Third-Person in The Source Engine

[@flyingcoconut2284]

There's a very, VERY obscure Source game in third person called "WWII Experience" which was a multiplayer tank game (similar to war thunder I guess) made by Kuma Games.

[@matt92hun]

I was gonna mention the Kuma games as well, but turns out they're not as obscure as I thought.

[@twistedpeanuts6958]

@@matt92hun For some reason, nothing ever is as obscure as one thinks

[@Numbabu]

@@twistedpeanuts6958 it’s because there are billions of people now. Despite how small the fraction of people around the world with access to the internet and interest in the same part of it as you is, there are just too many people total for it to be as limited as you feel it should be.

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

Kuma games just like activated locked memories in my brain

[@twistedpeanuts6958]

@@hungryhedgehog4201 OH WAIT are they the ones that made games for History Channel? I vaguely remember playing a game that had something to do with dinosaurs in a map that kind of looked like Aztec, at the time I was 10 or 9 probably and had no idea what I was doing or seeing. Though I think that was a browser game, I don't think Source engine games can run on a browser

[@Chorismos]

"And I doubt they'll ever use third person again." Deadlock. **walks in**

[@EnvixityBO2]

we didnt know about deadlock 1 year ago and also deadlock is being made in source 2 "engine hl:a uses"

[@LukesOffline]

@@EnvixityBO2 We know, he's saying his statement didnt age well.

[@Ropsuguy]

You forgot about a halloween spell in tf2 that miniaturized your character and lets you shoot and fight in 3rd person mode.

[@glassramen]

Not just that but there's also the being scared mechanic when fighting bosses.

[@MrGarryGrey]

@@glassramen basically every instance when you cannot fight (with exception of the spell mentioned above). That includes being stunned, scared, using go kart (in halloween event), taunting, under effect of a drink, etc.

[@glassramen]

@@MrGarryGrey Ye. I just hadn't thought of every instance of it. With how many hours I have in game I really should have been able to list it all off the top of my head.

[@Thornskade]

@@glassramen I have several thousands of hours and I completely forgot about the spell that puts you in first person. I just remembered the jarate spell from Merasmus where everyone goes under"water" also puts you in third person. TF2 is too many games in one to list all these small things without seriously thinking about it

[@Tropical-Aes]

Also on hell train, every so often you'll grow really tall and weird, and that brings you into third person

[@choom]

4:50 i love how hes killing richter overtime npcs lmao

[@Aixman]

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[@horatio2560]

@buildblok85 ☕ 💀💀

[@diamondhamster4320]

Vindictus, Bloodlines, Alien Swarm and Blade Symphony did 3rd Person Source Engine gameplay super smoothly and amazingly.

[@ryanwinklevoss]

Yea how did he forget vindictus us that game even around anymore?

[@mugoloo]

I watched the whole video and was shocked Vindictus wasn't included. It may be a microtransaction riddled hellscape run by Nexon (lol) but it is a source game and it's got the best hack-n-slash combat of any game I've ever played.

[@AlineaEuros]

​@@ryanwinklevossyeah they're still updating it to this day.

[@unoriginalperson72]

Actually hl2 thirdperson Gordon isn't concrete, it's the metal texture from his hl1 player model hev suit

[@LynxErgo]

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[@ifitsnotbrokedontfixit24435]

@@LynxErgo 🤓 -🤓

[@Destroyer_Jayy]

cool

[@Ubertheheavy324]

@@LynxErgo testicle tickler 300

[@BreadTeleporter1968]

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS STUFF

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Postal 3 is one of the games ever made. It has gameplay, a main character, and objectives. It is able to be run on computers. My favourite part is when Postal Dude says "it's Posting time!" and goes Postal.

[@Famix]

I'm surprised that the full Postal scene made it into the game where he Postals all over everyone. Truly deserves that 500% Rotten Tomatoes score

[@Thornskade]

Postal 3 is indeed a made game

[@DoorP3]

Wait, portal III existed? Man It was so bad even RWS hated it

[@Gilbert2988]

AH! You’re hilarious! (sarcastic)

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

@@Gilbert2988 it was 4 months ago. The joke was not nearly as played out then as it is now

[@ground5295]

There are actual addons for L4D2 that fix the issues with the thirdperson commands, that make it really good, honestly. The reason why Postal III helped in leaking beta HL2 content is because it was using an older version of the Source engine, which when the out-sourced devs got their hands on it from Valve, Valve neglected to remove anything regarding HL2. Should also mention, you are correct on saying Alien Swarm isn't third-person, it's top-down i.e. Hotline Miami and such. Great video.

