They Cheated in Their Own Challenge (& Banned Me For Winning) - Forza Horizon 5

[@seP4]

Update: I got the credits and super wheelspin rewards and they asked me again about the prize car. They are still completely silent about the cheating attempt and coverup which was the main point of this video.

[@KarkinosSolar]

Quick thing for you mate, your Community is going around giving EVERYONE in the PTG Server loads of shit & Also been racist in their comments, as another content creator i don't think this is acceptable behaviour from your Community and it needs sorting out asap.

[@Kagamir6s]

The problem here is two things. They have no reason to cover it up. Somehow inaccurate information was given and he used an AWD tune not a RWD tune. 34s are possible on the course using AWD. The information in this video isn’t accurate therefore this really needs deleted.

[@usleadershipareliars]

Dog imagine keeping a video up thats full of lies, and then being part of a racist community and being proud of that It's a weird flex

[@seP4]

maybe he should have clarified us on the tune when he was being called a cheater, but no, he kept silent. from the messages it's clear that he used a rwd build. and i don't think 34s are possible in the challenge. even 35 needs a near perfect lap.

[@seP4]

just to be clear, i do not condone or encourage any type of harassment towards PTG members. but i have no control over what people decide to do on their own

[@Tocsj]

Honestly pretty sad from PTG. Dude high up gets caught cheating and doubles down, then bans you and deletes all evidence. Doesnt exactly scream innocent lmao

[@MElmesy]

Very embarrassing for them

[@MrAnbros]

You know they've been picking themselves as winner's on many competitions? Even tho it didn't make any sense a lot of the time. Also they have very heave gatekeeping. I always stayed away from them, as far as possible.

[@usleadershipareliars]

Honestly pretty sad for a bunch of losers with no life to cry about something that doesnt matter

[@ihateyousubi]

Not ALL evidence 😈

[@konradjaworski3222]

@@MrAnbros I never got my rewards after winning one of their photo competitions back on FH4

[@porklostit]

A quick summary from another person who was in that event, a few of us had been going back and forth with 39-38 second times then he posted that time out of nowhere with no prior talk of trying it, I asked what tune he used and he gave a rwd purist tune (absolutely no off-road capabilities) and immediately some of us were skeptical, then we asked if he had a clip, I thought it was necessary seen as one of the rules was that you were required to use a ptg paintjob but without a clip you’d never see it so why would you need to use it? Ptgs response was that it was just a honestly thing and no clip was required. After a few of us asked more questions they tried to quiet us by saying that a ptg member wouldn’t cheat and we were being “accusative” then sepi came with his run and it went quiet after that

[@N3onDr1v3]

And then sepi got this run...

[@porklostit]

@@N3onDr1v3 saxophone intensifies

[@Tezunegari]

(personal oppinion, not a statement of fact) a time challenge where you had to use THEIR PAINTJOB? Sounds like they tried to get promo material for sponsors without being able to pull of the times themselves.

[@porklostit]

@@Tezunegari that’s what a few of us suspect

[@TwinShards]

If PTG were legit any logical person that doesn't have the proof to backup their 1:36* claim could have easily attempt to recreate the race they did to get that time. Using the same car, the same race, the same checkpoint and blablabla. Even if his recreated proof were short of a second it would be enough to show he isn't making stuff up. But instead they didn't double down, they triple down.

[@amazingamer360]

So, a member of a well-known Forza team (PTG outlaw) got caught cheating the team's own time trial challenge, and when they were confronted they denied everything, banned you from their DC server, and tried deleting all the evidence? Jeez, that couldn't have been handled in a more sketchy way. This is embarrassing.

[@instinct2768]

@@gregf1729 now as far as i can see even the discord server itself is gone

[@cripplettv1309]

Actually, Outlaw wasn't cheating, this was proven by another member already. This community also raided their server and was racist and rude to everybody, the owner of this video also said the n-word to another ptg member.

[@instinct2768]

@@cripplettv1309 unless you got some incredible evidence like presented in this video about anything you say. i claim that you are just talking horseshit

[@b3nzee]

@@cripplettv1309 What proof was there that Outlaw wasnt cheating? Do you have proof of SP4 of saying the N-word word to another PTG member? And not once in the video did SP4 say to his community to join the server and raid it.

[@Luko69]

@@cripplettv1309 also outlaw told SP4 that he was using a rwd car, so think with s brain m8

[@Sphynx93rkn]

Lmfao. They are fucked up. You did nice job of exposing them. Actually there are lots of discord servers operating like this.

[@pepzo_mix]

Bro are they all working with Turn10 ?

[@denm6893]

@@pepzo_mix they work with Forza, they're all corrupt.

