They Nerfed Everything... And I Don't Know Why | The Necromancer is WRECKED in Diablo 4 Season 5 PTR

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00:00 Caveats to this Discussion
04:46 The Buffs
13:27 The Nerfs
25:25 TLDR What Changed?
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[@MacroBioBoi]

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[@Shaera574]

As a Diablo partner I hope blizzard is listening you carefully

[@Steven-im2cz]

Don't worry, Blizzard will be updating the existing uniques before S5 start. Necro will be saved when they rework sacrilegious soul to auto-cast party invites to any barbs on the screen.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Seriously underrated comment right here.

[@yharnamiyhill787]

Call of the Bash Barbarians skill. Auto cast on 8 second cool down. Max summons 45😅

[@scottwade1054]

Nah, that would be OP 😂

[@mattThompson-rr9nu]

Barbs will get buffed by it also as necro acts a companion so rough 30000% buff to bleed.

[@jeremieprosa4653]

😂

[@catsnipes5650]

I see we're going back to the best necro build is to roll a barbarian

[@MacroBioBoi]

Bash barb LOGIN

[@thorstengraf6709]

@@MacroBioBoi i am always wondering, are the other classes also hit so hard? i mean, why the frigg is barb always top and not getting gutted like our beloved necro is?

[@zefrogi]

I did this for season 4, and it was the best Necro build for me.

[@mickpratt8327]

This is like when Raxx said at the beginning of the season that the best way to level a Druid is to stand next to a Necromancer in Helltides.

[@Mytelefe]

@@MacroBioBoi Bash barb got nerfed better go Flay

[@redbirds2ndbase]

Thank you for being an incredible advocate for the Necro class. Sad to see the Blight Necro getting impacted so badly. Hopefully theres more that we dont know, than we do know. Cheers to the skellies

[@majorwo0dy14]

Diablo 4 Team needs to hire you. PTR is not even out yet and you already know what’s wrong 🤣

[@OhNoYouDidntDZ]

They could hire children at this point and they'd make better decisions than the current dev team.

[@mapron1]

@@OhNoYouDidntDZ They already Lucky I believe? Or some other professional player? I don't see it working atm. It's not who working and how competent they are but rather what managers do to just allow this work to be done. I 99% sure if management just allow spend enough time on balance it will be made in high quality.

[@OhNoYouDidntDZ]

@@mapron1 I might be wrong but I don't think it's a question of time at all. If that were the case then we would see a lack of change rather than bad changes. I think ( as many people do ) That the devs don't actually play the game and are not ARPG players either.

[@Viettzz]

He's partnered with D4 / Blizzard, theres no reason they gonna hire him when they're getting free information from him.

[@lodunost]

@@Viettzz But they don't use that information. They literally never listen to anyone because they always know better. It's just that way it's always been.

[@AAA_Trash]

As a Necro player, have you considered rolling the Bash Barb spec?

[@MacroBioBoi]

XD too real

[@bungmonkey2295]

Bash is boring af. My landslide druid clears pit 100 as fast as my bash barb. Barb is not the answer to everything and people who cookie cutter barb meta builds are missing out on fun big time

[@ryancparker]

Whoever is responsible for D4 class balance at Blizzard is quite obviously completely out of their depth and needs to be replaced immediately.

[@shiinzu]

Sorry but your solution of just replacing someone out of their job comes as incredibly out of touch. Why do you ask? Because now you need to hire someone else (or maybe promote/demote) someone to the role, this new person has to re-learn all the internal intricacies of balancing the game, things that we as players have NO idea are happening behind the code, and now this person has to work double because, one, they have to come up with things the player base thinks are good and second, he has to prove himself as capable in his position. Long rant TLDR; Replacing people because they do their job poorly instead of educating them, can cause more issues than solutions.

[@OhNoYouDidntDZ]

@@shiinzu Not when they are clearly inept. You can try to educate a monkey, doesn't mean he'll learn anything.

