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[@other2494]

Ryzen 3300X: "Wait I am an entry-level CPU?" AMD: "Yes, why?" Ryzen 3300X: **looks at 7700K** "Are you _sure_ ?"

[@xFluing]

Well yeah it is, the joke should be more like this i7 7700k "wait i'm a high end cpu?" Intel: "yes, why?" i7 7700k: "are you *sure*?"

[@gizzmo722]

So is my 8700k..wanted to sell it to get a 3000series ryzen ,but no one is willing to pay more then 150bucks for it... i can understand that.. but its a pain

[@Madinyo]

@@gizzmo722 il pay you 180 for it

[@Losbandit]

my 6700K 😆RIP!

[@wargames43]

in the netherlands my CPU i7 4790K still goes voor 200-250 euro's at times might just sell this chip to jump ship on time

[@Alorand]

Can't wait until we have this level of competition with GPUs...

[@justanameonyourscreen5954]

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[@dundun9731]

Wait for big navi

[@opgaquatics5609]

@@dundun9731 I think we need another company besides Nividia, AMD, and intel making GPU's and CPUs wish we had more options.

[@Alorand]

@@opgaquatics5609 There's been rumors of Huawei getting into GPU development.

[@milaandahiya]

@@Alorand they already make their own CPUs, just only for mobile devices for now.

[@didisenpai5562]

7700K : im still a gaming king 3300X : hold my thermal paste

[@robinsonxiang8169]

probably sounded funnier in ur head

[@EnhancedTrashBin]

@F u c o But sarcasm

[@DDR84DDR]

Some things do sound funnier in your head and thats funny. I get you bro.🤙

[@robinsonxiang8169]

@F u c o thats what I thought

[@husk1c]

@@robinsonxiang8169 the usual braindead kid who has no comeback and just replies with ok, what can you do against those low iq kids

[@afelias]

I love how "i5 is enough" has turned into "R3 is enough". Really makes you feel good about the progress of technology.

[@gogetablue7905]

Yeah and its still evolving and improving... Time is fast...

[@lancelindlelee7256]

More of, a competitive market feels good.

[@whyers4782]

I understand why i7 or r7 are overkill now, Earlier i underestimated the power of my i5 9400, I thought it would go to its knees paird with an rtx 2060 super, turns out it handles an rtx 3080 like a champ, little bottleneck tho

[@fordrollhaus9086]

AMD: You are a budget CPU, ok? 3300x: No

[@redeemer18]

Facts 😂🙌✌

[@M34ZZ]

W

[@SuperLotus]

I read your comment in the voice of Homer 🍩

[@ligerstripe99]

Better meme. AMD: you're a budget cpu. 3300x: who decided that??

[@camehere1228]

More like "Yes, but no"

[@eschaton7813]

It'd be great if AMD was able to bring Nvidia's pricing down like they've been managing to do with Intel -- especially with better budget options.

[@macpoopum7124]

good things take time. let's hope in a few years time we see 'budget AMD gpu beat nvidia 2080ti"

[@noble7608]

They have for the low end for sure. 4 years ago I had a 750ti which costed me 130 USD and a year ago I got an RX 570 for 110 USD despite 3 years passing. The 570 is twice the performance of the 750ti so there has been change for sure.

[@Duuggen]

They already have in the mid-range. Because of 5700 and 5700xt nvidia announced their their "super" lineup to bring the competition in line with them. And once AMD announced 5600xt for 279, Nvidia dropped the RTX 2060 from 349 to 299 (effectively killing their whole 1660Ti lineup of cards)

[@lamboronald489]

Nvidia is not as stupid as intel tho

[@ssu7653]

@@lamboronald489 Its not just about smart/stupid, there is a reason we only have 2 companies for cpu or gpu worldwide... I know there are more companies making gpu and cpu, but they are not even close to what amd was in "the dark days" before ryzen as far as performance is concerned. This includes Intel (integrated) gpu

[@JamesMBC]

Man, what a beating AMD is giving to Intel. It's almost hard to watch. But the consumer wins :)

[@Baffuteagle]

But why in pre build PCs, which is what most consumers buy, Intel still dominates? On pre build PC, AMD is still very fringe. Seems AMD only dominating the much smaller enthusiasts PC build market.

[@TP4554]

@@Baffuteagle because the overwhelming majority of people buying pre built PCs don't have a clue about components nor do they want to spend any amount of time learning about any of that. That's the reason they buy a pre built PC. They want to tell a salesman what they want to run on it and hope the salesman tells them "this can run that". Also since people who would even consider buying a pre built PC usually buy one every 15 to 20 years Intel's dominance from the early days (which very much used to be a thing back then) still lingers. TLDR: Nobody who knows anything about components buys a pre built PC.