[@WSX-]

@@pepzo_mix As far as I know, only the Leader has the closest ties with the devs, so it could be a possibility

[@Speedracer38]

The video could have said P1R did this and I wouldn't have been surprised LOL

[@m4phew325]

This is terrible. Props to you for doing something about it, hope this gets resolved.

[@therealbahamut]

Cheaters are easy to spot: they refuse to prove they are legitimate. Honest winners are not only willing but EAGER to prove the legitimacy of their victory. I was accused of cheating on tests as a kid in school because I rarely did homework yet aced tests regularly; I told the suspicious teachers to give me another test. Some would. I would ace that too. They would then shut up. When someone goes out of their way to silence accusations rather than prove their innocence, that's usually all the proof I need.

[@Delimon007]

100%, reminds me of when I aced the map test in social studies. The other students thought I had "cheated" because there was a torn out paper of the map from the book inside my desk. I happened to find that before the test began. Studied it, shoved it inside the desk and never looked in it which was easy as hell to tell. I was also the first one to finish the test as well. When accused I literally walked up to the teacher, reached out my hand and asked him to give me another test and I would do it again right in front of everyone. He immediately said I didn't have to retake the test because that is not an action a cheater would take lol!

[@rudrarajsingh6224]

Sometimes sigma winners just don't give a fuck to dogs barking and complaining that the win was not legitimate But that rarely happens, who questions a sigma eh?

[@therealbahamut]

@@rudrarajsingh6224 Sigmas can still be cheaters and cheaters still need to be called out...

[@rudrarajsingh6224]

​@@therealbahamut Sigmas can be cheaters.... hahaha Dude you're saying you can get head and tails in the same toss You can either be a man or a pussy at a given time, you can't be both... my friend :)

[@jackmagnium6115]

@@therealbahamut sadly that can cause a whole lot of back lash. i had it happen to me a few times. most times i did win and stomp em to the ground. sadly that just made me a bigger target to a point i fried 3 previous laptops. mind you im a US local elite class shooter in a few FPS roblox games. as for people to fight against. very few cause im way too good. even for someone who loves doom eternal and call of duty

[@StevenA1]

Glad you made a video on this to expose their corruption. Was about time people saw what really happens.

[@gp8666]

UwU

[@stretchywings7178]

Hi steven

[@Andrew9565-AD]

Hi Steven. Didn’t know you took part in this tournament. It’s cool to see you also became suspicious of them

[@Shylo2017]

Hello all!

[@Andrew9565-AD]

@@Shylo2017 sup Shylo

[@Daire.McCormack]

This is incredibly embarrassing and I'd never expect this from PTG. It's such a meaningless thing but it's just the shear pettiness of what they did it makes this hilarious to me

[@SGR_Blackout]

Fancy seeing you here fella 🤝

[@PointonMedia]

Yeah I didn’t expect it from such a well known team on forza. Tragic to say the least 😂

[@ItzAnonyms]

@@SGR_Blackout fancy seeing you here as well mate 👀

[@SGR_Blackout]

@@ItzAnonyms Small fucking world LMAO

[@ChummyChum18]

@@SGR_Blackout look at this guy

[@Majima_Nowhere]

"Yes, I got a time 2 seconds faster than anyone else." "Of course I didn't clip it, are you crazy?"

[@vaulthunterfromterra4053]

Makes you wonder how many other events they’ve cheated in

[@TheIdealtrash]

Bad enough they can select other PTG members as winners in livery and photo comps.

[@afatchimp]

@@TheIdealtrash The host (or host organization) should never be eligible to enter the tournament. Flawed from the start.

[@thomasg6849]

this is sad that they work with forza themselves and they never noticed... i feel like every time should come with a replay file saving the inputs of the driver as well as the environement we play in. Then (if possible) having a way to simulate these input so the game would know if it is doable with the game physic and car upgrade/tune

[@ReVDeatH]

Aka the recently discovered thing in Trackmania Speedrun community. Yeah it should be a thing.

[@thomasg6849]

@@ReVDeatH ye i play trackmania and my idea is basicly trackmania system

[@MattAutoMotive]

Well having heard this story I'm not convinced that they are actually working with Forza and the likes of Turn 10 and Playground Games. After this story my analysis indicates that they were just claiming to work with Forza and I believe they didn't even colab together at all because Turn 10 wouldn't allow it they would have put an end to it before it even began.

[@chrisg.2962]

@mo gamer because a Forza team wanting to put on a challenge it's the same thing as people organizing leagues. You get to do something in the community.

[@Sergeeeek]

Most likely not possible. Trackmania is built from ground up to have deterministic physics. In most other games you have a non-deterministic physics engine in 95% cases. They'd probably have to rework the whole physics engine to make that possible. Without determinism you can't make an input replay system.

