They Just BANNED Baxcalibur. Now What?

Pokemon Competitive Singles has been turned on it's head with the release of all new DLC.
Baxcalibur not only received the excellent new option Scale Shot, it was also indirectly buffed with the addition of Ninetales Alola into the metagame, an excellent Snow Setter and Aurora Veil support.
These developments have pushed the already powerful Baxcalibur into OP territory.
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[@jimothycool]

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[@wonderface4309]

i was telling a fellow player about scale bax now i have proof

[@ZeeperTheSlayer]

baxcaliber was my favorite dragon type😭

[@LRXC1]

almost $3000+ now...

[@thatonemajin3578]

Bax followed Espathra's shadow. UU to Ubers is crazy

[@nousername191]

Meanwhile, Skeledirge just enjoying the best of both worlds

[@slashine1071]

@@nousername191 dirge being great in uber is nice. right now a lot of the ubers is nowhere near strong enough to be used in ubers.

[@BlackHanzo]

​@@nousername191doesn't darkrai own him now?

[@user-lq4ct6dr5m]

@@nousername191Three ? Top 5 in Ubers, decent in OU, top 5 again in UU

[@LG22475]

This is what happens when Smogon bans so many pokemon from OU in the first few months. The pokemon that would keep bax in check are gone and the loss of Chien pow just made it skyrocket to the top of OU.

[@jennyevef]

I suspect it was Iron Mugulis granting Baxcalibur the power it needed to destroy OU

[@glitchedoom]

The Chugulis court case was just a distraction, this was his plan all along.

[@Vassilinia]

Iron Mugulis can't keep getting away with it, Baxcalibur didn't deserve this. 😢

[@ukko3114]

this seems likely

[@johnblunt6693]

It could have been iron chugulus

[@danielsmith5032]

Their nefariousness never ceases to amaze me

[@deeznoots6241]

Cloyster with a 50% defense boost from hail would be a hilariously strong physical tank, would eat even some of the strongest close combats in the game

[@borby4584]

Don't forget Skill Link Loaded Dice

[@mkmkoto]

​@@borby4584what u even mean, wasting item slot?

[@sharkronical]

Give it aurora veil too, and baton pass iron defense

[@D-S-G.]

@@mkmkoto its about the message ig

[@2im36]

@@mkmkoto it was obviously a joke

[@dinoman6481]

This would make the third time a pseudo is banned from OU. The other two times being Garchomp and Salamence in gen 4.

[@scooter9537]

4th chomp was banned in bw1

[@ShiningJudgment666]

@@scooter9537 Only until it got Rough Skin I believe.

[@therealeternalzoroarketern9018]

@@ShiningJudgment6665th if you count Dragapult in National Dex OU

[@massimilianodelrosso5495]

​​​@@therealeternalzoroarketern90186th with Mega Mence banned from XY OU and 7th with Mega Metagross

[@GoinGreninja]

@@massimilianodelrosso5495 Yeah, but they're Mega Evolutions with 700BST. It was kinda inevitable. But those guys got banned even with a relatively lower stat of 600BST and became Ubers because of it. It's also the same reason most people don't say for example that Mega Scizor is the best Bug type Pokémon since Genesect, Pheromosa and Volcarona had gotten to Ubers at one point without the need of a Mega Evolution.

[@yukii381]

Cetitan: The Pokemon literally made to showcase the new snow mechanic Baxcalibur: Exists

[@jakegiller3356]

Baxcalibur's rise to AG is inevitable

[@justinw8916]

The three newest ice types of gen 9 getting banned is crazy. Iron bundle, chien pao, and now bax

[@elcroccante3112]

Cetitan punching the air rn

[@totalphantasm]

“Ice type’s biggest weakness is being an ice type” is literally smogon propaganda enforced by banning all of the good ice types 😤

[@Eddie_Enfer]

If Kyurem Black is so good why there's not a Kyurem Black 2? Gamefreak:

[@salakast]

Ubers getting so crowded they're gonna need Ubers 2: Electric ̶B̶o̶o̶g̶a̶l̶o̶o̶ Terrain

[@GoldGuard]

Loaded Dice is called Cheating Dice in the Japanese version of the game so technically, Baxcalibur has been cheating this whole time

[@asterlofts1565]

LOL. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

[@Aoi_Tori_]

The game was rigged from the start.