[@gatirenan]

until AMD dominates the market haha

[@nauticalcreations7647]

@@TP4554 Not the case always. My Friend whom researched these parts for very long and wanted to a nice PC gave me the Specs he wanted and I built it for him[with an extra fee of course] because he did not have the time for building and setting up a PC. I did it for him. Now, can you say it was a prebuilt? technically yeah, It was built by me for my friend so a custom pre-built.

[@NiekNooijens]

@@TP4554 my dad doesn't want to know anything about those parts, but he asked me to get him a laptop. I took the fastest laptop i could find for 500 euros and i ended up with an AMD ryzen 5 3500U 8gb of ram, and a 512gb SSD. given that his previous laptop was an AMD A6 of 6 years old, he was impressed with the speed.

[@DJ_PROMO_PR]

The real achievement here is being able to go on Amazon and actually buy one of these cpu's or any computer parts for that matter.

[@colevallance8889]

For real everything is going out of stock 😂

[@mackieincsouthsea]

Literally non existent right now huh!

[@sunspot5]

Mackieinc 89 For real I can’t find a 3300X literally ANYWHERE heck even reselling sites for used parts don’t even have them

[@gkgames7589]

@@sunspot5 dude just use newegg everything is in stock lmao

[@sunspot5]

@@gkgames7589 The 3300X isn’t in stock

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

Correction: AMD Ryzen does support AVX and AVX2 instruction extensions - same as Core i7 9x00 series. They just don't support AVX-512, but neither do mainstream Intel 9x00 chips.

[@veemyu]

Eren Kotan he means TSX instructions

[@emu071981]

@@veemyu Cinebench does not support TSX as far as I know. The only consumer program that I can find that actually supports it is RPCS3 (a Playstation 3 emulator) and there is a reference on Microsoft's website on how to disable TSX in Windows. Jay more than likely did mean to say AVX (it is one of the improvements of Cinebench R20 over R15) and I was surprised to hear him mention that AMD does not support it (they do). Jay even mentions it again in the 3D mark portion of the video... :|

[@blunden2]

@@emu071981 Yes, this was just him being misinformed.

[@richretrochan]

@@veemyu No he said AVX and he meant it, which is a bit scary. If you listen on to 10:04 he doubles down on his lack of understanding about which chip supports which instructions

[@r33gg]

I believe AMD has had AVX since FX CPUs if I'm correct.

[@raresmacovei8382]

8:45 "AVX instructions don't exist on AMD" Ryzen 3100/3300X which both have AVX and AVX2: I beg your pardon? EDIT: Even Bulldozer, FX 8120, from 2011, supports AVX1.

[@patrickshelley09]

Can't believe he missed that.

[@Sipheren]

This is what I was going to say, I always like watching Jay's videos to see what he messes up lol, love your work Jay, but yeah, sometimes you miss the technical stuff...

[@valyushalee2320]

Not AVX512

[@koopahermit]

@@valyushalee2320 Cinebench R20 only uses AVX2, which Zen2 supports at full rate.

[@Sipheren]

Patrick Shelley it’s just because it was a change in zen2, prob just got confused from how zen1 worked.

[@SpookyBoson]

AMD: You are a budget CPU don't overdo it, alright? 3300X: Maybe on the outside... also 3300X: *CRUSHES* Intel's budget CPU lineup

[@ClayWheeler]

Don't forget 3300X also crashed the entire secondhand Intel CPU market from Core i3 to Core i7

[@TheKingoftheriff]

@@ClayWheeler With no survivors.

[@Cruiser323]

Intel has budget CPUs?

[@SpookyBoson]

@@Cruiser323 LMAO

[@SUPABROS]

@@ClayWheelercrashed 7700k 8600k and 9100kf and 10100 and no survivors remajned

[@augustbiernbaum4841]

Imagine if they saved this for Zen 3 and called it an Athlon

[@pikoliii]

Sempron :P

[@nmlearnerforever]

Jay's Brain: Obvious Jay's Script: Evident Final result: Ovident :D

[@manta4077]

I am pretty sure, he meant to say: Evious.

[@asdf51501]

I think Jay dropped a core dump at that moment.

[@ProBottler]

My brain got melted as well

[@estidi]

I mean, if this tech review thing doesn't work out anymore, he could become a conlang youtuber.

