This $2,000 Hackintosh SMASHES the $4,000 Mac Studio

The Mac Studio is an impressive computer-but is it still the fastest Mac in 2023?
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[@paulandpedro]

Mentioning you used to be able to “create a hackintosh in minutes” lol. I’ve lost days of my time to debugging my hackintoshes over the years even with those “easy” tools. Appreciate the video, I’ve given up on the hackintosh dream and have been living the m1 life for a while now. I do miss the performance more often than I thought I would.

[@tbonedude12]

You know you can add an eGPU to Macs right? Throw a 4070 in there for your docking station haha

[@snazzy]

OpenCore takes a bit to get setup, but once they're setup, it's pretty darn seamless. I'm impressed with how far they've come.

[@krunge]

​​@@tbonedude12 but MacOS doesn't support Nvidia graphics cards that new?

[@sarem2001]

Almost every problem I have had with a hackintosh that wasn't just solvable by effort (like taking time to set up USB) has been with the GPU. Get a 580 or 5600XT/5700XT and test out boot flags. This goes for both AMD and Intel systems.

[@shawnmichaels5484]

Haha, it took 3months for me

[@StormXF3]

If you optimize the 13700K just right, you can get respectable efficiency! Mine gets a Cinebench score of 28000 with a power draw of just 165W. That's just a 7% loss of performance with a massive drop in power draw.

[@xerzy]

oh hey there, didn't expect you over here! 👀 Are you hackintoshing then, or was that Cinebench on Windows? Personally, I'm sure an AMD would have done much better here, *but* that's harder to setup with OpenCore if even possible, so it's good to hear there's room for a bit of power efficiency

[@TechLifeNow]

Yes Under Voltage CPU Help It. Same Performance 💖

[@davidg5898]

I get no performance loss from my 13700K with a Proxmox VM Hackintosh, Cinebench 30600 (same as when I bench it in bare metal Windows). Undervolted with the same low power draw as you. No tweaking/optimizing required.

[@tresderan10]

well well .. can you work in silence? I do and to me that is an achievement!!! and also do you have all that power on a battery? i guess not... hahaha

[@calinnilie]

@@davidg5898 How much do you undervolt it? I have a 13700K as well and haven't properly tuned it in yet.

[@tonelab77]

I planned on buying parts (today) for a 10th gen build, because I believed it was the last officially supported generation of Intel CPUs, but after seeing this, I may have to change that up. Thanks for the excellent video.

[@osamabinlaggin69]

To be honest considering that macos can't differentiate between p and e cores, is there any other significant reason to get the newer generation chip?

[@cinebenjamin]

@@osamabinlaggin69 MUCH higher IPC even on the E-cores.

[@toseltreps1101]

​@@cinebenjamin 13th gen e-cores are not faster than 10th gen p cores

[@J_Echoes]

​@@toseltreps1101 Yeah, but even without optimisation and proper scheduling, the improved single core and multicore is still there, as shown in all the benchmarks in the vid.

[@Z4KIUS]

@@osamabinlaggin69 when you do proper MT it doesn't need to know the difference, it matters mostly for games

[@obyrnedd]

Oh man you brought back memories of using a Hackintosh. I do not miss messing around with custom config files. Excellent work!

[@julian.morgan]

Just about finished upgrading my whole family's old Haswell based hackintoshes to 10th gen Intel and Big Sur - five PCs with my own PC triple booting. There's almost zero point (unless you really need it) bothering with Monterey or Ventura as Apple have been stripping out hardware driver support with each more recent version, with all the focus understandably being on M1 development - this can make things like bluetooth, wifi and even ethernet trickier to get working and less stable generally for no appreciable benefit since BIg Sur still got a recent security update. Also of course as Apple deprecate older hardware there's no point them including drivers for that hardware in a current OS - but from a hackintoshing point of view this limits your options. For me 10th gen Intel with Big Sur is the sweet spot. Also Quinn I'm not sure if you just lucked out or maybe you missed explaining that you can no longer fix your USB port limit issues AFTER installation with USB mapping - this needs to be done before you create the installer so you have your USBToolBox.kext and UTBMap.kext )or equivalent) - specific to the hardware you intend to install on - before you attempt to install. Far and away the easiest way of doing this is with USBToolbox - created by dhinakg of Opencore dev fame - on Windows. This is actually the biggest headache in the process IME, because you have to figure out which of your allowed 15 ports you're going to keep. Mind you its not that tricky as the 15 port limit is per controller and your higher end motherboards tend to have two or three controllers. Also it's pretty simple to sacrifice unused internal USB headers and also switch off the USB 3.0 port where you know you're only going to connect USB 2.0 or 1.1 devices or vice versa. Anyone interested should search for "chriswayg" on gitbook and "USB Mapping on Windows" - his Opencore Visual Guide is generally very good and highly recommended in conjunction with the Dortania guide.

[@shieldstv6056]

I just built almost EXACTLY this machine. The 13700k is a beast.

[@dominicaccardo8050]

NO WAY SAME. 13700k, nhd15s, torrent compact, 1000w good psu, 1tb 980 pro, AND i’m planning to upgrade to rdna2

[@snazzy]

Indeed it is!

