Thinking about Downwinding on Lakes

Рет қаралды 3,391

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 47

@mistersuperstoked Жыл бұрын

Hey Marvinho! Thanks for the shout-out and referencing my video in the description. I think the main part really is having a foil that matches the conditions in your lake. If it’s mostly small and gutless then go for sth bigger like GONG Curve H, Sabfoil Leviathan, or Axis PNG. THEN think about what boards suit these wings. I would say for lake runs you might get away with the Hipe Cruzader. If you plan to eventually DW in the ocean, you might need a smaller HA front wing, and therefore a longer, skinnier (hard-!)board, to get these smaller wings up to speed…Interesting that you are mainly thinking about storage and price, for me it is mainly the fact that I am usually super hard on my equipment and that the GONG can take a proper beating any day without the need to repair it. 😂 Also, I would like to go upwind using public transportation. 😊

@FoilingPastor Жыл бұрын

I thought a shout-out could maybe help you getting more subscribers and I was really glad having found you. Most Gong ads are always out in the ocean, whereas most people don`t have an ocean around. I haven`t thought about boards getting damage. I have the Gong Kite Catch from 2022 and that board really lost a lot of the color spraying while hitting something. I own an Indiana Board and that is way more resistant to damage. So I hope Gong really worked on their color spraying, but if not then an inflatable would be much better. In Switzerland we don`t have so much storage, that`s why it`s a big factor for me. I am not sure, if I will be sup foiling many days in the ocean, since we are either flying on vacation, or go kiting in Sicily what it is more a flatwater spot.

@olivierdecroly661 10 ай бұрын

Hi how is your progress with SUP DW on your lake? I am very interested as well to try on my local lake. I have Cruzader with curve H 5xl. Trying first to flat paddle up, might be useful for lake DW (not necessary for Ocean DW). My lake does not get real bumps but can be windy. I think we should create FB or WA group specific to DW on lakes and share experiences. Cheers from Belgium

@FoilingPastor 10 ай бұрын

thank you very much for your message. Yes, a WA group specific for DW on lakes would be great. Unfortunately, I didn`t start yet, because I wasn`t sure what DW board to buy. I am not sure, if it is worth waiting to buy the second version of the Gong Hipe Cruzader or not. I thought they would have already released it by now. What size do you have with the Cruzader?

@olivierdecroly661 10 ай бұрын

@@FoilingPastor I have 7’6 XL v1. I am close to 100kg. I saw the video of the guy in Bavaria on a hipe…I think foil selection will be more critical

@FoilingPastor 10 ай бұрын

@@olivierdecroly661 how do you like your curve 5XL?

@olivierdecroly661 10 ай бұрын

@@FoilingPastor I am new to giant wing so difficult to judge now. Only tried a few short sessions.

@FoilingPastor 10 ай бұрын

by time you will know for sure@@olivierdecroly661

@Ernieelse1 Жыл бұрын

Hi Marvinho, ich winge auf dem Zürichsee. Habe Gerüchte gehört, dass Duotone bald auch ein Inflatable Downwind Board rausbringt. Das würde ich gerne anschauen mit dem Ziel auf dem Zürichsee zu wingen bei Leichtwind oder bei stärkerem Wind einen Downwinder zu machen. Danke für die Videos.

@FoilingPastor Жыл бұрын

das klingt sehr spannend. Schreib mir gerne, wenn du mehr weisst oder dir das Board kaufst und erste Erfahrungen damit machst.

@mikeb1039 11 ай бұрын

Tried to learn foiling and winging 3 years ago. Frustrating summer as the first gen wings were small and heavy and we are inland lake (small) and get very light wind (summer max is usually 12 mph). Couldn't do much. Bought a LIft E foil and learned to foil the last 2 summers. I think it' s immensely helpful to learn one of the skills before trying to do both, but that's me. Now I'm ready to learn sailing and try the wing again, only now I have a 6.4 and 8.0 wing that are supposed to be the real deal. We'll see :) I plan to learn to use my wing on my sup (w/center fin) and then transition to my foil board. We do have a drinking water reservoir near me that is elevated 40' and gets a lot more wind than down at ground level. And no speed boats!! hmmmmm

@FoilingPastor 10 ай бұрын

that does not sound like a easy process, but I wish you lots of success and enough patience along the way.