[@tree_tape]

Pokemon players hitting stones together to try to figure out what a loaded dice is

[@sangan3202]

how do you not know what loaded means

[@floofzykitty5072]

"Loaded Dice" means the same thing as a "Cheating Dice", wtf are you talking about?

[@internetrandodotcom]

mamoswine is one of those mons that we always convince ourselves is underrated in ou but ends up being super mid

[@panchiko_deathmetalgrrl]

cant agree

[@BlackHanzo]

Facts plus tax

[@isaiahmcgirt5832]

If it had 90 base speed then it could make it work

[@Brandonutss]

Ong. I tilted so hard yesterday trying to make mamo work

[@panchiko_deathmetalgrrl]

@@Brandonutss Mamo worked last gen. It faces a higher level creep.. do not expect it to be perfect. Gen 9 is fucked up, I cant even play it anymore

[@ad51603]

It's Baxcalibover

[@harrydsgn]

Bax is such a dope mon and while I understand this ban I am sad to see it go.

[@Mr.Crab097]

I'm interested in how sinistcha will go since in your video you mentioned how bad of a match up baxaliber was for it

[@jimothycool]

Sinistcha stock is up.

[@Pudcup]

​@@jimothycool Grass Mugulus's here.

[@dadiscoverychannel]

@@jimothycoolOld Money was seen selling all of his Baxcalibur shares right before the DLC released. I think he might be in kahoots with the OU council.

[@royarg8603]

@@jimothycool Babe wake up, new mugulis just dropped

[@ShadowKibago]

With Bax gone, Iron Mugulis is going to go crazy THIS IS NOT A DRILL

[@kumoko3728]

Smogon council not able to make up it's mind:

[@kylelundgren5133]

​@kumoko3728 Have they ever been able to. Just keep on mine that Rain is op in gen 5 because of the incompetency of the Smogon council.

[@DarthFhenix55]

​@@kylelundgren5133I mean, Latias in gen 4 and 100% banning Shymin Sky are examples of them doing things correctly.

[@RoseyPixels]

But how does this affect Baxcalibur's past paradox form, Icy Dicey?

[@Octobeann]

Icy Dicey might rise to RU from NUBL for this, will be interesting to see how that effects the meta

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

The second I saw that Bax got Scale Shot, I knew it was just a matter of time

[@ChrisVoiceman]

I love that ice types are either garbage or instantly banned, with very few in betweens

[@ValianceGames]

Truly a nefarious crime orchestrated by Iron Mugulis/Chugulis. Gotta like and subscribe to keep these ban hammers from running rampant! Seriously, though, this was actually an insane development. Snow actually putting in legitimate work thanks to Alolan Ninetales. Weatyer interactions like this makes me wonder if Tyranitar really is just missing Excadrill to enable a real Sand Rush mon. It also makes me wonder if Excadrill would actually break the game too with Headlong Rush, potential coverage moves, and Tera Typing. This metagame is kind of crazy to comprehend. I'm intrigued to see what comes up next. I think Weavile has a real chance now that it has Knock Off and Chien-Pao is "chilling" in Ubers. I feel like it answers Kingambit with Low Kick while resisting Sucker Punch and potentially getting boosted by Slowking/A-Ninetales's Snow. That speed tier is still top tier.

[@1lamafarmer]

I think rather than break the game, a Drill meta would just shift into extreme weather wars where the only way to reliably stop Drill is to get rid of the sand. Gen V all over again.