[@robinenbernhard]

True 13700 super i got my self KF dont need onboard GPU

[@bootchoo96]

@@robinenbernhard iGPU is a godsend for Troubleshooting - my AMD doesn't have one and I stress for the day I'll have to troubleshoot

[@TomasRamoska]

​@robin & bernhard Big mistake iGPU can encode and decode multiple video codecs better than Nvidia RTX4090

[@itstheterranaut]

I used to build many a Hackintosh bitd on generic stuff using Clover Configurator etc. They all worked, sometimes quite well. And then I switched to cMP 5,1's for 6 or so years, all good, all supported with some tweaks. However, for the first time ever I've picked up some second hand PC stuff thats fairly supported, studied the Dortania guides and spent a week building a new Hack. And it just works, the guides are fantastic documents on how Macs work- some of the best written technical docs I've ever encountered.

[@bsenka]

I WASN'T planing to do a Hackintosh... until I watched this video! Now I'm seriously contemplating it! I honestly could not care less if it continues to support the latest MacOS. For stability and compatibility with software and peripherals, I always stay a minimum of 2 full versions behind current version anyway. The machine that I pay the bills with is still using Mojave, and I have no intention of updating that any time soon!

[@julian.morgan]

IMO Big Sur is the sweet spot amongst current OS versions for hackintoshing - this has to do with the drivers built in to Big Sur that were removed by Apple for Monterey and Ventura. It's not that you can't get things to work, they just aren't as stable - so I'm just about to downgrade my wife's hackintosh back to Big Sur from Ventura because she's been plagued with wifi and bluetooth disconnects. Of course such issues are very specific to the brand and model of the ethernet/wifi/BT card or NIC which depends on the motherboard. . Totally agree with staying well behind with Mac versions - people coming from Windows are understandably anxious to stay absolutely up to date, at least with security updates, but that's not been my experience on Macs for the last 30 years. Of course it depends on what kind of risks you take with stuff online. Up until recently I was also using Mojave - mostly because I have some 32bit control panels that control some audio outboard - but then I realised I could run the 32bit Windows versions of these via Crossover on Big Sur.

[@peppermintpig974]

Exactly. I still run a Yosemite hack. Rarely ever should your decision to build a hack be based on future OS upgrades. It should be based in part on whether the OS of choice supports your workflow and that there is a healthy development environment for software. I do tech support and my ethos is to make things faster/more stable without disrupting my client's workflow. Sometimes that means helping elderly people who still use floppy disks.

[@chimastudios]

@@peppermintpig974 that's impressive. and it runs without any crashes even today?

[@BrianJones-wk8cx]

Fun little experiment-thought about doing this many times. May still do it. That thermal difference is a huge difference in limited spaces. My 12700K/RTX 3080 rig heats up my space during the summer likes like a sauna. Not necessarily a reason to pick your platform, mind you, but a bit of a decision maker as to what device I boot up on any given day.

[@VaughanLehmann]

I built an 8th Gen HackMac using an i5-8600K on an MSI board with an RX Vega 56 GPU which worked great and was strangely easy to get working using OpenCore. Recently upgraded to an i9-9900K (2nd hand from ebay) for seriously improved performance. But, seeing your successful 13th Gen build has given me hope.... Sadly, I cannot afford Apple silicon just yet so I guess its time for another upgrade...

[@mrveink]

I bought a Mac Mini with a 10-core M2 Pro and I've been more than happy with it. I'm mainly a Linux user, but Asahi Linux drivers are in the works so I'll get back to Linux in a while. One of the major factors for getting this machine was the power efficiency, as here in the Nordic countries, electric costs have sky rocketed. I used to have an FX 8350 and an R9 390 and it drew so much power when just doing pretty lightweight tasks. My daily driver before the Mac Mini was an ASUS laptop with a Ryzen 7 3700U and the Mac crushes it. In a DIY xz compression tests the ASUS took 1758s to compress it when the Mac Mini did it in 864s, less than half the time. Decompressing that took 80s for the ASUS laptop and 32s for the Mac Mini. Yeah, not really saving that much in decompression, but as I have to compress software packages using `XZ_OPT=-e9` daily, it will save alot of time. When compiling LLVM using a custom build script, it took the ASUS laptop 82min when the Mac Mini did it in 9min. That's 11% of the time the ASUS laptop took do compiling it. The ASUS laptop was 800€ new and the Mac Mini 1480€ with a student discount, but that's still worth the money for me as I'm saving alot of time without having a bulky desktop (my room is under 9m^2 so space is limited) and having way lower power draw than my old desktop.

[@gearsgamer7115]

macs suck for os use,.

[@josephizang6187]

It would be great to get a detailed guide on how to build a hackintosh. Really enjoy your format of content. I always learn something.

[@budgetkeyboardist]

My biggest issue with a Hackintosh is that it's fool's gold. Some nerd talks you into putting together a Hackintosh for you, spends a day getting it up and running, leaves it with you, and everything's great until you run an OS update and the whole computer refuses to boot, and now you're entirely dependent on that one friend coming back to your house. Running a Hackintosh is for people who are fine with the idea of needing to hand-modify plist files and troubleshoot random issues that happen for no reason. It's cool for people who want to work ON their computer. That sounds like a slight but I don't mean it to. Some people like to tinker. Most people don't. I think it's a cool concept but I've seen regular people get talked into these and regret it.

[@segundacuenta726]

1) one could pay someone to install it. 2) why the need to update so often? Most people who want hackintoshes are for audio or video work with tons of ram and hard drive and fast, not for updating and installing new stuff that require an update. I think so.