@mikeb1039 10 ай бұрын

@@FoilingPastor The process is the joy to me. When I bought the LIft there were guys on our lake that bought 3 and were giving demo rides/lessons ($300) to pay for their boards. They hit us up countless times when they saw us out struggling. They used headsets and a 2nd board with an instructor on it. Guaranteed to get up on your ride or another hour free. They couldn't understand how we didn't want to be foiling RIGHT NOW. I just smiled. At 64 I have the patience. Wouldn't have 30 years ago. I've enjoyed every single minute of learning this crash by crash. Except the ones that hurt.

@FoilingPastor 10 ай бұрын

that`s great to hear. I also enjoy the process of learning and mastering the challenge that`s what make foiling so interesting. @@mikeb1039

@mikeb1039 10 ай бұрын

@@FoilingPastor That first moment I meld foiling with wind power is going to be a spiritual one. :)

@kittathay9678 8 ай бұрын

Have you considered the Takoon escape SW?

@FoilingPastor 8 ай бұрын

I thought about it. It is almost the same price as the Gong Cruzader. Did you try that board?

@kittathay9678 8 ай бұрын

@@FoilingPastor not tried it but they are apparently very well built but very little reviews online. I think I would choose Takoon over gong as I have had 2 Gong boards and both seem a little cheaper in construction compared to others like Naish or Fanatic

@FoilingPastor 8 ай бұрын

@@kittathay9678 I would be surprised, if the Takoon Boards are much better built than Gong. My impression from the outside was, that they are quite similiar in pricing and quality overall. Fanatic and Naish Boards are also way more costly, somehow they have to justify why they are costing mostly double...

@alibeardy5264 8 ай бұрын

Hello Marvinho Good videos on equipment choice and you pose some good questions I am wingfoiling now for 3years so quite a good standard I live on a sea inlet and have access to the ocean /swell for downwinding with paddle only My question is which Gong foils are you using or thinking about Sirius or Curve H in xl sizes Some of the locals are downwinding in strong wind no ocean swell and it seems that glide is good but being able to connect to another small wavelet is equally a important My thinking so far Gong 7'6 inflatable board but cant make my mind up between Curve H 3XLH or Sirius XXL

@FoilingPastor 8 ай бұрын

thank you very much for your positive feedback. I will stay with the Sirus XXL, because I don`t want to spend all my money on equipment. At some point in your downwind journey, I think you want to take a smaller frontwing to downwind anyways, so the very big frontwings are more for learning I guess. But if you have neither of them, I guess for downwinding I would prefer the Curve H, because it will be easier to turn with it than the Sirus.

@alibeardy5264 8 ай бұрын

@@FoilingPastor Thank you you confirm my thinking so far Now waiting to see if the next edition of Hipe Crusader is different .Out of stock currently

@FoilingPastor 8 ай бұрын

@@alibeardy5264 I just ordered the old one, because Patrice doesn`t know yet, when the new ones will be coming out.

@janschenk85 Жыл бұрын

Hi, Marvin Ich hatte dich auch mal gefragt was du denkst zum fortschrittkauf. Jetzt habe ich einen Sirus XL und ein Hipe Cruzader 7.6` Leider hatte ich noch keine Zeit um probieren zu gehen. Da ich schon Wellenreite und viel SUPen war erhoffe ich mir relativ steil fortschritt erzielen zu können. Super Videos, dein Journey ist sehr gut dokumentiert! Lg Jan

@FoilingPastor Жыл бұрын

Wünsche dir auf jeden Fall viel Erfolg und bin gespannt, wie es bei dir laufen wird. Flat Water Paddle Ups gehören sicher zur Schwierigsten Disziplin. Deshalb rechne mit etwas mehr Zeit.

@FabianFoehrenbach Жыл бұрын

Ich hab das aufblasbare Gong nur mal auf die schnelle getestet. Keine 15 Minuten Zeit, musste weg. Mir war zuviel Volumen in der Nose, konnte sie nicht tief genug ins Wasser drücken um ein Aufschaukeln vom Board einzuleiten. Hab das mit einem custom board besser hin bekommen und war da schon fast am Fliegen. Hab da das Foil schon gut gespürt. Ist warscheinlich auch mit dem Gong möglich, war nur meine erste Erfahrung.

