Thief Series Retrospective - The Rageaholic

[@Artemicion]

"Garrett survives a failed attempt on his life, only to tail the criminals back to their employer's castle, at which point he delivers a very pointed message by literally swiping the coinpurse from a crimelord's belt." That is awesome. I must now get this game just to experience this sequence.

[@elgatochurro]

Even better... have you ever fed his unconscious body to his pets?

[@sabatheus]

It's RARE that I find a devout Thief fanatic as rabid as myself. Respect...and subscribed.

[@jenslaughingfox9869]

There's more of us than you might think my friend)

[@jasonfenton8250]

"devout Thief fanatic" Doesn't like the undead I kid of course. Of course.

[@AegixDrakan]

Finally got around to installing Thief 3 the other day and I gotta way, there's one thing about it that impresses the hell out of me. The fact you can SEE garret's body if you look down, the fact it actually casts a shadow, the fact that even though it's there, it's not in your face there, but just subtly off to the side of your vision. It's great.

[@tonyc.0451]

You mean "Deadly Shadows?" I'm glad that there are those who like the third game in the series. "Deadly Shadows" still looks good even by today's standards and it was a decent sequel to the first two thanks to a good story. Being able to explore the City between missions was an added bonus for fans. I could go on, taffer.

[@tonyc.0451]

Mhroczyn Sure wish that I could play the game myself.

[@GepardenK]

Tony Chang Deadly Shadows is great and I think most Thief fans think that by now. It's a mess though and have some rough edges in presentation and gameplay compared to the original games which were very clean and focused. But underneath all that there is a true gem of a game with a strong Thief spirit and even some cool improvements on the originals. Playing it with the "no loading zones" mod is a blast :D

[@tonyc.0451]

GepardenK I'll have to see that mod for myself.

[@gatomaru]

thief 3? hmmmm no such game was ever made, i don't know what u are talking about

[@BatesKrisbates]

"Life of the Party" and "Robbing the Cradle" are hands down, two of the greatest video game levels ever conceived by humankind.

[@MDUmairKh]

For me both Thief 1 and 2 are 10/10. Deadly Shadows had a potential of reaching that score too but it suffered from lack of polish and half baked features. Overall still a great game and a great final entry in the main story. 8.5/10.

[@dustinbrilliant2113]

10 Years later, your content is still friggin awesome!

[@aloptuleamagnificanton4983]

the thief trilogy is just a masterpiece

[@hayatokazehaya6686]

Thief Trilogy is a masterpiece trilogy. The 3 best PC Gaming experiences anybody will be jazzled just by sheer amount of Epicness the 3 games provide.

[@samuellacey5166]

"Looking Glass's Flight Unlimited Series was both a commercial and critical success within the flight sim genre. Which at the time was still more lucrative than *France's white flag industry.*" Aaaaand subscribed.

[@darkentity1000]

I actually prefer thief 1 to thief 2. Like you said, the story is better, but I also really love the tomb raiding aspect, something that was lost in thief 2. The undead really create a sense of dread that most straight up horror games couldn't even come close to. Down in the bone hoard is one of the best examples of this, the feeling i got from delving deep within a haunted tomb is unmatched. The haunted cathedral is another memorable one, being one of the scariest missions of any game. And of coarse we can't forget Cragscleft prison. The way it opens with an eerie hammerite excerpt, followed by garrett's briefing of the mission, while hinting at the possibility that the place might be haunted. You're then dropped in and find the pace to be infested with the undead, it's shocking and unexpected to all of a sudden find undead in this medieval stealth game, not to mention they appear in only the second mission of the game. But back to the idea of tomb raiding, the underground city was another great mission. There's not a lot of enemies to avoid or fight, but it gives you the sense of being completely lost in an ancient place, where everything is alien and nothing works the way it would in a normal mission. That level is quite the experience. So when you say that you like Thief 2 more because it's more of a true stealth game, I get that. But I can't help but feel that Thief 2 lost a lot of what made Thief 1 special. I absolutely love both the games, but Thief 1 will always fascinate me more.

