THEY Rewrote the ENTIRE THING | Bart D. Ehrman

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[@VAATAUSILI4139]

Bible has been corrupt, not entire Bible. After the death of JESUS, some start to destroy Bible. No MELCHEZEDIC & A'ARONIC PRIESTHOOD.

[@jps101574]

Bart has said many times that his name is pronounced 'Erman' not "Airmen"

[@ayshaahmed8930]

Let's endorse Robert price to...he has the correct view morally

[@VAATAUSILI4139]

@@ayshaahmed8930 What correct view? Tell me.

[@mediatrixteologo167]

BECAUSE MY😇 WORD🙏❤, IT IS HAPPENING🙏❤, IN THIS LIFE 🙏❤😇

[@omnikevlar2338]

I remember being taught the Bible isn’t a buffet. Where you pick and choose what you want out of it. Meanwhile scribes would pick and choose how to copy a manuscript.

[@russellmiles2861]

yes, pick out text that suit your ideology; something for everyone

[@snarky4lyfe144]

the scribes were following directions and often could not read what they were writing . scribes merely copied texts .

[@russellmiles2861]

that is one view @@snarky4lyfe144 but scant evidence for that hypnosis ... we adapt and change text to this day to suit ideology. there are bibles without male pronouns for example.

[@danmurray1143]

More of an all you can eat situation. LOL. Try not to puke it back up & become an Atheist. (That might be the worst analogy I've ever tried to make).

[@davidschneide5422]

Also, the guys who owned the scribes would never have allowed any anti-slavery passages to survive.

[@charleshines2142]

The thing that I find infuriating about the whole thing is that people are bent on believing the lies and they would say that the Bible has never changed.

[@MrAuskiwi101]

Most believers dont read the bible and those that do read it dishonestly. I've heard people claim there are no contradictions! Lol Though the most frustrating one for me is those that claim bible god is 'love'. The worst character in the history of fiction is 'love'?!!? Sick minded stuff.

[@syhillahmed3824]

Carry on being infuriated , Bart has dismantled the whole Christian narrative .😂😂😂

[@MrAuskiwi101]

@syhillahmed3824 Funny enough, it does it all by itself.

[@feeltheforce10]

@@MrAuskiwi101 I agree - I see that offensive lie a lot in comments.I tell them to take a look at Ukraine or Gaza - or go to any hospital and see babies and kids seriously sick and dying.No evidence of any " love " from any " God ".

[@user-jt2cf9hx6f]

@@syhillahmed3824 hardly

[@glowheat4469]

As a Christian, I really enjoy your videos. I could listen to Bart Ehrman all day. I only wish the church would do as well.

[@pussycat2248]

I love listening to Bart. I could never understand why p eople are wedded to the doctrine of the trinity. I was 10 when after a Sunday service I asked my Presbyterian minister to please explain the trinity for me. He said "it cannot be explained, it's a mystery and you've just got to believe it".

[@debrapaulino918]

Same as my experience. But i came up with an answer. Father is spirit. Son is body. HS is soul. Like us. The soul is the union of the two so when you put jesus in your ❤ you get God's soul. Made sense and still does except now i know God is non coporeal and doesnt incarnate. So wacha go'n ta do.

[@pm4306]

just read or listen to any scholar explaining 'Shrimad Bhagavatam' the entire concept of trinity and divinity will become clear; just as islam is copy-paste from christanity; same is true with christanity---it is a copy paste of some Krishna, some Buddha and lots of vedic concepts and literature without any real-understanding of vedic concepts only superficial take.

[@adyorvanderlei4767]

The truth is stranger than fiction. Look up a diagram of the Trinity on Google It explains it pretty easy to understand.

[@lirijehoxha2335]

@@pm4306 why would you make an ignorant claim like that? If it was copy/paste, the errors of the Bible would have been included. One looks stupid when they repeat the lies/baseless claims of fools that came before.

[@dungeoneering1974]

Because the doctrine of the Trinity is clearly found in the Old and New Testament. It isn't that hard to understand. You have a mind to think, a heart to feel, and a body. Your mind is not your heart is not your body is not your mind, yet your mind, heart, and body are you. Your Presbyterian minister should know better.

[@markray5604]

Thanks Derek for hosting Bart and all your choices for interviews. This makes your program most interesting and enjoyable.

[@dylanjames8792]

Love your show! Bart is an amazing scholar! I've learned so much. Thanks for putting this content out there!

[@stevenbolin7688]

Always love hearing from Dr Bart, so direct and eye opening information.❤

[@jmike2039]

Derek, your continued passion to feed us this information from the top scholars in academia is so precious to so many of us. Thank you again so much.