@FoilingPastor Жыл бұрын

Hoi Fabian, danke für deinen Beitrag. War das custom Board auch aufblasbar? Wahrscheinlich hättest du deinen Fussstand etwas nach vorne schieben müssen, um die Nose runterdrücken zu können?

@FabianFoehrenbach Жыл бұрын

@@FoilingPastor custom war ein hardboard. Bin sehr weit vorne gestanden, aber möglich. Tipp fürs anfangen.. erstmal kniend los paddeln und dann aufstehen. Dann hats Board mehr Stabilität.

@FoilingPastor Жыл бұрын

@@FabianFoehrenbach ich habe mal das Sup Foil von Indiana ausprobiert und bin damit ganz gut zurecht gekommen. Beim Hochpumpen hatte ich etwas Mühe, war aber zumindest gefühlt schon gar nicht mehr so weit entfernt. Geradeaus auf Geschwindigkeit paddlen ist einfach schwierig

@peterkriebel6650 8 ай бұрын

I live near Zug and use either an inflatable Hipe 5´3 or a rigid Cruzader 6´3, they have roughly the same volume. It's not only that the Cruzader picks up speed easily. Even more important is the fact that with the shape of the Cruzader (kind of a "bulb" in front) you get automatically into the pumping movement. The inflatable Cruzader Hipe is flat, so you lose this advantage. Regarding the Lake Zug downwind: dream big! Go for Vierwaldstättersee with Föhn, Seedorf - Brunnen!

@FoilingPastor 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for your explanation. Did you get the Hipe 5"3 up from paddling? Lake Uri has way better swell for sure, but I live in Arth, so I would be great to be able to go downwinding either with "Föhn" or a strong "Brise"

@peterkriebel6650 8 ай бұрын

@@FoilingPastor I think you mean whether I get the Cruzader up from paddling, ... well, I will try when it get's warmer and maybe try some dockstarts with the Sirus 136 frontwing ...

@FoilingPastor 8 ай бұрын

@@peterkriebel6650 yes, that was my question. I ordered the 7`0 as the hipe cruzader and will see how it will work

@kapamk Жыл бұрын

Moin! Hast du schon die neue Cruzader (Point, Diamont) bei GONG gesehen? Beide Bretter sehen köstlich aus.

@FoilingPastor Жыл бұрын

Ja, habe sie mir angeschaut und geärgert, dass mein Video nicht früher herausgekommen ist 😂😜 Spass beiseite. Schaut wirklich interessant aus und ebenso interessant, dass sie jetzt zwei verschiedene Versionen bringen. Das würde heissen, dass sie von der Allrounder Idee etwas abrücken.

@javierguergue3685 10 ай бұрын

Indeed! This may also be the move for the new hipe cruzaders that I expect will come out soon. Other brands are also offering narrow boards in different styles (see Takoon Escape for DW, Escape SW for intermediates, Takoon Ultra Glide a bit shorter and focused on winging). It would be great news (for me) if Gong would offer similar options in inflatable version, as I am more focused on winging. But for someone interested in more pure DW or with an expert/advanced level, I think the current hipe cruzaders on sale are a nice opportunity to get such boards at discount.

@Schisshaas Жыл бұрын

Die neuen Gong Bretter sind schon veröffentlicht inklusive werbevideos allerdings nur die normalen Bretter nicht die aufblasbaren ich habe mir eins bestellt (GONG FOIL BOARD HIPE CRUZADER STRAPLESS - 7'11) falls du mal testen willst ... ich wohne bei Basel ...

@FoilingPastor Жыл бұрын

Ja, sehr gern. Das wäre super. Wie kann ich dich am Besten erreichen? Instagram? WhatsApp? Email?

@danmosby7980 25 күн бұрын

why not kite foiling on the lake

@FoilingPastor 25 күн бұрын

they have strong regulations and almost no space. So you would need to swim out with the kite for 200m to launch. And the föhn storm have crazy crazy gusts, so it wouldn`t be that nice.