[@JasperTedVidalTale]

Top-down is 2.5D third-person or 2D third-person same with side-view and isometric view and other perspectives that i may not know about but still involves being able to see and control your protagonist

[@AverageMichaelJordans]

alien swarm my beloved

[@Thornskade]

Yeah it actually is third-person. It is also top-down but the position of the camera doesn't matter for the definition of perspective, those are two separate things I.e. what he discussed in this video is typically called "over the shoulder"

[@madbruv]

​@@Thornskadenah its typically called third person

[@Thornskade]

@@madbruv No, that's the broad term. I mean the specific perspective. Alien Swarm is third-person, but top-down. With he other games he tried to be over the shoulder.

[@medicindisquise4271]

Vampires the Masquarade has a very usable third person mode. In fact you're forced into it if you do any melee attacks.

[@Roco3333]

Your intros/outros are the best on YT by far, impeccable

[@MeoburN07]

The intro felt like an Adult Swim commercial break

[@Sashashka]

omg i love them so much

[@sherman9869]

You’d like happy world daddy’s transitions then

[@n3onf0x]

They got that nostalgic 2000s vibe to it

[@zacqonos]

how??? they are so extremely lazy

[@aaronlink127]

A couple addendum to the L4D2 thirdperson: third-person is forcefully disabled in versus mode in third-person, all of your own shotgun shots are silent.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

It was the same way in L4D1. The things hit shotgun collision sounds made noise though. I am ashamed to say I used to cheat in VS Mode by using extreme third person camera views to peek through walls. I believe it was eventually disabled.

[@Kirik285]

Vindictus is a source game, it's a third person action dungeon crawler brawler.

[@exaltedb]

Vindictus is interesting as it’s the only source game I’m aware of that is a full-blown mmorpg

[@LucasTigy2]

i'm surprised this was entirely forgotten since it is entirely in third person and kinda of a large game

[@Tehpwnzmean1]

Was hoping this would get mentioned, game had a strong run even.

[@zaiden2becausejustzaidenisused]

the amount of dread i felt realising you were talking about postal 3

[@markfungus]

they never made a third game wdym

[@zaiden2becausejustzaidenisused]

@@markfungus in the deepest recesses of hell, even below the hell pit under the lucky ganesh, you’ll find the worst game ever on the source engine.

[@albertoftasmania]

@@markfungus Exactly. It goes Postal 1, 2, 4; No regrets, Redux, Brain Damaged.

[@gamagama69]

@@albertoftasmania is it acutally worse than 4? i heard 4 was also awful

[@weasel5905]

@@gamagama69 It is,

[@Floofy16]

5:01 why did you search furry in workshop

[@ratlobber]

no comment

[@crylune]

So that the video is haha funny

[@sirincompetent758]

joke.mp4

[@DanielWindows]

ratlobber trying to hide that he is a furry

[@BreadTeleporter1968]

Third person will always be the funniest way to play gmod with pals

[@stardust-reverie]

i have NEVER seen the half life 2 playermodel breathe like that and it’s cursed and horrifying and i never ever would’ve imagined it could do that, i am disturbed and fascinated in equal parts

[@Dahoovy]

Fun fact now bcs of deadlock valve has a thosrd person game

[@gohan7695]

You can also use third person in l4d2 as special infected of course you'll need to open a map with command prompt and do versus but what you need to type in command prompt is viewdistance and put a negative numbers and i think its works pretty well

[@blackyoshi1230]

4:40 - now you remind me there was an official Resident Evil 6 / Left 4 Dead 2 crossover pack (I still have that installed). I guess I could try Third Person with the RE6 Model Swap packs.

[@handleneeds3charactersormore]

Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines came out before half life 2, uses the source engine and has real third person mode

[@Botterton]

Haven’t heard Balling Uncontrollably in years. Thank you.

[@25inbomeportland]

am i the only one who noticed him killing all those richter overtime NPCs LOL 4:56

[@Enedee_]

Your motion graphics / editing skills are incredible! Every intro in your videos has a distinct feel and sound to it, but they all retain the same sense of identity. I see big potential in your channel and I hope it blows up in views soon! ^^

[@btfo420]

Dino DDay is another good example of Third-person/First-person mix. And I've got to say it's pretty well done and fun to play.