[@pratiikkaushik8285]

Throwback to ORAS where they were having the discussions as to whether Ubers was the banlist for OU or if it was its own tier, and now almost 10 years later there's talk of having both an OUBL and an Ubers... Wild

[@infinitydesu]

What I find crazy is that ORAS was 10 years ago lmao

[@stupidflandrs4856]

Jim never missing an opportunity to rep everyone's favorite mammoth. You love to see it, I too am a believer in Mr. Boop Snoot's OU potential

[@grunkleg.3110]

Snow boosting Ice-type Defense + Aurora Veil feels like an oversight or something. I really hope they give Ice 2 or 3 more resistances in Gen 10 while Dexiting Aurora Veil, because right now Ice is just a type of extremes

[@kallixo]

eveery ice type is shit or really good weavile,bax,kyurem-b,regieleki,darm-g

[@zero123alpha6]

​@@kallixoregieleki isn't ice tho?

[@Nameless0131]

Lol they probably saw it Tera to ice so often they forgot it’s actual type

[@whatgoeshere24]

@@zero123alpha6what do you mean? regieleki was the first ice type regi we got regice? that sounds like a cool fakemon in gen 294 probably

[@twobladedswordsandmauls2120]

Mutually resist water, resist ground, and resist flying. Drop rock weakness. Now you have type with 3 weaknesses, 4 resistances, that is resisted by 4 types, and super effective against 4 types. It's not super overpowered, but it now has more viable strategies than "speedy attacker." Does Nerf rock, but that can be fixed by getting rid of its weaknesses to water and ground. Both of those have the argument of "erosion," but pokemon battles do not take place over the course of many years, and, unlike grass, water and ground aren't actually doing anything that would make those processes happen faster. And frankly, rock does not need 5 f***ing weaknesses, and both water and ground need to be taken down a peg.

[@dragonmaster951753]

Garchomp had scale shot before, just not loaded. I used to run it with kings rock before it was banned. It was funny flinching with earthquake unexpectedly

[@blastthechaos6083]

Baxcalibur:"They all called me weak...now look at me now"

[@akirakurai236]

Hoping for an OUBL tier. It wouldn't affect OU at all and it would help list the ubers that aren't viable in ubers. Edit: I'm not saying this should be the tier between OU and Ubers. OUBL should act like any other BL tier, aka a ban list. Mons in UUBL are banned from UU but aren't used enough in OU to be labeled as OU. They will never drop down to UU unless voted on so the only tier you can use them in is OU and above. OUBL should act like this but for Ubers.

[@AaronTats]

There really needs to be a format that’s the median of OU and Ubers. There’s quite a discrepancy between the two.

[@linkloyan4624]

The thing is that if this is not supposed to be the main tier (and it cant because it wouldnt be competetive) then it cant be made by usage stats, because for example via usage there would be no tusk in OU because ubers would have it

[@flachemakouine4291]

The tier : 8 pokemons with 80%+ usage shitting on every OU pokemon you dare to put on your team. Sounds fucking great. GUYS I HAVE AN IDEA 7G UUBL TIER GUYS IT WILL BE GLORIOUS TRUST.

[@Noseihtam266]

​@@linkloyan4624I think you could do it by banning anything broken in OU to Ubers first and after a bit reevaluating if they should fall to OUBL by using Uber's usage stats

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

Ubers was supposed to be the OUBL, but ever since Mega Ray and AG, it has acted more like its own tier A new OUBL is absolutely needed

[@Mamoswine_Gaming]

I don't really follow the competitive scene, but these videos are still very fun to watch; loving the chill vibes. 👍

[@Daniel_234]

As much as a Bax ban makes me sad since I’ve always been a fan, I think it’s ultimately for the best, since the defense boost on top of veil on a setup sweeper is just too much no matter how you split it. However I think it’s notable that just because Bax was the best abuser of this specific combo, I think a reliable veil setter being in a metagame that’s been defined by bulky Tera sweepers may be somewhat of a preview of what we see in the future. Alolan Ninetales is currently on the most recent OU survey, and action on terastalization has been a hot button issue for quite some time now, it will be interesting to see how they metagame develops.

[@peashootingangrybirds1360]

I sure hope Weavile the OG returns to OU

[@WildBandit300]

The last time I saw a pokemon get banned this quickly was M-Mence during the ORAS era.