[@KatCat18]

⁠@@shiinzuno one cares, the game is been out for a year how do you want to "educate" them? The person responsible for this changes need to get fired that's simple

[@ryancparker]

@@shiinzu Every major build in this game from every class should perform competitively with each other when optimized. The fact that each class doesn’t have five or six highly competitive builds that are all performing within 10 tiers of each other is a travesty in game design. The unique items, which only work for their specialized builds, make this even easier. This isn’t even PvP balance we’re talking about, but PvE, which is so much simpler to solve for. This game is so fluid and fun to play with so many dynamic class abilities and weapons, supported by amazing graphics. The open world team went above and beyond creating amazing cities, cultures, npcs and quests that are so well written and all voice acted to perfection. Yet the lack of class balance and bland dungeon design is holding back this otherwise great game. Even Diablo Immortal felt balanced with unique interesting dungeons by comparison. There’s not one named dungeon boss with any voice acting, yet there are NPCs in every town with something to say. If it were up to me I’d fire two thirds of the class balance and dungeon design teams immediately. If someone is incompetent at their job no amount of training will solve that.

[@bonelessthincrust]

They fired the Helldivers 2 balance guy and he found a new job real fast it seems

[@tek512]

Man, I sure do love it when things that had no business getting nerfed get the hammer. Certainly does incentivize people to continue playing. Especially when they nerf that thing to curb the power of a specific build and end up nuking *all* of them.

[@OhNoYouDidntDZ]

Yup this is going to be my fourth character with hundreds of hours on to try and perfect the gear that gets nerfed into oblivion. I'm pretty much done with the game at this point, going back to PoE. D4 is my biggest regret in my whole life in terms of spending money on a game.

[@tek512]

@@OhNoYouDidntDZ Oh, most definitely. Diablo IV was a complete waste of money in the eyes of many. That said, while this season has been a *vast* improvement, this last patch kinda proves they're still not entirely with the program. It's really their last chance with a lot of the players, and if they keep screwing up, that's that.

[@OhNoYouDidntDZ]

@@tek512 I absolutely agree, they are on the last straw before breaking the camels back. The thing too is that it was indeed a vast improvement but as many people mentioned it should've been done a while ago and the bar was low as hell too. We're barely getting to the point where the game is what it should be.

[@tek512]

@@OhNoYouDidntDZ What we are is beta testers that paid to be there.

[@jasonlucia6682]

@@tek512 agreed, kinda crazy it only took one season to forget that. Especially with poe2 coming in hot. PoE originally got screwed by releasing around the same time as d3. It's happening again with poe2/d4xpac except this time I think it's going to work in poe's favor.

[@wattforce8477]

DUDE, I love you, thank you for putting that “WHHAAATT” in the beginning hahaha

[@manafount2600]

These changes are such a perfect microcosm of the kind of internal balancing discussions and work that (I think) many in the community have suspected goes on at Blizzard. Knee-jerk changes to peripheral skills/passives/aspects that are used on a few popular builds, while ignoring that less-played builds (for which these things are a *core* part, rather than peripheral damage bonuses) get absolutely massacred in the crossfire. I really do think that Blizzard developers play their games (to the extent anyone with a full-time job working on a product is capable of enjoying that product in their free time). I think their game designers have good vision for the product, too. But when a company gets to be that size, work on this type of stuff (ie: seasonal balance) gets divided down through the org chart and silo'd onto teams who generally have more important OKRs that they've been working on for months already and are probably already struggling to complete. My read on all of this is that the current game's class balance just isn't seen by leadership as something with a large potential return on investment compared to things like, say, working on the upcoming expansion. That said, balance *is* an incredibly popular topic of discussion in the community, so they have to pay lip service to it. That probably means specific teams get budgeted an engineering week or two per quarter to "fix" things, which probably consists of googling the most popular builds and picking a few random modifiers which seem out of line to nerf, while giving out a handful of buffs that are minor enough to not cause waves - especially where those waves might impact the work of other teams (ex: upcoming seasonal content and expansion class changes). So now we've likely found ourselves in a spot where everyone knows there're issues, but nobody who cares is given enough time to propose, discuss, iterate, test, and implement solutions because it's out of scope for their team's current planning. The only way this ever changes is when the community generates enough negative public outcry to get leadership worried. At which point Project Managers suddenly remember that there's a blazing dumpster fire in their living room and divert people to work on real fixes... like with the Season 4 itemization changes. And then the cycle starts over again because - at its heart - this isn't a problem with Diablo 4, it's a problem with Blizzard's entire organization structure.