[@danilodonor9735]

I admire Bart's lectures...

[@dannyhardesty3692]

Will be tied up Nov. 11th on another commitment. Hope Dr. Ehrman makes the lectures available as "on demand" streams down the road--more than happy to pay for those!

[@AarronS]

Excellent work brothers.

[@bille9995]

Thank you Professor Ehrman for liberating millions from church suppression and ecumenical rules. Their rule book was distorted and rewritten myriad ways. Your courage to come forth over the years and endeavor to enlighten those trapped by theological threats and condemnations is to be applauded. THANK YOU!

[@BeatenHorse]

Closing comments well-said. It’s important for everyone.

[@cecileroy557]

I have several of his books - they're fascinating!!! Thanks for this excellent channel!!!

[@rwatson2609]

@@daniele.3361 Well, more accurately, on average he doesn't tell the full truth. I believe that he does/did include a statement in his past books that said that no major doctrine is damaged by these variants amongst the manuscripts, which means that a man can come away with the same theology from our current bible as could a man reading the oldest bible in existence.

[@deusvult9372]

It's all about money...

[@robshrock-shirakbari1862]

Good interview. 👏🏼👏🏼

[@ardalla535]

Good questions by Derek. Good answers by Bart. Impressive. I don't usually listen to Bart, but this is worth paying attention to. Nothing he hasn't said before ... but still.

[@javieradorno2503]

Says the text written by a random ancient man...@@ring-tone278

[@lionzion1879]

​@@ring-tone278which lord would that be?

[@John-fi5ik]

@@lionzion1879 The LORD JESUS CHRIST .

[@lionzion1879]

@@John-fi5ik you mean the self prophesied messia. Got killed for blasphemy and came back as a zombie just to go And wait somewhere in the void or wherever, to come back and reclaimed the kingdom that he didn't have to begin with. Sounds like it's going to make a big impact on the illiterates.

[@piedpiper5687]

@@John-fi5ik cool story bro

[@Dr_Tripper]

Interesting enough of an interview to seek a more intellectual, docu-centric presentation. Thank you for sharing.

[@royalcreations3970]

Dr. Bart is a great start regarding these issues. I would add the fact we need to also look at the Aramaic language for deeper understanding. Example: How do we know Marcion was wrong thinking Jesus wasn't human? The Aramaic idiom "Son of Man" means "an ordinary human being." "Son of God" is an Aramaic idiom meaning "a meek peaceful person." Early Western scholars didn't know or understand Aramaic and made up their own ideas to compensate their ignorance. And they came up with dogmas and theologies to rationalize what they simply couldn't grasp. The Trinity as we're taught came about in and after 325A.D. Jesus and his followers never taught that.

[@John-fi5ik]

The SON OF MAN in the book of Daniel is described as being DIVINE.

[@royalcreations3970]

@@John-fi5ik It's still an idiom that Westerners don't comprehend.

[@royalcreations3970]

@@daniele.3361 The word in Aramaic is "bar nasha" and means "human being." Your interpretations are rooted in Western Christianity.

[@grayintheuk8021]

Excellent video Bart thanks

[@colski3333]

These teaching are so brilliant and precise. So much fun. How can I sign up for further studies ?

[@nounnoun]

The background music is my favorite OST from Skyrim; It's so relaxing and atmospheric...

[@losthwy]

No, it's annoying, I want to hear what Erhman says not this shit

[@becomingultimate6119]

Im glad to be here right now

[@Amor-Fati.]

I enjoy Barts lectures and debates. I look forward to getting this. I am a truth seeker, and although I left Christianity, I always like to know the How and Why. The past can always teach us how to handle the future

[@ranawaqasahmad3982]

Sister, the Holy Quran will answer all of your questions. Please read with an open mind and ask God to guide you

[@David-kz2im]

Chica, there are arguments against what the likes of Dr. Ehrman are presenting here. Why don’t you read the opposing side?

[@David-kz2im]

@@ranawaqasahmad3982Academics (such as Dr. Marijn van Putten, Dr. Hythem Sidky, etc.) say the same thing about the ‘Uthmanic Qur’an.

[@Amor-Fati.]