[@budgetkeyboardist]

@@segundacuenta726 I'm not convinced that audio and video people don't want to do updates. Look at Logic Pro adding support for Dolby Atmos. However, I am a big fan of freezing a computer in time, for sure. You just have to ignore the new cool stuff, which can be hard.

[@leviathan5207]

At what point do you just get Linux or Windows instead?

[@kainushia1073]

built a hackintosh ventura last week for my old pc. 8th gen 8600k. i was surprised with the performance with the iGpu. Windows 11 22h2 was lagging in some apps but the same apps running smooth in the hackintosh.

[@yesiam6758]

Hey! If anyone is having trouble editing their plist files, you can always use the easy method (which is not mentioned in the OC documentation probably because they want you to know how all this works + easier to trouble shoot) is to use OC Auxillary tools. It basically does it all automatically for you + easy updates once you are set up too

[@massgrave8x]

Trust me when I say you are more likely to encounter issues when using those automatic configurators. It really is best to take the time to go through the official OpenCore documentation to follow each step in the process in full detail to ensure that you're setting up your install as compatibly as possible for your specific hardware.

[@peterelliott2914]

@@massgrave8x OCat is fine for a config.plist file from scratch, it's just when you get one that was made in propertree and then modify it in OCat. That's when it's dodgy.

[@tobiastesti]

I wouldn't consider the current state of Macs to be "the best Apple has ever made" when they're basically unrepairable in many ways and still have alot of thermal issues. I've been a Mac user for over 15 years and I'm here watching this video for a reason.

[@dog_knight]

The Open Core team have done some great work. I just recently used the Open Core Legacy Patcher to install Monterey on a Mid 2011 iMac that I upgraded the GPU on. Full metal support and everything works brilliantly. Next step is to upgrade the BT / WIFI adapter to allow support for Handoff / Airplay / etc.

[@RamonNunezRey]

I have a mid 2012 macbook pro do you think it is possible for me too to install monterrey too?

[@razzledev]

@@RamonNunezReyYup! I just Open Cored my Mid-2012 i5 MBP to Monterey and it works flawlessly. It’s smooth, drivers work, and there are no bugs that I have found.

[@kieranblacker]

I was using open core on my 2016 MacBook Pro, and everything was working fine, till it wasn’t! My MacBook froze and wouldn’t start! I had to wipe it and do a fresh install (I had a Time Machine backup). In my experience if you use your Mac for work school or anything important then treat lightly using open core. Other than that, have fun 👌

[@geinko]

Love this vid and not shying away from the details and explaining things in an approachable way.

[@AdamHansen95]

The entire time I was like, "yeah, but talk about performance per watt" and then you did, and i was like, "oh... I guess that really isn't much of a benefit," when you put it in terms of how long it will take to pay off the Mac Studio with the energy savings, it all made sense. I have a feeling like the more Apple increases the performance of each iteration of their in house silicon, they're also going to push that thermal headroom that they had going into this race, and eventually they'll be able to truly out perform a PC at the same power draw. But then they'll have to contend with the thermals of the machine, which they haven't been the best at when it came to intel based macs. Who knows, maybe they're doing R&D to figure that out.

[@thomasanderson5929]

That is assuming intel and amd stay stagnant. They won't.

[@massgrave8x]

@@thomasanderson5929 But we'd also have to account for future versions of macOS supporting x86_64, which I hope is the case for a while (considering they are still producing Intel Mac Pros), but none of us know for sure.

[@AdamHansen95]

@@thomasanderson5929that’s not exactly true given that the “outperforming M1 Ultra Mac Studio” was by relatively slim margins for the most part. Which could be closed by optimisations, a higher TDP, more unified memory, and whatever else Apple is doing with their processors. Which, might I add, is still in its infancy while Intel and AMD have been at the processor manufacturing game for ~13+ generations. Also, as far as the biggest gap (gaming) keep in mind we didn’t see the M1 Ultra performance, just the M1 Max. Also, also, let’s not forget to mention that Apple is on M2 right now, meaning M2 max and M2 Ultra could close the gap a little more. I’m not saying that Apple is going to win anytime soon, soon but I know we’re not too far off from that potentially being the case. Lastly, I also understand that this take comes with a lot of “ifs” and they’re really going to have to hunker down and get to work to get all the kinks, but in reality that’s all that’s in their way if they keep going the way they’re going.

[@eruannster]

While the performance per watt conversation is certainly a thing, I don't think it's as important as actual raw performance. If I'm actually using a computer for work, let's say I'm compiling code or rendering video, speed matters more. If a client or a director or someone is breathing down my neck and wants stuff done five minutes ago, I'd rather burn 700 watts of power to get done now than wait longer and brag to them about how power efficient my computer is.

[@AdamHansen95]

@@eruannster right, but it is important for future purposes because if they can still squeeze more performance into a smaller TDP that’s still a good thing. Not to mention, that just gives them more headroom if they want to push the M series chips as hard as it can go in the future. Of course, Apple will never let overclockers touch it, but it is still innovative to know that you can get similar performance with less power draw, and maybe intel or AMD can learn a thing or two. Which they have! Which is why intel started implementing Performance and Efficiency cores into their processors

[@SeriouslyJaded]

You forgot to mention how quiet Macs are - I really cannot overstate how awesome it is to have quiet at my desk since I switched to apple silicon from my old Intel laptop.

