What Did These Hollywood Morons Think Would Happen?

[@con_doorman]

If you've got a priceless Ming vase, you don't give it to Mr. Bean to look after. This should be common sense.

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

This is what happens when ceo’s and other idiots that know nothing about the craft get greedy and meddle with stuff they know nothing about.

[@MrDman21]

They reap what they sow.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

It's not just messages, it's a lack of originality, creativity, sanity.

[@rockytheblackdragon]

I hope they go the way of the dodo bird

[@davidfarrington4308]

It would be cool if they could trade places with the dodo like some kind of weird Star Trek mirror universe swap.

[@88playmkr]

I’ll never understand how Hollywood drives comic speculation when all they do is fumble the bag. There’s a shit ton of quality books and games they can make shows and movies of but they always think they’re better than the original writers.

[@LOCUS_LUCAS]

We either get dumb ideas nobody asked for, or much-loved classics violated in the name of ModernAudience (TM), and nothing in between. To what end? THIS end.

[@NebLleb]

You're right about Modern Writers churning out dumb ideas no-one asked for. Who in their right mind wanted a Prequel to The Omen Trilogy? Or a slasher shared universe that turns beloved children's characters into cliche wannabe slasher villains? No-one, that's who.

[@SparrowAaron]

The one hope for entertainment is that the failures of the big studios will lead to an indie studio renaissance.

[@mitchellalexander9162]

@@SparrowAaron The Childrens Characters into Wannabe Slasher Villains WAS an Indie Idea.

[@SparrowAaron]

@@mitchellalexander9162 I never said every indie idea was gonna be gold. 😂

[@mitchellalexander9162]

@@SparrowAaron But at least the Bad Ones will keep the Spirt of Car Crash Cinema alive.

[@lacolem1]

That they couldn’t anticipate the streaming bubble would burst is mind blowing. The early Netflix/Hulu streaming model was perfect. One or two places for nearly unlimited IP. But I’m not paying $100+ for 10 different services. Writers were never going to continue eating as well as 2015-2020

[@Jonkin715]

Hollywood overextended themselves, as they tend to do, and paid for their hubris.

[@bobbobbins6699]

Aaron is always a compelling speaker. Plenty of wisdom and he expresses his points so well.

[@timwingers]

We were having a similar conversation at the comic book store yesterday. It's bad when the people leaving the fastest are the most die hard of fans

[@chrischreative2245]

I would have just walked off the set if they pulled a black Viking queen/king out their hat. Nope. Nope. I’m black and tired of this crap as well. Was never a good idea.

[@GalenJoyce-ff2cp]

Mark Hamill should've walked off the set instead of doing that green milk scene.

[@chrischreative2245]

@@GalenJoyce-ff2cp agreed! As much as he complained about what they did to Luke just walk off set or don’t do it at all

[@lunarvision]

@@GalenJoyce-ff2cpHamill has the brain rot. He’s too far gone.

[@jojitelizalde6965]

That Thundercats Roar was so bad,my five year old wouldnt watch it. Once profitable I.P. is being run into the ground and we the fans are taking the loss.

[@lunarvision]

It was made by entitled, untalented wokesters (aren’t they all?).

[@joeherrera8826]

Whatever happen to the 2012 thunder cats it was only for like one season then they ended it in a cliff hanger. I thought that one was pretty good.

[@nessiesearcher]

Glad to see Aaron getting back on his feet. Yes guys, Retro is the way. I have been watching H.R. Pufnstuf from about 1970 and loving it.

[@brew1234567891]

Nothing on any of my watchlist has anything made in America after 2016.

[@maxmazzotti6651]

That is a bit of a stretch, considering infinity war endgame are awesome

[@theoldgods8229]

They are rare but there are still great movies released every year; Dunkirk, Blade Runner 2049, He’ll or High Water, The Northman, Godzilla Minus One, etc

[@ADragon-gi9mr]

sounds right.

[@Jenner2057]

You guys nailed it. Since the writers strike we've gone back and watched The Sheild, classic Dr Who and Spartacus. Tubi is great!

[@lo1bo2]

"I'm Spartacus!"

[@deviousj5868]

The rubberband theory is where things get stretched out so much that it snaps back into place the way it was

[@ADragon-gi9mr]

If only that worked out

[@QuorkEx]

Between audiobooks, Spotify, KZbin and a back catalogue of TVs and movies stretching from the 1950 to the year 2000, I just don't have the time to watch anything made in the last few years, even if I had the inclination.