@David-kz2im okay, I will do that. By the otherside, I assume you mean Christianity? Can you reference anything I should look at? Please know, Leaving Christianity wasn't because I watched 1 episode of Bart Erhman! Lol. I would hope my faith meant more to me than that. Raised to know Jesus. Not a religious upbringing at all. I have even had an experience with Jesus. So my crisis of faith did not come easy. However, God is truth, Right? But what did it for me, was the 1st and THEEEEE most important commandment. I thought, hmm, wouldn't that be the best deceit ever by the devil( when i believed in a demon called Satan). To have every Christian fooled into worshiping a Man, and violating the absolute most important command. Today, I absolutely believe in my Creator,and I respect all of his creation, and love him thru doing so. So Bart is not to blame, ot was actually when I asked, " Why dont the Kews believe?" I learned ALOT! It was a very hard thing to do, as you could imagine. So if you have any references outside of the Bible, I am always, as I said earlier, interested in knowing more. I would actually appreciate it . Thank you

[@ranawaqasahmad3982]

@@David-kz2im What do you understand by Uthmanic Quran?

[@pbohearn]

Catholic Church kept the Bible in Latin and the Mass too to keep the people ignorant

[@MichaelB-xi1hk]

Thank you for your reasonable work that sheds light in some very ignorant places.

[@user-gr3oo5ux9x]

Keep going Bart

[@m.a.8335]

Der Kurs klingt spannend. Schade, dass er nicht allgemein zugänglich ist und nur auf englisch. Die Thematik ist brisant und aktuell, will man den christlichen Glauben ernst nehmen und nicht einfach nur vor sich hin frömmeln wie es Fromme tun. Danke euch beiden.

[@zach2980]

The music is a nice touch. It was great on the prior one as well.

[@losthwy]

It's video game music and has no place in a serious discussion.

[@michaelmontgomery-4047]

I really like this guy Bart has a great spirit. My opinion. I think he's very on point. Great work Bart

[@jeffreyphillips4182]

Wish I could take that course

[@josepha.r5839]

I've read most of his books. I'll be rereading them again. So accessible! If you can't take the course I highly recommend the book. You can get used versions for $3.30. Probably a lot less cheaper than the course.

[@Dragontron20]

0:41 I see myself as one among that group of people whose lives have been absolutely FUCKED by religion. It is not an accident that I am interested in on these topics. We are the ones who have peered into the blinding light of truth and dared not look away having been struck with its magnificence, now injured. What I wonder though is, was it worth it?

[@josepha.r5839]

@@daniele.3361 On what point/s?

[@varghesejohn817]

There's an easy method of explaining Trinity by the so-called Pentecostal Christians here i.e., scientifically quoting matter (solid, liquid and gas) forms and fooling innocents. Who will care for original writer and copyists whether Greek or Aramaic. Blind belief and faith out questions is divine here.

[@petergoodall5751]

What about the Dead Sea Scrolls ?.

[@jarilatvanen6961]

I would like to know of any serious attempts using modern AI in the studies of ancient biblical and other texts.

[@gulzarkareem794]

Truth makes true.

[@christophergonzalgo5840]

i had a question?.....where did jesus get his dress in the resurrection's account? i wonder where did he get his tobe?

[@charleshines2142]

Does Dr. Erhman have a KZbin channel or a website?

[@metametazonezone]

The irony with reading Dr Ehrman’s books (eg Lost Christianities) is that it got across that Jesus was a historical figure (I had thought he was a made-up character) & that there was something profound Jesus got across. The latter is based on the very different understanding and material from one of the 4 different early Christian groups who had a very different understanding of Jesus and his message. From this group, it seems like Jesus had a deep enlightenment experience & the realizations from it match what others who’ve had it say. Christianity would have been so radically different if this group’s understanding had been the one that was made into the official biblical canon.

[@he1ar1]

Keep spreading the true word Bart.

[@jasonpowell7622]

Bart's opinions seem so hollow. If he where honest , wouldnt he have to tell you that due to the missing pieces of not having the original copys, that his guess is as good as anybody else's?

[@rethabilefeni4694]

@@jasonpowell7622 he did say he has evidence. read his book, "Misquoting Jesus" or take his course.

[@John-fi5ik]

@@rethabilefeni4694 If you think Ehrman is right , What evidence do You present ??

[@rethabilefeni4694]

@@John-fi5ik his book and lectures. he goes in-depth in his lectures. do you want links?

[@John-fi5ik]

@@rethabilefeni4694 No , I want to know why YOU think he's right . Can you tell us why ??

[@yeshuadaking8705]

Derek stop giggling in the background 😂😂😂

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

Fake laughter

[@allanwilliams2079]

@MythVisionPodcast @11:50 Is Dr Ehrman saying that it is human to sweat blood??

[@reinotsurugi]

The trinity verse in the KJV, is it possible it was added by the Domitian cult or was it much later?