[@emptysoul2757]

Here’s hoping blood lance isn’t a meme 🤞🏻

[@EliaBombardelli]

I’m really worried about the Sorc situation

[@kevinsims5791]

Yeah i saw they nerfed legendary paragon nodes. Sorcs suffer some in damage so those were some ways to scale higher and now they are gone. We do have to see all of the patch notes and new items to see if these changes are offset by it. I do like the lightning skill changes to vyrs mastery and lightning spear and crackling energy. Wish the crackling energy legendary aspect wasnt nerfed though

[@BenaresDarkness]

@@kevinsims5791 sorcerer has 1 build at the top and the rest are mediocre so I literally do not under why sorcerer is getting nerfed this badly but as usual barb is getting nice big buffs.

[@JEMustang]

Sorc will still suck for sure, and be actually worse with paragon caps for fire like incinerate. Hopefully they buff the Uniques crazy to compensate but not holding my breathe. Really the only safe class to ever play is Barb.

[@JEMustang]

Also sorc defenses will be wayyyy worse.

[@kevinsims5791]

@@JEMustang the defenses were buffed with the recent patch. Flame shield needed to be nerfed but ice armor didnt. 5% of damage being added to your shield allowed us to keep the barrier up. The buffs to vyrs mastery recieving overall damage reduction plus the mageslord getting buffed, along with the other buffs is enough. I dont think sorcs defenses are worse i think they are a little better actually.

[@ZeroPhoenixTheLastBladeTheory]

What if rathma's vigor triggering meant that ALL blood skills on your action bar each got a garenteed overpower. I hate accidentally wasting it on the basic skill. Might actually make me run blood wave.

[@jerryvanzant9956]

I have been working hard on the blight build. These change takes the wind out of my wings. I am sitting at 2,600 intelligence, I question my continuing playing.

[@MacroBioBoi]

These changes wouldnt be until Season 5 and I fully expect them to revert or change some of them. Enjoy the build this season, it's great.

[@mxcn-hz5nj]

@@MacroBioBoi I guess drastic changes are just the way it is between seasons, but I have a hard time continuing with the current season when I know massive changes are impending, especially with this potential gutting of my favorite builds.

[@86TrapHouse]

Salute 🫡 to my INT stacking Brethren

[@Neaganz]

Why do you need so much int? I thought there was a soft cap?

[@Archenemy95]

@@NeaganzWither legendary node from paragon board

[@DrFunkin]

This reminds me of the season 1 patch that everyone got mad about where they just... nerfed the crap out of everything players had and offered nothing in return. Sure we don't have the full picture because we don't know how they are buffing unique items, but they also said those unique buffs aren't going to be in the PTR so what? We are just supposed to go in and feel like garbage? As someone who literally doesn't find the mechanics or aesthetic of any other class appealing, this hurts.

[@pitecusH]

Even with the caveat that we "don't know everything yet", we have 4 seasons' worth of experience that when the notes came out and nerfs were anticipated, the new items/season gimmick/whatever never actually compensated for them, so we ended up at a net loss. I have no reason to believe, given the track record, that it will be different this time.

[@dizk8488]

The "we don't know everything yet, just trust the devs" argument only works when the devs have fostered trust in the community. The D4 devs have done the exact opposite.

[@Chomp96]

The problem is, even if some unique will be better, this is true also for the other classes, so if the starting base is garbage, the same will be the final result compared to other classes, cmon, the shadow build now do 1/3 of damage, the bleed barb should do 1/50 of its actual damage and will be still op, but aside from some hidden nerf it’s almost untouched, even that multiplayer capped is irrilevant when most build scale the critical damage and not the vulnerable damage for the bleed passive

[@20pandaboy]

i cant help but see his mustace jumping to the side at the end of each sentence lol great info btw

[@MacroBioBoi]

The spectrum is strong, and I'm merely a boi.