[@dragdragon23]

Thief gold is where's it at for me.

[@sinfulhealer2110]

This is what I wanted of a retrospective - much appreciated

[@therabidscorpion]

Just wanted to say I bought the Thief series on sale for $2 and some change last night on gog. Thanks for turning me onto this great series!

[@Boccaccio1811]

Personally i liked Thief 1 a little better than Thief 2... they're both great games but I liked the undead much more than all the robots and security cameras in the Metal Age But having said that, I really liked venturing around the city in thief 2, something you didn't really get to do in the first one

[@justus4justice]

+Boccaccio1811 Same here. While Thief2 is the better game from a technical standpoint (tightened gameplay, better graphics, more cohesive as a whole), Thief 1 stands to this day as my favorite game Of All Time. For all the annoyance of zombies and monsters, I still distinct remember my bowels running for the nearest exit the first time I opened the door to main chamber in Return to the Cathedral. Lord Bafford's manor was released as the demo for the game and I spent more time playing that demo than I have any number of full fledged games. Thief 1: Not perfect, but still very much a masterpiece. My personal ratings for each game: Thief: The Dark Project - ★★★★★ Thief II: The Metal Age - ★★★★½ Thief: Deadly Shadows - ★★★ Thief - ★½

[@Boccaccio1811]

Yeah, as much as I love the first 2 Thief games (also my 2 favorite games of all time, still play them to this day) I never actually got around to playing the 3rd one... maybe it was because of the mixed reviews but I just sort of forgot about it... you think it's worth playing tho?

[@Sigmundfruit]

+justus4justice I feel embarrassed asking but: where's the exit on the first level?

[@justus4justice]

Robert Pysh I don't remember the exact location, but near one of the connecting rooms (one of the large hallways that has like half a dozen doors leading to it) there's a switch on the wall that opens a metal gate. Leave through it and the mission will clear. Sorry I can't be more specific, it's been awhile since my last playthrough.

[@Sigmundfruit]

justus4justice k. Got it. I know the gate, I just didn't realize haven't collected enough

[@ZylonBane]

It's puzzling and more than a little annoying how often Thief 1 gets ragged on for not fitting neatly into someone's preconceived notions of how it should have been designed. Look people, the title of the game is not "Stealth". It is also not "Burglar". It's Thief, and as anyone with even a passing familiarity with Looking Glass's body of work should pick up on (hello, Ultima Underworld series), the title clearly refers to the Dungeons & Dragons flavor of thief. Which is to say, the sort of character who not only robs mansions, but also dungeon crawls, fights monsters, and butts heads with mad gods-- in short everything Razorfist dismisses as schizophrenic design is pretty much par for the course in any tabletop campaign. How he missed this connection is beyond me. Perhaps too much rageahol.

[@GepardenK]

ZylonBane Yeah agreed, it was clearly by design and not lack of confidence. T2 has some really great missions but it lost something from trying to conform to player feedback and the zombie-hate. To be fair I think the zombie-hate T1 gets is largely because of poor pacing early in the campaign. By the end of the 3rd mission, which is the "warming up" period for a new player, half the content has been zombies and 2/3 has been claustrophobic dungeon-crawling. A open-ended Bafford like mission between Cragscleft and Bonehoard would alleviate much of the bad impressions new players get for the supernatural I think. I'm saying this as a massive fan of Bonehoard btw

[@TheRageaholic]

+GepardenK That's not what the developers said on the Looking Glass Podcast series. Project Lead Tim Stellmach - as well as Randy Smith, if I'm not mistaken - outright admitted they 'didn't even really know what the game _was_ until a few months away from wrap'. So, clearly, the discovery process played a large part in the contrariwise design of those early levels.