[@Metaknighttheloneswordsman]

Now it's Kingambit's turn! 😈

[@MMW1299]

I second your idea of having a tier between OU and Ubers. The powercreep in Gen 9 was totally done wrong hence we need a new addition

[@richardli2780]

Maybe not a playable tier yet but an OU BL sounds great for learning ubers. The amount of mons that are up there but shouldnt be used in ubers proper are insane.

[@noamarie2072]

Baxcalibur it's the ultimate underdog of psodo legendaries like it's been so long since a psodo was band to Ubers

[@asdfs2247]

Mamoswine now have access to trailblaze to deal with W-rotoms plus boosting the speed. Also with loaded dice it can use Icicle spear and rock blast.

[@tomgorey9294]

It'd use trailblazer eq icicle spear knock off

[@WellToastedBagel]

Edit: I didn't even consider Ninetails due to not taking a full look at what has been released in the DLC. That definitely pushed it beyond what it could have on its own, though I'm sure even without Ninetails it was going to be broken. There are Glowking future sight+chilly reception cores that could have proven tough to contend with. Also maybe some manual snow+screens or possibly some Abomasnow routes you could have considered. Ninetails just made it immediately apparent that yes, provided the right conditions from team support and the buffs it received. Baxcalibur indeed could be too much for OU to handle. It's like someone gave Landorus a tougher to cover dual stab, and one of the most overlooked yet polarizing moves that came out of gen 8, scale shot. Garchomp was proven great, yet balanced last Gen thanks to scale shot. I feel this was the case because EQ has immunities, and it's had to decide what matchups it was winning with its coverage more often than not. Sure, on occasion it would obliterate a team that was bad against it. But being stopped by many common team pairings did have its progress cut short if wielded too early. Cefable, Corviknight, Zapdos, Lando and Rotom wash early game, Slowbro were great checks to it, which were all above A rank on gen 8's viability ranking. Baxcalibur turns this idea on its head. Dragon Ice typing with the right coverage has been proven ban worthy before, with both Kyurem and Kyurem Black. Despite being a nerfed Kyurem Black, Baxcalibur is by no means a slouch. That bulk is on par with Garchomp, and its power is much greater than Chomps. While also resisting water, neutral to ice and immune to burn. It also somehow still manages to have a speed tier that manages to out speed Dragapult at +1. With understated defensive qualities giving it room to set up, and power and a speed tier that allow it to actually be a potential threat when given that opportunity. All that is needed is coverage, and honestly, all it needs is EQ to get the job done. EQ is powerful enough coverage against grounded steels that all that is left is what is immune to EQ, has resistances to it least one type and also has the bulk to take on a neutral hit. Which is limited to Corviknight, Scizor, Slowbro and Dondozo. All of which get overwhelmed by both Baxcalibur's power on its own, and the team support that is likely to come with it. Baxcalibur was already kind of doing this pre-dlc to an extremely effective level with DD, sitting at #6 in usage at some point. Scale shot+SD gives Bax the versatility of either falling back and breaking for its teammates with SD, or outright sweeping thanks to its overwhelming presence at +2 and scale shot boosting it's speed past the entire unboosted meta game at +1. DD keeps it least on par with CB, which in itself already was an option to consider on teams that demanded its +1 power with more immediacy. Such unhindered, and very valuable role compression provided by scale shot, on something as powerful as Baxcalibur unquestionably needs to be banned in my mind. And clearly that was proven to be so by the unanimous quick ban that has been passed.

[@SilverShadow494]

you wrote an essay and im 100% not readin allat

[@WellToastedBagel]

@@SilverShadow494 TLDR; Bax got scale shot and can sweep with scale shot under screens and snow consistently.

[@dozokhu7392]

I think they should just add OUBL as a unofficial tier. Just to place mons in so people can play a meta where those mons which can't keep up with the box legendaries can play.

[@Substantial-hf1rm]

I never understood this when you can just play Ubers. You can beat people with just about anything as long as you play better.

[@amirrbah167]

There’s barely gonna ba enough moms in the tier I see no point

[@GoinGreninja]

@@Substantial-hf1rm Yes, you can theoretically win with any team in any tier. That doesn't mean that the obvious power disparity doesn't exist. If they want to be used a fair amount instead of the meta picks like Miraidon, Koraidon, Arceus, Zacian-Crowned and Skeledirge, then this new idea of a tier could be pretty fun to play. Besides, he suggested for an unofficial tier. Meaning they're still in Ubers and you can use them just fine there. But this hypothetical tier just lets them be seen more.