[@SplaysRacing]

I’m glad you exposed them. Absolutely hate groups that do this… and they’re supported by FH5 devs! What the hell!

[@bubbleman2002]

FH5 devs are shitheads too, are you really surprised?

[@audi-71830]

why am I not surprised in the slightest that a team supported by forza themselves does this?

[@recon1673]

Probs got a buttload of legit fast runs from their team and tossed it at PG and after a while PG probably Said "fuck it" and started working with them lmao

[@Delimon007]

Because they will ban you for track cutting when you are a top 50 driver (like me) in FM yet, do nothing about the real track cutters

[@mazyata9958]

Nobody should be surprised. The whole team are scoundrels.

[@Lt_Coldstream72]

After getting the Forza Community Team Message today where they try to push a PTG Peel P50 livery on us I just had to go and submit a ticket on this topic. I did use both your vids from YT, Sepi, as evidence... I hope it was ok.

[@AndrewAyew2010]

Well done, LT 👍👌

[@ReVDeatH]

Anything to stand on the moral side is a good thing, good job dude!

[@Spherz]

PTG = Past Tense Gamers It’s sad that the Forza community has come to this man...

[@shogunmyoung9932]

Man these Forza teams are a mess. Toxicity, lack of order, and now even cheating over some prizes that aren't even real money. It bothers me a lot and that's why I don't join any team or do any competitive FH5 stuff. Also I'm glad that you decided to speak for your own interests and stand up for your beliefs and not let other people control or silence you. You are not just a good racer but also a wholesome person and content creator. Thank you very much Sepi.

[@seP4]

yep pretty much every competitive community is toxic without supervision

[@shogunmyoung9932]

@@seP4 I have a friend who is an admin at Team Wars said to me how it was like and him alongside two other people advised me to not join there. He also decided to step out of competitive FH5 as well. It's unimaginable how bad it is

[@shogunmyoung9932]

I'm also confused why they decided to create a route that is exactly the same as one of the default tracks but without any walls. Maybe they want to see who is the best at cutting corners and cheesing tracks? Only they will know Ig

[@coltonperkins4424]

@@seP4 create your own team and challenge them in the future 💀

[@shogunmyoung9932]

@@coltonperkins4424 That would be interesting

[@denm6893]

PTG, you should be ashamed. Can't say it surprises me though. A lot of people in this game, teams included, are extremely toxic. Even just drag racing I've had people message me out of frustration to loosing over a damn game. I've been a forza player since the motorsport 2 and I'm in my 40's now, I just play and tune for fun. I'm starting to play less and less of forza these days, just not as fun anymore. Thanks for putting this out there Sepi, I enjoy your tunes and content. Hopefully PTG will deal with consequence for the crap they pulled here.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

Toxic community is not just in this game. Every online game suffers from this same issue. The reason is outside of gaming, in the real world - the society is getting polarized, as people cling more to their "saviors" (a.k.a. manipulative people, who just use simple "divide and conquer" against us).

[@imrevig7261]

I remember when a whole ass team or idk whatever it was racing with old cars like the eight-six and old nissans and started butching around when my E.D.R (this electric volkswagen) was faster sideways

[@Iridiumcosmos]

@@Morpheus-pt3wq Let’s not double down and generalize. Yes there’s toxicity everywhere but every community varies in level of toxicity which Forza has it the worst.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

@@Iridiumcosmos yeah let´s not generalize and start comparing, because your game surely has the worst community. This isn´t a competition.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

@@Morpheus-pt3wq No one said it was a competition homie. Lmao. You acting like there isn’t different levels of toxicity within every community. Some communities are more tame than others. You must’ve been the most rejected one in any past communities you’ve been a part of huh? Lol.

[@AlexDD99]

Thanks for sharing! I hate every kind of cheating in every online if not competitive game. If they want to cheat they can do that in single player. That will destroy only there own game experience. Publishers have to punish cheaters to protect the normal fair players 👍

[@imrevig7261]

I dont get the point of competetive racing online but idk, perhaps its just me.. cheating just doesn't spark joy in csgo either

[@patrickporter8128]

Good work sepi he's well exposed. 👍

[@KozmoPoly]

I'm completely outside of the loop in these matters of Forza competitive teams and prize competitions, I barely play the game, I never knowingly watched a video of yours before, meaning it was by pure chance that youtube recommended me your video. After reading a few comments I just felt compelled to say: You came off perfectly reasonable in my opinion, it seems like some people are saying awful baseless things about your community and yourself, and I believe they should be dealing with these bad actors instead of telling you to delete the video, or saying your community is bad. I hope you keep the video up and end up getting some kind of response Have a good one.

[@crazycjk]

I mean the only plausible reason I can think of as to why you'd even cheat in your own competition with in-game rewards, is someone's colossal ego?