[@suetrublu]

Could Bart please specify the one verse in the gospel that specifically claim the doctrine of the Trinity? I enjoy his scholarship and think it is so important. I don't believe in the inerrancy of Scripture. However, I do believe in the person of Jesus Christ and that He came from God to teach us a new Way to live. It has changed the entire course of my life. So it saddens me that so much delving into all the inconsistencies seems to have so completely destroyed Bart's faith, as it has for so many academics. I pray for him a lot that he will eventually find his way back to God somehow. Shalom.

[@DoloresLehmann]

He means 1 John 5 : 7-8 "7For there are three that beare record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.] 8[And there are three that beare witnesse in earth], the Spirit, and the Water, and the Blood, and these three agree in one." - King James Version (1611)

[@peterroche2727]

@suetrublu - Discrepancies are not what caused Bart to stop being a Christian.

[@Junkinsally]

There was never an actual man named “Jesus”. He represents the attempts from intellectuals of the time to explain how the universe works. To explain that “God” is not the man of Old Testament but a force that creates and gives life to, at the direction of, those who inhabit it. Unfortunately it’s become a farce with poor translations and the “reimagining” of it.

[@benjamintrevino325]

There's more in the New Testament from Paul than there is from Jesus. And it still makes no sense to me why Jesus and God would only reveal themselves to one part of the world and in one window of time.

[@horizons2358]

.......and that dude never actually knew him, right? Amazing!

[@doktortutankamazon31]

I never hear much about The Didache . I remember encountering it in late 70's Catholicism. I rarely hear it referenced in early Christian podcasts or lectures.

[@paladinhansen137]

The “ Trinitarian formula” so-to-speak can be easily found as far as in Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew.

[@Junkinsally]

That’s not true at all.

[@paladinhansen137]

@@Junkinsally it is very true indeed. I can showcase multiple examples of the Trinitarian formula in Genesis 1:1 already.

[@WMedl]

Please elaborate it!

[@pamelawinson3192]

Does anyone know what the 12th bible is??

[@lh7550]

Yes, the Trinitarian concept is seen in the Johanine comma... But also in the "Baptismal formula" in Matthew 28:19-20

[@VulcanLogic]

Well, no. While Matthew 28:19-20 mentions the three, it does not in any way describe them as having a triune nature. There's a difference, and Christian sects as early as Arius subordinated the son to the father and never believed in the concept of the trinity even with this passage at hand.

[@John-fi5ik]

@@VulcanLogic The THREE all share the same NAME They all share the same GLORY .

[@VulcanLogic]

@@John-fi5ik That's what you believe, and it's what you believe when you see the three names. But If you'd never heard of Jesus, and you picked up the Bible and read the passage, the text in no way instructs you on the nature of the trinity. It just lists the father son and holy spirit. And some denominations do not believe in the trinity even to this day, subordinating the son and the spirit to the father.

[@John-fi5ik]

@@VulcanLogic Here is the passage in Scripture - And now , FATHER, glorify ME together with YOURSELF, with the GLORY which I had with YOU before the world was . I have manifested your NAME to the men You have given ME out of the world . They were YOURS and YOU gave them to ME ! JOHN. 17 . 5 , 6 .

[@VulcanLogic]

@@John-fi5ik That's still not a trinity. I don't even see the holy spirit in that verse, let alone how the three are one, co-equal, triune God. Why wouldn't it be plausible that Jesus existed separately in that verse? You're again reading something into the text that isn't there.

[@judylandry302]

Would you discuss St. Jerome and what he did to the New Testament?

[@shanegooding4839]

My favourite thing about Jerome is how he visited Bethlehem, discovered that it was a cult site for Tammuz and insisted that it had been taken over from Jesus's birthplace even though the opposite was blatantly true.😂

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@shanegooding4839that's hilarious. I'll have to look into this more.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@daniele.3361 yeah I'm totally going to trust you random Christian on the subject.

[@aquariusrising144]

[3:22]: Respectfully, Bart is incorrect regarding the Quran. There are 93,623 provable differences between the Hafs Quran & the other 29 versions. Furthermore, there are over 5,000 differences between the Hafs Quran & the Warsh Quran. This effectively highlights a more fundamental problem, in that it serves as irrefutable proof that the Quran has not been perfectly preserved.

[@blake4590]

Think Jay Smith or Al Fadi said that

[@Rogue-nc3pl]

He is not a quaran scholar.

[@pm4306]

forget about preservation; what will you get even if you try to preserve excreta.

[@aiya5777]

who are you again?

[@nourmlh4726]

Although I agree that the Quran is modified, even more than that, it's been collected/written years after the death of Mohamed, the difference between Hafs, Warsh, Qaloon, and other "Riwayat" is a matter of pronunciation that is easily justified by the difference of Arabic dialects, so I don't see it as a convincing argument.