[@OnionSavoya-jf5hz]

Thank God Wes and company are on the case! The Mystery of Thinking Critically gang Is on the best bringing us all the latest news on the downfall of professionals comics.

[@Dusmiethwhi]

They applied mean girl logic to swimming with sharks.

[@patmann9363]

🤔. .😂

[@MrMulligan84]

Awesome discussion, keep it up fellas

[@kdkseven]

Identity agenda writers, producers, directors and executives ruined it for talented writers, producers and directors.

[@FunPicard]

Really good on that polling. It's the same in games, where dubious polling tells them almost half of gamers are female. Yes, mission accomplished even by their own logic! Of course the reality is these gaming habits tend to be far more casual, particular mobile puzzle games.

[@Barbel1th]

MARVEL had a really easy out with Shang-Chi and they blew it. They just needed to go back and look into why the character even existed in the first place: To capitalize on the American karate/kung-fu craze in the 1970s. All they had to do was essentially re-make Enter the Dragon and they would have printed money. Hell, they could have even set it in the 1970s and probably would have scored bonus points with some audiences with period references. Why no one thought of this is insane to me.

[@CoolCATs2814]

They would've done well if the cast would've just shut their mouths.

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

And this is the issue when greedy corporations meddle with stuff they know nothing about. Made by committee is a disease in the movie, tv and gaming industry…

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

honestly the fact that a lot of TV writers had the job to begin with is baffling. I agree writers should get residuals, but you can't ask for that with complete trash for a resume.

[@AL-ws5yi]

Reaping what they sow. Gotta love it.

[@aaronsherman91]

A year ago I took my tax return and turned into a nas with jellyfin and never looked back. Im my own streaming service now and I can watch anything I want

[@tom-u8k6y]

Lol I did the exact same with Nas and Plex

[@garycaron4423]

I stopped buying Marvel comics years ago and now dropped DC starting January. Not for me, not my money.

[@SparrowAaron]

73% overall decline in the comic market over the course of one year. But let’s keep doin’ what we’re doin’.

[@peterminos5604]

Stopped comics in 2014 stopped movies after endgame

[@CoolCATs2814]

@@SparrowAaron What's the source for your numbers, Aaron?

[@SparrowAaron]

@@CoolCATs2814 I think Wes covered it… kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpPSn2Zuqryba8Usi=NLQwa1ZxC3F9JLHW

[@FunPicard]

I quit Marvel years ago due to poor quality and politics. Then DC a year or two ago when an improbable number of characters were becoming gay.

[@baab7025]

Regarding the reboot of She-ra on Netflix, a couple of years ago the bible of that series was leaked to the public, and people were talking about how faithful it was to the lore of the original She-ra, which made many fans theorize that Stevenson (the creator of the reboot) originally used that Bible so Netflix gave them the green light and once he got it, he changed the entire series to what he really wanted to do.

[@raiderbear1]

Awesome work guys

[@inkermoy]

It's fine if they make things for a "modern audience", it's definitely not for me. I can spend my time and money on plenty of my other hobbies.

[@Eyrrll]

I have to admit, I really enjoyed DC Legends of Tomorrow for the humor.

[@yojimbonoir4411]

The greatest comic book quote of all time, “With great power, comes great responsibility.” A much lesser quote but equally important because it showed the direction of the industry, “If you don’t like my politics, don’t buy my book!”

[@patrickmoreau7592]

Marketing lie “hey, we are doing great!” Great points Wes

[@emeraldsayles8025]

Joker told us 5 years ago in 2019: "You get what you freaking deserve!" Chris Gore was hospitalized in Vegas for a stroke, and he got robbed to add insult to injury. I pray for him to get better soon. 🙏 Anime, Sydney Sweeney, Indie stuff, and I hate to say it AI. I love you all

[@mephosto]

i've been saying it for years. there is literal decades of content to watch, read, or game that you can go to rather than new stuff. it's a reality for even good products.

[@ChrisK056]

100%. We’ve never had more access to more content (new & old) than we do right now. So why do people spend an inordinate amount of energy complaining about what they don’t like?

[@dronefury]

Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Doctor Who, etc. All of these yes need to go away. Our nostalgia was used against us fans. Apathy has set in on a atomic level. One can only watch the rape of a loved ones corpse for only so long. Shock, Anger, Denial, Bargaining and now acceptance. Acceptance is APATHY! I reject the new, it's all going to leave you wanting in the end.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. THINKING CRITICAL

[@DarthDread-oh2ne]

I was reading another dragon ball fanfic; you see: Goku and Evil 21 had “relations” and the evil version used this to set up Goku.