[@GepardenK]

***** Yes they changed focus when they found out that their stealth and AI system was much more interesting than their sword-fighting system, but this does not change the fact that they wanted to do a dark fantasy game. You can even see the same sort of thinking even in Thief 2 where they wanted to focus on dark steampunk instead. Sadly T2 was made in a really short time due to budget problems, so the latter half of the game have you face off against the same four enemy types (Mechanist maceman and crossbow-woman + Small and large Metalbeast) over and over again. .

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

+GepardenK I agree, at least Thief Gold didn't have you facing the same fucking enemies over and over and over again. The supernatural themes were a nice introduction to keep it fresh. I honestly got bored of Thief 2 by the end of it. Still an amazing game though

[@andree1991]

+ZylonBane It's fucking called Thief, what else should the game have been about?

[@Marrikable]

i absolutely loved "Down in the Bonehoard" in the dark project

[@GepardenK]

Marrikable Yeah me too, and Haunted Cathedral + Return. I actually found many missions in T2 to be a bit sterile and flat compared to T1 (still super atmospheric compared to most games though).

[@GepardenK]

To give T2 some credit, I really enjoy Framed. A very intense and atmospheric mission with some City-watch story drama added for good measure. In many ways a harder Bafford's Manor

[@Marrikable]

***** Because your taste is shit, "Down in the Bonehoard" was awesome. Your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad for having it.

[@Marrikable]

***** Aww cmon, you didn't even like the way you could go way faster than the devs intended by bunnyhopping? That was cool, it let you jump across gaps you weren't supposed to clear and take unintended path.

[@Marrikable]

***** cathartic*

[@constantin5509]

Just started Thief II: The Metal Age, after having completed Thief the Dark Project three times. I'm currently at the Eavesdropping mission and I gotta say, you were right that this game improves upon the sequel in every conceivable way. It really makes The Dark Project feel more like a prototype(still an exceptional game, with deeper atmosphere). I'm taking my time with this bad boy cuz I love the slow unveiling of the story and the atmosphere in every level. With graphic mods these games feel so timeless.

[@Souledge5]

"What should've been done with a scalpel, had to be done with a jackhammer" Pretty much a great description of what's wrong with the industry in it's entirity

[@Maehedrose]

"Deadly Shadows" was my favorite game in the trilogy, honestly. The mechanics changes and interface upgrades alone made the game better, but it also has the best horror level in all of gaming, forever. I really enjoyed the story and the atmosphere of the game and the cutscenes are still the first that come to my mind when I think of great use of cutscenes in a game. I liked all three, but the last one was the best, in my mind.

[@jackdaone6469]

I continue to enjoy that you also love Tenchu, Razor. I’ve played Stealth Assassins, Return from Darkness, and Z and love all three. Stealth Assassins remains one of my favorite game soundtracks ever.

[@mattmarkowitz8894]

I felt seriously accomplished when I finished it. I found myself mumbling "Fuck Fuck...phew...oh shit he came back!" hard as hell, tense, and with accurate sound that really helped the immersion element. So glad this wasn't a pretentious 3 hours of gameplay like metal shit solids

[@georgedincu1776]

First time on this channel, great humor dude just subscribed

[@jdturner1106]

You forgot to mention how great the AI is on Deadly Shadows. People in that game seem as if they are actually an individual. Different from others. They have different lines they say than other people. The AI on Deadly Shadows is Incredible even for this time.

[@TerranGell]

I love that people think what Razörfist does is some kind of "act". He isn't outspoken or controversial just to get hits on his videos. Trust me, he is like this 24/7.

[@Zelousmarineinspace]

Terran Gell Funny how this went over so many people's heads back then. Bet this wouldn't be overlooked if you said this today. Also: Godspeed for your hours of hard work and editing!

[@jackdaone6469]

I agree, Tenchu: Stealth Assassins was an excellent game. It also had a beautiful soundtrack that I still love listening to, to this day. Tenchu Z was a cool game, at least in concept. So much I wasn't a huge fan of, though.