[@TheIdealtrash]

Ever interacted with any of them? Give it a go sometime, you'll see how right you are.

[@imrevig7261]

Okay, i often do the same in minecraft servers that i ask for an entry prize and choose my alt account as a lucky winner but man, in a racing game? They probably have like hundreds of millions already, and its literally people trying to be the best here

[@WSX-]

That and they always have pulled this off in an attempt to silence legitimate players. It's literally getting out of hand.

[@Delimon007]

@@TheIdealtrash ^ I participated in the forza forums quite often once in a blue moon ago. You would see these guys popping up to defend the game to all high heavens (like the game not being consistent when it comes to inputs for example. I gave video evidence of this and many other people have confirmed it as well. If you tune your cars, you will also notice that the game breaks A LOT and you'll have to reload the track and reverify your tune is actually behaving as you expect for it to do.) These dudes seem more like boot lickers to me but hey, that's just my opinion I guess.

[@fulldiesel1234]

Forza Devs themself wont go after cheaters nor do they delete cheated/glitched leaderboards. has been a thing for forever, they rather go for some cool blokes who create some animu tiddie liverys or whatever is offensive to them on that day

[@StevenA1]

Couldn’t have put it better myself. They don’t care about clear cheating and glitching that directly affects all players, but emphasize irrelevant exploits that shouldn’t have been there in the first place. It’s really messed up.

[@nattyboro]

After they went through and edited the life out of the music in FH4 I knew T10 had zero backbone. And yeah those leaderboards are a perfect example

[@christiantaylor1495]

Putting nudity on a wrap is degenerate and they're right to go after you for it.

[@christiantaylor1495]

@@nattyboro The leaderboards don't matter. You can tell by common sense a 1 second lap time is fake

[@StevenA1]

@@christiantaylor1495 So does that justify hundreds to thousands of cheaters on majority of the leaderboards? And nudity on a paint job is an extremity, which I absolutely agree should be taken action against as well. Leaderboards do matter, and often times cheated scores come very close to legitimate scores, so it is hard for people to tell sometimes.

[@bertramlauritsen7366]

really frustrating a well known forza team member is cheating in their own event. they have screwed up big time. this video really puts them in hot water

[@ZR_Ruso]

It's sad to know that there are people who cheat in their own tournaments...

[@No-vq1iv]

The gift that keeps on giving, glad I went back to FH4/FH3. If nothing else at least I don't have to deal with game breaking updates every month.

[@snakeman1141]

I don't play Forza, I don't watch Forza videos but PTG give this man his recognition!!!

[@ClagtT]

Had to watch again just to make sure the guy really says "It's entirely possible I mis-clicked the downloaded tune". That's a keeper. Nice job calling them out.

[@TheStinkmissile]

Wow I’d never expect this from such a legendary club. That’s extremely embarrassing! Thanks for spreading awareness! Let’s get these shady dorks out of the gaming community!!

[@ledooni]

If only the developers cared and banned his account from the game. That went way better in the Trackmania community where the cheating scandal caused the cheaters to lose their face (especially the guy who didn’t admit it) which made them disappear automatically. I guess Forza‘s audience is mostly just too casual to even care. Pretty sad but great job for uncovering this. Thanks a lot!

[@N4SCARfaN]

There's no ground to ban the account from the game. Yes, it was definitely wrong to cheat, but cheating in a competition doesn't mean banning the account

[@ledooni]

@@N4SCARfaN I guess you‘re right in this case but I was also thinking about all those 6,000+ meter jumps at danger signs etc. where the devs unfortunately don‘t give a damn. They killed a very fun part of the game with that

[@N4SCARfaN]

@@ledooni Oh yeah, those cheaters can be a little different as that is tampering with the game's code instead of just normal cheating.

[@w7u]

Riolu moment

[@N4SCARfaN]

@@w7u Imagine using a slow-motion tool and still losing the world record to someone who didn't cheat 💀💀💀

[@ReVDeatH]

Well, there goes my support towards the team PTG. I removed all of the downloaded tunes/liveries made by PTG members. I also advice people to do the same. Thanks for this video. They fucked up.

[@jackmagnium6115]

i would only keep it so i can use it as a "base" to modify from. i like to be strategic

[@ReVDeatH]

@@jackmagnium6115 And you can find way better reference tunes to build on from.

[@nicks_wild_life]

Stuff like this happens ALL THE TIME, luckily they did it to the wrong person who had enough of a following, the right equipment, and recorded everything.

[@nikifalcon]

That's much in the same vein as Playground themselves When they realised they couldn't fix the FH4 exploit and started banning people for using it And when I brought it up during one of their streams I was banned from commenting on it

[@dexketristo2349]

... So Playgrounds Games are being cunts about this stuff instead of admitting outright that the game has a major series of problems? That's just not cool.

