The Resurrection of Jesus: Fact or Ancient Fiction? | N.T. Wright (Oxford) at UT Austin

[@kevinwhitener4]

No resurrection, no Christian faith.

[@davidluciemable3778]

Exactly.

[@McCRBen]

April 3rd 33 AD eclipse

[@tecomaman]

why

[@kevinwhitener4]

The bible says that the wages of sin is death, Jesus raising from the dead gave victory over death, so without him rising, death still reigns and we would still be in our sins to suffer not only a physical death but a spiritual one. Though physically we still die, the resurrection by faith in Jesus gives us victory when we die physically and we then will be raised by his power to newness of life eternal with him in glory.

[@tecomaman]

@@kevinwhitener4 Jesus did not say that ,Paul said that who did not meet Jesus ,The OT says we will rise from the dead ,those that live right to eternal life

[@zgobermn6895]

NT Wright, always articulate and inspiring.

[@paulsevers7740]

you have GOT to be joking!!

[@mikescollard6499]

​@@paulsevers7740Well you clearly aren't very articulate.

[@Released_Sausage]

NT Wrong 😂

[@marshlightning]

And when you step back and think he is saying Harry Potter is real.

[@timkins9155]

Listening to N T Wright is like listening to Bach, good, holy and wholesome for the mind and spirit!

[@timkins9155]

@user-ew4kr1ps6i Is that the best analogy you could come up with? I'll wait for number two, if you don't mind.

[@timkins9155]

@user-ew4kr1ps6i amen, thank you sibling in Christ!

[@Henry._Jones]

@@timkins9155 🤣 👍👍

[@rationalsceptic7634]

There is no evidence for the Resurrection This Man has already been refuted by leading Ancient Historians

[@timkins9155]

@@rationalsceptic7634 Name one. And the top three points of contention. I can answer them for you, RS.

[@Andrewjames319]

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[@timkins9155]

I pray for your continued healing according to the mercies of our Savior who died upon the cross for us sinners. May He be pleased to hear this prayer. Dear Lord, you have all power in heaven and earth. You are Lord, you are God, you are seated at the Father's right hand. You will come again to judge the living and the dead. Hear this prayer for the restoration of full health to my precious sibling in Christ. May you be pleased to guard their household of faith, protect them with angels, return back twofold or better everything that has been lost. As you did for Job, so do for them. Grant them this same grace to pass it on to others who saved suffered, that "they may be comforted with the same comfort by which we are comforted." Faithful are you to watch over your word to perform it. We ask this in your name, the one name given to men whereby they might be saved, the name of JESUS. If this prayer is acceptable in your sight, may it be recorded in the Lamb's book, this day Monday February 20, the year of the Lord 2023. Amen.

[@TearDownThisWall]

Fraud alert!!!

[@rickintexas1584]

This was an interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing.

[@morudesouza5533]

Wow what a clear cut answer N.T. Wright truly is a great historian when it comes to Christian debates, arguments or clarifications. God bless you Mr Wright.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

The entire NT is nothing but hearsay.

[@sudandhali7545]

Historian! You call a culprit ' a historian'? However he as well as you need to repent, repenting to the only Way to God.(John 14:6). This is no way a mockery.

[@TearDownThisWall]

@Michael-ub8xb I'm guessing he's not getting rich selling books.😂

[@TearDownThisWall]

@Michael-ub8xb Now you've shown your utter ignorance (or choice to live in denial). Scholars, including the vast majority of atheist scholars, are in agreement that Jesus existed. To deny it is evidence of ulterior motives.

[@yuy2375]

@Dawkinsbulldog get urself a history degree then talk (im not even saying phd)

[@jrockofages5413]

He came as a Savior. He will come back as a Judge.

[@sethsuleiman4419]

Who send jesus? God. Who raise jesus from the dead? God. Who will resend jesus at end time?

[@crispinswainstonharrison9042]

Jesus would never judge

[@jrockofages5413]

@@crispinswainstonharrison9042 read your Bible

[@sudandhali7545]

Exactly!

[@jjk3240]

What will happen to those millions who died before Christ n who never heard of Christ?

[@timothygarrett2785]

If there is no resurrection for Jesus, there is no hope for us. Our whole salvation is based on the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, and without it, we have no hope.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

Speak for yourself.

[@Folkstone1957]

What “hope” are you referring to ?

[@tongakhan230]

1 Corinthians 15:. 16 For if the dead are not to be raised up, neither has Christ been raised up. 32....If the dead are not to be raised up, “let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we are to die.”

[@Folkstone1957]

@@tongakhan230 Do you have a point ?

[@tongakhan230]

@@Folkstone1957 : I quoted the Bible to show that Jesus was indeed resurrected.

[@mikegyver3193]

The resurrection defeated death.

[@crispinswainstonharrison9042]

Nothing he said proved Jesus resurrection, but he sounded knowledgeable

[@mikegyver3193]

@@crispinswainstonharrison9042 check out total onslaught 👀👂🏿👂

[@rayzas4885]

​@@crispinswainstonharrison9042 He set up a premise that the resurrection of Christ is the best explanation for the early church history and explained why

[@theephraimite]

@@crispinswainstonharrison9042 True, but God can prove the reality of the resurrection to you.

[@lutkedog1]

@@theephraimite Where are the saints that were resurrected and where are those earthquake damaged tombs ?

[@stevescholl5479]

"Chronological snobbery." Finally it's in words.

[@georgesouthwick7000]

My father used to say when he died he wanted to be buried as close to the cemetery gate as possible, because on Resurrection Day, he wanted to be the first one out.

[@jjk3240]

😂😂

[@georgewagner7787]

My dad said he'd save me a spot nearby in heaven.

[@garyjohnson8026]

Fact! I know, not of anything I have proven scientifically or worldly, but by the spirit of God testifying to my heart and soul that Jesus died, was resurrected and lives today and that he will return to reign on earth.

[@paulward8297]

Revelation of Jesus within our soul life proves and leads us to ascension to Jesus, proof enough I believe, glory comes to those who know him.

[@elsablue3646]

Amen! Alleluia! He is the way the truth and the life The bread of life. The resurrection and the life. The word of God who became flesh and dwelt among us. We will also be transformed on the glorious day. ❤

[@davidcattin7006]

Lies.

[@hipmagoo46]

Proof of what exactly, you proved absolutely nothing just miss used the word proof

[@emmemaile5531]

Lol um what?

[@elsablue3646]

@Cup Of MAGA tears easy to find out. Seek and you will find Him. He said Come to me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest. Call on Him and He will help you see ( if you haven't already)

[@karlostj4683]

Actually, according to the New Testament, it happened twice: Once for Jesus Christ, and once for Lazarus before him.

[@geraintroberts565]

Karlos, I think you misunderstand, Lazarus and Jarius's daughter were raised but went on to die, but Jesus is still alive!

[@karlostj4683]

@@geraintroberts565 I think you misunderstand. The movie claimed no one had ever been raised from the dead before Jesus - yet Lazarus had been raised from the dead. So either you're misunderstanding plain English, or N.T. Wright is using English wrong.

[@Sparfucile]

Also the daughter of Jairus and the widow's son in the village of Naim.

[@AurorXZ]

In total.... *In the OT:* one by Elijah (1 Kings 17), two by Elisha (2 Kings 4, 13). *In the NT:* three by Jesus (Luke 7; Mark 5; John 11), one by Peter (Acts 9:40) and one by Paul (Acts 20).

[@treytaylor1511]

Resurrection and mere resuscitation are not the same. Wright, among other scholars,detail that distinction in their written work.