[@encellon]

Awesome commentary - Bravo! Thief is a story -- not an action sequence -- and I can only hope that the writers had more good sense than those who chose the voice actors. The new Garrett voice actor has a HUGE problem - he tries to mimic Stephen Russell’s original version of Garrett rather than inhabit the character of Garrett. I’ve directed and played many Thief fan missions where Garrett's voice is portrayed by someone other than Stephen Russell, and it works well when the actor keeps Garrett’s character in mind and skips the mimicry. Even if someone has never played Thief 1-3, the voice of Garrett in Thief "4" is will sound breathless and forced because the actor dreadfully fails to inhabit any sense of a real person. Clearly this actor was chosen for primary reasons other than voice-acting skill, and as much as this sounds like an artistic decision, it has all the earmarks of a bad top-down business decision. Supposedly the producers went with this actor so that voice-acting could be done along with acrobatic motion-acting at the same time. At best, this is a personal preference, yet in reality this duel-mode game acting concept is nearly total rubbish. Expecting an actor to produce his best voice work and best motion-capture work at the same time ensures mediocrity since rarely are both “best” performances produced in the same take. In fact, even with basic sound-editing tools a junior-level sound person could match the best motions to the best voice-acting. Furthermore, at least 90% of game-voicing is produced for drop-in comments - not voicing-acting during action sequences. So an insistence on casting acrobats to portray the subtlety and range of your primary characters is silly because it rules out the very best voice actors that are available. -frobber, producer/director - A Keeper of the Prophecies

[@Minipolce]

I love watching you rage at stuff. But I also really enjoy hearing your opinions on good game design. You've inspired me to play the series :)

[@williamumbranox7217]

I have been waiting for this video for years. Finally, someone who loves the series and admits that deadly shadows was fun.

[@Shark7532]

The haunted cathedral from dark project for me is the best moment in the entire series. The atmosphere in that place is unsurpassed by anything else. Metal age has superior level design to be sure, but I still prefer the first game just for that mission.

[@dragdragon23]

I been watching a young lady named lilly and she has a blind play of thief gold from last year and she finally said what I been waiting for her to say; I love this game! after all these years, thief is still wining fans over!

[@doger235]

Even the tomb raiding levels are amazing.

[@Hoplessromantick]

I speak for everyone on earth when I say we've been waiting for this video for a long time.

[@Thehotdogman]

Great retrospective! I'm getting through Thief Gold right now, because for whatever reason the 'The Eye' mission scared me as a kid, and now i'm playing the whole series for real.

[@jonea16]

Been waiting for this retrospective for a while now. Can't believe it's finally here.

[@fox8945]

2 > 1 > 3, but they're all so goddamn great that it hardly matters.

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

the thief trilogy is STILL yet to be matched by anything made today (2017)

[@maidenjapan66]

I love the work you do on editing the videos :D

[@RATPT0I]

Just finished Thief Gold (played it ages ago, but never finished it). It definitely felt like a tomb raider game at times, but the story was great. And that one trickster cutscene caught me completely off guard. Gonna start the 2nd game soon.

[@jarydschneider3411]

Currently i'm playing through Thief II: The Metal Age on my PC, however due to a friends suggestion, I played Dark Shadows on the original Xbox back in 2009. Oh if only I could recount the countless hours to you that I spent perusing The City in wonderment. I had never experienced stealth, fantasy, and story telling quite like it. I've been hard as a diamond in an ice storm waiting for news on Thief 4 ever since. Thief opened up the worlds of Deus Ex and Dishonored to me as well. Great video man

[@TerranGell]

It's the first few seconds of "The Beginning is the End is the Beginning" by The Smashing Pumpkins.

[@varanid9]

Thief is my favorite game series as well and I concur 100% with Rageaholic's assessment.