[@thomgizziz]

Depends on which one... the studio gets louder than gaming notebooks...

[@DiverseGreen-Anon]

@@thomgizziz and you could decide for passive cpu coolers if you want absolutely 0 noise (only maybe coil whine if even..) And "old intel laptop" is not a good comparison in my opinion as nearly all "old" laptops were pretty loud imo and mostly changed in noise pitch (thinkpads and macbooks were deeper for example) today nearly every manufacturer tries to get it as thin as possible and then put some cooling in it which often is at its limit and smaller/thinner fans often have higher, more annoying pitch. Many modern laptops can run passively cooled if not much power is needed and the hardware is under a certain threshold. So I can watch youtube and write documents on an rog flox x13 (amd tho, not "old intel") without the fans even spinning. 🤔

[@davidecava525]

Great video, Quinn. I just sold my old Ryzen 3900X/5700XT hackintosh rig and assembled an all white NZXT build, same i7 13700K as yours and a reference black 6950XT. It looks clean and has phenomenal performance for the price. Was going to install Ventura today on one of the NVMEs and your video just came out at perfect timing. I totally agree on your vision about the future of Hackintosh. This may actually be my last one as well; can’t beat an M1 Ultra killer at half price.

[@szymonm38]

I had a hackintosh bulit on my Ryzen 7 5800X chip. Due to its overall loudness and power draw, i switched to an M2 Air with 10-core GPU 512SSD and 16 gigs variant. I think that many people who bulid hackintoshes will someday buy a "real" mac.

[@DarkPa1adin]

like me. I bought MBP M1 Pro

[@dmug]

OpenCore is such a godsend for old Macs as well. I don't know if I'd say OpenCore is "easy" for the average user but it's such an improvement. If OCLP expands or forks to PC hardware, it could be easy. Ironically I still edit on FCPX on my Mac Pro 2019 over my M1 Max too thanks to issues.

[@ajaxr]

OCLP is a macOS patcher that will allow older macs to run macOS again. Yes it can allow older pc hardware to run too but it won’t create the necessary stuff like your EFI to boot macOS on your PC…

[@dmug]

@@ajaxr the main thing is it’s a configurator, and if that experience comes to the pc side of things where you can create an OpenCore instance automatically by hardware detection, then it’d be truly easy

[@jondonnelly3]

Yeah I still use my 2013 macbook air and its never worked better under Ventura. 4gb ram, 2 cores and 128gb storage with samsung T7 1tb.

[@JohnSmith-qy1wm]

You probably can't wake up that Thunderbolt port from sleep either, unless that long-standing issue has been resolved. Folks should also make sure they read the install guides before buying stuff. There are a lot of hardware compatibility concerns and issues so verify the parts you want will work.

[@dash8brj]

I have a hackintosh using opencore and an AMD 5900X processor, 6900XT GPU and 64 gig ram. The thing flies. Cooling is a custom loop with mostly EK gear so it also runs pretty silen. But its huge, compared to a mac studio anyway (Fractal Design Define 7 chassis).

[@mrajewicz]

What model of 6900XT did you use? Did you have to do the device id spoofing?

[@aaronpeterson9887]

I've never had a macintosh that just works.

[@BNGamesYT]

Bought the MBP16 M2 Pro a ew months ago, likely will stay on this for the time being. The lack of future support kills my interest in building one of these.

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

I honestly just stopped using Mac altogether. Not interested in ARM or their locked up OS. The Intel based ones at least had way more options.

[@jimcabezola3051]

For almost a year, I used OpenCOre Legacy Monterey on my 2011 Mac MIni. It was amazing. Now that I have an M1 Mac Mini, I converted the 2011 Mac Mini to a Mint 21.1 Cinnamon machine. Both of these machines together have more oomph that I could ever use.

[@nster3]

Definitively didn't think this was possible, it's definitively been idealized in the KZbin tech world. Still, for laptops, the power efficiency really shines! And with the base M2 mini, there is some price/perf to be had as well. When the base M1 Pro 14" Macbook Pro came out, with its gorgeous screen and performance, it was really above everything else. Now that AMD is coming out with its 7840HS/U, and laptop manufacturers have much better screens and whatnot than back then, the competition has caught up. Still, for the people who bought it when it came out, the MBP is really aging gracefully

[@Pushing_Pixels]

You can even get that Mac Mini footprint with the new AMD APUs as well. Several companies are selling NUC sized PCs powered by high-end Mobile APUs with DDR5 and RAID NVMe drives at very reasonable prices.

[@claytonjames4779]

Dude, this video should be titled, understanding hackintosh. These things that you described I did not understand like the ahci and patching were valuable because I've been doing some of these things not really understanding how the pieces fit together but that they are simply necessary. Thank you for this

[@falcongunner33]

I love your stance on M1. For me M1 is great but waaaaay overhyped. The only real benefit from M1 for most users is the great battery life for notebooks. But I look forward to what it’s potential is.

[@GlobalWave1]

It’s awesome for small for factors such as laptops and it’s media engines for well certain media.

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

Isn’t the whole point of a laptop having great battery life 😂 Otherwise, why do laptops have batteries?

[@myp0h]

100% true. I believe that m1 macs are only good for battery and slight improvement in speeds. I want to get rid of my macbook pro m1. I do prefer Windows interface over mac os

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

@@myp0h if you prefer window OS, then you were never really a mac user. It has nothing to do with the laptop.