[@tibbar1000]

Along these same arguments, Thomas, doubting Thomas, traveled to Southern India and built seven churches. He was murdered during the construction of the eighth. The man who said he would not belief without physical evidence left the clearest trail, complete with stone structures.

[@dankeil4470]

Yes, He did die a horrible death. But he came out of His grave in three days. When Jesus when up to Heaven He sent His Holy Spirit down to us!

[@reverendbarker650]

Whether he resurrected or not, people thought he did, which then led to the conversion of millions who spent centuries killing each other in his name simply because they could not agree on how to appropriately worship him. Not a good outcome in my opinion. The Abrahamic religions have a LOT of blood on their hands simply because they wont tolerate other people not believing in their particular god, even those who DO believe have been persecuted as they don't precisely conform to whatever orthodoxy has the most power ( which has also changed over and over since the death of christ ...mostly for political /power reasons .)

[@1969cmp]

@@reverendbarker650 What do you believe to be true, as in atheism, Darwinian evolution etc.

[@jjk3240]

Why send holy spirit? He should have stayed on, we would have been in a much better world

[@annec988]

@@jjk3240 He sent the Holy Spirit so He could be everywhere world wide and not just in one place physically. This is why he told his apostles it is better that I go away for then you will have the Holy Spirit.

[@thefish5861]

That is one impressive guy there. A very cogent argument, and that argument, made by others, is one reason why I’ve become a believer.

[@mitchmomlc]

your words are not correct. If you are a believer then you do not use reason. very simple. perhaps you are simply naive

[@thefish5861]

@@mitchmomlc Sorry pal, but you are completely wrong. Many people come to faith through reason and logic, as opposed to blind faith. Man, I can’t believe I have to point this out.

[@davidcattin7006]

@@thefish5861 Christians fear reason and logic because it makes it clear that religion is ridiculous and shows them they have been wasting their time and look foolish for it.

[@administratorlynch6223]

@@thefish5861 "Many people come to faith through reason and logic, as opposed to blind faith" every believer that I know has either had that belief thumped into them from an impressionable age, or experienced unusual hardship and actually gave up on reality in favour of a false promise. Nobody comes to "faith" from reason and logic, that is why it is called faith.

[@Isovapor]

Believe in Harry Potter. His story is better than the jesus story. We also know the author of Harry Potter. The gospels were all written by anonymous authors with thousands of interpretations and rewritings. I’d believe more in Harry Potter and his magic way more than your anonymous jesus figure from ancient times. Fact! Cheers!!

[@patodwyer721]

Jesus Christ Our Lord, Rose from the dead after three days and will return to judge the living and the dead.

[@richstrobel]

This is very good. When I heard this it made me think of Gamaliel's words near the end of Acts 5. If it wasn't from God it would all come to nothing. The early apostles would have everything to lose and nothing to gain. They wouldn't have been jailed, flogged and, in some cases, killed for something they knew wasn't true. Thus the swoon theory and hallucination theory were created.

[@lutkedog1]

The early apostles did not exist it is a story

[@TearDownThisWall]

@@lutkedog1 Even atheist scholars are in agreement that Jesus and the apostles existed. But apparently you know more than them. 😂

[@lutkedog1]

@@TearDownThisWall It really don't matter if the apostles existed or not they did not write the gospels it was Paul who started the whole thing, you need to know the Bible better. And to say atheist scholars are in agreement that Jesus and the apostles existed is nuts in the head and that is the definition of a atheist who knows that god don't exist, you need to go back and rethink your strategy. You stated that i apparently i know more than them' and that is true because i know that nobody wrote about Jesus when he was alive feeding multitudes healing the sick and walking on water etc... And nobody wrote about it, until Paul did in 40AD case closed the gospels are fake.

[@TearDownThisWall]

@@lutkedog1 You go ahead and live in your self-concocted fake world of made up facts. I choose to live in a world that embraces truth and reality.🤣

[@erichetherington9314]

@@lutkedog1 Use correct verbs: "It DOESN'T matter," not "It don't matter."

[@jamesvanderhoorn1117]

Judging from the gospel of Mark, the earliest Christians did not assume Jesus had risen from the dead. There were stories that he had.

[@tozot2]

Paul definitely proves your point is invalid. Remember he wrote much earlier than mark...

[@billyroland2758]

"Normal people don't come back from the dead.. " Lex Luther, Smallville.

[@thereisermoviecompany2758]

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[@alfriesmacdonalds5879]

nice

[@tongakhan230]

No one can come back from the dead. Someone with a power can bring the dead back into existence. (Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.

[@kennbo1]

The Disciples were in sheer fear of their lives when Jesus was taken and crucified. Yet all died a martyrs death except for John. They had to have believed that Jesus was resurrected and was the messiah because they wouldn't have willingly gone to their deaths for a lie.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

Sorry, but this claim is absurd. People go to their deaths every day for a lie. How many Russians have died in the past year based on Putin's lies? 100,000?

[@karlmahlmann]

That was a very scholarly historical contextualization of Christ's resurrection. I always found it interesting that when Martha told Jesus that she understood her brother would rise on the last day, the resurrection, Jesus said "I am the resurrection ..."

[@elsablue3646]

Very very 😎 cool. Our king!

[@IanThow]

The so-called "statements" of Jesus like the one about "I am the resurrection..." and all the other "I am ..." ones in John's gospel are made up ones by the anonymous author of that gospel. They differ so much from any others in the synoptic gospels that experts are convinced they are unhistorical (forged if you like).To take any statement supposed to be from Jesus is unwise as they are simply made up to try to convince people in a competitive first century that the Christian view is better than any others. Essentially, the gospels are either mythical or propagandist ( or both) which set out one view about god- men current in the first century CE.

[@elsablue3646]

@Ian Thow wherever your info is from I'm not sure but the leading new testament scholars say nothing of the sort even the atheist ones. You just are not correct on the gospels.

[@zephyr-117sdropzone8]

@@IanThow How do they differ from the Synoptics?

[@frankmcgowan9457]

​@@IanThow You claim the statements in John were made up and inserted later. I have a few questions. How do you know this? When were they made up? Were they made up by one person or many? Did they appear all at once or in a series?

[@hinduismwithpremananddasbhagat]

I once asked a christian if Jesus REALLY rose. The response: Jesus rises every time someone converts to Christianity. Yeah ........... kinda killed the conversation pretty fast.

[@ThreePlyChord]

Seems like the guy you asked didn’t know. I believe Jesus did raise from the dead. But if you want proof, I cannot provide it besides the scriptures and multiple accounts from that time. That’s where faith come in.

[@toma3447]

Sounds like a very new age thing to say.

[@roppa789]

@@ThreePlyChord Three Ply - there are absolutely no accounts from the time. Absolutely zero. Not one word exists about Jesus while Jesus was still alive. Not one word about his huge following as he entered Jerusalem. Not one word about thousands of bodies rising up and wandering the streets for days. Don’t you think it odd? Do yourself a favor. Go watch Paulogia on KZbin for a few hours and think about things.

[@zephyr-117sdropzone8]

@@roppa789 Paulogia is a hack. Are you serious? There are no written words of Pilate, the most powerful man in the region (and someone historians thought was made up at first). There is earlier attestation to Jesus than multiple Roman emperors and also Alex the Great. First-hand writings of any sort of character in the ancient world are VERY rare, and even when they do exist that does NOT mean they are accurate. Lay off the Bart Ehrman and Paulogia please. If nobody wrote about such characters in a contemporary work, why on Earth should anyone think an itinerant Jewish preacher and healer would receive more?

[@tryingtobefairandobjective3480]

Every time a bell rings, a Christians is converted.

[@desmo9159]

Jesus said , if you deny me I shall deny you in front of my father .

[@Tully241]

George Carlin said: They have actually convinced people that there's an invisible man who lives in the sky!