[@AllThingsFascinate]

And they nerfed druid damage into the ground. And soec survivability. The exact weakness of each class. They really are just saying "play barb or fuck you"

[@matrielle]

Enjoying your game Barbarian IV season of Barbarian V ? Don't forget to grab the season pass and a few "skins".

[@spagzs]

Some of these changes are more confusing than the decisions that were made with the new Star Wars show

[@turinpolakow3199]

Don't speak of that filth here

[@Ozazmonaz]

I'm not playing necro until blood surge feels great

[@trollsearching8968]

I dont get how blizzard can't see the overwhelming power increase by adding tempers for a class that gets to hold two, 2-handed weapons with double effect and two, 1 handed weapons. Like math ain't mathing.

[@blaynegreiner9365]

In addition to the additional aspects. They still haven't figured out that all their weapon slots are why they haven't been able to properly balance everything to Barb levels. That and the fact they somehow *keep buffing them despite them performing way beyond anything else since launch*

[@jeremybryant9696]

awesome vid- ebon piercer still busted? blood wave increase making it a viable build? Bone spirit still going to climb pits? Regular minions using what tech will do well??

[@diogovaladares2196]

What are your thoughts on Bone Spear Mages? Any chance to be viable? Thank you for this incredible work

[@MacroBioBoi]

It's viable, yes.

[@caiowhitaker8695]

Don't worry guys, soon the barb will be able to wield necros, sorcs and druids. Then we'll have some role in the high end game as barb weapons!

[@Silmarieni1]

I don't understand Blizzard. They're nerfing necro which is quite average now, with mediocre survivability, where op unkillable barbs, rogues and sorcerers keep getting buffed.

[@ColinH4558]

The more you talked through the changes the more I felt like the devs aren't playing the same game we're playing. Like they have their tech and we have our tech and they don't care about what we're doing!? Surely that's a misread but maaaaaaaaannnnnnn...

[@sharbanu1]

There is really only one necro build that I play and that is blood lance so I can't really say much about other builds BUT I can say that there are 2 things I would like to see for blood lance. 1: the unique chest piece we get (that does nothing really and I can't remember it's name) gets changed to create a simulacrum of blood lance's primary target that just counts as another lanced target so we can benefit from the main mechanic of blood lance on bosses. Giving it a range of the number of simulacrums it spawns would be great but obviously it has to have a cap on the number that is out. 2: either give us a better weapon temper OR buff the current temper to ridiculous numbers because it seems that dead mobs count as being lanced until the duration runs out which gives us stacking damage with the aspect that increases damage to the primary target per lanced enemy (don't remember the name of the aspect because it's never used). These 2 changes could actually put blood lance in line with some of the other builds by giving us both higher base damage (which we desperately need) AND letting us treat a single boss as a small pack of monsters allowing us to actually do a meaningful fraction of the damage that we get to do to literally everything else.

[@bipolargods509]

I still can't get shadow blight to proc. I've tried everything i could. Definitely doing something wrong. What's the break point I'm missing?

[@Alpha_Kal]

Im not sure but.. .Shadowblight is automatically applied when u deal shadow dmg - so blight/Sever, Blighted CE, Ultimate shadow aspect with Bone storm, Ebonpiercer should all trigger it. In most cases it is hard to see that proc; it is the white-coloured dmg; other dmg is usually grey; the easiest way to track is with Blighted aspect so u will be able to see the indicator above ur skillbar; the main thing I think is the fast application of Shadow/Shadow DOT to trigger it.

[@billbobaggins945]

You answered my question on the necro reddit a few weeks ago, what a guy 👍

[@kingpig8978]

You are so right here. There was absolutely no reason to nerf nec builds further, they don't know what they've done.

[@Equa1itype4ce]

Welcome to druid life

[@jorjecruz1282]

Well, I was having a great time on the blight necro but I guess I'll be headed back to barb country next season. Thanks for all the help on my ebon necro this season. It was a blast!