[@falcongunner33]

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu M1 specifically offers much better battery life compared to previous intel versions. A real plus for those that are cross shopping

[@MalcolmREBORN]

This is a KZbinr that’s passionate about tech. The video was informative.

[@davidg5898]

I switched from bare metal to VM hackintoshing. *SO* much easier to set up. Performance equal to bare metal (better than bare metal for intel 12th and 13th gen, because the Linux host deals with heterogeneous core CPU scheduling). The only sacrifice is setting aside a few GB of RAM for the VM host. But RAM is cheap right now.

[@roscoecoltrane6867]

Want to share your exact setup for those that want to go down this path?

[@davidg5898]

@@roscoecoltrane6867 The beauty of VM Hackintoshing is that the exact setup isn't really important. If you want to use a modern GPU, it has to be a compatible AMD card, but the rest of the specs/hardware doesn't really matter. Most people get the best results with Proxmox, QEMU, or ESXi.

[@aoleonthemartiangirl3663]

Awesome video! You should do an HP Ultra Mini PC hackintosh because that’s the similar footprint. For me though the M1 Mini is awesome, and it doesn’t currently give me any reason to want to build a hackintosh since I have a separate dedicated windows gaming PC. I run both my M1 Mini and my gaming PC on the same 55” LG OLED TV and I can switch between them with a single click of the remote. I did build a hackintosh back in 2016 because I was using it for heavy 3D computer graphics work, and I needed 128GB ram and multiple Xeon processors. But now, the M1 Mini is more than powerful enough to meet my needs. And stability on that old hackintosh was not good, and it was a pain in the butt to build and maintain. Also with the development of crossover for the mac, on the latest M2 Studio Ultra you can come close to getting frame rates on windows games that matches my current dedicated NVIDIA 3080TI Windows gaming PC. So I don’t see myself building another windows gaming PC in the future as I will probably end up getting an M3 Max Ultra and just running crossover instead. Also Windows 11 sucks. I’m still on Windows 10 because I can’t stand Windows 11.

[@QuentinStephens]

Interesting. I'd like to see the performance of a Hackintosh with a new 56 core Xeon W with loads of RAM - at least 256 GB. Obviously it's going to be vastly more expensive than a Mac Studio, but how about a comparable Mac Pro?

[@post-leftluddite]

Just read a review on that new 56 Core Xeon by Puget Systems, and unfortunately, the Intel chip gets beat by the Threadripper Pro despite the fact that Zen3 is several years old at this point

[@FoxxFire]

This is the smartest Mac/Apple-centric channel on KZbin, IMO (Rene Ritchie is certainly honorable mention, but his videos were different and now far fewer since he's gotten the new gig at KZbin). I know you don't care, Quinn, but these are the type of videos that will cause Apple to never allow you to review products early, which is such a damn shame. Anyway, i appreciate your putting a review out weeks or even more than a month after a product's release since it's always a fresh, educated take on the product. Nonetheless, not getting a product early prevents a precious first impressions-type video, which would likely receive significant viewership and thus revenue. This is a very long-winded and confusing way to say I appreciate the work you do, putting videos like these out to help viewers at your own expense. Have a great night man.

[@radiantav]

The best moment to build a Hackintosh was two years ago. I built 4, everyone in the house use their own and they will pay off in a year or two when it will be time to move to M series Macs. My 5900X based machine is still fantastic daily driver for Xcode and I will move to Mac when it becomes an issue. Which is not looking to be this year.

[@princebanini]

I love how you explained everything....also your personality.

[@jshi3]

This is a highly in-depth and well informed video. Great job!

[@djbabyboi]

We want a proper video guide on Hackintosh using Opencore from A to Z! Please?

[@themacintoshnerd]

I think the other issue with a hackintosh now a days is the fact that in the low end the Mac Mini is actually competitive now. 500 dollars with the education discount and I don't think a better value could have been had.

[@Piipperi800]

Sidecar can be made to work using the FeatureUnlock kext

[@retronymph]

Never been a huge Mac fan but opencore might convince me to give it a shot.

[@RandomUser2401]

any current M1/M2 Mac should _really_ convince you. They are awesome machines, espeically the Macbook Pros. Period.

[@engineeingnerd]

Only for noobs

[@ImpiantoFacile]

I quit hackintoshes the day MultiBeast and UniBeast were no more, too much hassle with OpenCore.

[@jondonnelly3]

Dont do it for real production work.

[@catalin0504]

This is basically the same as the new console generation trope. When they come out due to their new and custom architecture that sacrifices modularity for raw performance, it is jaw-dropping. One year later you can beat it.

[@flamingkillermc2806]

This is the content that I subscribed to.

[@theodoros_1234]

8:59 Those messages🤣🤣🤣

[@NathanMillerVisuals]

I am using a 2006 Mac Pro case for my PC right now and I love it. But that Fractal case is looking really nice too. You may have gotten me to switch to that lol.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

Ooh, I should buy an ancient, dead Mac Pro just for the case. Thanks for the tip 🙂

[@NathanMillerVisuals]

@@Pushing_Pixels fun project if your work is just tossing them out.