[@AegixDrakan]

This retrospective made me dig out my CD copy of the Thief collection and install Thief 2 last night. I'm now framing that lieutenant, and so far, the game is GLORIOUS. A million times better than the first game (which made me give up due to the sheer volume of monsters I had to fight, not to mention how annoying the Thieves Guild mission was). Thank you Razorfist. :D

[@Thepnastyone]

Its scary to think that eidos actually considered making the thief series a modern Reboot and had been working on it since 2006 , and that even after the original dev team quit Eidos still insisted on Shipping the TEEFTANIC ANY WAY !!!

[@Naughtydog57]

You can hear where he edited the video at 10:40 . Just noticed and..enjoyed it....

[@RedFoxReviewer]

thanks for the recommendation of thief deadly Shadows. I got myself a copy of it and I've found that it's very fun, and I absolutely love the stealth gameplay in it.

[@splayr_]

I know it's probably not the best place to talk about this, but for me, it's pretty important. In a video game medium invaded by explosions, small hallways and scripts, it'd be numberous kind of refreshing to have something like this in here.

[@IgnemAeternum]

This is exactly why i like Thief:TDP/Gold. It focuses more on the undead, creepy, desolate atmosphere with tomb raiding and magical fantasy rather than pesky burglary. This is also one of the reasons i didn't enjoy Thief II as much as i did Thief. Yes, i get it. The game is named Thief. But it was much more than thievery, it combined everything good with some thievery and everything was stealth packed from start to finish.

[@Torgo1969]

Agreed. TDP was the first PC game I ever played back in '99 and the story still amazes me.

[@eyewandersfoto]

I adore both the first two. The only game that has ever compelled me to darken the ENTIRE house, light a few candles and disappear into insanity for days.

[@djdj696]

Razorfist, I love you now. Why? Because you mentioned the extremely underrated Tenchu series. I don't know anyone else who even brings up Tenchu, ever.

[@shinrazero]

Thank you for being a voice of the fans.

[@whoknows8500]

BEST SERIES

[@J3f3R20n]

Is The Dark mod worth playing?

[@sp1cychick3n]

Yes.

[@boobio1]

***** What is the Dark mod?

[@J3f3R20n]

boobio1 www.thedarkmod.com/main/

[@ZemplinTemplar]

+Jeffrey Herkk Absolutely.

[@Zelousmarineinspace]

Jeff Herc More than TEEF

[@Stickheadz32]

Fully agreed, but the fact that you'd ride on a mudskipper for half an hour gains the satisfaction at the end of the ride in terms of length.

[@dileepvr]

There's a new Ultima Underworld push on Kickstarter. Paul Neurath and Tim Stellmach (from the original Looking Glass) are on the team.

[@jonerikson5925]

Came for the thief, stayed for the morgan webb insult

[@nujevad28]

The flash bombs in front of Ray Charles almost killed me. I was eating breakfast when I was watching and upon seeing the image, I choked on my food.

[@Amin8ionCompany]

Can you do a walkthrough for the Thief Series.

[@iansharp8211]

That little rant at 4:40 had me on the floor

[@antaress8128]

Thief Deadly Shadows is the best game I have ever played.

[@maryannc5230]

Aaah that little sequel with Garrett at the end... I see what you did there! :P

[@childofthesun32]

It pleases me to hear people talk well of Thief. Any positive sentence you can think of, that applies to Thief... Is true.

[@BreadTheGamer]

Just bought the thief collection because of this video. I can't wait to play through them.

[@Clowndoe]

You didn't ask for this, but the most important thing about the first game that you won't learn from reading the manual is alt+shit+w (lean forward). You can thank me later.

[@MrNickPresley]

On the hardest difficulty, that's exactly what happens. It's only challenging because they're freakishly resistant to death. Out think them all you want, but it doesn't mean shit if you can't damage them properly. Hence, cheap difficulty. This exact same thing happens in a lot of Valve's games, actually-- L4D leaps readily to mind, with both the Tank, and Charger becoming nigh-unstoppable on the higher difficulty modes.