[@rickh6963]

@@asdf51501 It's not a core dump ..... It's a kernel panic, didn't you see his eyes get large!! hehehehehehe

[@jimr5703]

AMD, "We have value, better socket support and upgrade path, higher IPC and more cores - all with lower TDP and running cooler." Intel, "We have DOUBLE the nanometers!!!"

[@E27043]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@crisscrossam]

TDP = *thermal* design power, so lower TDP = running cooler. just FYI :D but yeah they do have lower power consumption.

[@rwbimbie5854]

Intel is for their FANS Intel fans can gee a "I LOVE 14 NANO" tattoo, and not worry about intel changing it for the rest of their life

[@kundansahu8126]

What is the price of amd 3300x bro pls tell me

[@Yomom12388]

Jim R You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the whole nanometers thing. Intels process is not necessarily larger than AMDs.

[@dy7296]

16:37 Someone: "Intel is still the best." JayzTwoCents: "We don't do that here.."

[@cynthia-op8rx]

I've had a couple friends of mine ask me for budget build advice lately. this is such an easy recommendation. the ryzen product stack is just so good right now.

[@user-er2yz8kn2o]

the human eye can only see less money

[@robinsonxiang8169]

-Revenant 104

[@BLVCKO]

Can't dissagree with that logic.

[@MattHalpain]

amen

[@atharv1682]

Agreed....but the case here is win-win Less money + better performance

[@lovewiener]

Bill gates eyes are *special*

[@level8473]

Im a simple man, I see "Budget" I clicc

[@milaandahiya]

you mean poor man? /s

[@nickfoster6034]

Wow we got us a intel fanboy. Just because some people prefer to build on a budget instead of way over paying for computer parts doesn't mean their poor

[@OrchidPurple420]

Pfft you clicc i slapp

[@JatnielDZ]

@@nickfoster6034 /s means he's being sarcastic

[@begonewaifu4582]

man of culture as well

[@veemyu]

10:05 Hey Jay I think your mistaking AVX for TSX Instructions. TSX is exclusive to Intel, AVX has been around since the AMD FX Line and AVX 128 and 256 Eg. AVX 2 has been supported since Zen 1 @Jayztwocents

[@khairudinanshari5323]

Check 8:40 also, Jayz obviously made a mistake there

[@VredesbyrdNoir]

8:36 - this whole bit is not correct. AMD has supported AVX2 instructions for years so it really is just one AVX implementation verses the other. You'd really hope that a workload using the new instructions wouldn't be beaten by something that doesn't support them, otherwise what's the point?

[@richretrochan]

he repeats the same misinformation again at 10:04 It's becoming clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about :-(

[@richretrochan]

@@auturgicflosculator2183 Hi John, I think your information is a bit outdated and innaccurate. First Intel. Only some of Intel's lineup support AVX512. For example, none of the 10th Gen Desktop chips support AVX 512, this include things like their "flagship" Core-i9 10900K. With mobile chips, only some of them support AVX512, and many don't. In addition, Intel disable AVX and AVX2 on all their Celeron and Pentium chips, even the latest 10th gen chips. AMD on the other hand never disable AVX/AVX2 on their budget chips. Now AMD. AMD chips do not support AVX512 yet (although it's rumored to be coming before the end of the year). The first and second gen Ryzen (Zen 1 and Zen 1+) chips did support all the 256bit AVX2 instructions, but did so at half speed. All of the more recent Ryzen chips (Zen 2), anything released after June 2019, do in fact, run the 256bit AVX2 instructions at full speed. You don't need to believe me, try reading a review of the 3800X from almost a year ago: www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-review,6226-10.html I'll quote: "We can also see the vast improvement in Ryzen's AVX performance in the y-cruncher tests: We would never have imagined such a massive generational leap, particularly in single-threaded performance. The work AMD has done here is truly impressive and benefits a wide range of professional applications." or try another review: www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/2 where they say: "there’s one obvious new chance in the 3900X and Zen2: the inclusion of 256-bit wide datapaths. The new AGU and path changes mean that the core is able to now handle 256-bit AVX instruction once per cycle which is a doubling over the 128-bit datapaths of Zen and Zen+." Lastly, did you see JayzTwoCents latest video, he admits that he made a mistake about this.

[@VredesbyrdNoir]

@@richretrochan haha, I think you scared John away. One minor correction; Intel's 10th gen Ice Lake parts support a subset of the AVX 512 instruction set, but you're right about not seeing it in mainstream desktop CPUs.