[@cancelme4200]

That's how I feel with comics. If I completely stop with modern books I can never read all of the old stuff already. There's a lifetime worth of content. People need to realize they don't need to deal with the modern b.s..

[@WTSD850]

don't forget they said one of the reasons the star wars movies failed was the lack of quicky interesting characters which is definitely a problem

[@TheUnseenFenianHand]

I don’t like to hear about people losing their jobs but at the same time there’s a lot of people in these industries who should never be there in the first place. I doubt very much in the way of actual talent is going to be lost here, just delusional narcissists. So it’s a positive for the industry and for the fans who are the reason these franchises ever existed in the first place.

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

0:07 This is protagonist centered morality, just manifesting itself in a real life situation. As these people really did/do believe that most of the country supported their ideals and those that didn't were the minority. Undoubtedly, there was also some spite mixed in there as well. I also suspect these people are bad at long-term thinking/resource management.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK.

[@hamdinger7145]

I like Aaron Sparrow

[@SparrowAaron]

Thank you!

[@dwaynemuth8775]

@@SparrowAaronAlways on point! Thanks!🎯⚡️👍

[@redshiplanding]

Really appreciate the channel and the intelligent conversation; you are both knowledgeable and well-spoken . . . but I do disagree with one claim: KK did not fail because she forced "girl-boss" stories into SW to the point where boys left as a result. KK failed because she forced TERRIBLE stories into SW to the point where ANYONE who actually understood what SW was and how it worked got the fuck out. I refuse to accept that girls/women ALL automatically LOVE SW just because the stories are now completely gynocentric. The TRUE SW fanbase (well, what it USED to be, since SW is a dead brand) is better than that.

[@rbname7318]

Legend of tomorrow turned into trash. You are absolutely right it became a logo channel series

[@brianmcguinness9642]

I would love to see Disney go bankrupt just to get Star Wars, Marvel, and Indiana Jones out of their hands.

[@CoolCATs2814]

Who would buy them? And why would anybody buy them?

[@ActeonEtharius]

I'm re-watching Highlander, Quantum Leap, Columbo and Married With Children. I don't need modern TV, it's hugely inferior to what came before it. I'm much happier for it.

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

Well the peeps in Hollywood aren’t the brightest sparks, and they actually believe the majority of the world shares their views, when in reality it’s only a tiny minority. But you’d think all the movie flops would show them they’re on the wrong track.

[@RobertBaker-cg4md]

It's a wilfull lack of any idea how to come up with anything new or to get anything old right. Along side horror, Star Wars, Star Trek, & Dr Who used to be my most favorite things since I was a kid. Even as I got older, I still managed to enjoy them. I never could have conceived when I was young a time when all 3 things would exist, but be so bad I wouldn't even attempt to watch them. Glad I have my literally 1000s of DVDs & Blu-ray of when things used to be good though.

[@rocketraccoon1976]

I think they should go on strike again, until the industry meets their demands. 😂😂😂

[@GOTAisMe]

I love Aaron's example of the Star Wars game pushing female lead as their major marketing focus. I've been buying Tomb Raider games since the PS1. As everyone knows you play as Lara Croft who is a super cool character. It's been 30 years and there have been games and movies and comics. If this had been marketed as the 1st female protagonist in a console adventure game this never would have happened. Instead the marketing was all about you being able to fight and solve puzzles in this incredible 3-D world which had state of the art graphics. That's why I bought it and keep buying those games. Of course they'll probably now destroy the character by doing the same crap they are doing to Star Wars and Marvel but Lara Croft has been one of the truly great video game characters because she is an adventurer and not a female blah blah blah character.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT THINKING CRITICAL HOLLYWOOD PUSHING THE MESSAGES AND AGENDAS

[@rjshadow4321]

its simple as bills go up (California's wage hike/ all these extra wages to actors) the company will find ways to save money usually by firing people or firing everyone when it closes.

[@GalenJoyce-ff2cp]

The only good thing about the last jedi was all the fan reactions ripping it to shreds.

[@SparrowAaron]

It spawned a legion of entertaining KZbin critics. 😉

[@RH_Collective]

There's a video by the channel - Iconceivable - that showed the Last Jedi rants and reviews.

[@GalenJoyce-ff2cp]

@@RH_Collective I'm going to check it out right now.