[@Chomp96]

At this point I think that the balance team of every class don’t talk each other, otherwise this don’t make sense, outside the bone spirit buff, you can see a pattern when they tried to balance the build of the necro, putting down more the most powerful, and putting down less also the weaker, and now kinda they are more balanced, in the wrong way, but the barb team seems to balance it’s class almost only buffing the weaker build, making the class every season unanimously stronger, can the barb team tell the necro team how to balance actually buffing the weaker builds? At this point it’s clear that the barb will never been balanced, so let’s unbalance also the other classes

[@AaronMagro-tr5iq]

I've been working on the bloodwave build since the beginning. I can only get to 104 Pit. Fun build with constant OP, tons of blood orbs that immediately reset the BW, minions stay up, etc.

[@francisserpa4465]

I liked hearing the macro bio come out with the wolves and bunnies analogy 😂

[@deltapapa42]

Great video I wish that more Diablo partners of the other classes had this type of breakdown of the buffs/nerfs to the various builds.

[@ronliposuction4583]

Can you make an updated build on the necro stating after the patch what necro is the strongest for the endgame. Thank you so much!!!

[@taithleach01]

Was very surprised to see so many nerfs to Necro. Praying they're balancing around the legendary powers/and or buffed + new uniques and it's not actually as bad as it seems. Luckily it's just for PTR right now. Also great video!

[@ThatDudeKaz]

dam u had me locked in for the full 32 mins lol, good break down my man. hope to see r necro boi get some compensation in the future

[@XIIILostSoul]

Loved the bunny wolf analogy, your overall view on how the basic balance should be is on point. I play a necro every season, so I hope they listen to your advice and pull back on some of their changes.

[@doakesanddrax]

I feel like the answer we are going to get is. Oh we buffed the uniqes so thats why we made these charges. But we dont get to see changes until live and they are going to be underwhelming

[@stash770]

As a Sorc main, I was so excited for Season 5 that I bought the premium DLC, thinking they would fix the balance of the game. After that last patch note, I'm so disappointed and question my decision to buy this DLC. At this point, it's just play Barb or quit the game.

[@batmon696]

Lol it's kind of been that way sadly for all four seasons. We had a pretty good time ig in season 2, but even still Barb's been on top.

[@asum7786]

As always, thank you for all the work you do. But damn that's pretty devastating. Here's hoping for some major post-PTR changes.

[@Serriad8]

I think that some of these changes(and some of the sorcerer nerfs) come from both seeing things that are massively over represented like blighted aspect and grasping veins, as well as their (in my opionion good) clear desire to cap a lot of paragon nodes that have effecticely infinite scaling. The problem, like you said, is unlike some other classes necromancers arent just taking these things because they are strong but also because they literally cannot scale there damage up high enough in any other way. So what ends up happening is what I feel like are good changes for overall game health, but without any meaningful compensation for the massive damage loss. I'm not asking for necro to have multiple builds that are the strongest in the game, but looking at these changes, it feels like every single shadow build is dead and both blood builds are even more dead. It feels like unless some serious changes are coming there are only going to be three builds strong enough to even be worth playing and that really sucks. The only other thing i can semi-hope for is that some of the uniques get much better when they rebalance them, but how much power are they willing to put in one item Overall, I really hope the devs either already have more changes(spefically buffs) planned or that they can see the feedback that you and many others are putting out there. If season 5 starts with necro in this same spot, it would be pretty disappointing to see.

[@alexpatrao6516]

@macrobioboi Great analysis. The minion builds will get a buff from the change to scythe weapons with the added +minion dmg. They stated it in the video, but we don't have the numbers yet.

[@Orthus100]

Unless they change inherent stats a lot, we can expect an additive 10% increase, which equates to almost nothing in the end with tempers.

[@justinsurpless4137]

very interested in your test results from the PTR

[@nephram1702]

Do they have a dev for every class or adam jjackson for every class.

[@pitecusH]

Hey NecroBioBoi, thank you for all the work you put into your videos as well as into the class. Admittedly, I'm yet to finish watching (just passed the buffs part of it) but it looks like necro will be nerfed to oblivion. Here's to hoping the devs will actually take your feedback. Even with the caveat that we "don't know everything yet", we have 4 seasons' worth of experience that when the notes came out and nerfs were anticipated, the new items/season gimmick/whatever never actually compensated for them, so we ended up at a net loss. I have no reason to believe, given the track record, that it will be different this time.