[@user-xr3rb6pn9m]

@@richretrochan I doubt that AMD will introduce AVX-512. Support for those instructions requires extra space on a die, inevitably causes overheating and, ultimately, is not used anywhere outside server usage. Linus Torvalds had a huge rant about AVX-512, and one of former Intel engineers supported him as well.

[@mrbones680]

I used to remember when a few years ago AMD was just lurking in the back but now it is way ahead of Intel.

[@wabachi]

the difference between having an engineer as CEO vs having a sells-man as CEO

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

@@wabachi yeah I mean Zen sounds cool. But not as cool as Bulldozer... from a marketing point of view... Bulldozer was a better strategy but the product sucked haha

[@FeedMeSalt]

I built my first gaming rig on the 860k dual core Falsely marketed as a quad. I had it at 4.3ghz 1.33volts. It died in two years lol, But it did the job for L4d and Minecraft. The 750 paired perfectly.

[@austinjames3525]

As much as I wish AMD was at the top, they’re not. Maybe by performance per dollar, but their market share is still low. I don’t see AMD being on top until they can really get people to buy their products more than Intel, and increasing the market share to almost a 50/50 between the two companies.

[@od40k77]

AMD is not way ahead of Intel. Only some AMD chips can outperform some Intel chips in multi-core performance. AMD still cannot make a better gaming chip compared to Intel. Intel makes better Laptop chips and Intel outperforms AMD for servers and enterprise business. In reality, Intel is ahead of AMD in totality of what both companies offer to the market.

[@dudemindex]

I swear i got like 10+ notifications at the same time „BUDGET“ time i guess

[@Shrijipatel]

I got it from AMD, jay, bitwit, Linus, and Toasty bros

[@Ryan-dj9ns]

Same

[@Aurienx]

NDA my guy :) pre-recorded and schedueled release when it lifts.

[@CptKenny]

@@Aurienx I wondered how they all uploaded in the same minute.

[@MoCo_Filmmaker]

@@CptKenny KZbin let's you schedule listings. Assumption is the 9AM EST was set as the "can be uploaded" by AMD.

[@aloahe4807]

The Music in the Benchmarks makes me always wanting to buy this directly

[@ExtraTechy]

Thanks! This was helpful. I've been battling heavy stream lag while playing Battlefront 2 but not COD Warzone! I'll be testing all these settings! Cheers!

[@FuncleChuck]

Intel, never again. I was thinking “great now the i7 4790k will get cheap” but then realized “wait it’s cheaper just to fucking yeet my Haswell hardware and get new Ryzen gear...”

[@digitalbarrito3555]

ditched my 4790k for a 3600x, well worth it and still cheaper than upgrading to a new intel platform.

[@terlaluanjay]

i love am4. if your vrm's are enough, you can go from a 2 core to a 16 core processor in one motherboard 🤣

[@nicholas5623]

@@digitalbarrito3555 same but I got the 3900x, couldn't be happier

[@shinyhappyrem8728]

@@digitalbarrito3555 How much faster is it?

[@iMann_iFail]

chaos It’ll be the best decision you’ll make.

[@behrozbajwa3411]

"Budget gaming" Alright you have my ears

[@Methamphetamine420]

And eyes!

[@petar932]

And my axe

[@Glombrox53]

And my money

[@jesus2621]

And my spear

[@Srcsqwrn]

And my CPU!

[@demonikgambino6525]

Crew: We need a good intro! Jay: Best I can do two words.

[@yumiya9266]

Budget gaming

[@tere1131]

Hey this was a really interesting video and I really liked it. I was wondering if you could make a video about budget gpus that are worth it

[@Dominus_Potatus]

For once we can answer the question: "CPU or GPU for budget gaming?" It is GPU, just use R3 3300X and spend the rest on GPU

[@TeranToola]

For now that's definitely the case, if we ever get into a rut where one company stops competing, it will go back to an even split in budget. We're seeing the same thing that happened with CPUs in 2015-2016 start to happen now with GPUs

[@butre.]

ultimate value build is now 3300x and 2060ko. last time low end amd and upper-midrange nvidia was the price:performance king was when bfg went out of business and sold off their old inventory at a loss so people built athlon II x2 245/8800GTS rigs for $300

[@realghostxd]

that will change when the next gen console will come out and the games that will be optimized for the newer gen consoles meaning devs will utilize alot of the hardware on the console that will have 8 cores, soo you see where im coming from, thats why i went with a safe cpu build of 8 cores

[@butre.]