[@crabinijig8403]

Bro im so happy about your videos, they're exactly what i wouldve made and finding out i can do more in life and be satisfied with what i dream about is done thank you so much for your beautiful work!

[@Kimo_uwu]

Great work! I really liked the video, and the preview, it's very simple, but it contains something special, I love it!

[@CoffeeCoffinCake]

your intros make me finish faster than a fish with a gaping mouth

[@Wr3clessShark]

A simple wikipedia search also found these Source games which feature at least in some part, a third-person perspective: Kuma\War - "... is a free tactical first and third-person shooter game..." Hybrid - "... is a downloadable third-person shooter video game..." Blade Symphony - "... is reminiscent of and inspired by Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast ... first and third-person..." (This is just surface level research, some games in the Source engine wiki might have small features that include a third-person element to them but have no mention of it on the wiki).

[@Pacca64]

Portal 1 and 2 are in the unintended cheats category (and I imagine the camera would suck for aiming and flinging), but the engine does actually give you a proper simulated character model in single player so that you appear properly in portals, and that applies to third person as well. I've also been pretty frustrated by the fact that gmod locks thirdperson behind sv_cheats; why can't I get the achievement points for spawning props just cause I want to be in third person lol

[@PapaYosh]

Holyyyy shit good video. Stumbled onto it completely randomly, very happy to see Double Action Boogaloo somewhere outside of my friend group, more people need to know how fun that game is lmao. Keep up the good stuff :)

[@MissFazzington]

This is actually very well edited and informative, really cool!

[@kkay000]

5:22 thanks. Now all day I'm just gonna be thinking about EMINEM *BALLIN UNCONTROLLABLY B-BALLIN UNCONTROLLABLY BALLIN UNCONTROLLABLY BALLIN UNCONTROLLABLY*

[@toitran4937]

Lfd has those 3rd person moments when you get damaged by blasts aswell as when you are healing

[@kerdnerl]

"Valve themselves have never ventured into third person" shows pic of valve games including alien swarm, which is a third person game

[@adam_roman]

It's me, the one person who's played Alien Swarm. It's honestly pretty underrated. Also if Alien Swarm is third person then Dota 2 is too

[@El_Batipapa]

A lot of people have, and it's a great game, I had an absolute blast playing it specitally with my friends and would honestly play it again

[@nucleja]

titanfall 2 is also technically source (as im sure you know including apex n all) and all those getting in and out of titan animations are great examples! amazing video mate

[@joebert_]

dude you using ballin uncontrollably caught me absurdly off guard i forgot about that song

[@Svv4gg0t]

Hearing ballin' uncontrollably made me immediately subscribe

[@alyx724]

i love when he was showing how you can mod gmod he searched furry mods

[@MiningJack777]

Ratlobber: "Gmod workshop" Background footage *casually just furry add-ons"

[@pjproductions7628]

Bro really got caught killing pitcher overtime

[@Gaming_Legend2]

Double action: Boogaloo is actually a somewhat source version of the halflife mod the spacialist (which is really good). I think only like one of the og devs of the specialist is working on it so thats that. But yea, i can't stress enough how good the specialist was, it was more on the matrix side of things than max payne tho

[@JellyJman]

I love DAB great game!!

[@HypeRapEnjoyer]

The building site with MC Hammer on the radio! Memories!

[@HypeRapEnjoyer]

The Specialists actually has a really cool mechanic in 3rd person: If someone would not be visible in 1st person, they aren't shown in 3rd person either. Like if you're laying behind cover, you can't just spy people on the other side.

[@lampionmancz]

Not gonna lie, i am surprised that not many people talk about Alien Swarm, I remember playing it with friends when I was a kid and we loved it!

[@dxrkstrxbe7892]

6:19 "You've gotta be fucking kidding..."

[@lightly5363]

"...but then I had a very good idea: I used F5. See, using F5 gave me a whole new perspective, an in the third person mode I could see things I couldn't before."

[@shmook1507]

There's this Source mod called "Water - The Magical Mermaid Adventure," Its a good example of third-person in community mods.

[@Swattii]

Coming back to say Valve is making a 3rd person game!!!

[@LysDiethyl]

a very noteworthy third person source game that had some relevance back in its heyday but is completely dead and buried nowadays is Blade Symphony. sword-based fighting game made on the source engine, where you could freely download weapons from the workshop and they showed up for both players, also had free roaming and FFA battle modes. had a lot of fun with it, too bad on top of no more players the devs apparently turned it into a f2p microtransaction heavy mobile game-ish messy jamboree.