[@OldManBadly]

The Developers would be very wise to OFFICIALLY distance themselves from these people. They are bad news. if you see this thing now, imagine how many times they have played this "game" before.

[@senselesssock550]

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! As if the inner child inside was capricious and could not admit his mistake and shortcomings on the track. I hope the stink from the act of PTG will scatter more. And you, SepiSP4, are a savvy person and make really great content and promote good tunes!

[@FranklySean]

Exactly what I would expect from someone directly involved with the PGG devs.

[@KYOR1X]

At first you beat em, second you destroyed em. Congratz SP4, cheers.

[@vinvinudu77]

30 years old, no wife, no job, no future, living with his parents, discord mod, spend 500$/month on onlyfans and sometimes cheat on videogames. The dream

[@talhakhan6729]

Thanks for all the great tunes bro, they've helped me dominate online. You've done more for the community than these chumps

[@TNR_Blade]

I took part in their FM7 GT4 championship a little while back. Never saw a hint of this sort of thing. This is also part of the reason why I avoid FH5 events. There's just too many ways to cheese these things, ESPECIALLY with an honesty system.

[@roboticvenom1935]

PTG is clearly a shithole hellscape

[@N4SCARfaN]

Exactly, Forza Horizon games and HLC/rivals events are really easy to chest in. Races and leagues, you can't really cheat in. That's why I haven't noticed too much wrong with PTG, I've only done FM7 events with them

[@TheIdealtrash]

"ChAtErS Be ChEaTeRs!" - PTG, every time someone mentions a mod, even if it doesn't harm the game. LOL.

[@ChaserX90]

PTG come across as very elitist and snobby, in my limited experience talking to those high up PTG members, I haven't got along with many of them

[@TheIdealtrash]

@@ChaserX90 Neither have i, and full disclosure - even the very first interaction i had with any of their members, on 3 different platforms as 3 different tags totally different from each other was negative, purely based on my stance on the topic in question in said places. They are very VERY quick to talk down to the playerbase of a game they are supposed to represent in a positive way.

[@FakeJeep]

"Me doth think he protest too much"

[@TheIdealtrash]

@@FakeJeep Sorry, i don't follow?

[@FakeJeep]

@@TheIdealtrash It's from hamlet. It means they protest so much that it indicates guilt on their end.

[@shahbazkk86]

Finally someone making a video about the cheating these big teams does and its not just ptg... they ruin everything for players like us... THANK YOU for making this video

[@f4nste95]

Everyone wants to win, and to be on the top no matter how. This is one of the examples and this is not only one game where this happen. That's reason way so many people left multiplayer games and switch to singleplayer gameplay. I left Horionz 5 when I saw unreal results on scoreboards in so many official different events

[@imrevig7261]

Mate i didn't even bought fh5, even on fh4 there are unreal leaderboards, like someone literally has 1.1 million drift points on the mountain road on fortune island... my top with the rtr mustang is literally 480k, i get it that im not the best but i went down at least 100 times with that mustang :P

[@f4nste95]

​ @Imre Vig Only difference is that FH 5 is game with perspective that microsoft not using. Because of that become fast boring and disappointing like so many other games

[@badhabits8492]

Not even just the hackers man a lot of regular players are just as bad. Can't even remember how many times at this point people have rammed me. I can't even enjoy drag racing, the simplest type of racing FH has to offer. Got the guys who MUST ALWAYS be the one who starts the race to get that small launch advantage, then the guys who jump whether or not they're the ones starting. Can't forget my favorite type though. The (at this point) classic "oh your car looks kinda fast... *pulls out spec5/supervan/diablo/ect* , meanwhile I'm in a Buick or something.

[@f4nste95]

​@@badhabits8492 I agree with you, Forza need to solve all this problems or every Forza game will die fast.

[@BravePro]

This made me think of an old thing I had won. It was a minecraft weekly payout grind server. Every week someone "won" money. I saved up for like a month and won a week by myself. I was accused of cheating and although I had multiple people vouch for me I still got banned and didn't receive my prize. And all that because of lying owner. A lesson to be learnt here I guess. Good on you for exposing them. Hopefully that ruins their relationship with the devs and runs their reputation into the ground.

[@domodel01]

I didn't think a shitty little track I made would create so much controversy lmao

[@mrfourtwenty8506]

you gained a sub, love it when people are called out for shady goings on

[@konradjaworski3222]

The whole Forza community is going to shit just because people want to be correct and claim that they are legit, good shit for calling this stuff out mate

[@saultknutz1166]

I mean his name is Outlaw, so I wouldn't expect him to follow the rules, lol

[@thelmanbergian6309]

Why would you even cheat in your competition lol Good job on exposing him man

[@damienlee1165]

I'm not surprised given how dishonorable and scummy people drive online. I wish the game had more serious players. Players will ram you all game then rage quit when they miss a checkpoint cause they were tyrning to run you off the track, seeing them cheat for some clout and wheelspins is just sad.