[@Garrettdx1988]

I wasn’t going to build a Hackintosh but now I’m certainly tempted

[@the_fedorable]

Really impresive stuff. Makes me want to try it out. Also, real quick. It just works is very much a troupe. I work in an enterprise environment and I have learned first hand that it very much does not just work. Maybe for home users but not in my enterprise enviornment. It's honestly something I really wish Apple would address because the genral vibe I've gotten from them when talking to them is that that they just don't care.

[@nickn1991]

The direction that Linux for desktops, not servers, should pursue is macOS, not Windows. the disadvantage of macOS was that it had to use Apple hardware.

[@GrupaWroclawPL]

I made it HACK on a Z690 board, it works under Ventura without any problems with 12th gen i5, I use the comp for Photoshop, mainly for heavy PSB files, I decided on this option because of cheap ddr4 RAM, 128 GB costs "pennies", most importantly NVME 4gen, reaches speeds above 10 Gb/s in raid, Total energy consumption under stress is approx. 170W when working at PS approx. 100W. I have been a Mac user for over 20 years, I always bought new Power Macs and later Mac pro products. They worked and still work without any problems, but after MP 6 something started to happen and these computers, despite their excellent performance, started to cost x2, offering much fewer extensions to the previous generation. For now, I treat it as a test platform, but after a month of work, nothing has happened, it works like a regular Mac.

[@KlavierGayming]

i'd personally say that they wouldn't bother re-making DSMOS, controllers and other things just because a couple macs have the T2. They'll just build an x86 binary, adding x86 support as usual and not wasting their time with rewriting all security for the T2 for an architecture apple considers to be obsolete

[@yazzmatazz86]

I currently daily drive a spec'd out 2019 16" MBP. Currently dual-booting windows (for gaming) and macOS (for everything else). I think my next big system purchase could very well be to build this hackintosh, very likely out of used components. I love that you did this and I hope a Hackintosh is as stable as you claim it is. Also, thanks for pointing out how weird reviews of apple computers are. When the M2 macbooks were released I was confused as to why reviewers were hailing them as "the best laptops ever" when laptops with 40 series GPUs were already out and easily outperforming M2 macbooks.

[@hhkk6155]

Yup, apple grafix is a joke, 38 cores of sheet😂😂😂

[@jameswallace6249]

This is a great video but I wish you had compared it to the 2019 Mac Pro. Reason being these are now available on the used market for around 2/3rds of the retail price and can also dual boot to windows with the advantage of the same GPU support. I’m considering selling my hackintosh and Mac mini to consolidate into one Mac Pro dual booted

[@markaceto]

There are some geekbench multi core scores with a 7,1 running a 13900 that destroy all other Mac’s and almost every PC. I need to confirm compatibility but my god it would be epic to install a 4090 for bootcamp (and whatever AMD card for macOS).

[@jameswallace6249]

@@markaceto I think they are a completely different socket as the cpus are different sizes

[@thecrownedclown9656]

i did this... 7950x 64gb ram, prime x670e pro wifi 6800xt. Beautiful, fast , solid and a great Ryzentosh.

[@whoisthecoppacnk]

The music at 01:00 slaps. Added even more class to the channel!

[@cinebenjamin]

Thanks man!

[@RealStuntPanda]

I've got a spare mini-ITX i7-7700K in a tiny case just sitting in a corner doing nothing, you've inspired me to turn it into a hackintosh just for the giggles.

[@adityalindson]

This was so interesting to watch, I honestly also look forward to Apple doing stuff with eGPUs. They are a great way for people to upgrade their existing Macs with much better GPU. We have thunderbolt 4 and stuff now, stuff is so fast. Let us have eGPUs!

[@thomgizziz]

not going to happen... you dont understand apple do you?

[@adityalindson]

@@thomgizziz well, they had eGPU support until Apple silicon so…

[@zestynotions]

I liked the fairness of how this was all compared. watt / power and needs / wants :)

[@ImJBlu]

I recently got an old pc from an office and I really want to hackintosh it over the summer but it seemed like an overly complicated process until I watched this well timed video

[@rivvvers]

Specifically speaking about the energy consumption comparison segment, running a PC at 500 W/h would break the bank in England at the moment if you’re a regular PC gamer. Electricity cost kWh in the UK atm is insane.

[@Kawooya]

I've just built a hackintosh with used eBay parts: 7980XE + Delid + Liquid Metal + Copper IHS + Kryonaut Extreme @ 4.6GHz, 3.0GHz Mesh 64GB GSkill DDR4 3200 16-18-18-38 T2 @ DDR4 3733 18-22-22-28 T1 Gigabyte X299 Designare EX + Modded bios fully unlocked options w/ pre-spectre microcode Ice Giant ThermoSiphon BeQuiet Silent Base 802 - Modded with an angle grinder to fit ThermoSiphon in inverted layout 5x 10TB WD External HDD's shucked 4x 2TB SanDisk 3D SATA SSD 1TB Samsung 970 Pro (seems to work without TRIM issues in Ventura) AMD Instinct MI25 flashed with raspberry Pi to WX9100 BIOS 1000W Corsair PSU which is overloaded on a regular basis. Drawing ~650W CPU only load and ~550W GPU only. Combined is a no go 😂 Cinebench R23: ~27000 Geekbench 5: ~1300 single, ~19000 multi

[@TheArpage]

It also smashes the electricity bill at the end of the month 🤣

[@josh8106]

Are you implying that the decreases power consumption makes up for the $2000?