[@malakimphoros2164]

Ubers is OUBL

[@AmoniPaleo]

​​@@Substantial-hf1rmNot everyone wants to play Ubers And not Everyone enjoys using the same Ubers teams over and over "Just play Uber", okay, lets say I want to use Annihalape or Darkrai "Oh sorry too bad, they cant even make a Move because Koraidon/Miraidon/Flutter Main/Iron Bundle Exist, and if I aint using them then gg kid"

[@JanusHoW]

I can see Snow Cloak being banned if it isn't already thanks to Manoswine just like Sand Veil was in Gen 4 thanks to Garchomp. A Defense boost AND evasion boost in snow is pretty insane.

[@TexasKing100]

New tier between Ubers and OU could be AU, Always Used and basically just be the OUBL

[@CH-bd6jg]

Australia OP, pls nerf

[@doncolbus134]

Wow can’t believe it happened so fast

[@Primarina.]

i never thought to see it get banned so quick like this

[@mintbrainrot205]

I was so excited to see how bax would play out in ou, especially since his ability and typing shutdown scald mons. I guess i have to run tera ice gambit under veil on my snow teams now.

[@qedsoku849]

Frostmoth is my pick for Ice type boost sweeper, aurora veil, snow def boost, ice scales spdef boost, and terra(ground) make it really hard to kill as it sets up 2 quiver dances (ogerpon and other hard hitting physical attackers can do it though), and once it does, it’s hard to answer in a good way due to ice ground coverage.

[@Dorya_Ora]

It was lots of fun, farewell old friend

[@hamishcoles1379]

I remember bac bring seen as pretty mid even after chien was banned, but its stocks just kept rising

[@DarknessAndEvil69]

This is insane.

[@noizihonni8191]

Yeah, looking at it, Bax did get pushed over the edge from being a near-game breaking Pokémon to a game-breaking Pokémon after the DLC. Scale Shot patched up its "OK but not groundbreaking" speed into something great while providing a great STAB option, and the defense loss was negligible due to snow + Aurora Veil, helped by its pretty great unboosted bulk. Add in the sheer unpredictability of its sets, as well as its abilities (try and cripple it with a burn and learn it's got Thermal Exchange, or just try and out-damage it before it does something and find out it has Ice Body), Tera as well adding to that unpredictability, and I can quickly understand why it got quickbanned with a unanimous response. Don't picture it being good in Ubers, it's gonna be a case again where Chien Pao provides more opportunity cost. Weavile should rise up to at least UU because of the return of Knock Off in its moveset. Mamoswine also seems like a good pick, with Ground coverage to hit Kingambit, as well as being faster than Heatran, enabling a KO if it's speedy enough before it triggers Tera. Other than that, the meta looks to be unpredictable right now, especially with the new stuff. Pretty sure Manaphy might get banned tho

[@timmytigerz699]

To think this thing was in UU at one point.....

[@goGothitaLOL]

Same with Annihilape and Espathra

[@handoverthestromboli6715]

ive been having fun smashing snow teams with Orthworm Jim but i guess happiness never lasts forever

[@foxmaster1123]

Run tera ground on Bax, gives stab EQ & para immunity on top of the burn immune

[@Gold-Dango]

I was just talking to my friend abt Bax learning Scale Shot. In his words, "Casual GameFreak making a mon very op despite alr being really good"

[@grunkleg.3110]

From what I read it was Veil + Snow Defense that got Bax axed. The thing's an Ice-type that can actually switch into attacks and setup some DDs

[@CyberDork34]

I haven't played OU in a while. I hopped back in with some of the sample teams and noticed Bax was basically on every team. And it seemed super hard to guess if it was running Scale Shot + SD or DD like I was used to in early gen 9. With the team I was using it kind of felt like if I guessed wrong it was at +1 speed and it was over, but I figured that was because the team I picked was kinda slow. And then with snow + aurora veil. I thought it was a skill issue. But no apparently it's gone now

[@cowboydan4761]

I gotta be honest, Im having a hard time keeping up with which pokemon are actual pokemon and which are just part of the jimothy cool cinematic universe.

