjusting myself in my chair.

[@victorzahler6175]

I really would like a video about the spacing guild or any other faction from Dune

[@alejandrorivas4585]

Check out ideasoficeandfire

[@LordXarius]

Alejandro Rivas Go Fuck Yourself

[@danielmcgillis270]

@@alejandrorivas4585 beat me too it. THIS! The dude is a mentat on Dune.

[@mattwoodard2535]

I wonder how many people sat straighter when the INGSOC thing played? sm

[@Nod_Lucario]

INGSOC has no power over me, so I remained lying down.

[@clarkheredia5058]

It would've been great to see spin offs from the perspective of citizens living in the other superpowers east Asia and Eurasia but George Orwell is long gone sadly :(

[@jsw973]

We don't even know if those superpowers actually exist

[@thomasaquinas1457]

MIchaels everywhere were just momentarily panicked... thank you Templin.

[@Aero3435]

Remerber War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, and Big Brother is Watching.

[@aspie182moo5]

It is also well worth noting that the rebellion that is likely a fiction used by the thought police to weed out "ungood" people. And that the rebellion's textbook explains that yes, Eastasia and Eurasia really do exist, because they give Oceania something to be at war with, and thus all three states prop each other up. Like sheaves of corn, as the textbook says. Oh yeah, and this quote comes into my head every time I listen to a Fallout intro. "By becoming continuous, war has fundamentally changed its character." :D

[@Table_Down_Left7377]

"I can't seem to keep tabs on this outer party member" "That's because he use NordVPN"

[@RX552VBK]

The end of the vid is hilarious, Dan. LOL! btw, the voice over actress never mentions her name...I've heard narrate many vids on Templin but she gets no credit. Great job on the the subject this time INGSOC from Orwell's 1984 and the wonderful 1984 film adaption by Micheal Radford. Phenomenal script and production design as well, this film was both beautiful and of course horribly tragic when I saw it in '84 (I just turned 19). I always heard of the book but never read it--Also I knew there was an earlier film adaption from '54 or '55 that wasn't very good (at least what I read about it) starring Edmond O'Brien I believe. This one is outstanding with fantastic performance by John Hurt, Suzanne Hamilton and Richard Burton. Once again, you guys n gals at Templin Institute did a wonderful in-Universe analyst of that horrible world that we may actually be living in to some regard.

[@DavidSmith-wr6vj]

This has got to be the best and longest VPN commercial

[@InstiGator805]

We are being watched by our cellphones & jet we can't let go. Big brother is always watching.

[@mrm6607]

Was beginning to think itd be more of a Brave New World future. Looks like it's going to be 1984 after all.

[@kupper123]

DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER. DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER.

[@The_Forgettable1]

Literally 1984

[@akula6352]

In the year 1984 I had a discussion with a teacher about which novel would be more plausible in reality, if "1984" or "Brave New World". Now both scenarios are converging.

[@chrisdaniels3929]

I got the impression there was no war when the description of rocket attacks on civilian houses is given. An excellent way to illustrate that reality cannot be perceived.

[@TymersRealm]

must of been someone from the Thought Police who downvoted this vid...

[@agooddaytorespawn57]

Must have*

[@TheHouseAlwaysWins20]

Scary because dislikes are now gone

[@damirbabic8168]

do a video on the systems Commonwealth, starting your favorite actor Kevin Sorbo as Captain Dylan Hunt captain of the Andromeda Ascendant

[@Paerigos]

Well I hope spacedock would do something on Lady Battleship :D

[@unintentionallydramatic]

Heck yeah, seconded.

[@SpanishDio]

*We were always at war with Eurasia! or it was Eastasia?*

[@ericmorang3903]

It is whatever Big Brother says it is.

[@AllSeerAugustus]

7:32 freaked me out. So awesome. haha

[@jmchez]

Best intro to and ad, ever!

[@jcrow5858]

Person: *Breathes* Ingsoc: I diagnose you with thoughtcrime

[@jamescarella9659]

New episode always double plus good

[@hernanuliana9111]

The real grimdark and writen in the 1940s by Orwell's genius.

[@KimsLantern]

One of the lines I read just last night is “The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought.”

[@thisisntsergio1352]

I'm a simple man. I see a Templin Institute video, I click like.