[@paulmicelli5819]

Depends on which version of the Bible you read.

[@CarmenRizzo-pn1uw]

Read Edgar Cayce

[@billbrenne5475]

Has anyone considered how "Caesar's Messiah" (Joseph Atwill) would dovetail nicely here?

[@patriciodoig7962]

WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE TRUE MESSAGE O ANCIENT TESTAMENTE AND NEW TESTAMENT CAN YOU RECOMEND WHAT TO RE READ ABOUT THIS BOOKS ????? ONLY FOR COMPARE OUR BELIEVE ????

[@ftg3183]

I'd like to see Derek and Testify Debate each other

[@liteenergy4843]

It seems that the only way that a person can retain their faith in any shape or form, is to tune into the living spirit of Christ and or God, directly. Without any intermediary book or religious group or hierarchy. One needs to know and experience their Spirit and Light and just take things from there.

[@fogsmart]

Obviously anyone with half a brain realizes there’s no way we can know what the exact words were when we don’t have the autographs. And, given the importance we attach to epistemology if indeed the autographs were eye witness accounts, there’s an impasse. However much of evangelical academia belief we have something approaching a reasonable revelation. What isn’t mentioned enough is that the preponderance given to inerrancy are simply based on a theological belief that God inspired all scripture and oversaw its correct continuation. While I’ve stepped back from that belief myself, it’s unfortunate that much of Christianity fails to admit this dichotomy.

[@fogsmart]

@@daniele.3361 he may not be 100% all the time but as truth is subjective, well, I’m sure he is seen as inaccurate generally by many. Thank god for scholarship.

[@Travisharger]

Bart!

[@yeshuadaking8705]

@MythVisionPodcast - I’m confused I thought Bart Ehrman said “if we had the original it would basically look the same”? Am I mistaken? I mean this doesn’t take away from what he’s pointing out but it would suggest the Gospels have been preserved fairly well.

[@whiskeredtuna]

@yeshuadaking8705, Bart is very good at saying a bunch of nothing and making it sound good. After writing his book “misquoting Jesus” he acknowledged that Christian theology wasn’t hurt by the variants.

[@christyadams9235]

Because people have made acceptable what they want to be acceptable so it's accepted by whoever is looking for it to say what they want.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@whiskeredtunakeep crying into the void. Bart is very good at explaining what he means which is why apologists can't point to specific things Bart had said that back them up because of they did point to specific paragraphs or time stamps then the lie of the apologist would be shown.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@christyadams9235yeah Bart is very clear about this point. The Bible is clearly not true and is full of errors but that doesn't matter because the people who believe in it don't care.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Bart Ehrman: "We didn't have the originals we have copies of copies of copies! And Orthodox scribes made a lot of changes! For example, to Marcion's Luke. Also Bart Ehrman: "If we had the originals they would basically look the same."

[@calvinmasters6159]

Lost plausibility at 1:40

[@michaelmcgee8543]

Yes!

[@John-fi5ik]

NO !! 😂🤣

[@Bluehealer123]

Everything seems garbled but somehow makes sense.

[@tishbite606]

How does he know what was altered if he doesn't know what the original is?

[@rocketmoonshine9205]

Hmmm...now you got me thinking.

[@jimmysnyder1]

Different authors have different styles of writing and scholars familiar with the language can detect these stylistic differences.

[@ayshaahmed8930]

Bring back Robert price!!!

[@blairmcian]

Dr. Ehrman is great. One peculiarity that appears here again is that he likes to say "I personally think that. . .." I don't understand the "personally" qualifier.

[@Arven8]

It's a way of emphasizing that it is his opinion, rather than something he can back up with specific textual evidence. Speech (as opposed to writing) will often have those sorts of apparent redundancies. I hear people say it a lot ("Personally, I think...").

[@blairmcian]

@@Arven8 , you're right, it's common in speech. But aside from whether writing should mimic the informality of common speech, given that Dr. Ehrman is a distinguished scholar on the subject, I doubt that his opinions aren't based on good evidence even if it isn't as strong as he would like or isn't the scholarly consensus. However that may be, "Personally" is surplusage. Why not just say "I think. . ."?

[@Arven8]

@@blairmcian Some of his opinions are based on lots of scholarly evidence, and some are not. He's using the phrase to tell you which is which.

[@blairmcian]

@@Arven8 , do you know that to be true or just assuming that must be it? Has Bart ever said that that's the case?

[@Arven8]

@@blairmcian Are you pulling my leg? This is a very common expression and intuitively understood by native English speakers - at least where I am (US). I'm a little baffled you're confused by why he's using it.