[@Famix]

I seem to recall that when developing Postal 3, Akella was working with Valve to change the engine. However, that went down the toilet when Postal 3 was moved to Trashmasters (their shovelware department) when Akella started laying off employees and was edited by them for some reason. If you find the "postal3videos" channel, one of the first videos shows the original third person mode and the player crouching. The leak in which beta stuff for TF2 and Half-Life was found in includes the original third persin, which had a toggle. In the final game, the third person is a tweaked first person camera with the player as the view model, while the beta was a tweaked third person mode edited to be more functional Some other features from the team working with valve include bodygroupped prefabbed NPCs with over 200 materials and bodygroupped flexes. Many other features were cut, sadly

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

"Who has ever played Alien Swarm even?" Me, who played about 4.3 hours of modded gameplay in Alien Swarm Reactive Drop: *Raises hand*

[@bj0urne]

2:16 He's on rollerskates😂

[@JackHP]

Gunning down richterOT was funny as fuck lol

[@johnreich1878]

Heh crosshairs? WHO NEEDS THAT?! Also funfact: I’m pretty sure the “Thirdperson” command was just lobbed in when Valve was constructing the hl2 engine from the HL1 engine as a base.

[@nienize]

Man your type of humor is perfect. I'm a fan now. Thank you

[@blokmotion]

duuude, your videos are so high quality. great job. so glad i was able to find this channel

[@jacobm92]

"who has ever played alien swarm even?" people who aren't 14? that game was pretty sick actually back in the day

[@nickster410]

ballin uncontrollably caught me off guard

[@untitled3685]

i was so ready to leave a comment about postal 3 thanks for not forgetting

[@thoughtguardian]

great video! just here to say alien swarm is one of my favorite games of all time. i wish it had been more popular. most of my experience was trying to convince friends to do runs with me.

[@fogdasher3795]

The majority of my source content is in Third p. and i did all of Black Mesa , Portal 1, and Mel in that mode. Love playing the games like that. Someday iw get to covering atleast HL2 with a proper Gordon model with acurate animations.

[@pde2619]

You're sick

[@blackyoshi1230]

Didn't the JP Arcade version of _Half-Life 2_ have a retail Gordon model? Or is the closest we even have to a modern official Gordon is in the ending of _Alyx?_

[@idoblenderstuffs]

lol double action boogaloo was my first ever fps game for some reason

[@Ogaitnas900]

great idea for a video, this was interesting!

[@finnpp9717]

This video came to my recomended never heard of you before so I decided to watch. I watched the whole video and checked out how many subs you have and it was a lot lower than I thought it would be. I hope you pop off or at least that this video goes viral

[@Cheeseb0ng]

Your video editing style is very pleasing

[@swifto12usedtobetaken]

6:03 just noticed a gun at the top of the list named sentinel 9, a gun leon was supposed to use in re6 and appears in resident evil vendetta and as a dlc in resident evil 4

[@steamedhams5554]

Dude your content is a literal heaven send of my autistic interests, god I pray for your content to soar you brillant eagle, seriously you have some real love put into your content!

[@zangl2955]

Based autist. I like ratlobber cuz he does autistic content but he’s also funny. You can tell he went outside and played with his cousins and shit as a kid, u feel me?

[@sheeppf5265]

mood

[@FloweringKnight]

There's Vindictus, which is an MMO entirely within Source engine. It's also 100% third person.

[@JamesTamesGames]

CSGO has many third-person convars that you can tweak to customize how the camera works. You can move the camera to be over-the-shoulder, tilt it any way you want, and even make it so that the crosshair lines up to where the shot will land (although it will never be fully accurate, since the bullets go from the player model, not from the camera model - divergent lines and all that)

[@Huberchet]

Thanks for using DnB as background music, mah favorite!

[@Brandor1gVOD]

You just earned a subscriber! I always wondered of the 3rd person modes in gmod,cs source, and tf2!

[@desktorp]

When Metal Gear Online was discontinued, I investigated making a clone using Source and quickly realized it was not as great of an idea as I had initially thought.

[@whattodo3116]

Yeah, Third person mode is pretty rudimentary in Source 2013, the ones Valve wants people to use to make mods. The camera often goes out of bounds, doesn't blur models when it hits something and some entities are broken with it enabled like point_camera, and if you want to use the platformer mode, you'd have to think of a smoothing algorithm to smooth the transition of the character model when you turn to an angle.