@@realghostxd I wouldn't be so sure. ps3 had a load of cores and it didn't change anything.

[@dragonoffski4501]

​@@realghostxd possibly, but you will have already bought the motherboard/ram and will only need to drop a higher core count cpu into the socket when it becomes affordable - AMD are quite good at compatibility between generations.

[@UniblueTechX555]

For your information, AVX and AVX2 are also supported by AMD

[@goncaloandrade6090]

I was looking for this comment. I’ve been running code that’s highly AVX dependent on AMD chips (ryzen, opteron and epyc) and the research I had done showed AVX was present. Furthermore, the performance scaled as expected between different AVX instruction sets. I was surprised when Jay mentioned “no AVX on AMD”.

[@MCoreLabs]

Yep, AMD is only missing AVX-512.

[@methos1024]

I was also looking for this comment. I actually scrolled 2 times back in the Video to make sure i got right what he claimed is missing on ryzen :D .

[@riba2233]

Yeah, I can't believe he missed that.

[@scottschroeder4131]

Came here to add this. AVX supported since Bulldozer. AVX2 since Excavator.

[@kylewagenaar5786]

I just bought a last gen ryzen 3 for a budget build and i'm still impressed with it.

[@savagerabbit8335]

i have a Ryzen 7 2700x and an EVGA RTX 2070 XC ultra GPU with 32 gigs of ram @ 3200. can you tell me why when I stream games that whenever I begin to move around my webcam gets blurry as well as my gameplay? I have tried everything and from what i have researched my settings are good and i am only broadcasting in 720 at 30 fps to try and have a smooth stream. with my hardware I do not think I need a dedicated streaming PC. Am I wrong Jay?

[@MattiaMirabello]

15:29 they both come with a Wraith Stealth included in the box. It's written on AMD's pages of the products.

[@jeffyamaguth]

Should have included 1% lows in those fps graphs. When building a budget system I'd say a more stable frame rate is more important than just a higher average.

[@robertlawrence7293]

I am quite taken with that case, what make/model is it? Also I have a 6 year old PC that I am wondering if it is worth it to upgrade the CPU (i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 3401 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)) and the graphics card (GeForce GTX 1060 3GB). I do have 16GB of 1333 DIMM ram.

[@NewAgeDIY]

Jay: Class is now in session everyone pay attention. Class: Where there be a test at the end?

[@DylRicho]

8:46 - yes they do. All Ryzen parts support AVX-128 and AVX-256, even the Athlons. Cinebench doesn't use AVX-512, but then Kaby Lake didn't support that either. 10:03 - not true.

[@hughjazz44]

I wasn't the only person to catch this. Thanks for pointing it out!

[@DylRicho]

@@hughjazz44 You're welcome!

[@stoneymahoney9106]

To clarify, the idea that Ryzen "doesn't support AVX" comes from the fact that Intel CPUs use two 128-bit AVX execution units per core, allowing two 128-bit AVX instructions or one 256-bit AVX instructions to be executed in a single cycle, while Zen and Zen+ only have a single execution unit, allowing only a single 128-bit AVX instruction per cycle and requiring 256-bit instructions to be broken in half and completed over two cycles. Zen 2 CPUs don't have this problem, they have dual AVX units per core. AMD also have no CPUs on the market with AVX-512 support, while Intel only implements it in Xeon and X-series parts, mostly because it's use is extremely specialised due to it's enormous memory bandwidth requirements and power draw.

[@Xirtamani]

It's not called AVX-128 (and not correct technically either, AVX uses 256 already) and not AVX-256 but rather AVX and AVX2. But DAAMN, Jay not knowing shit about a (nowadays) basic instruction being able to be used by AMD-CPUs since Bulldozer (AVX2 then by Excavator) is embarassing. Even more so since it was even talked about recently with the news with the Matlab/Intel MKL-Bullshit with Intel shutting down AVX-use by non-Intel-processors.

[@nshire]

1: Apr 9, 2019 -" Under the hood, the R20 engine supports AVX, AVX2, and AVX512 instruction sets."

[@Sir_Defyable]

Did he say AVX isn't utilized on AMD cpu's?