[@paladinhansen137]

The Torah and Gospel are mathematically perfect and synchronize perfectly with each other.

[@danny-ky4cr]

From what I understand King Josiah in the 6bce did change the tora a lot and edited and redacted is that true?

[@xaayer]

The Deuteronomy camp initially wrote and redacted to paint Josiah favorably. Then Josy died and they went through a bit and tried to account for it. And then came exiles

[@m.dorado6966]

How much did politics play into the re-copying and re-writing the scriptures and letters?

[@Bluehealer123]

@jarige2 Just wondered if you find when you read the Bible that it's like supernatural the way verses stick in your mind when your discerning certain things that have happened in the near past and are happening right now.And do you believe that Revelation is playing out as we speak?

[@CurtW1962]

It is amazing how people justify beliefs that are questionable at best. Fear of death is the driving factor of religious beliefs; especially the Abrahamic religions. There is no doubt in my mind that the Gospel of Thomas is the Q Source for the Canonical Gospels. And, unlike those gospels, the Gospel of Thomas actually claimed to be written by Thomas.

[@Magic-lg9lw]

Not sure if one can say that Torah or Quran was not altered.

[@josephprice4095]

they definitely 100% proven have been. Every ancient text has been modified. It's just natural. Unless we have the actual, original parchment, we will never know its accuracy. Even the writings of Plato, Socrates, Homer, Shakespeare have all been changed from the originals.

[@MohamedAhmed-eg3mh]

The Birmingham manuscripts matches the Quran 100 percent and it's dated to the time of the prophet or at least the Rashidun caliphs

[@MohamedAhmed-eg3mh]

You can't find that in any other holy book, every single letter is the same

[@CarmenRizzo-pn1uw]

Q sayings

[@kimsteinke713]

Thank you gentleman working on all this so hard I appreciate this I'm a gay grandma and I've been working where I can work hey 🍺 Bart. I forgot the question I was going to ask I'll come back later I love you guys Thank you for your work 🙏😇🍺

[@pastorwilliamhay1687]

Rule of Thumb--you can't build a doctrine on 1 verse or witness.

[@John-fi5ik]

Many , many , many verses are given by the writers of New Testament

[@pastorwilliamhay1687]

@@John-fi5ik hi John. That is not what the rule means. One cannot build or teach something that is only based on 1 verse. The Law states there must be at least 2 witnesses to collaborate something to be true in interpreting the scriptures. Exp. The name Lucifer is not Satan. Why? Because it is only mentioned once in one verse in one version of one Bible. Therefore Lucifer has nothing at all to do with Satan.

[@John-fi5ik]

@@pastorwilliamhay1687 Compare 1 John 5.7. with Matthew 28 . 19 , 20 . There is your two witness rule . Two different Gospels but Only One Doctrine ! And yet Ehrman says only one verse Proves the Triunity of GOD .

[@pastorwilliamhay1687]

​@@John-fi5ik All scholars know 1 Jn 5:7 was a corrupt verse added by King James monks.

[@John-fi5ik]

@@pastorwilliamhay1687 The early Church Fathers allude to it CYPRIAN , TERTULLIAN , ORIGEN ATHANASIUS , AUGUSTINE, JEROME No wonder that ERASMUS included it when he did his translation !

[@danilodonor9735]

The Koran scholars discovered variants too, even the Torah / Tanakh have variants too.

[@Plopiccolo]

They did change the Torah. That is why the difference between the Masoretic text not matching with the Septuagint and the dead sea scrolls.

[@rwatson2609]

You're on a different topic, Bart is a New Testament scholar

[@rwatson2609]

@daniele.3361 Tell me what you know. I only know of him through a debate that i watched between him and Daniel Wallace about a year or two ago. I'm aware that he is an agnostic or something along that line.

[@BrettChila1928]

Interesting points. But i saw no evidence. He also admitted all known manuscripts for Luke included chpts 1 and 2. I havent read his books or watched extensively his teachings, but this excerpt alone doesnt really prove anything. Especially considering the title of this video.

[@kingc.o.d3491]

are you just speculating? Gnosticism was rejected as a corruption of scripture by the early church, the original texts were then in use spread mostly by word of or preaching, is the gospel then changed?

[@robinharwood5044]

The Gnostics rejected the “early church “ as a corruption of the message of Jesus.

[@DevonPhoenix]

Rewrote what?

[@SmallGuyonTop]

3:30 Not true! They changed the Torah circa 900 AD with the MT on purpose.