[@randomdudeonyoutube3504]

Welp Garchomps gonna be enjoying this

[@Pam234]

All dragons will be just in general

[@goGothitaLOL]

Weavile too

[@jayanths1221]

I love how Bax had a similar trajectory as its fellow ice/dragon type Kyurem, who also once fell to UU and even RU at one point but rose back up to OU and eventually got banned to ubers.

[@eliasstenbak5689]

A oubl and the other band list pokemon in one tier would be cool, and make for a fun meta game

[@asierx7047]

We're snow back

[@MetallicPetals]

Alolan Sandslash is a ton of fun to use, I give it a tera ghost and then let it rip with sword dance

[@ciaoprando412]

The tier between OU and Ubers should be called UUbers , since it would be made from the underused ubers

[@greenuvlight]

I hope they really add that tier it'd be really cool imo

[@salakast]

It was fun while it lasted, but yeah, this thing was BONKERS with Ninetales-A and scale shot

[@japethspeaketh7034]

Now that Bax is banned to Ubers, now might be the time for Mamoswine and Weavile to shine.

[@et34t34fdf]

Tera electric with cloyster sounds good. Your one weakness is now ground, and most ground attackers are physical, your prior weaknesses like grass and electric are usually special, i'd reckon. Now, you still die to neutral special attacks of course, but just a thought.

[@ShinySkyShaymin1994]

I think even if it wasn't scale shot just because Alolan Ninetailes is back with snow warming and Aurora Veil it makes Bax busted with DDance and taking things out after one or two. I usually have a tough time with bax. Im totally fine with the ban.

[@2im36]

i think icicle spear and scale shot were the moves that pushed it over the edge for sure, with tera ground EQ and dragon dance even corviknight gets 2 hit ko'ed by a +2 bax and there's little to no counterplay.

[@sreenaths6829]

He's the new Kyurem Black pretty much.

[@Verminator4]

I think Kommo'o could also be the one to step up into the void, or an alternative anyway. Its abilities are all protective ones the same as Bax, (though arguably none of them are as good as Thermal Exchange) and can also bust through teams with a single turn of setup in the same way, plus also gets Scale Shot.

[@GoinGreninja]

That actually does bring up a good point. If Kommo-o takes in the role of what Baxcalibur did before the ban, then it's possible that with the help of A-Ninetales and Aurora Veil, it can gain a free turn to use Clangorous Soul and go Tera Ghost or Steel or whatever else works and become an absolute menace with either a physical or a special set. Meaning, if history does repeat and Kommo-o gets banned because of it too, then it's possible that A-Ninetales will be suspect tested...Or more accurately, Light Clay will, which keeps Aurora Veil going for an astounding 8 turns.

[@NathanCotrill]

Definitely agree that we need an OUBL tier

[@july_paradox3094]

I am impressed on the amount of ice types being banned despite its long history of not being very good in ou with some exceptions.

[@duskrem_]

This is crazy.

[@kodahyphenlee]

we’re in the ice age it seems

[@Black117x]

Iron Mugulis plotted this

[@aceguy1234]

A new tier in between OU and Ubers is interesting. I actually think the thing that would make the most sense is if the tier splits into Ubers UU and Ubers OU.

[@inazumatan7050]

Concerning the tier between OU and Uber, they should just unban all of the bad Uber Pokemon back into OU and see if they all balance out somehow. - this post was brought to you by Iron Mugulis.

[@coot33]

Ya the problem is too much OU ban so uber gets too much pokemon There is enough ou mon in uber to make a second OU. Let's be real AG is the real uber ou is like gen 1-4 UU.

[@omega-xk4gj]

We might need OU-BL as an Actual Tier ngl

[@madibyee]

A tier between OU and Ubers? My name is Dawn Wings Necrozma, and I am absolutely Beaming with excitement about this prospect.