[@Chrysalairus]

6:39 listen postal 3 is bad but you can't say that when hunt down the freeman exists

[@CopGunGuy]

Vindictus, fluid third person hack n slash on source

[@narrow_pepsi]

There was a Mann vs. Machine server I used to go on a lot that had a third person mod and honestly shit adds a whole new dimension to TF2

[@CanadianPenguin_]

Dino D Day had good third person for the dinos, Also D.I.P.R.I.P. Warm Up has ok third person for a car based game.

[@weapponofchoice]

We call Gordon's playermodel Semper, and the only animation for Semper F. is him breathing

[@catie33336]

your videos definitely deserve more views and stuff, they are really good

[@KotatkoVonDrapek]

i love the 90s intros

[@indigodotradio]

I love the aesthetic

[@SrVerataro]

when you said theres one game commercially available... i realized wich one it was... and i dreaded that realization...

[@rsenjoyer7706]

Alien Swarm Reactive Drop : did you forget about me?

[@shadowraster7529]

This is a really well made video!

[@ygoreuspanes3898]

I’m really curious where you find your music and what inspired your video intros. They’re unlike anything Ive ever seen on youtube, and I just love the tracks you use. Do you have like, any clear points of inspiration for these things?

[@ratlobber]

i see a lot of people compare the intros to MDE/Adult Swim bumps but that isn't really what I aim for. i see the similarities though. sometimes i watch lot of late 90's VH1/MTV commercials to get inspired. the music just comes from a big catalog of mixes that i like. i don't know what every song is called otherwise i'd list them. thanks for watching friend

[@Wertyhappy27]

@@ratlobber Its just so, odd, to see lol

[@hypsal]

i don't know all the songs but here are a few for the people wondering 0:00 Noir FM - Midnight Heart 1:12 / 5:26 psiX - Endemic 3:44 Deadly Arts - Gouriki Stage Theme 4:45 psiX - Don't Give Up

[@ratlobber]

@@hypsal thank u very much my friend

[@mysteryY2K]

check out Jungle music, specifically intelligent jungle. breakcore too

[@snorrbrod]

Dude I really need the music used in section 2, sounds kinda like the Bomberman Heroes soundtrack but I’m not completely sure.

[@ratlobber]

gouriki stage theme from deadly arts N64

[@snorrbrod]

@@ratlobber Thank you my man

[@ugbu1g]

10000000 richter overtimes were harmed in the making of this film

[@BHMRmapache_ancestral_B5889]

0:01 oh yeah, jazz y little night

[@denalisun_]

A couple of years ago there was a third person LTM in Apex Legends, which runs off a modified Source engine.

[@qwiser123]

I know this video was about commercial titles, but the Half-Life 2 co-op mod, Synergy featured a great thirdperson mode which you could change to freely. It even had an object detecting crosshair, i.e it would show if you were aiming behind a corner but the corner was still in the way.

[@SteackDeLamasticot]

the third person intro in Underhell chapter 2 was pretty neat

[@nono-oz4gv]

double di- i mean double action boogaloo is hilarious with friends and really fun. i wish it wasnt as dead as my ancestors.

[@Crow_Rising]

The only reason I've ever played Alien Swarm was to get the TF2 hat, and I'd wager a lot of other people are in the same boat.

[@Kyora473]

"Valve will not use it this extensively again" Well yeah, that would require them to make a game.

[@ginger4103]

why am i learnin that the orange box has a sick ass trailer just now

[@Vincent654]

Amazing video! Great niche topic and nice narration! 😎🤙🏻

[@HeyItsJaydon]

i cant tell if the gmod part where the workshop is mentioned, if the search "furry" was made by will or if it was to show how... "weird" can the workshop get

[@TheLostProbe]

he probably sorted by "Most Recent", always bound to find stuff like that in there. or he deliberately searched up "furry" on the workshop just for the fun of it

[@dingusb9590]

not that bullets go where your crosshair is on CSGO anyway lmao

[@VincentiusTheSecond]

3:25 HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS?!??! THANKS RATMAN!

[@Thornskade]

I was so ready to type angry comment shouting "There's an official third-person for medieval mode in TF2!!" so good thing you had that intermission lol

[@synthesoul]

Loving this content my guy.

[@tommygun4552]

You deserve more, This channel is great