[@dexketristo2349]

I witnessed that I. A Trial I was doing with a friend. Two guys kept trying to wreck everyone on the team and consistently were in dead last. They were probably trolls, but we won the trial. It was really stupid.

[@lohostege]

I say, all racing challenges need to require video. In (though in another game) a rally challenge, we where using lightweight, low power 2WD cars with either Open Diff, or locking diff (manual or automatic, not like a LSD). The person is 1rst place was leagues ahead, and was competing with times for the that stage World Record, against AWD High Power rally cars, yet the rest of us go totally different times. Couple of us where suspicious of him, since his time was absurdly quick, and he didn't give us any idea how he done it, and no video evidence.

[@SGR_Blackout]

I agree on video evidence. Would be incentive to do these challenges again.

[@0Synergy]

I think only the top 5 or so runs really need proof video and tune tbh. 1. to show newer players what they are doing wrong 2. to actually prove what they did is possible 3. to not hide good tunes from newer players.

[@SGR_Blackout]

@@0Synergy In all honesty, I think it would be fair if everyone would all get their laps reviewed with video evidence. It just makes the cheaters look even more tragic if they can't make top 5 💀 I like the idea of showing other players the lines of the track and helping them improve. I reckon #1 should be the demonstration video for that. As for tunes.. well, unfortunately, people do like to reserve their tunes when they get the best times, but you do find some gems out there that do share the #1 tune for a track and it's great. I think that would be for a different category though, rather than being video evidence for hotlaps, maybe video tutorials for a separate channel on Discord?

[@0Synergy]

@@SGR_Blackout True, but the reason I say that is how the finns I believe do rally its $500 for a car or so and at the end of the race if someone offers to buy your car you have to sell it to them.

[@SGR_Blackout]

@@0Synergy Oh yeah I heard about that actually - I think it was on Top Gear when James May went to visit Mika Häkkinen, iirc

[@cboyslim5490]

"why would i have saved a clip" is my all time favorite PTG outlaw quotes

[@magikmike22]

I have been a long time "supporter" of the ptg guys. But this is just bs. They way they just cover their tracks, delete stuff and basically "be a bitch about it" is unreal 🤦‍♂️

[@theriveracis5172]

Coverups and radio silence always mark things like this as untrustworthy. Good on you for following through

[@usagijojo]

Oh, so these guys are like the Twin Galaxies of Forza, then. Is PTG Outlaw their Billy Mitchell or their Todd Rogers?

[@AdamHemi]

PTG Outlaw sets a 1:36.7 by launching the car on the second gear

[@ReVDeatH]

@@AdamHemi Just hold the clutch

[@knightfall7534]

I wish forza would take the integrity of their game seriously. If I were in charge, I would have an investigation launched immediately and every members accounts temp banned until they can prove every one of the prizes went to rightful winners and that their claimed times are legit. Pathetic. I hope they get audited.

[@MidnightMechanic]

Treat it like any speedrun. Video or it didn't happen. This is all about pride and ego, and PTG just wanted to come out on top.

[@ttr_coco]

I'll admit I'm not a big fan of yours, but you're 100% in the right here. It's a shame PTG is such a snobby and elitist club, can't recall many pleasant discussions I've had with any PTG members, outlaw was average pace on fh4 and there's no way a "tune suited to the driver" (common PTG saying to explain why bad upgrade choices and poor tuning is better) could possibly get close to that time, especially with him driving. Edit: as if Outlaws claim wasn't ridiculous enough: the world record on the Descansar Sprint in S1 class is 1:33.4 by GRF DaaNz, according to Outlaws claim he was only 3 seconds off an actual world record in an objectively inferior build for the LFA

[@saultknutz1166]

Coco!! Miss ya!@

[@ttr_coco]

@@saultknutz1166 Hi Saul, how have you been man?

[@saultknutz1166]

Been good hbu?

[@roboticvenom1935]

why aren't you a fan? curious idk

[@ttr_coco]

@@roboticvenom1935 Of Sepi? I am really against using the detailed setup finder and basically reuploading tunes made by other players. Got no problem with using it to learn what works and what doesn't, but reuploading other people's hard work is kinda scummy, especially when console cannot do anything like it

[@RyujinSwift]

Wasn't this the same people who made the Forza Discord a complete mayhem?

[@RyujinSwift]

??? Hai Saul

[@ReVDeatH]

Why, what did he do?