[@snazzy]

15:05

[@osamabinlaggin69]

Never heard anybody buy a $4000 to save electricity... Besides the hackintosh doesn't have abnormally high power consumption compared to other PCs, it's just that the mac has very low power consumption.

[@PvtAnonymous]

@@snazzy never heard of Germany, huh?

[@mckidney1]

​@@PvtAnonymous Do not be dumb, even in Germany it does not pay and last 20% of performance cost way more tah 20% power. Check out your own deBauer

[@HennieV]

the metaphore you used with the conductor and musician is so fire. love that

[@X-OR_]

X86 is Dead, Arm and RISC-V is the future !!!

[@keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst]

arm can do many tasks well, but x86 is what you use to design the arm

[@ernstoud]

Only if Microsoft provides Windows for RISC-V. Yes, it is available for ARM but not mainstream. The year of “Linux for desktop” has not come and probably will not happen in your lifetime.

[@X-OR_]

@@ernstoud I Agree !

[@yuriblanc8446]

I used to make my hackintosh but when they announced ARM migration it just doesn't make any sense.

[@agcouper]

I used to have Hackintosh back in the Clover days. Still remember the pain of installing system updates.

[@paulwaldrop]

I turned my Dell Latitude 5480 into a dual boot (win10/sonoma) system. I did upgrade the system to 32 gb of RAM. It runs better and more stable than my 13" macbook pro. Worth the extra effort that it took.

[@MalcolmOwen]

1:08 "Ma. MA! I'm in a KZbin video!"

[@HowdyFolksGaming]

Something else to consider is the heat that gets dumped into whatever room you are in. If you live in a hot and humid environment, the M1/M2 based machines will not contribute much to your AC bill. There’s a reason I leave my Mac on 24/7 but only turn on my Gaming PC when I’m actually gaming, especially in the summer 😂

[@LaskyLabs]

I was considering building a hackintosh, but then I saw that the trashcan Mac pros came down in price a lot, and those fit my needs quite well. If it can easily run Photoshop, Lightroom, iZotope RX, and Logic Pro, then I'm good.

[@AY-gf3jq]

5he strength of Apple comp is that you Don't have to mess with all the quirks of installation and maintenance. You buy, you set it, it works, period.

[@yoyosan999]

FCPX was the main reason I tried Hackintosh. Nowadays I just use Davinci Resolve in all my computers, regardless of the OS.

[@PaulYatim]

5:24 Arc web browser appears! :D

[@xliquidflames]

I used to keep Windows, Ubuntu, and MacOS on all my daily driver machines and boot into whatever OS best suited my workload for that day. I haven't installed MacOS in a long time, though. I think I'm going to try it again. Ya talked me into it. I'm going to make some room on my hard drive and see if I can get this to work. It would be nice to have that third option again when I want to edit a video or record my guitar. Windows does fine for that but I really love the MacOS options for media editing. Thanks for making this video. I had no idea this was a thing.

[@AlMarche90]

I doubt that until the transition is complete we'll see a T2-only macOS release. Remember, the 21.5" iMac never had a T2 chip, and the 27" one only got it in its final release.

[@deltoncbaker]

I purchased the M1 MAC Studio when it first came out. I also purchased their keyboard with the key pad combo. I quickly discovered the keyboard’s number pad did get recognized by the OS. I went online and asked tech support about my problem. They thought I had purchased counterfeit products for my Mac. I had to proved to them I had purchased them directly for the Apple website. They had me reboot into a safe mode and put me on hold for about an hour. They thought they could change the keyboard listed in the settings, but there were no options for any other keyboard. They came back a said they didn’t know how to fix it. I don’t think they knew anything about how computers work at all. It wasn’t on their check list so they were totally lost. I notice you use the keyboard without the number pad, but I was wondering by chance you know how fix my problem, or who to ask about my problem.

[@tobyglyn]

When a failed SSD or even RAM requires a full logic board replacement, complete with everything and costing an arm and a leg, the costs of owning a current M series Mac can easily become a nightmare. Couple that with the just 12 months warranty Apple offers, unless you want to spend even more to bump that up to 3 years and a hackintosh at half the price of the Mac looks very good.

[@nobrainerneeded4229]

I have just dumped my Hackintosh in favour of unfortunately W11. Regrettably after update to Ventura, my Hackintosh wouldn’t see any of my USB MIDI devices. Trust me lads I tried everything nothing worked. Now it’s just time to save some cash for updated MacStudio to M2. It was fun ride as I got almost everything working except audio for some reason at first time. Had it for over 3 years, so it was a good run :)

[@ghostraider4312]

I went with hackintosh for my latest build. I wanted the luxury of macOS but needed also Windows for gaming. I ended up getting a Gigabyte AORUS B660M with Intel Core i5 12600K with AMD Radeon RX 6650 XT and wow its amazing! I know the hackintohshing days are numbered but its just the best bang for your buck. Why have 2 computers when 1 can do both! 😊

[@the.wanginator]

Wow, I literally asked the Hack reddit about 10th/11th vs 12th/13th gen for a desktop hack! Thank you for doing this!

[@SandManGamin]

Can you please make step by step detailed video from start to finish for this setup. Please.