[@Vinny_Von]

Always with the deep dive, looove it. Appreciate your hard work Mac

[@chrisbenson98]

I mean there’s an expansion coming? And maybe there’s a complete skill/paragon board coming?

[@jameswagner276]

So they change blood mist cooldown to start after exiting blood mist but leave exploding mist in the game????? You blow up corpses while in blood mist to reduce active cooldown.

[@ghekor]

That's the one change that really baffled me... the whole point of Infinimist was to be almost/fully permanently inside BM and just blow shit up... so they are effectively removing a whole build

[@jameswagner276]

@@ghekor i use it on my ebonpiercer every now and again to keep flesheater up easier when speed farming and being lazy. They love crapping on the necro class and idk why. Lets not talk about the wither node. Did it with bone spear now any shadow dot builds but here barbs have more buffs on the house

[@mitchelljordan1967]

Blizzard just needs to hire the Maxroll guys already. Someone hire this man, put him on the balance team.

[@joehoff7285]

I played a bloodwave / bloodlance build season2 ... was soo omega fun. Maybe i will try it out again in season 5. I dont care if a build doesn t run a pit lvl 150+ for me 110 is just fine. I think this might change when raids a coming out.. because i am forced to play meta builds else i wont get an invite. Thanks for the Vid. I think Blizzard and all necro players can be really happy to have you to test and provide such a good feedback

[@RobertNugent]

It's even worse for bone spear. By replacing the scythe's primary affix of crit damage with minion damage they're making us switch to swords, but we lose % resource generation while wielding a scythe tempers.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Scythes don't grant critical strike damage. They grant life per kill.

[@dizk8488]

Appreciate the honest feedback and not blowing smoke up our asses. Blizzard just hire this man, he seems to care a lot more than the devs themselves.

[@nickrobinson5715]

They also didn't address the minion armor and resistance nodes in the Paragon that mean nothing now

[@nickrobinson5715]

Also I think iron maiden just needs a complete rework. What it does now provides little to no benefit to all builds over decrepify let alone anything else. Enemies hit have their life force stolen/you gain life steal against them. and the aspect that makes it dark do DoT would be much much much better

[@Vmcf1968]

im playing a blood lance necro, because i dont like having minions (too much screen chatter). is there a build i can sacrifice my minions and still be happy. the necro is currently level 80 (an alt). for caveat i love the lance build its fun and i dont care about high push in pits.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Yes blood lance will do just fine.

[@manfredhoudek2385]

Awesome, my Iron Maiden Razorblade Golem build with Bone spirit is getting major buffed.

[@freddynash8545]

Didn't they buff shadowblight to compensate the blighted aspect nerf?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Builds didn't care about shadowblight's before, and DoT builds won't care about it after. You can't scale crit and DoT, they don't overlap.

[@cjanalyst9802]

Definitely hope they fix blight so the amulet doesn’t become useless. Got the amulet build decked out and loving it and would be sad to see it become useless this summer. Thanks for doing the data, greatly appreciated!

[@timelyspirit]

Macro, your thumbnail game was on point with this one!

[@MacroBioBoi]

I'm unironically super proud of this one. Hopefully people get it.

[@jgassman]

In a world full of wolves and bunnies, be a MacroBioBoi.

[@richardhaw9757]

Been trying to make blood lance work, it’s just dead jn the water. It slapped in s1, tho. They should have reworked the blood skill to scale with the health of the monster and player plus overpower

[@blaynegreiner9365]

It only slapped because of The Barber, which benefitted so many other builds even more. It felt good to play, but it wasn't really any better in relation to other builds than it was for season 2 or 3. It is definitely hurting currently, though.

[@richardhaw9757]

@@blaynegreiner9365 i don’t play barber. Just the one that curses and corpse explodes

[@danielradu7491]

been waiting for the best explanation from all streamers . thanks mac ur my favourite

[@TonyTheTerrible]

might be my new fav yter. way too many "content creators" just spew hyperbolic rants with no numbers/figures to back them up. kudos!

[@vitorvena]

Youre such a nerd, i love it, its amazing how you can essentially predict exactly how the meta will shake just from the info given on the patch notes, not only that but also beyond with specifics such as the intent behind builds, items and setups... Keep it up man, youre a treasure to the D4 community!