[@sabersz]

Oh hey Silver, it's Dank! When hasn't it been mayhem lmao

[@RyujinSwift]

@@sabersz Lol Hey Dank, yea nah these guys were up to no good for years.

[@davidhowell1415]

Sounds like they didn’t like you calling them out. Good on you for doing so

[@B-Diddy-6]

PTG has a ton of shitty painters and a few decent tuners. They're not that good. Good on your outing them on this behaviour.

[@N4SCARfaN]

Most PTG members aren't painters anyway. Fluex, Wildcat, and Stuzi are the painters I can remember from the top of my head. They're good. I don't know much about tuning so I can't answer on that front at all

[@chrisg.2962]

@@N4SCARfaN ptg really has never been good it's mostly been just platinum really

[@SGR_Blackout]

@@chrisg.2962 I feel bad for Platinum - him and I have a good history and dude has a good heart/driving skill on him. Hope he finds a better place.

[@N4SCARfaN]

@@chrisg.2962 I wouldn't say they're not good, there's more than just Platinum too. Now I've been a bit out of the loop in the PTG league racing team situation so I can't tell you anyone else, but they made A lobby at Le Mans last year if I remember correctly. They're mostly nice guys, I chat with them about some general things and some of them are always ready to give you a bit of advice for life or encouragement. On the Forza side, some of them aren't very good at racing or painting and they know it, but they have fun racing other people so they keep doing it.

[@Delimon007]

Um, PTG has a lot of good, fast, cleaner drivers but quite a few of them are rotten apples making the rest look bad sadly.

[@DiscordTotallynot]

I suspect PTG was working with Turn 10 by at least telling them about hosting a challenge, but for whatever reason there was no agreement to hand out prizes from Turn 10. So PTG had to make sure they won no matter what. Ridiculous they had to go this far and couldn't just hand out some in game prizes

[@DR-JOHN-DEJAVU-1984]

There is no game anybody can play without a cheater ruining it for otherwise stupid and unusual reasons. Is it that hard to just have fun in a game and play legitimately?

[@discovolante6624]

its just the spirit of horizon isn't it, should we send a like?

[@japanfour292]

😭

[@Angrynood]

Out of curiosity, are there any interesting Forza Horizon groups that are worth joining? In my experience so far the ones I've joined have only had assholes.

[@TheIdealtrash]

Heh, I'm a part of the discord for the painter tool mentioned, and it's one of the most fun places i've been a part of in any racing game related group yet - and i've been a part of a lot of them, seen a lot of toxic shit... Painter discord though? We banter, we chat, we share our work, we beef race with each other. It's good fun as long as you go in there open minded and ready to understand it's morally loose and very free in terms of expression. We do and talk about whatever the fuck we want, it's certainly no facebook group with shit rules.

[@saultknutz1166]

Skippy 4631 is a good one

[@jessies.4589]

@@TheIdealtrash in short , get a life and save your time

[@derekr3895]

Long ago I played in a miniature online-only rainbow six vegas (I think it was this title) hosted by ubisoft / gamespy. They had the "PMS" clan play against any randos that could join their server in time. Any winners were supposed to receive $500. I won it, my buddy won it, and countless others won it - as the PMS clan got their asses handed to them the entire duration of the competition. Most of the entrants didn't get paid and ubisoft / gamespy eventually just went radio silent on everyone. Very professional.

[@joeblack4849]

4 mln credits lol, it is not even 1 rare car in the auction house, looks like they lost connection to the PGG and pretending everything is allright

[@TooFlyNico]

Mans asked for a Peel P50 😂 3:17

[@pwnograffik]

Did you reach out to Turn 10? I don't think they would want a team representing them like this and it doesn't paint them in a good light either.

[@oliveoil1417]

Don't think T10 would listen to someone they know hacks their game lol.

[@agudgorl]

So basically, cheating on a time trial is okay, but third party livery software isn't? That's some backwards logic if I've ever seen it.

[@scrappycoco3687]

Looool. So embarrassing for this team. People should know this scandal!

[@princecuddle]

It's amazing to host charity events where the only winner is the host. Seems very fair and upright.

[@donzokik]

Yet it ain’t the 1st time PTG got caught cheating

[@username.]

What was the first?