[@kessahmed647]

Those baxcallywag stocks will be heading straight to AG dawg. What a timeline to be in rn.

[@darkblade190]

What if, instead of slotting in a tier between then two, they just create a Super Ubers, Subers if you will, and slowly raise Uber mins due to usage. Should be easier to implement, and in a few generations we’ll get tiers named Ultra Super Uber, Or Super special awesom-beers.

[@malakimphoros2164]

AG is Super Ubers

[@darkblade190]

@@malakimphoros2164 not quite, Anything Goes lacks things like species clause, it’s just the absence of smog on rules. If it’s cartridge legal, it goes. Anything goes will still be there for 6 Kyogers in a bathtub, though.

[@Slimeonian]

The amount of bans this gen is just getting ridiculous at this point 😭

[@DJBlackNGold]

The thought of OUBL is mind blowing.

[@zilosis3794]

What if ubers was standard play, and the usage in uber creates OU?

[@vanesslifeygo]

I cannot believe this! I was struggling enough with the ban of Volcarona! Now without this too, I don't know how I'll play. Maybe I'm going to try playing different formats like 1v1 and Smogon Doubles.

[@vanesslifeygo]

@@afvpegknight S/V suck as official games. maybe next games

[@austinmj64]

If there is ever a new tier I think it should be a subsection of OU called OU-BL where it's the top 10 OU leaders and you're only allowed 2 MAX per team.

[@literallygrass1328]

Smogon now on the payroll of big weather

[@AleksHM]

Rock tomb mamoswine is nice to catch switches or to power through a 2-hit knock out

[@CammyMeeleTea]

OUBL baby!

[@Sononono]

Been using Frosmoth instead of Bax and it's been pretty fun so far!

[@mattjayce2339]

Weird how Skeledirge and Ting-Lu are huge in the Ubers meta.

[@nathanlamont9920]

Used it last night (on the actual game online) with G-Slowking, I practically tuned the game around with one Pokémon. I forgot about Nintetails lol....

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

I'm confused. Does that website not have multiple sections so that you can play the same format as the one in game? Would this only affect their custom format with bans and such?

[@poisonedblaze6005]

They should make a pseudo Ubers tier like how we have pseudo legendary Pokémon

[@lammericium-241]

im finally glad weav- cheap-pao is finally made relevant again. mamoswine too, i’ve been waiting for mamoswine’s time to shine

[@K3N71]

Having an Ubers OU and an Ubers UU sounds pretty cool ngl

[@bireland2012]

I saw it happening at some point. Bax is very similar to Kyurem who also got banned. Personally I would rather they quick banned Ninetails and gave Baxcalibur a suspect test along with Ogerpon and Manaphy who I can also see getting banned because of Aurora Veil.

[@hessiankyojin]

Thought it would be meta for a while then get banned later, but I didn’t think they would unanimously ban it this fast.

[@bradensmith8682]

Ubers is looking more and more diverse. That's kinda neat.

[@theimprovedbore550]

this is a very bizarre metagame

[@mattjayce2339]

There's definitely quite a few Pokémon that are Ubers by tiering but don't cut it in Ubers. Annihilape, Baxcalibur, Darkrai, Landorus, Zamazenta-C, and Dialga, to name a few. There should be an "OUBL" tier for Pokémon like that.

[@watercrystals9744]

that has been tried many times on smogon, including as recent as gen 8 where it was known as "pseudos" instead of OUBL and it literally never works because the bad ubers don't balance themselves out because the majority of them are just outclassed broken offensive pokemon, with very few being fully defensive Even pseudos had to ban "bad" ubers like zamazenta, sending it back to being stuck in D rank in ubers because it was still too broken among all the other "bad" ubers

[@mattjayce2339]

@@watercrystals9744 makes sense. The bad box legends like Zama-C and Dialga are probably way better than any regular Pokémon that got banned from OU, any non-box Legend not named Mewtwo, or any Mythical not named Arceus.

[@madmicro157]

Dang, it actually happened.

[@superblueknight]

OUBL bout to go crazy

[@stephenveerasammy3074]

I would love a teir between ubers and OU