[@mushuwu]

To any fans of Thief, I highly suggest checking out this game called Tangiers. It's pretty much an abstract 3rd-person Thief, complete with light gem and sound meter. The creator even admitted to being inspired by Thief Gold and II. It's on Kickstarter right now.

[@VladimirCRIII]

I think you mean a "Karras"matic madman. 😎

[@KamikazeChinaman]

Rest in piece, Thief.

[@KirillNeko]

Great... Got to play them all, thx for retrospective, and thx for a subtitles.

[@Interfector0]

Preach, Razor! Replaying OG Garrett's adventures right now. P.S. That fucking dialogue montage at the end! XD

[@ZemplinTemplar]

It's a sample of The Smashing Pumpkin's song The End Is the Beginning Is the End. It's a song of their's from 1998 or thereabouts. You can hear it as the background music in the Watchmen trailer.

[@TheDistorted]

Holy shit, you're the first person I've ever heard of that shares my exact opinions on the original Thief series! And you did it with fucking flair, my son! Excellent video :D

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

I'm sure Thief 4 turned out to be a good game... right? Right? *WRONG!*

[@whatroughbeast2841]

Still remember the first time playing thief and trying to attack a guard, and he wasn't having it. Quite the learning experience.

[@TheMadgecko]

"I am Garrett. Did ya miss me?" Heck no you imposter! Off with his freaking head!

[@mordhaine]

TDP is the best. TDP took it's time introducing you to its world. You didn't jump right into the main storyline, but were given several "normal" days in the life of Garrett. This gave the developers plenty of time to introduce all the elements of their creation and slowly work up to the main plot. The levels set in more exotic locales served to present glimpses of a larger world, and the strong presence of undead hammered home the very real danger you faced...

[@AdamAus85]

Thief The Dark Project for the story definitely. One of my first PC experiences where I was really enthralled about what was going on. Victoria was sexy and mysterious and the old guy turns out to be, well you know what.

[@Nezgroul]

Jesus Christ was the thieves guild mission horrid. I spent like 3-4 hours admiring the walls in the vague hope of finding a hint on where i need to go until i finally consulted a guide.

[@karras6239]

Oh builder why thou had sent me here before? Subbed.

[@samuel742able]

i think, thief 1 is fantastic and legendary, thief 2 = good and fun game. and thief 3 = good but not as good as preview games. thief 4 = dishonored thief(imposter) edition.

[@SamuraiGoth]

Someone else loves Tenchu!!! They are some of my favorite games!

[@shadowperson779]

Thanks to this video I now have purchased all three Thief games from gog.com! Excited as Hell to play them! And it's all thanks to you Razorfist.

[@staculette1919]

Thief 1 is darker and deeper than the second one

[@NewTypeDilemma01]

"[As empty as] Obsidian's promises..." Yeah, more like former LucasArt's promises; oh, but now I'm just talking crazy! Not that I'm in disagreement about the Thief Series' quality, because I'm not...

[@64UPAllGOD]

Why have I not gotten around to trying this series yet?

[@dragonheart967]

My thoughts exactly. Buying this series and Deus Ex on Steam right now.

[@RomanImperialXII]

dragonheart967 NO! Buy it on gog.com! Not on steam! Ho.. 1 month ago? crap...

[@dragonheart967]

***** Why would I? I know it's a mute point now, but why? And if you're reason is the DRM, Steam does have an offline mode. I can play these game whether I have an internet connection or not.

[@RomanImperialXII]

Ho no, I mean the no DRM deal is excellent imo and I fell really sorry you think is not worth supporting... But what I mean to say is that old games are hard to get to work on modern systems, and steam cares jackshit about that, unlike gog who gives special treatment to these old games by making small tweaks, so everything you buy on gog is probably gonna run on your computer whiteout an hassle. Sometimes they even get new resolution options and they all bring bonuses like the game soundtrack, wallpapers and whatnot. I think this is all good incentive, and its not like steam's offline mode is a truly reliable feature...