[@donzokik]

@@username. goes way back in 2015

[@donzokik]

Their statement back than from PTG was “but you cannot punnish people for playing the game within its own boundries”

[@msmart9454]

I'm your old fan, thanks for updating the program so honestly! You are a hero to me! Yoom view bot king! Definitely the best in the business

[@lucky7th331]

Bro I've been in the forza community for a couple years now as a photographer and basically it's all children, so much drama for so little and all the teams are pretty fishy in one way or another (I'm sure there are exceptions dont kill me plz)

[@schneir5]

It's kinda cool to see some of my old buddies in the screenshots from Discord, like Stephen. I uninstalled the app from my phone because I kept getting random messages about cars in FH4 lol

[@agentdiamond9211]

Sepi exposes Big Forza

[@mrfourtwenty8506]

34k subs and 15k likes these numbers speak volumes... keep up the whistleblowing mate

[@djamaltasniah5122]

#JusticeForSepiSP4

[@seP4]

prizes didn't matter. maybe t10 should bring ptg to justic

[@haroldflower8008]

the lack of honesty and transparency both from companies and the teams we're supposed to think are "professional competitive players" is whats ruining gaming for me tbh

[@GrandoSilver]

I hope PTG's reputation will never be the same again.

[@KOSMOS1701A]

The simplest answer is probably attention and promotion, they were pinging the official lexus twitter and probably had a lot of publicity riding on it, they may have even had it rigged so one of them "wins" from the very start of the challenge by doing exactly what was done here and posting a time that was just slightly better than everyone else's yet still within the realm of possibility. Of course since Outlaw isn't discussing the matter further its all just hearsay and could very well have just been a mistake made by a single person to make their team look good, which backfired horribly because i doubt they were expecting a youtuber to enter.

[@hexor6t]

Career status - KIA

[@seP4]

careers in forza?

[@Delimon007]

@@seP4 For most? No. For some? They made more than enough to retire from playing forza alone in hosted competitions.

[@crispy-k]

I'm just going to take a wild guess and say that they probably get paid real money for these things and not in game currency.

[@Fo1kz]

Look like i need a lot of popcorn.🍿🌝

[@TracerX]

They have been doing this since the beginning.

[@peodsgns]

ptg is such a clown team, with their 3k followers and acting like some big company with merch n shit, dsgnrbnd and thelightclub are the only forza teams i respect because all they do is deliver

[@ryanrake2714]

I’ve seen a number of BS forza teams in Motorsport. Online they continuously ram other player including myself. So because I do race very high skill I made it to first place only to slow down and ram every single one of them into a wall.(I don’t ram under normal circumstances but they all were asking for it). I called them out and their best explanation was it was a fake forza group pretending to be them(very believable I know). I can’t remember the team name, this was a while ago but it seems relevant

[@FakeJeep]

Well the other option is he was using third party tools himself to boost his grip or speed... so.. either option doesn't look too good. Honestly it's reasons like this why I quit playing competitively...

[@T564]

another way is photoshop, since all they had to do was send a screenshot it would be pretty easy to slap a different number on top

[@funkymonky1]

POV: You're trying to speed run forza to stop supporting your clan

[@btr4yd]

"Why would I need a clip?" Uuuuuhhhhh this...? Races are just checkpoint speed runs, essentially and we pretty much come out of the speed running womb knowing we have to clip everything... if we're legit, which this guy isn't. Posts best time and says "Why would I need a clip?" Lmfao literally one of the dumbest things I've seen.

[@jordacriss7152]

Dream type beat

[@Delimon007]

For real, even if I don't have a clip I would go back and do something similar just to show it wasn't cheating.

[@btr4yd]

@@Delimon007 if you don't have a clip, you don't have an argument. 🤷‍♀️

[@Validonelo]

Sherlok homesssss is hereeeeee nice job dude

[@rotarydude9737]

Honestly summarizes how much of a dumpster fire FH5 has been. Never been so disappointed in a Forza game since ironically FM5. Hoping the extended period of development for the upcoming FM title will put things on the right track again

[@Zetec5s]

T10 don’t really take kindly to stuff like this, over the years of being in the community there’s been a lot of times where you’ve left any sort of partnering with someone. I’d expect the same to happen here, I totally agree with you though. Something so small turned into something so big and for what? Very odd. Unless it’s to make PTG look good, I’m not sure what else can be said.

[@DarkPatro56]

First Amber Turd, then The Act Man vs Quantum TV, now this. Can't people get along? Accepting facts is, for some people, just unachievable...

[@mateusv.farias2503]

I love u, Sepi! Awesome work ❤

[@AndrewAyew2010]

Mate, give a f... about those guys, poor lil cheaters shouldn't draw any attention at all, they simply suck

[@teertaa]

Unfortunately this is pretty common in forza community. Even in some high caliber forza scenes this happens almost all the times. I have been gaslighted in a discord server for not sportive behavior eventhought someone started it first multiple times and the germans letting them go because, people who rammed me is someone with high rank in fh4 and having good friends with the server apparently.

[@necbg8188]

Thats sad story bro. But can be worst.. i just got banned for ramming a hacker 🤦

[@pasteghost428]

Spicy. I don't usually share but this is a special occasion. Phuk ptg, fo real.