[@EddieSchultz62]

Hello Derek. I mentioned to you before that people like you and any other podcasts on this topic, (even if they BELIEVE in a god) should make it clear that a belief in a god is based on faith and not fact. I say this again after watching the latest videos on the new Speaker of the House. He's a hard-core believer that the bible must be taken literally. People have the right to believe what they want, but need to be reminded that their belief is not backed by evidence. Most people in Government office are Christians, so it would help to bring them down to reality. Let me know your thoughts. Thank you for what you do, but let's take it to the next level.

[@ardalla535]

Members of Congress are also lawyers. Therein lies the major problem we face. Lawyers have zero interest in getting at the truth. Their function is to argue and dissemble.

[@rethabilefeni4694]

i can't speak for other people but for Muslim we don't believe for the sake of believing. i was a Christian who believed in the Bible and Christianity til i found some loophole and contradictions in it. Islam provided me with evidence for the existence of God and i'm currently reading Ibn Sina's "Essence and Existence" and it is very compelling i have to say.

[@EddieSchultz62]

@rethabilefeni4694 Might I suggest that you speak to an ex Muslim and see why they left religion altogether? Many from both sides are realizing that it's All man-made, gods included.

[@rethabilefeni4694]

@@EddieSchultz62 and??? my G, you could be an ex Imam and i would still believe in God and Isla, as an ex-Muslim, i do believe that you know ibn Sina, am i right?

[@EddieSchultz62]

@rethabilefeni4694 I'm not an ex Muslim, I just suggested you speak to one and ask them why they left Islam. As I mentioned earlier, I don't care what a person believes.They just need to understand that their belief is based on faith and not fact based evidence. Get it?

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

If they were going to alter them anyway, why not fix all the contradictions?

[@SaintFort]

LMAO.

[@markeadiesahd752]

Did you know that the real reason that God was angry with Eve was because she had cheated on Adam and had an affair with another man. The bible doesn’t mention his name, but soon after, he became the father of the woman who became Cain’s wife. He was younger than Adam, of course, but he was a contemporary of Eve. It is possible that the affair resulted in the birth of Cain, which would have added to God’s anger. It would mean that Cain unknowingly married his own sister. The bible has many secrets. Stranger things have happened since then and are still happening.

[@grapeshot]

So Mark's Jebus is very human whereas John's Jebus is God.

[@xaayer]

Super jeebus

[@sos1691]

@@xaayer All hail caesar's messiah!

[@rainbowkrampus]

I'd say Mark's Jesus is more like the first appearance of a super hero. They don't have much if any background. Their characterization is one dimensional. It's mostly a lot of "Wouldn't it be cool if...?" that got compiled into a loose narrative. The others are the later elaborations of the character. Suddenly Jesus has a home planet... I mean town, a home town. He talks a whole lot more. His villains get more fleshed out. Then John represents the 3rd generation of writers. The ones who grew up with the hero and all their subsequent backstory. So, with all the plot relevant details already made up and the characterization firmly nailed down, the areas the new writers have available to fill in are all the fantastical elements. Where before, Jesus could leap tall buildings in a single bound. Now he can chuck a planet at a titanic space monster. It's power creep brought on by the ever present desire to see your favorite super hero overcome ever increasing challenges.

[@laurasilverstone9735]

He was both, just each author wrote of a specific point of view

[@danmurray1143]

@sos1691 Caesar's Messiah was possibly the single most interesting KZbin video I have ever watched. I started off laughing at its absurdity. By the end I was like "well I'll be damned." LOL

[@lvstofly]

As soon as a text is translated into a different language its changed.

[@jimford1256]

Hello, this is for Bart. You mentioned that the Torah wasn't changed by scribes. Well that isn't actual true. The miss translation of key names in the original ancient texts are numerus. i.e. ruah into spirit, Eliohim into capital G God. There are many more of these that started to appear in around 600 - 500 BCE. and a major arear of miss translation happen around 500 - 900 AD by the Mesorite people. Both of these times of miss translation where to bring about a monotheistic belief against the world wide knowledge and understanding of the Eliohim, the powerful ones. Eliohim is a plural form not a singular form. However when referring to a particular Eliohim it can be written as singular. This miss translation is how we have on purpose, by the early Christians. developed the belief in a one God system. These miss translations are thru out the entirety of the every day Bibles that are for the common man.

[@Muslimmanreader]

WHOA, there’s no point calling them Frank, Joe, Bobby, and John

[@josepha.r5839]

3:22 "and you know they didn’t change the Quran .. they didn’t change the Torah”. Do we? Are we .. can we be certain? I've read various books which state that the Quran was 'written down' from the scraps of 'recollections' of those who heard what Muhammad had stated as 'revelation' or by those who had heard as second, third recollection and were finally codified about 40 after Muhammad's death during the reign of Uttman. Those recollections could have easily 'evolved' during that time. In the final end, we really don't 'know' .. as is probably same for the Torah.