[@dallas1891]

According to a guy who wrote that Jesus said that. 🤡

[@Tully241]

@@dallas1891 Yes. Things written down..Wow! So what?

[@CesareNero]

@@Tully24130 years later

[@commentsedited]

So you definitely agree that Jesus is not God then! One step towards the truth are you.

[@Edwin-pw7cu]

Everything about Christianity hangs on the FACT of the RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. To those who do receive and believe will follow HIM!

[@itslightanddark]

If Jesus looked different post resurrection such that he was unrecognizable to his own disciples, then the 500 people who saw him had no visual reason to believe that it was Jesus who was speaking to them. Also, there was no photography back in the day, so 500 people had nothing to compare this different looking person to. Also, if less than 100% of these people were totally convinced that the person speaking to them post crucifixion was Jesus, we would never know it because the only recording of event doesn't mention any unconvinced people. Why would it? There is no forensic reason to suspect that resurrection took place, only theological reasons. And that's fine I guess.

[@davidvarley1812]

Mary of Magdalena didn't recognise him. She thought he was the gardener. How could 500 people recognise him but not someone knew him in life.

[@puglover8171]

Historical and logical reasons, not just theological. His tomb was guarded. It was empty. The story that the guards gave didn't add up, neither did the fact that they didn't get in trouble , perhaps killed for " sleeping" on the job.

[@edfrierson3460]

Most likely they didnt recognize him at first, is the very fact that people dont rise from the dead. You see somebody that looks like someone whom you know is dead, you dont think it is that person. It is common sense, because they are dead. Also, he did have some scars that He had not had before.

[@davidvarley1812]

@Ed Frierson actually, if read the Gospel of John, it's obvious he's stood to her side and most likely crying while asking him where he's put Jesus. So it's not hard to see why she'd not recognise him, especially if his dress differencely, recently shaved and potentially hooded.

[@ryanesau8147]

He wasn’t different looking, they just didn’t recognize Him ..at first ..because the idea of rising from the dead is so astonishing

[@Thereshallbelight]

We worship a living God not one that is buried. He has risen!

[@tongakhan230]

No one should worship Jesus. He along with his disciples worship the ONLY TRUE GOD, Jehovah. Here is what Jesus told Mary after God resurrected Jesus. (John 20:17) Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.’”

[@mwinyijuma2686]

On three occasion after the alleged crucifixion Jesus was disguised I would like to know why?

[@tongakhan230]

@@mwinyijuma2686 : Jesus was sent by God to become a human to fulfill Genesis 3:15 in part. (Philippians 2:7, Galatians 4:4) Once Jesus died, God resurrected him back into his angelic spirit form (1 Peter 3:18). Being a spirit being, he could not be seen with human eyes. Like angels before him, Jesus had to take on various human forms to be seen. That is why no one recognized him. Remember he could enter a locked room. Disappear at will. No human can do such. Mark 16:12 King James Version 12 After that he (ie Jesus) appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Compassion to all believers. Worshiping a Master is akin to slavery. Unshackle yourself and live your brief existence in freedom. May you be at peace.

[@danielmeadows3712]

No one can be at peace , when denying truth.

[@danielransom8505]

You understand nothing.

[@danielmeadows3712]

@@danielransom8505 Why do you say that ?

[@ragnarlothbrok2808]

And yet, we can only be free if we submit to God as our master. If we do not, then we are slaves to sin and worldly desires.

[@jaimeibarra8210]

For you will not abandon my soul to sheol or let your holy one see corruption- Our Lord Rose!!! Blessed be King Jesus!!

[@DennisNowland]

They said it happened, so it must've happened. I don't think so.

[@samsonsupaka5911]

At an early age I decided to become a pastor not that I experienced anything. Now at 58 have had several encounters, but people can't believe them if shared. Jesus is real unless one's heart has been hardened.

[@oneperson5760]

‘Jesus is real unless ones heart has been hardened.’ When you say it like that, youre saying that Jesus isnt real. Either He’s real or He isnt. The state of ones heart is immaterial.

[@beauc.diamond7410]

Christ Jesus is alive

[@kg2131]

Indeed He is Risen!

[@Robb3348]

i didn't believe that before I read your comment. you said he's alive, so that's good enough for me! I now believe that Christ Jesus is alive! Thank you! I would take your word for anything, dear anonymous human being on the internet! Skillful evangelization! And clearly, no effort is too much for you, in trying to reach the lost! Imagine! A four-word, unsupported assertion!

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Buddhist proverb : '' Believe nothing without at least equal evidence ''. Where is the equal evidence for the resurrection -- an extraordinary, supernatural claim?

[@martinharrison7536]

Well, I’m just waiting for one day to have a Christian giving non-typical Christian answer. Of course, he does nothing to answer the question about the skepticism that the interviewer ask him about. A story that was written decades after it actually happened by unknown people so it was a story that was passed on at least two or three times but evidently it’s completely accurate? Not even to mention all the extreme similarities. It has two stories told centuries before of dying and rising gods, that are almost exactly like the Christian story of Jesus. I swear it’s like religion just makes people stop critical, thinking, and just turn on tunnel, vision, and believe. I realize there’s certain good and religion, but there’s also a lot of bad and that’s definitely one of them.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Thanks, '' sore thumb ''.

[@georgewagner7787]

We know who wrote the 4 gospels. They aren't unknown. And many eyewitnesses were still alive when they wrote.

[@Robb3348]

@@georgewagner7787 the gospels are anonymous and originally unattributed. Early church legend gave them their customary authors, not based on fact but rather on lore and imagination.

[@mmore242]

Perhaps elite philosophers knew about hallucinations but at that time there was an educational gap between ancient historians and common folk. Women were not regarded as credible in Christianity in later centuries but women held prominent roles in the early church, NT wright’s argument is not taking into account that the role of women has changed throughout church history. More importantly how does any of his arguments make a resurrection plausible. Dismissing hallucinations which we can prove are real doesn’t then make resurrection as the more plausible explanation.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is Forgiveness. He Died on the cross to Show us How Important this is. “Forgive and you shall be Forgiven.” “From your Heart Forgive EveryOne.” That is the Way to Peace. He was resurrected to show us that we as Spirits do not die..just the body.

[@colindiplock]

1:15AM, I awoke to find a young man in my room. The window was Un curtained and light from the street outside meant I had no need for a light. I asked him in words I will not write here, "What was he doing in my room?" He replied, "Sorry mate I've had too much to drink and I'm all confused." I told him to get out, the tone of my voice unfriendly. He left and I check to see if anything had been taken. I then opened my door and looked down the hall, he had obviously found his room. The next morning, I asked the hotel owner if all rooms had a common lock? He asked "why?" I told him about my early morning visitor. His face went pale, he sat down. I asked him if he was, OK? He said mate at 1:15AM this morning that bloke lay dead under the wheels of a truck 10 KS from here, I've been to the morgue to identify him. It was then that I realized I had to unlock my door to look down the hall. I'm glad I didn't try to grab him.

[@elsablue3646]

Poor dude didn't know he was dead yet I guess. I hope he found his way. That's a creepy story I hope he knew Jesus.

[@roppa789]

Nice story but cops wouldn’t ask the hotel owner to go to the morgue to identify a body. You’ll have to change the story next time you tell it. Allah be with you.

[@ninecatsmagee8384]

He might be called upon in order to contact family through a credit card or address if all the dead man carried was a hotel key.

[@phillipbrown8346]

Real as LIFE...

[@dancf]

5 Thomas asked him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going; and how can we know the way?” 6 Jesus assured them, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" John 8:32 repent my brothers and sisters, only Jesus Christ saves.