[@LazyBayes]

He's not kidding that the Hackintosh process is fairly nuanced. One thing to be aware of is that not all motherboards are created equal. I use the ASUS Crosshair Hero (AM4), and while it is a good motherboard, it absolutely will not work with automated USB mapping tools. I had to use an XHC remap file in the ACPI folder to get the I/O to work. Also, I had issues with hardware conflicts and freezing because SSDT Time apparently didn't cover all the necessary bases. I didn't have a smooth running machine until I found someone on the AMD OSX website who knows more than me and used their EFI.

[@MickeyMishra]

I have been out of Macs for so long. But for some reason? That is where I always felt the most creative. There is just something about MacOS that just brings creativity to the table. The Hakintosh has always been for people who demand EXTREME Performance. And you can still get that if you custom build. For the rest of us? Its just fun to try it out. Lord knows we got a LOT of mac gear already for our daily drivers.

[@technocatdance]

efficiency is great but there are so many other ways you could make up for a power hungry computer in your home like using an air fryer instead of a large giant over to bake your food, air dry more of laundry etc don't know that I am that worried about the power consumption tbh

[@matthewmastrobuono582]

I’ve been using a hackintosh as my studio computer along side a MacBook Pro since 2008

[@thechrissmartin]

Superb work doing this video, quite surprising results....wanted to see latest hardware performance in hackintosh.

[@icantgivecredit871]

I always like your sensible approach to topics like this; you're neither bashing Apple Silicon, nor using its extreme power efficiency to suggest that it beats out all available Intel chips. You also rightfully acknowledge that Apple's equivalent of the 13700K has yet to be released. When that day comes, I do think the Hackintosh will have met its end for good reason. Until then, those dissatisfied with the 2019 Mac Pro may still have a compelling reason to build a Hackintosh in 2023. What I hope is that Apple does not hold back with the Apple Silicon Mac Pro. The fact that they intend on keeping the existing chassis says a couple of things. Firstly, it would be a waste to can it (and this admittedly may be the main reason, if nothing else); but, hopefully, the true reason would be that they intend on filling the volume that the 2019 chassis has to offer. That said, there's also the possibility that Apple takes a conservative approach and concludes that the Mac Pro is too boutique of an item for that sort of investment. They indeed may feel that they've recaptured enough creative professionals with the Mac Studio et al.

[@sloanNYC]

I love that your cooler is bigger than the whole Mac Studio. LOL It always makes you wonder how great the Mac platform could be if they made some simple towers like the old G3s and let people have more flexibility...

[@TimeNai0o0]

I have a i3-12100f and a RX 5500 XT running MacOS Sonoma. But the HDMI audio is not working. My monitor has built-in speakers so I want them to be used. My motherboard's audio jack is working but HDMI audio isn't working. How can I fix this??

[@Tom-kl9jf]

the main reason I have an OpenCore Hackintosh is I like using MacOS as a daily driver, but I also like playing games, so I dual boot with Windows. this sort of simplifies my life (apart from the fear of breaking stuff when I install Mac updates), and is cheaper than 2 computers. I have a 10700k, a 6800xt, and an Apple Broadcom wireless card, and everything works apart from a few USB ports due to the aforementioned port limit

[@parihar-shashwat]

I found a youtuber who does hackintosh on any intel based pc. He did it for me and the cost was very affordable. I am now using ventura on hackintosh machine.

[@FPVwineUK]

Just spent 2 days upgrading to a RX 6600 XT and 5600.... I was missing the smallest Bootarg code for the GPU... 2 days of kernal panics. If you have the money, just buy a mac, if you love tinkering and learning about computers and code and have A LOT of spare time - hackintosh! Another great video on the subject, sad when it dies.

[@Okand2]

I just got the base M2 mac mini as a simple browsing and sysadmin machine instead of running my loud and warm gaming PC. It's fantastic for that.

[@slob5041]

This is more for people that have employees and don’t want to pay the ridiculous power draw or worry about technical headaches. I think it’s enterprise focused

[@Watchandlearn91]

This is why I run Ubuntu on the desktop for my regular workstation and I use Mac laptops. I find that these Apple silicon laptops are the best laptops you can buy and it's not even close. But on the desktop side of things, they are not competitive with the competition in terms of performance and software compatibility. I built my desktop with a 3070 TI, 128GB ram, an i7-13700K, and 6TBs of SSD space. All for around half of the M1 Ultra studio and it kills it in everything but video editing which I don't do.

[@RaphaelSouzha]

I have a Xeon 2670 v3 running at 3.1 GHz on macOS Ventura 13.5.1. I use hackintosh about 15 years now, and will use if I can.

[@Alan.livingston]

Always wanted to build a hackintosh. I’ve known a bunch of people that have and it’s not something I’d use for anything other than a tinker toy.

[@d-katalyst3732]

I have an intel Mac mini and use it to run an external 6900xt for machine learning trials. Works great.

[@soilent9618]

I'd be curious what the numbers are like when you match the price of the Mac. If this thing can keep up with it at $2000, what could a $4000 machine do?

[@helloukw]

Not much much more, replace CPU with 13th gen i9 and GPU with 6950 XT, as I don't think 7000 series AMD work, but I could be wrong. Other than that more ram like 128 GB but it wont make it faster per se. Also more storage, maybe faster storage.

[@segundacuenta726]

192gb ram or more 4tb gen5 nvme or raid 0 of many gen4 drives, threadripper workstation perhaps dual gpu for faster rendering? just a few examples