[@douglasgrant8315]

Better without the music Derrick

[@conradbulos6164]

The video being shown with a hand writing should be on a new papyrus not on an old, torn, cracked papyrus! Gotcha!

[@vadim666er]

Dr. Bart D. Ehrman is my Jebus!

[@JaysonT1]

Jeebus?

[@vtino4825]

People who have meditated deeply for decades, within a certain tradition that deals with death, they don't fear death anymore. there are historical examples such as the Cathars, a Gnostic group in France that was persecuted and slaughtered by the Roman Catholic church - their leaders when burned on the stake, did not cry or scream in pain. they died peacefully

[@busterbiloxi3833]

Do you have a point?

[@jameswright...]

I doubt the kept quite while being burned alive etc. But so what if they did? What's that prove?

[@janeslater8004]

How do we know they didnt scream being burnt alive.

[@ParadiseLordRyu]

I’m pretty sure not fearing death doesn’t stop someone from expressing traumatic pain

[@user-ug2hk3go6i]

They both have so few books.

[@Finis.Terrae]

This should be taught in schools. Especially 1:00 to 1:28 People need to learn the truth.

[@timothygibney159]

Fundies would loose their minds

[@roboticintertainment]

This would be considered a form of schizophrenia if someone claimed to be hearing voices tell them to build a boat and gather animals under a drunk influence but because you say his alcoholism wasn't an issue it seems convenient to use an idiom about the ongoing incest that was a thing back then. God chose Noah but God didn't see this coming? Or intervene? But instead, he needed Noah to gather animals so he could kill humans in return to express his anger? The more I listen to things regarding the more toxic behavior I see between God who can't do much without mortal help and he uses manipulation and physical abuse and doesn't even help those in need. This is not normal in real life and it shouldn't be taken literally.

[@SHREKfiona1234]

Most biblical scholars will agree that there are many mistakes in the Bible. We just have to do the best with what we have. We are looking for perfection from man, which is almost impossible.

[@Amor-Fati.]

I'm not sure if you are a believer. If anyone says they believe and hold such an opinion, I ask then Why believe. I am just curious,how one could put their salvation into a belief inspired by a God that makes mistakes? Or knowingly worship the words of men. Truly I am just curious? Ty

[@EddieSchultz62]

​@@Amor-Fati. I agree. Please read my post that I just made, and tell me if you agree. Thank you!

[@SHREKfiona1234]

@ChicasCoffee I'm not a believer, I'm a knower because of what I've seen. You can't unknow things you've seen. Jesus doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

[@EddieSchultz62]

@@SHREKfiona1234 No matter what you've seen, is not evidence that a God exists. God beliefs are faith-based, not fact and evidence-based.

[@SHREKfiona1234]

@EddieSchultz62 so seeing is not believing, that contradicts facts right there.. You know how Father works but don't believe in him? He has revealed himself as well as his messengers all throughout time. So you're saying if you saw an angel appear in your room and talk with you, since he didn't leave a video or physical evidence, he must not exist. BTW I believe he's very correct on how much they rewrote the Bible to benefit themselves, because if you control the people and their money, you have all the power. They were illiterate and uneducated back then and went off of feelings and not logic. They didn't know any better, then the catholic church got so powerful that greed, lust, power etc was too much to stop

[@Tonibolognaaintnophony]

Pastors & Leaders need to hear this & be forewarned; the truth is coming out, the veil is being shed. Mental health is on the rise so don't be a part of the problem, be part of the solution being informed. It's no fun going the process. Prayer is all we have left. Thank God

[@mcawesomeytyo3312]

Does this mean Hell isn’t real?

[@ardalla535]

It's unfortunate we get regular updates from Bart Ehrman but nothing from Robert Price. Nothing to be done though; it is what it is.

[@John-fi5ik]

Robert Price is even worse , If that's even possible !

[@danilodonor9735]

Robert Price..is canceled by vloggers because of his politicaly incorrect views ... Maybe it's better uf Price will have his own KZbin channel. I don't agree with all Bob Price is saying,I'm.not a fan.but I respect all opinions even contrary to my beliefs.

[@davidkennerly]

Derek, you could save yourself a lot of trouble by killing the stock footage. It doesn't add anything and looks dumb. Sorry!

[@davidkennerly]

AND, it's terribly distracting.

[@franklingrippe8400]

flavius josephus. emphasis on the first name. enough said. but that apparently isnt “scholarly”.