[@benohara284]

Quoting from bible doesn't make gods any more real than Quoting from Harry Potter makes wizards real

[@dancf]

@@benohara284 "16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3

[@dancf]

@@benohara284 If in the Bible it is written that things will happen before they happen and happen does not prove that what is written is true? Koran is not the Word of God, the Word of God is the Bible, Maome did not die on the cross to save us, we are not saved by what we do, we are saved by what the Lord Jesus did on the cross, the Old Testament God, It is the same as the new, God is immutable. Read the Bible to know the truth, and the truth is Jesus Christ.

[@benohara284]

@dancf lots of prophesies by different books and prophets, a stopped clock is right twice a day, millions say the Koran is word of God, just repeating that the bible is word of a God doesn't make it so, it was thought in 1st century that Jesus was coming back imminently, that was the prophecy, still hasn't happened, can't be the word of a god, as there are no gods, you don't believe in thousands of gods, ganesh, thor, odin, shiva etc, some people go one more, bible is just a book written by men, same as Bhagavad-Gita, tao te ching etc

[@dancf]

@@benohara284 "3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3

[@georgeins.c.494]

Jesus lives!

[@mikebuck1897]

Jesus is real, and His return will not be pleasant for nonbelievers.

[@skippy675]

There are plenty of believers in remote areas of India, the Pacific Islands and the Arab world who are believers, just not Christians. Will it be unpleasant for those who believe firmly and dutifully to the faith they have been immersed in since birth? Or does God really only care to judge those born in areas where Christianity dominates?

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Mike, unlimited choices but no one to choose. One doesn’t choose to believe. Nor can they unchoose

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Mike, that’s magical thinking. I respect your right to your beliefs. But I am not obligated to respect them. May you be without suffering.

[@mikebuck1897]

@@skippy675 Jesus was very clear in John 14:6

[@mikebuck1897]

@@cps_Zen_Run that is not correct. Our God gave us free will. If he didn’t, we’d all be basically robots.

[@alabamamothman2986]

God said it. Nuff said.

[@jameswarrren2545]

"Why do you call me good? Only God is good." --Jesus of Nazareth

[@5flapjacks468]

Jesus brings us comfort. Jesus brings us joy and hope, knowing that He removed all of our sins at Calvary. If you need some teaching on the matter, the you tube channel, 'faith cometh by hearing' has a fine teaching series titled, 'change of mind' which helped me understand the matter.

[@williamoarlock8634]

He/they doesn't bring me and plenty of others any joy or hope.

[@Rixster53]

@@williamoarlock8634Because... you have NOT believed on the only begotten son of God. You are lost and blinded by Satan! Apostle Paul wrote in new testament book of Il Corinthians 4:3-4 “But if our gospel (good news) be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST. In whom the god of this world (Satan) hath blinded the minds of them which BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them”. Jesus himself stated “narrow is the way to eternal life and FEW there be that find it”! He’ll save you if you seek him, but if not he’ll let you go on your merry (or not so) way! Hope you reconsider your latter end and find the joy and peace that comes from having a relationship with the creator God of the bible...

[@Rixster53]

@user-ew4kr1ps6i Well sir, we DO agree on one thing, you are absolutely right about the thieves on TV... But, there are so many pastors in small churches that love people NOT greedy for monetary gain. You can’t paint ALL preachers with a broad brush. Sadly there is no shortage of charlatans! No different than crooked lawyers or money advisor/investing firms...If you seek the Lord with all your heart (and do your due diligence like we all do before buying a house, car, major appliance etc) He WILL reveal himself to you! He promises that in the holy bible/scripture!

[@williamoarlock8634]

@@Rixster53 🤣

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Fairytale.

[@AdamMeaney-zs6zw]

No resurrection? What a relief 'no resurrection' would be, if only it were true! Blessed are those who take part in the first resurrection! ❤ GOD AMEN.

[@elysedesrochers4707]

I saw him when I had my near death experience. I have pictures of me with angels

[@lutkedog1]

My mother had fake pictures of jesus in the clouds.

[@hannannah1uk]

Oh always Paul. #JesusWordsOnly ✝️

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Yes, paul, the founder of christianity.

[@loganwillett2835]

Uhhhhh what? Paul’s words were inspired by God. You can no more separate Paul’s words from Christ than you can Jesus’s from the Father’s.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

@@loganwillett2835 Uhhhh what ? Paul's words were inspired by god ? Prove it.

[@loganwillett2835]

@@jerrylanglois7892 do you believe any of scripture is inspired? Or that Jesus is who He said He was?

[@jerrylanglois7892]

@@loganwillett2835 The christian claims the bible is '' inspired '' the same way the muslim claims the koran is inspired, can you claim either way ?...and I don't believe in jesus as man\god '' savior '' ever existed in the first place because there are no records and\or evidence for him as such.

[@rayseckler1794]

If Jesus did not rise from the dead there is no reason for religion period !! All will be going to He'll!! I'm glad I'm uneducated,unlearned n ignorant , Jesus is very much alive n lives in all born again Belivers !!

[@jerrylanglois7892]

'' uneducated, unlearned and ignorant '' ?... of course, which is why you're a believer.

[@johnnastrom9400]

"If Jesus did not rise from the dead there is no reason for religion period !! All will be going to He'll!! " -- There is absolutely no logic in this statement. It is embarrassing to see the number of Christians who have no ability to think critically.

[@jeffreyluciana8711]

Praise Our Gracious Lord Jesus who was resurrected on the third day!!! Amazing Gracious Savior

[@jazjobse946]

Just last night we watched a u tube film probably made by southern baptist churches in the US some time ago called the case for Christ. We about a reporter who declared himself an atheist. But had a wife who became Christian through friendship with a friend. He tried to prove there was no resurrection instead he could only prove the opposite and became a Christian.

[@leonmcnair-christian363]

The Case For Christ, Lee Strobel... very good, there is a book too - true story.

[@shadowsdad903]

And I think the Shroud of Turin is evidence of the resurrection. They have been able to create a 3D model from the information they have gleaned from the Shroud. There can be no doubt of its authenticity. Watch and pray!

[@davidcattin7006]

@@leonmcnair-christian363 Not good at all. Makes absolutely NO case for Christ.

[@davidcattin7006]

Strobel in no way makes a case for Christ. Awful book, worse film.

[@tongakhan230]

Paul changed from being a persecutor of Christians to being among the persecuted. Here is what he wrote. 1 Corinthians 15:32....If the dead are not to be raised up, “let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we are to die.”

[@FortBaker2011]

Plato did actually write about a soldier who came back.

[@Isovapor]

2500 years ago humans didn’t know when the body actually was dead dead. Lazarus had a seizure and didn’t move for 24 hours after. He suddenly awoke after being asleep for 24 hours after his seizure and was raised from the dead. No one has ever died dead and came back to life. Ever. Ever. Believe what you want. Modern day 2023 science can debunk all of your beliefs. Fact! Cheers!!

[@jameswarrren2545]

But the ancient Greek philosopher born in Athens during the Classical period in Ancient Greece. Around 500 years before Jesus lived.

[@Isovapor]

@@jameswarrren2545 There are no buts in science. You either have evidence or facts to bring to the scientific community to be peer reviewed if you have nothing. Looks like you have the same thing all religions have for science to evaluate which is nothing! Cheers!!

[@benjamintrevino325]

If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.

[@stanleyd4140]

Satan speaks his native language for he cannot repent, for he wanted top billing but God wasn't willing. So he lied to Eve by a clever phrase. Read the Bible and apply that far reaching teaching before you die. Jesus had to pray and obey His Father so the fall shorts of perfection could too experience death and resurrection. BornAnew by the Living and Enduring Word of God!