[@TheNichq]

I had fun with Necro for one season. I guess it's back to Barb now since they will always be OP.

[@DontEatCream]

As someone who plays flavor of the month classes only, I’m going to join the rogue party next season. See you there boys

[@hitmee398]

I been wanting to make a blood lance build for so long. I hope 1 day

[@StacattoSoul]

It seems like they're trying to open up build options by nerfing specific builds into the ground, but unless this is accompanied by a huge scaling decrease to enemy HP in the pit it's going to feel really bad all around. I like not having to spend hours theorycrafting my way into the one janky build that deals 500 times the damage of other options in that class, but if the answer to that is to make everything less satisfying to play I'm not sure that's really a win.

[@davidfrazier6308]

nerfs isnt the answer buffs are every class needs to be brought up to barb spec nerfing stuff makes the game feel bad even if the nerf enemy's people like to get strong and smash really hard enemy's not get nerfed and weaker enemy's people like seeing big numbers when killing enemy's not small numbers ARPGS is all about power fantasy i already said once they start nerfing things im uninstalling the game that's why i hated the game before season 4 they kept nerfing sorc when it was the worst class in the game. the fixed alot of problems but i will not put up with nerfs when they are very far from needed i dont think barb needs nerfed. its not like it slaying level 200 pit with ease nobody has got close to hitting 200 pit.

[@StacattoSoul]

@@davidfrazier6308 For sure! Hopefully they're going to nerf enemy HP as well to bring it in line with the changes here, but given the way things are looking right now I think this is probably going to be a pretty disappointing patch.

[@VargVikernes1488]

I'd like them to nerf damage and health numbers to more sensible numbers, instead of billions

[@StacattoSoul]

@@VargVikernes1488 Agreed. Squashing the stats would do more to enhance build variety than any combination of buffs/nerfs, and it would make patches less infuriating.

[@michaelscott2093]

I hope there is someone that understands sorc like you do necro in the partner discord making this spreadsheet. They literally took a class that needed to be perma immune to get past pit 115 and just removed the immunity. Then the backup plan (ice armour) is also nerfed a ton. So i am so excited about this chain lightning unique but...im not sure i want to grind for a month to get perfect gear just to clear pit 100.

[@drdynanite]

I think the situation with power sources distribution for a Blight build is the best example of bad design. The fact that this build is where it's at just because of 1 item is pretty lame, and looks like devs don't really understand that when their compensation for the nerf is buffing irrelevant Blight damage. Regardless of what comes from this PTR, I'm a bit worried that with devs changing their philosophy about uniques and making them more impactful we'll get more builds where its power mainly comes from 1 item.

[@nicolasguerra]

Question Macro, does Blizzard have people actually doing these types of calculations for their changes?

[@mickpratt8327]

So do these changes hurt Bone Spear? I dont want to feel like i wasted time farming for that gear while my Shadow Minions already are getting nerfed.

[@MacroBioBoi]

Very slightly

[@mickpratt8327]

​@@MacroBioBoiThank you!!

[@ParaFoxxen]

So the barb is the summoner yet again?🤔

[@AlexandraSpeaks]

season 5 is probably gonna be the perfect showcase as to why ive switched to a barb main

[@MusaOsmanKaratosun]

Now I really want to have your sorcerer version 😬

[@wulfssoul]

I appreciate your dedication to the Necro cause, amazing work as always.

[@Bo0ris]

Really sad about the wither cap. It was one of the cooler build defining things.

[@k1w1fru1t9]

Hey Macro, thanks for making this video! so glad someone with your passion for the class is doing this and getting the valuable feedback to the Bliz devs. Lets hope they take it onboard. Liked & Subbed thanks again.

[@jared07x]

We need a community of clippers and video editors to compile and cut down good analysis like this, and then we need to robot chicken strap down and eye open the dev team at D4 to watch.

[@truane71]

Glad I got to enjoy the Ebonpiercer build this season because it’s one of the most fun builds I have played since release. Hoping these changes are reevaluated because, as much as I want to play Bone Spirit, I don’t need to see ONLY Bone Spirit builds.