[@RH_Collective]

@@GalenJoyce-ff2cp enjoy it, it's follow up Rise of the Skywalker rant compilation reaches about an hour long

[@livefree6455]

Checking the daily TV listings I see that there are very few of the good weekly shows left. I really don't care for the singing, dancing, or game shows that now saturate the prime time lineup so am forced to watch older Britbox shows if I want to watch any TV. My family has got a lot of reading done over the past few months and I think that's a good thing.

[@CecilWindbush]

I might get Hogwards to piss off those dummies that are against J.k. Rowing and I not a Harry Potter fan.

[@NebLleb]

Basically, the onslaught of terrible modern writers has caused the "Dicks, Pussies and Assholes" analogy from Team America to become applicable to the entertainment space. And as an autist who actually fell victim to the Dicks' grift for 2 and a half years, I think I wound up retaining some awful habits from those dark times.

[@theprincipalofficer_1]

Oh dear, how sad, never mind! They can learn to code.

[@nafisaustin5063]

If it’s one things AI can reproduce really good it’s Hollywood scripts.. especially comic books movies.

[@mikewright8304]

I have zero sympathy for any of the hacks that are out of work. Just about everything that has come out in the last few years has been straight garbage. Been watching Earth Final Conflict, Andromeda, and similar shows and enjoying it. Tubi is my best friend lol

[@christianmelendez1177]

Apparently that what happened ever since in WW2 Era but this one is different

[@WTSD850]

don't forget about big finish audio dramas!!!!

[@SeniorCharry]

Years ago I gave up on most Western entertainment and now mostly watch Anime. Most games I play are Xbox 360 era games and there’s a ton of audiobooks I need to catch up on.

[@ensabahnur7657]

Agendas, agendas, agendas!😒

[@sardomarcrowe5723]

They literally TOLD US if we like it the old way go read those, the future belongs to the new fans of the new material.... We couldn't GIVE them our money for what we wanted, and they couldn't get that new future audience to turn up for that new future content, and they criticised US for not showing up and paying for it. WE. DO. NOT. WANT. IT. WE will give you OUR money if you make what WE want. We TOLD you what we wanted. You cannot get our money if you lie subvert, pervert, denigrate things we love or want, so bait and switch will NOT work either. So, you MUST abandon what you want if you also want our money. Our wants = our money. Your / their wants = no money. You must want both our money and our wants while abandoning achieving your other / their wants. You cannot serve two masters unless you want our money and our wants; us as said masters/clients. Q.E.D.

[@rbname7318]

I root for bad stuff to fail too.

[@ericveilleux8539]

What I heard is that western entertainment, should act more eastern way.When a light novel is a success, they release a manga and a anime in short order with similar yet media oriented alteration, mostly cost issue, then a mobile games and goodies from mass cheap stuff to branded. The core story remain the same, but it is adapted to the media and not the consumers.

[@Barot8]

To be fair the studios hired a bunch of twitter activists (who couldn't write a good story to save their lives) because they were cheaper. Of all the departments to cut, the studios targeted talented writers. We're stuck with DEI writers while the good writers who were just fighting for wages and not to be replaced by AI are mostly gone. The DEI writers will be fired soon too. I think Disney did test the AI waters which added more garbage to their releases. Thank you Wes and Aaron.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT THINKING CRITICAL HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS ANGRY 😡 SNOWFLAKES SERIOUSLY,,,

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT THINKING CRITICAL PEOPLE WANT GOOD ENTERTAINMENT

[@d.9829]

SPACE BALLS! MERCHANDISING!

[@rbname7318]

You guys did call it

[@troypeterson2156]

We,our culture and country would not only survive perfectly fine without hollywood and their product but would in absolute FACT be improved and greatly heal if they would stop for a good long while if not permanently. Theres years of content to see us through if just couldnt live without it (we could). same with comics. i dont want to see it happen, but if it ended tomorrow, id be just fine. im closer to the end than the start of my collecting and theres plenty options to see me through to my last days. they can have my money till then or not. its their choice.

[@bazzathegreat3517]

I was looking at box office numbers and the only conclusion is that Hollywood is delusional. They don't care about money. They chase the fame. Star Wars is a great example. Star Wars has a distinct pattern. It draws huge initial interest, then with each movie in the trilogy, it reverts back to the diehard fans. If they objectively analyzed the trend of the movies and cared about making money they would know this. The think that they just make money with each movie. Empire Strikes back is lauded as the best of all Star Wars movies but its box office isn't even close to the Original Star Wars. Star Wars had great fans that supported the franchise with each movie and the toys, while normies only showed up at the beginning of each new set of movies. If you don't cater to the fans there is nothing there. The larger audience they sought, naturally just stopped showing up; even for the good movies. These trends are easy to see. That a corporation, that pays people to understand this stuff, can't get it right; just shows they don't care. Bob Iger and KK just wanted to sip cocktails at a swanky party; while telling all the other Hollywood sycophants how much their movies grossed. This is also a failure of corporate entertainment. Iger and KK still got paid. The lost nothing over any of this. And they still have jobs. It isn't about making something good. It is just like working at a bank. As long as the paychecks come on Friday, no one really gives two cents about the product. As a caveat, when I mention the box office; I am talking about inflation adjusted numbers, which correlates better to tickets sold.