[@benjamintrevino325]

@@stanleyd4140 how many deaths are attributed to Satan in the Bible? 0 How many deaths are attributed to God in the Bible? Millions upon millions.

[@DiscoverJesus]

@@benjamintrevino325 defending the devil? You'll be front of the queue for the mark then ?

[@benjamintrevino325]

@@DiscoverJesus you'll never know. Plus, I wasn't defending the devil, I was making a statement about what's in the Bible, which you didn't dispute.

[@dann285]

@@benjamintrevino325 No deaths are atributed to satan beyond his being a deceiver and a liar. People believe the lies and reject the God they know to be true. Death comes to all men the bible says because they do not obey what God has said. Its that simple.

[@chester-chickfunt900]

If James had claimed to be the "next Jesus" he would have ended up the same way...on a post.

[@ji8044]

James was for several decades the leader of Jesus's followers after his death, notwithstanding the nonsensical claims of the papacy about Peter.

[@jimfarnell5813]

Consider, too, Paul’s account was of 500 men… along with 500 men would doubtless come 500 wives… 500 couples in that day would have 5 or more children… we could be looking at 6000 people or more as women & children didn’t count… I would also point out that hallucinations are not communicable conditions…

[@AurorXZ]

Hmmm, from what I can find, the term Paul uses ( _adelphoi,_ lit. "brothers") is used correctly throughout his letters as a frequent, all-inclusive general description (meaning "brothers and sisters," "fellow Christians"). This is explained by NETS, NRSVU, NASB, ESV, and others, along with study Bibles like HarperCollins and Oxford Annotated. While 1000-6000 people is lovely thought, I have unfortunately not been able to find any contemporary scholars suggesting a number greater than 500. If you have any resources, I'd love to hear it!

[@jameswarrren2545]

@@AurorXZ We seem to forget that millions of Christians see Jesus every day and speak with him.

[@AurorXZ]

@@jameswarrren2545 That's possible. I was merely addressing the claim of possibly "6000" being contained within the text.

[@dannyhorn719]

Brilliant man

[@Shamsi419]

The supernatural shroud of Turin is proof of the resurrection

[@mick1gallagher]

So is the tooth fairy and don't forget santa claus

[@Shamsi419]

@@mick1gallagher That’s probably as far as your ability of understanding goes, the tooth fairy 😂😂😂

[@mikeregan3265]

It's actually proof of a very clever deception.

[@Shamsi419]

@@mikeregan3265 if you study the shroud you’ll learn it’s impossible to fake or deceive.

[@2k3SteedaGT]

How does it prove the resurrection??

[@davidseverance5077]

Meaning it would only happen both way's but not in one way

[@Clarkecars]

The shroud and Suderium DO confirm the resurrection.

[@ericthomason5553]

The shroud of Turin? When one simply looks at the shroud, one will notice that the shroud could not have been wrapped around Jesus' face as its not distorted. The image on the shroud of Turin is similar to a picture of a person's face.

[@marcusrockstrom7785]

It also doesn't help that both of those items were examined and found to be from several centuries after the man supposedly existed.

[@Clarkecars]

@@marcusrockstrom7785 The Suderium is known to date back at least as far as 300 AD based up historical custodial writings. The wounds and blood type found on the Suderium matches the shroud. The carbon dating of the shroud was not from the original linen but was from cotton repairs woven into the shroud after fire damage. Barrie Schwortz, a Jew, was the photographer and spent 17 years attempting to discover its origin's. There is no pigment on the shroud and it is not a perfect still image. The image is actually in motion. The image is the result of radiation.

[@marcusrockstrom7785]

Just about all of the above you wrote either has no foundational evidence or has been debunked (the repair hypothesis being one of them), and no evidence has ever been found linking either item to the supposed man. I'm aware that coming from faith means people have a basis in believing inconsistent ideas and clutching at straws but I have no interest in it being presented as evidence.

[@peterbeaumont7619]

IT does not confirm the resurrection.,at all.

[@getkraken8064]

In the end it is a matter of faith not fact or fiction, which, considering the context, is the way it ought to be.

[@lutkedog1]

Fiction

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@lutkedog1 THE RESURRECTION......The Savior was now (winter) deposited in his tomb. As the Sabbath (winter) was nearing its end, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the sepulchre, bringing sweet spices (the spring flowers) with them. They found the stone rolled away, i.e., it was spring. Mary ran to Peter (Aries) and told him the Savior's body wasn't in the tomb (winter). Peter, of course, was badly scared, and ran off with another disciple (Pisces) but got outrun, the last passing the Sun first. However, both found the “linen clothes” = the Earth. All then went home, i.e., the two sets of constellations (winter and summer) came into position at the spring equinox. Meanwhile “the vail of the temple (intereaspansum templi = the plane of the solstices) was rent (scissum est = was divided) from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake (mota est = was moved, i.e., over the equinoctial line); and the rocks were rent” by the dissolving frosts. The graves were opened, i.e., the winter was past, and “many saints” (summer constellations) which slept (in the dark hemisphere) arose, and appeared to many, i.e., to such as understood the riddle. Mary stood without, at the sepulchre,” weeping (the latter rain); and as she wept, she stooped down (went below the equator), and, looking, saw two angels in white (the light of spring), sitting, one (Aries) at the head, and the other (Pisces) at the feet (see your almanac), where the body of Jesus had lain. “Why weepest thou?” said the angels. Because, said Mary, I cannot find my Lord. Being a night constellation, she couldn't see the Sun. Turning back just then (Lot's wife looked back), she saw Jesus standing, but didn't know him. He addressed her, when, turning again, she knew him (but didn't see him), and exclaimed Rabboni (My great one). Jesus said, “touch me not;” for I am not ascended to my Father (the Holy Ghost). The Sun and Virgo don’t come in conjunction until the end of the summer. Hence in the spring Jesus said to her: “touch me not;” “but go and tell my brethren that I ascend unto my father, and your Father; and to my God and your God” (Sun entered Aries). See Rev 9, where winter aka the five months that can harm man is led by the scorpion aka Scorpio constellation. The evil five are Scorpio thru Pisces. These are also the five sons of Shem (Pluto/Hades/Maha Bhaga).

[@lutkedog1]

@@harveywabbit9541 I agree with you that Jesus did not exist.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@lutkedog1 I have neighbors who have prayed (in church) for a nuclear holocaust as this will force the return of Jesus.

[@lutkedog1]

@@harveywabbit9541 Your Neighbors could be considered a dangerous cult. Anyway the gospel Jesus said he would return with the Kingdom of God and Angels and it is 2000 years later and apparently the lord delayed his coming...... Mark 9:1Then Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.” Matt 16:28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

[@johnpaul-mp7zc]

If Jesus had brothers born from the same mother, he wouldn't have asked John ("the disciple whom he loved") to look after his mother like a son; his brothers would have looked after her after his death. So, the word brothers eithter stands for stepbrothers, born from Joseph in a previous marriage, or cousins (other possible meaning of adelphos), or brothers in faith. Jhon 20.26 Jesus therefore seeing his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing by, says to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. 27 Then he says to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

[@theophilus871]

We're not in a position to assume what Jesus "wouldn't" do. We just have to deal with the known facts as recorded: Jesus had four brothers, and they thought Jesus was out of his mind. That's not a good set of chaps to comfort and support a grieving mother. (We know later they changed their minds after facing big brother alive again.) John, however, was a loyal close disciple, and apparently Jesus considered him a better one to look after Mary under the circumstances. It was his call. We don't know how long that arrangement lasted.

[@richardashton9490]

@@theophilus871 Where is your claim about Jesus's brothers and their opinions recorded?