[@roberthenry5507]

Can u please redo the blight build to reflect the the nerfs? Please

[@MacroBioBoi]

You don't change anything. This is season 5 PTR notes.

[@raylewis5514]

So, buff barbs or keep them the same, and nerf every way other classes can get ANY noticeable damage? Got it.

[@matrielle]

It's okay, everybody rejoice because they nerfed the holy bolt elixir ! /s

[@OhNoYouDidntDZ]

@@matrielle the only thing that made it possible to push pit lmao.

[@justaddsleep]

They nerfed the best thorns build because you need 7 minions, so solo golem thorns is dead. Summoning damage doesn't affect thorns currently, praying for a fix here. None of the summoning damage source increases do anything for thorns. I am hoping to see some of the new uniques and legendaries. I imagine it will budget a lot of power back into the game and hopefully the thorns army manual gets a fix since two of the rolls are brick on defenders and 3 of the rolls are brick on golem focus. Overall I think they mean well but just don't understand the more nuanced impact of the changes. This video does a lot to remedy that. Good job and looking forward to test and report bugs in PTR.

[@Orchal48]

Why should Shadow Golem only suffes a 5% decreased damages from the Grasping Veins nerf? I don't get it. Unless the assertion is that we only have 25% crit chance. I think i'm not at 100% crit but like very very close, so the relative loss should be 40/50 which is 20%. Or maybe because you think the 50x doesn't apply to minions? Because it does, just tested it. Thank you very much by the way, your work is amazing! Update: with my spreadsheet, the loss is about 51%, which is at the end pretty close :)

[@Orchal48]

The patch is quite incomplete... We might complain a little bit too early ;) With new aspects and changes, I guess we can still except many builds to actually lose damages when probably gaining some versatility...

[@dolomite13]

Adding additional max tempers based on greater affixes is a good first step now lets give us a number of resets for tempering equal to greater affixes. Make it cost 5 mill and some resources or something like that but they need to make it harder to brick.

[@kengraham69]

I would just really love to be able to have a minion blood surge build that doesn’t suck but maybe season 6 has something for me.

[@khoi0107]

New player here, started with necromancer and if they nerf it i doubt i will continue playing

[@L1mOnAd1C]

Thanks for the video. Agree to disagree with necro changes 😂😂😂 although I understand why they tried to nerf blighted I can't really see why would it need to be so brutal. 1 point on overpower though. It would be wrong to calculate efficiency based on count of hits. If each 4th hit that overpowers contributes 90% of total build damage output than nerf or buff should also be factored by that number - 90%.

[@markaurelius2333]

everything? my current blood wave + blood lance build got buffed and it feels good to not being forced to use shadowblight aspect to get the extra dmg... overall its a good thing to tune down some dmg sources to level the playfield for future buffs/balance changes

[@MacroBioBoi]

Sadly blood lance also is nerfed in this patch.

[@andriystashko-ziabletsov7893]

You are spot on with your analysis - this balancing doesn't make sense. I'm still coping that maybe PTR would have way changes than published (kind of like previous time). I agree that blighted should've been nerfed ages ago. But is the only way to it by destroying every shadow build?

[@warequalspeace42]

We waited 4 seasons for Blight to actually fucking work...and now its literakky trash...what a fkn joke..

[@demboykev]

while barb is literally one shotting uber bosses haha

[@StillWeRide]

this is ptr right? my s4 necro is safe right?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Yes

[@tonyf8167]

good presentation... what i really take out of it is: OPS normal at the Blizzard theory crafting department.

[@kimberlyscott8041]

@ macrobioboi thanks for your analytical evaluation of the nerfs for the necromancer… it’s telling. I hope Blizzard takes it under consideration. Could you do the same for necromancer’s sister class the Sorc.

[@demonxc87]

Im running a blighted build with 2700 intel, and the wither nerf, is almost the same as just capping overpower/crit damage for barbs...

[@d4mephisto]

Hope this video gets some traction. I wanna see them take another pass at all these Necro changes. They can do better.

[@MrArt93ful]

Thank you so much for that video. Im just sad they killed my Infiminist child. Hoping that will be somehow compensate with new uniqes. Either way that mechanical changes killed my fav build permamently ;-;