[@DrearierSpider1]

dragonheart967 I hate to jump into an argument this old, but I'm going to. Steam's DRM still prevents you from installing games to a CD or flash drive, there's no support or refund policy, GOG versions are better optimized to run on modern systems, they come with extras as RomanImperialXII mentioned AND it's the same price on both services as long as you buy all 3 games bundled together. There's literally no downside to buying GOG and only negatives with Steam, at least for these games.

[@MorphingReality]

Very well done!

[@Setsuna012]

Deadly shadows was my thief game and I really enjoyed it. The reboot was just.... Why?

[@ehcmier]

Don't confuse how little YOU'VE seen or heard with the ton of info we've had since March 5, not to mention confirmation of things implied since 2009 in tweets, "leaked" images and videos, and interviews. There are HOURS of information to sift through.

[@TheBurning1981]

The Thief series is my favorite video game series also. I play them all the time.

[@mordhaine]

Once you really got into the major plotline, it really only concerned itself with one major heist, spanning several levels, and then the repurcussions thereof. It had a very deliberate arc and pace, and in my opinion is the best of the series for it.

[@brelanduff]

Thief 1 and 2, best sound design for it's era.

[@Ray23005]

To everyone who's interested in the Thief series as well as some of the other games mentioned in this video like Deus Ex and System Shock 2 (the original isn't there, but I guess this is close enough), they're on GOG for a incredibly cheap price (and coincidentally their summer sale has started, so 50% off those titles right now). Just throwing that out there for those interested. As far as the original System Shock goes, you can either try Portable or find an original copy. Hope that helps.

[@sonicr1]

I have only 2 questions. Where did the image at 9:59 come from, and how do I get more of it?

[@GiSeiNoREI]

Thief The Dark Project is the game. It has the best story and possibly the most scaring level ever - The Cathedral.

[@Zelousmarineinspace]

GiSeiNoREI The Shalebridge Cradle is scarier.

[@SomeBowtiePerson]

Are you going to do a Shock series retrospective at some point? Also, since you put System Shock in the trinity over 2, would you say you like the first more than the second? I really do, due to more complex maps, more distinct environments, better voice logs and atmosphere, and no shoehorned in character progression that prevents one from effectively role-playing.

[@LightningSpartan]

Hey Razorfist I never knew you did a review Thief 3 for the GOG site. I actually stumble across your review accidentally while looking for other reviews, it was quite good and informative. Great Retrospective BTW . Have you tried any fan made mission or the dark mod for matter? Any good recommendation for FM?

[@vibingwithvinyl]

Your rant at the end reminded me of Dee Snider ranting about the decline of heavy metal in the late 80's / early 90's.

[@greyfox37]

Thief had a great story and was scary as hell. Thief 2 had the better level design and very fun missions. Both games are masterpieces and to this day, through all the Call of Duties, Crysis, Elder Scrolls, etc, are still my favorite games of all time

[@Shirafune161]

Finally, someone who deosn't worship Return to the Cathedral. Don't like the tomb raiding missions in general, but this one and Bonehoard made me ctrl-shift-alt-end, shiny loot be damned. "Schozophrenic level design" is spot-on.

[@ItsTheFizz]

Another excellent retrospective, Mr. Fist... I have to ask... What are your thoughts on some of the Thief community creations, such as The Dark Mod or T2X: Shadows Of The Metal Age?

[@patdeezy716]

Thief the dark project demo was the first video game I had on my computer in 8th grade

[@Blahander]

Just sharing this: GoG is offering the old Thief games for 75% off (like $3,49 each). Offer lasts up untill Tuesday, April 8 at 3:59AM GMT. Have fun.