[@mikef5881]

@@richardashton9490 Start here: "For even his own brothers did not believe in him." - John 7:5

[@johnpaul-mp7zc]

@@mikef5881 Expand and read all of my brief post "Brothers brethren"

[@bryantlane8646]

BLOOD IS THICKER THAN MILK……SELAH DR.BRYANT LANE.

[@marvelmarvelos8995]

Although the first witness was a woman, the other apostles also witnessed. Otherwise why would they die for a false belief? That would be ridiculous!

[@tongakhan230]

Acts 2:32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. These are Peter's words trying to convince the Jews that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah.

[@tryingtobefairandobjective3480]

“Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.” - Voltaire

[@jamesdaniel1376]

All religions are not created equal. The Judeo-Christian Bible teaches that God came looking for mankind and gave Himself to that end. God acted positively to reconcile mankind to Himself. All other religions are man's attempts to get to the gods.

[@DrEMichaelJones]

​@James Daniel there is no "judeo"-Christian bible

[@mick1gallagher]

@@jamesdaniel1376 I thought there was only one God, you seem to think there's Gods

[@harveywabbit9541]

The one god is the Sun and his wife is the Moon.

[@mick1gallagher]

@@harveywabbit9541 and the stars are the children

[@jdzentrist8711]

Wow. In a "First Things" article, Wright says something a little different, perhaps given a different audience. As I recall it, he says that it is faith and love that "believe" in these things, ie, the Resurrection. (So, "history" is not the "evidence"; the historical accounts are not reliable.) It left me the impression that He did not literally rise; but rather, the key thing is that we BELIEVE that "something happened."

[@getayalewe1009]

God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” Exodus 3:14 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever Hebrews 13:8“ I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” revelation 1;8 It has been 4 days since Lazarus died. Jesus came to the family of Mary and Martha, who were the family of Lazarus. Then Martha said to Jesus, "if you had been here, my brother would not have died. Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?” Marta said to Jesus "Yes, Lord,” , “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.” (John 11:21-27) What can we learn from this? Most of today's generation is divided into two groups: those who believe in resurrection and death in the future and those who say there is no resurrection. One thing we need to know is that what people say is their own opinion, but what Jesus said is 100% correct, appropriate and trustworthy. The reason Jesus did rise Lazarus from the grave was to answer those who have questions about the resurrection of the dead and when the Lord heard of Lazarus' illness, He delayed until Lazarus died. This message is also for us today. In this day and age, Jesus is the resurrection and the life that answers for those who doubt the existence of the resurrection. Martha believes that the resurrection of the dead is after the end of the world. That is by looking ahead to many generations, But the Lord Jesus brought the future world before Martha and showed it to her and said to her: I am the life and the resurrection. The resurrection of the dead is Jesus Christ because He is the Lord who established the thing called "death". When we read the account of creation, the first man transgressed God 'slaw. For this reason, the Lord set the law of death "death on life" because God is the law maker and law giver. During Christ Jesus' earthly time, Lazarus was raised from physical death by the power of the Lord. Now, many people are dead in their spiritual life. What is needed is to believe and know that Jesus Christ is the "resurrection and the life." After whoever believed in Christ he will resurrected them from the spiritual dead. The Bible says: "To know Christ is eternal life (John 17:3) and the day of salvation is now, not after many generations. "Christ came to earth to" RE-SET the first human race" from a temporary "seed" to an eternal "seed", we need the seed of Christ, because he has a living seed of life. Martha believes that her dead brother will rise from the dead in the future and that she will rise also from the dead on the last day, but what the Lord Jesus said to us ? There is no future in him, he is resurrection and life. Because GOD IS "NOW AND NEW" When the prophet Moses saw God appearing in the burning furnace, raised his voice and asked God, who are you? And God said to Moses, "I am who I am." Exodus 3:14 this means that everything is now.. Regardless of time, we are all in a slow or gradual process of change. For those who believe in Christ, the future is now, there is no tomorrow. Because Jesus Christ is " NOW" . Martha believed that Lazarus would rise from the dead, but her faith was that Lazarus would rise from the dead in the future, but the Lord Jesus changed Martha's faith from the belief that from future to now, what is Martha's point of view? . When we believe in Christ right now, the Lord will raise us from spiritual death. Here is what the Lord said: "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; (John 11, 25) What it means is whoever believes in Christ now, he will be resurrected from the spiritual death. Believing means seeing a new thing in the spiritual realm.

[@2k3SteedaGT]

Bro nobody is reading all this…

[@crispinswainstonharrison9042]

We’ll never know…

[@eensio]

In those days there were many resurrections, also Jesus caused some. After the development of science, the stories about it have become more rare.

[@kbeetles]

That is an interesting statement - prove me that there were many resurrections.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

@@kbeetles , it is in one of the gospels. Sadly, nothing said about what happened to them. Lol

[@eensio]

@@kbeetles supernatural claims do not need to be proven true because they are not true.

[@czgibson3086]

@Michael He said stories about resurrections have become more rare. Actual resurrections after brain death are of course impossible.

[@rayzas4885]

Dying and rising God's aren't a genre of gods lol

[@blackbearbear9313]

Love God this is all that matters ask Jesus for forgiveness repent repent repent God Bless

[@salawudeenolawale5317]

I love 💕 Jesus but I fear religion.

[@mickjames7962]

Just read trust and believe in the Bible taken as a whole.

[@thomasjorge4734]

I Love her, but I refuse to Marry her.

[@JohnHanly]

Perhaps you should fear human beings more than religion, because all philosophies and religions are made up of human beings, and there in lies the problem, which is why we need a savior… Or, as you may recall, take Jesus’s advice, saying to fear God, and not man

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@JohnHanly God's religion didn't come by any man. The problem with counterfeit Christianity is that it deludes itself into thinking that all religion is bad, even though the Bible teaches that there is a difference between true and false religion. You may not realize this, but Christ was the most religious person on the planet. He practiced God's religion and taught others to do the same.

[@Mycat1245]

@@thomasjorge4734 Which religion is Truth ? Catholicism , orthodoxism, Protestant, Baptist , penticostal, Mormonism , Jehovah’s Witness, Church of England, Lutheran , Islam , Hinduism , Jewish , Buddhist , Taoism , Shinto , And if you have the answer , explain why you’re right and billions of people from another religion are wrong ?

[@ikemorsch9727]

Air brushed out? But the gospels were after Paul, so how were they airbrushed with time passing? It seems opposite to me.

[@ronnierogers9678]

My thoughts, this fella is very philosophical and long-winded to try and make his point and he has a good memory for remembering scriptures but he has no understanding. For the scriptures read for the righteous one will live by means of faith And not with a long-winded speech of philosophical words. Faith follows the thing heard and Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one can come to the father except through me.

[@jeandon2797]

But NT Wright is a scholar and here he's trying to explain the historical rationale for belief in the resurrection. Why do you say he has no understanding? I think his thinking is very clear and thorough.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

I'll take facts over faith.

[@DennisDillon73]

Remember, all the Apostles went to their death while never refuting the fact that Jesus rose from the dead. Do you think they would have died for a myth?

[@petraravn5421]

By that measure, a great many gods are real.

[@shadowkiller697]

How abt those jihadist?

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

Well it looks like The Trolls have shown up.

[@beemer2869]

They can't seem to help themselves can they. This conversation makes complete sense, it's a shame the trolls don't get this, they have no truth of their own. Jesus is God.

[@davidseverance5077]

Correct?