[@ernestomendez7419]

Too stupid and incompetent to create credible, likeable original characters, too cheap and bitter to continue to push popular existing ones.

[@DarthDread-oh2ne]

Noble Four: Alright, six. It’s time for you to go. Deliver package to the captain and get off this planet-I got your back.

[@doommega]

😂😂😂😂 I thought it was me , at one point of time we had a Fantastic batch of shows that would come out before your favorite show ends so u never be down on shows - now you can pretty much say u got enough space to go and find your other shows u might of missed to fill that void. We are in a space where it happens everywhere- comics , movies , videos games , shows - people are rejecting these people ideas because their impatience to cultivate and create and the ly rather insult and demand without merit .

[@tstockel]

I don't know what seasons Keto worked on with Legends but the first two seasons were solid entertainment. But yeah, by season three slowly but surely everybody was turning gay. Constantine was now bi, too. The show went from popcorn entertainment to outright gay advocacy.

[@UnKnown-cq7mg]

The last truly original year for Hollywood in my opinion was 1999

[@PrimalistOptimus]

They TQcult is and always have been creatively bankrupt.

[@SwampThingNJ]

Need more shows like Shogun

[@bobbyplayer8349]

Say it louder for the folks in Overflow😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@saladinbryant3653]

Is DEI the new word for the N word? I thought that was Woke.

[@AL-ws5yi]

Is Aaron feeling better?

[@uscitizen3252]

Incorrect. Legends of Tomorrow lasted 7 seasons and season 7 was one of the most watched shows on the CW Network. It was ONE of the many casualties of the change over to Nextstar. So budgeting issue, not that no one was watching it.

[@DrDetfink]

Legends was turrible

[@gavsmi6452]

As angry as i get with modern entertainment sometimes, if they stopped right now and never made another movie/comic/novel there is so much good stuff out there already made before all this. In a funny way they have freed up our time to discover or revisit old stuff.

[@riotkitty]

I mean heck the girls who were already interested in Star Wars left too cause it was changed too much with so much bad storytelling! (Coming from one of them)

[@Ziyon_]

The hard $$ lessons is the Best correction,..to learn Marketing how to sell your Prize iP to Customers to make money $$ for a return $Profit of revenue using Shareholders money..to stay in Business…in who you hire to $ make companys😊 $Money..an employee that will make a return profit

[@EvandroACruz]

This is the end of times.

[@jonathansoko1085]

OFf topic but bro, how do you feel about GAIL SIMONE writing Action comics? Can DC be more out of touch with their fans?

[@theprincipalofficer_1]

Same with Kevin at marvel the message.

[@stevehnatko1050]

The idea of "peak tv" is hilarious. It was the era of peak shit tv. The grift was real, it was only all throughout Hollywood and not on KZbin like they tried to tell us.

[@russellbarba8177]

Well when ip isn't what the ip is and becomes fanfiction agenda story telling is the problem....maybe they need to get back to making good shows about what true spice of life shows not gay the message agenda thinking ..

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT THINKING CRITICAL HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS IN ALL OF ENTERTAINMENT LAUGHABLE FAILURE DISASTER.

[@talulah67]

Watched about 10 minutes of Saturday Night Live and it was trash. Knew exactly what they were pushing. Wasn’t even remotely funny. Even the audience was ignoring the flashing laugh sign!

[@LemonParty69]

There is more content out there than can be consumed in several human lifetimes. It is more and more difficult to make content that garners a large audience.

[@kmovie19]

Problem is these writers are writing for people who wont watch or read their media, tom taylor wrote for lgbt community and such a small minority read comics, film and tv are just too diverse, people want tv or film like it was 20 years back, diversity was huge then, but it was never forced

[@PREPPINGBADTIMES]

Is that a writer created problem or producers telling writers they wanted every casting to have a gay character? Why are you guys are blaming it on the writers? You know this industry is micro managed from the top down. Everyone falls in-line or they get fired. Just like the comic book industry!!