[@Clarkecars]

I have received several arrogantly negative replies to my statement of affirmation of the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin. Amazingly, those who comment act as though they are forensic experts, photographic analysts, physicians and chemists. None of you appear to know any facts about the relic other than sound bites and snippets from detractors. None of you have addressed why there is no pigment on the shroud, why it, unlike a photograph is 3D, why there is no sign of decay on the body, which occurs in about 42 hours of death. None of you have explained why after dousing it with water the image is not diluted or altered, nor have you explained why the body appears to be in motion. None of you have explained why pollen and minerals found in the area of Jerusalem are present in the cloth. Nor have you explained how a medieval forger was clever enough to implant such material or to place Roman coins of the period on the eyes and to find linen matching the type available in the area at the time of Christ when that particular linen was not available in Europe during the medieval period. There are many other unexplained attributes that I have not listed here for the sake of time and space. I think Barrie Schwortz, the original project photographic expert that spent 17 years attempting to explain away the image, is better informed than any of you that have posted your, pseudo intellectual comments to my statements. You are of course, free to believe what you will. But the evidence from the shroud isn't a half eaten cookie Christmas morning to convince one of the genuineness of Santa Claus nor it it the half baked science of "Climate Change" aka Global Warming. So spew your vitriol, it will not change reality.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

This shroud is fraudulent by all forensic measures.

[@Clarkecars]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Name them!

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Clarkecars Blood pattern analysis, lack of hemoglobin enzymes, infared spectroscopy, radiocarbon dating, carbon monoxide residue, presence of flax fibrils (middle aged European fabric), image analysis, polarized light microscopy, presence of red ochre (iron oxide used in red dye), presence of collagen tempera (gelatin used in paint), mercury sulfide residue found in image highlights and contrast, lack of any organic compounds found in Raman microscopy analysis, and chemical microanalysis. Forgive me if I have forgotten a few.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Clarkecars So now will you agree that this shroud is fraudulent, or will you continue to present a perfect example of delusional belief?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Clarkecars Cowering away?

[@blackbearbear9313]

He did , risen by his father

[@puppetmaster1940]

Voltaire would now have called this man a fool.

[@saammahakala]

Meher Baba is correct in his assertion that Joshua/Yeshua/Jesus/HeyZeus/Jeebus/GlipGorp/TBD entered a state of Nirvikalpa while on the cross and then moved to India after returning to its body three days later! Collectively, humanity's ignorance/ego prevents objective truth from being properly interpreted!

[@newnoggin2]

Don't forget the dead saints that were raised from their graves in Matthew 27:52. Many people saw them as well according to the Bible.

[@tongakhan230]

The account seems vague. These were not resurrections. But bodies thrown out of tombs because of the earthquake. Passers-by noticed it and reported it to the city. These were bodies of prophets and priests. These bodies would have been returned to the tombs. No mention is made again of it.

[@constantgardener19]

@@tongakhan230 This is a neat effort to dismiss this event by suggesting that it was simply the result of tombs being destroyed by an earthquake. Matthew is quite explicit: "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept AROSE, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

[@tongakhan230]

@@constantgardener19 : The English language translators can reword what was written according to how they understand it. There can never be a word to word translation. Here is how the NWT renders the account. Matthew 27:51 ... and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split. 52 And the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the holy ones who had fallen asleep were raised up 53 (and people coming out from among the tombs after his being raised up entered into the holy city), and they became visible to many people. The clue is BODIES. No bodies are ever resurrected. Only persons are. Check all the resurrections recorded in the Bible. It was the Widow's son Jairus' daughter.... NEVER A BODY. Logically, these bodies that were dislodged from the tombs by the earthquake would have been replaced by the proper authorities. Nothing is ever heard of it again.

[@davidvarley1812]

For me the answer is definitely not. I can't believe in the resurrection. However, I respect every Christian who does accept the resurrection. My argument is simple, no one can prove the resurrection occurred, and to assert it as a factual event is ridiculous.

[@mfdoom6642]

To be fair it’s provable that we know people claimed he resurrected and were willing to die for the claim and did die for it. But proving people believed it is a little easier than actually proving it happened. There is the argument of the empty tomb also, but of course people have their theories on why that is. I don’t know what evidence there could be to literally prove it without a shadow of doubt for people who don’t take testimonials as real evidence, I guess that’s why they call it faith

[@davidvarley1812]

@Jeff Sharpe people are often resurrected, but it's by way of medical intervention not because of supernatural powers. Was Jesus brought back to life by way of medical intervention, possibly yes but unlikely given the time he lived and died in. Was he resurrected by way of supernatural powers, I think not.

[@davidvarley1812]

@Jeff Sharpe there are no testimonials on record. It's well established fact, acknowledged by mainstream historians that the Bible and all known texts were written decades or centuries after Jesus of Nazareth was crucified. Even if we had written documents that were supposed to be from those alive during Jesus's life and time of execution, the field of archaeology and historians would have to dismis them because they could not be verified as to being their or written by the alleged hand. It's hard to imagine how any event that occurred in history occurred as alleged without supportive evidence.

[@davidvarley1812]

@Jeff Sharpe the empty tomb, wasn't empty in 1980. The bones got lost sometime during the early 1980s, long before the tombs importance was realised. Even if bones had been discovered in the box with the name Yeshua on it, it would be impossible to scientific identify those remains as those of Yeshua (Jesus) of Nazareth.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@mfdoom6642 What exactly is "provable"? Even if we knew for certain that the "claims" came from eyewitnesses, that is not proof. "Testimonials" are not evidence. Even eyewitness testimony is considered highly suspect and unreliable. Ask any judge, prosecutor, or police investigator.

[@newnoggin2]

There were several others that were supposedly raised fro the dead in the Bible and it was fairly common in other religions,

[@lizadowning4389]

It was a literary trope in the translation fable in Hellenistic literary style. Alexander the Great, several Roman Emperors, Greek hero's, etcetera, they all resurrected. It would have been strange if Jesus as the hero of the gospel wouldn't have risen. To a contemporary audience, it wasn't about actual, factual resurrection, but their hero being exalted and bestowed with divine powers. They expected it.

[@lizadowning4389]

People in those days were not surprised that 'hero's' walked among the living before they rose to 'heaven'. It was a literary trope in Hellenistic literature. The translation fable was a typical mark of storytelling about hero's. They faced adversity, a horrible death and rose from the dead to walk among the living before they exhalted to heaven. Many hero's like Alexander the Great, Roman Emperors, etcetera, were all seen, by witnesses, to have risen. People didn't ask themselves wether resurrection really happened or not. They expected no less that their hero's performed miracles, had divine powers, were resurrected, etcetera. In that sense, the gospels don't differ from any contemporary hero tale. It followed the same literary form and used the same tropes. In any case, that's no proof Jesus was factually resurrected.

[@CIMAmotor]

Where did you read about Alexander's resurrection? I just searched Google and I can't find any texts on it.

[@chrisplato7392]

@@CIMAmotorIt doesn’t exist, the original comment is nonsense. None of it is true, and I’m disappointed that of all the possible videos where someone could comment such nonsense, THIS is the video they decide to comment this misinformation on 🤦‍♂️ N.T Wright wrote a 500+ page book called “The Resurrection of the Son of God” talking about exactly why the resurrection of Jesus is unique and there was nothing quite like it, neither in the pagan hellenistic world, nor in Jewish tradition. Online skeptics of Christianity will make all the claims in the world, but never substantiate their claims or give sources.

[@robertlight5227]

Any physical evidence for your physical claim? Text is merely the claim.

[@robertlight5227]

@abdulazizhaikal4871 Where or what is your physical evidence for your physical claim?

[@annec988]

The disciples were prepared to die for their belief in the resurrection of Jesus. They weren't fools who had false hope. At first they all ran and hid in fear for their lives doubting that Jesus was who He said He was, and then Jesus came back to them to prove He was. They wouldn't have laid down their lives if they had no reason to know for definite. Paul is another amazing convert, although not a witness to Jesus' resurrection, he was a Christian hater and persecutor but God used him in a remarkable way. Paul was highly educated, probably more so than some people today who have all their qualifications and would never have done that unless he was totally convinced that Jesus was the Son of God. They had all the evidence they needed.

[@Jewonastick]

Many people have died for their beliefs...... Plus what do we actually know about the disciples and their death apart from what the bible says?

[@tongakhan230]

True! People who change from being cowards into martyrs must have witnessed something to help them make this change. Peter's words: Acts 2:32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. Peter was trying to convince the Jews that Jesus was the promised Messiah. He was killed for his efforts.

[@Jewonastick]

@@tongakhan230 Not peters words.... Acts is believed to have been written by the same author as Luke. Some 60 years after Jesus allegedly lived.

[@tongakhan230]

@@Jewonastick : Luke was a historian. He wrote biographies of Jesus and the Apostles. He finally became a Christian . Don't historians quote sayings of the people they write about.

[@Jewonastick]

@@tongakhan230 can you demonstrate that Luke quoted sayings from the apostles? What reason is there to believe that he actually did that? Many, MANY decades after the alleged events?

[@alexandraasbury9974]

"That doesn't happen" (rising from the dead). It certainly did when the Father brought His Son (returned Him to earth for a time as He showed Himself to not only the disciples, but others, too). And He ascended imto Heaven where He's seated at God's right hand..Alleluia.

[@davidseverance5077]

So now the spirit of Jesus wouldn't have been given eternal life if it was already eternal. Correct?

[@aspecialangel16]

God can't die he's always been always will be. He took on a human body though he was God !

[@claudiolordino2192]

Here's the thing, the title of this video uses the terms, "fact or ancient fiction". The video itself does not present any facts at all as it regards the raising of Christ. There is an account of this event recorded by several writers, however, this does not make it factual. As it is, though we have over 5500 documents of NT writings, we have no contemporaneous documents; and even if there were originals, it still doesn't make it a fact. The fact is, no one can prove or disprove the existence of God.

[@tongakhan230]

Looking at TV, would anyone say 'No one can prove or disprove that someone made this TV.' How does that make any sense. Look around the room or garden. Try and show one thing that came out of nothing or suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Here is some advice. (Romans 1:20) For his (The Creator's) invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable. Get all the scientists in the world together and ask them to produce a blade of grass. Think a bit.

[@Thereshallbelight]

That's the blessing and that's also the reason why Christians do not need to continuely make animal sacrifices to atone for their sins.

[@zhengfuukusheng9238]

My gf believes in the resurrection But it never happens

[@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084]

I don't understand how anyone could say people 2000 years ago knew about hallucinations and knew about hallucinations etc, when even up until a hundred or two hundred years ago people were burning witches because they believed they were supernatural practices etc. It's easy to say this now with hindsight.

[@peterbarker8249]

...so I'm led to believe...

[@kenhilker2507]

Corinth is 3,000 km (by land) from Jerusalem. It does not seem reasonable to expect a Corinth church member (someone who already believes) to travel to Jerusalem to investigate Paul’s claims of the 500. Nor does Paul provide names, dates, or places of this event for anyone to investigate.

[@sudandhali7545]

Truth is not subject to evidence.

[@kenhilker2507]

@@sudandhali7545 without evidence, how do you know whether a truth claim is actually true?

[@mikearg3529]

The miracle here is a supposed 500 different individuals experienced a resurrected jesus, but we have zero first hand or second hand writings from said people. crazy!

[@tongakhan230]

(Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. This was Peter. He and the other apostles saw Jesus after God brought Jesus back into existence.

[@mikearg3529]

@@tongakhan230 the bible is the claim not the proof.

[@radosawszmid7822]

It looks like it's somehow important for older generation. In the coming decades, there will be fewer and fewer believers until people stop discussing it altogether. This is how religions die throughout history. A fairy tale remains a fairy tale, no matter how much you would like it to be true.

[@robertkily3878]

Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross. He died and went to heaven. He never come for second time. Jesus told his disciples l return most of you will be alive. Wait for another 2000 years. You will never see Jesus. Soul and body get together in the day of judgment Jhon 5: 28-29.

[@sudandhali7545]

Jesus is your Lord. You, yes it's you who were buzzing all this time, need to call Jesus, whose resurrection you doubted, Lord. It may be too late for you, in cause of few minutes late. Are you listening?

[@davidseverance5077]

Reverend Jesse Duplantis: 'But yet.....i wasn't affected......'

[@stevetournay6103]

TV grifter...

[@jameswarrren2545]

I regard these stories not as straightforward events that you could capture on video. Rather, using the language of time and space, they seek to express something on the edge of the ineffable, namely, the mystery of Christ’s continuing presence in the lives of Christian as both companion and lord.

[@fidenful]

People come back from death only in mythology, in history no one, not one.

[@harveywabbit9541]

THE RESURRECTION......The Savior was now (winter) deposited in his tomb. As the Sabbath (winter) was nearing its end, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the sepulchre, bringing sweet spices (the spring flowers) with them. They found the stone rolled away, i.e., it was spring. Mary ran to Peter (Aries) and told him the Savior's body wasn't in the tomb (winter). Peter, of course, was badly scared, and ran off with another disciple (Pisces) but got outrun, the last passing the Sun first. However, both found the “linen clothes” = the Earth. All then went home, i.e., the two sets of constellations (winter and summer) came into position at the spring equinox. Meanwhile “the vail of the temple (intereaspansum templi = the plane of the solstices) was rent (scissum est = was divided) from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake (mota est = was moved, i.e., over the equinoctial line); and the rocks were rent” by the dissolving frosts. The graves were opened, i.e., the winter was past, and “many saints” (summer constellations) which slept (in the dark hemisphere) arose, and appeared to many, i.e., to such as understood the riddle. Mary stood without, at the sepulchre,” weeping (the latter rain); and as she wept, she stooped down (went below the equator), and, looking, saw two angels in white (the light of spring), sitting, one (Aries) at the head, and the other (Pisces) at the feet (see your almanac), where the body of Jesus had lain. “Why weepest thou?” said the angels. Because, said Mary, I cannot find my Lord. Being a night constellation, she couldn't see the Sun. Turning back just then (Lot's wife looked back), she saw Jesus standing, but didn't know him. He addressed her, when, turning again, she knew him (but didn't see him), and exclaimed Rabboni (My great one). Jesus said, “touch me not;” for I am not ascended to my Father (the Holy Ghost). The Sun and Virgo don’t come in conjunction until the end of the summer. Hence in the spring Jesus said to her: “touch me not;” “but go and tell my brethren that I ascend unto my father, and your Father; and to my God and your God” (Sun entered Aries).

[@tomrudolsen6235]

FACT 😊😇😉😎👍

[@aspectsreflections9420]

You missed the key point in 1st Corinthians 15. Paul never saw an actual Jesus/physical Jesus. Paul came after crucifixion and resurrection (possibly…some say that the gospel of Mark was Paul influenced). If Paul never saw a physical Jesus he must be referring to his Damascus experience (blinded by light) or his reference to the third heaven. Either way he’s referring to an awakening/spiritual experience.

[@AdamMeaney-zs6zw]

Blessed are the meek..bless Israel.

[@Robb3348]

Netanyahu strikes you as meek? mmmkay

[@AdamMeaney-zs6zw]

I said ...blessed are the meek.. did I say benjihu was meek? Blessed are the meek...mmmkay? God knows who belongs too him..zeke 33? Revelation 18? Blessed are the meek!

[@AdamMeaney-zs6zw]

Pray for the leaders!