[@chomper720]

I built a 880K + GTX 960 long ago after watching the video you made about the A10-7850K paired with a GTX 980, then upgraded it with a 970 later due to the FX-8370 PC in the house got upgraded to a Vega 56. Now I wondering if I wanna make a PC able to match the next-gen console would a R3 3300X + GTX 970 be enough or should I get a R5 3600 and recycle the 880K 125w cooler then OC it to match the 3600X is the better choice? Or would you rather wait for 4th gen mr.JayzTwoCents? :D

[@ayuchanayuko]

How far is the 3100X to a 2500k 4.4GHz? I need to lessen the cost for my next build by getting a placeholder cpu while I save uo fot a 3900X. And I cant get a cheap 1200 since I'm planning on a B550 ITX board

[@thegrandpotato217]

It all adds up. It was planned from the start. AMD: Red Nvidia: Green Intel: Blue

[@DeathSensei]

Fly RGB adds Extra frames confirmed

[@maxemore]

THE STARS HAVE ALIGNED

[@freddie49]

Fly *Knock knock* FBI OPEN UP!

[@kV18mAs81]

Mind= blown 😂

[@Wereskeleton]

Nintendo Xbox Playstation

[@sirsneakybeaky]

Me : Dont worry my 8700k you dont have to worry, amd can hurt you. *maniacal laughing incoming from the distance*

[@onion69420]

10th gen intel will make the 9700k and below pretty much irrelevant if prices don't drop.

[@onion69420]

@F a yes i know, but knowing intel, price drops are non existent

[@5t9rm]

Onion Cutting Ninja Huh? the new gen i7 is literally just a 9900k which doesnt even outperform the 9700k in games

[@eloyleija7195]

Andes but how would you know if it hasnt even been shown yet? They been giving speculations of its performance

[@5t9rm]

Eloy Leija Have you seen it’s specs? plus everyone is saying it’s literally just a 9900k, which like i previously stated is outperformed by a 9700k in most games based on the vast majority of benchmarks.

[@BoomTerra]

Can you please tell me what bios you use to update this motherboard I have the same one and cannot find it through gigabyte or nowhere. I have a ryzen 3 3100 in it.

[@SnooZeR_NoR]

I have a question, i have a 3900x and a 2070. I run dual screen. One fore gameplay and the other one fore other things like stream and youtube. But my fps on the second screen is probably 10-30 fps if i have a video on it. Is that a gpu problem? 😬 Will it be fiksed with a 3080ti?

[@bobbiac]

*looks at the 10 videos that came out within 5 minutes of each other* Gee... I wonder when the embargo ended?

[@ShamanicEnzan]

Alternate intro: Jay: *I LIKE BUDGETS*

[@yan3066]

I agree, but I think is goal was to have the shortest intro ever I've seen on a youtube video. Straight to the point, 2 words : *budget gaming* lol

[@thecomputernutball]

Can someone tell me if i overclock my GPU and also maybe the CPU and then have long hours of gaming a day, will it be bad for my hardware or can it manage ?

[@mirazrahman9428]

hey jay, is this cpu good for simultaneously play a game, render a video in premiere pro and recording gameplay with nvidia shadwplay? i can go with 16gb ram MAX. i am not your huge fan. tbh. but i'd appreciate if u help me to built my next pc. i am running a i3 4130 since 2014 and gtx 950. i am planning to buy a new system cz it's getting super slow day by day.

[@Shredding101]

4:28 if you have 16MB of ram, i think its clear what the bottleneck is lmao

[@probablynotabigtoe9407]

The brain

[@anon8242]

90s brain striking, when 16mb was more than enough to run win95

[@mahmoudsobhy5843]

Lmao how did you notice it xd EVEN THE VIDEO EDITOR DIDNT NOTICE IT LMAOOOO

[@rufusaa]

Damn same didn't even realise

[@dkmsodin_]

LUL BRO rly nice pick I didn't even notice even after u posted... Had to go back again hahahahaha

[@verboten8]

So awesome looking at how the cpu performance from AMD nowadays. Me? I'm still clinging on that 6700k until the AMD series 4000 is released. Still trying to save money with all this pandemic and whatnot. The future looks extremely interesting. Here's hoping I'd still be alive by then.

[@crissto8591]

Considering used computer pricing these days, it might be worth selling now. I've seen fx6300 systems go for 900 (basically new parts cost). Bad time to build tho

[@katech6020]

people are selling 7700K on Ebay for 250-300 USD. I think you can sell yours for the price of 3300X+B450

[@crissto8591]

@@katech6020 they're trying, I doubt they're getting it

[@terlaluanjay]

@@katech6020 plus 16gb ram kit also (120+70+75=265 🤣)

[@dkmsodin_]

Noice choice o/

[@paulrichards2860]

running a ryzen 3 1200 oc'd to 3.9, and a RX 580 8gb with 16gb oc'd 3200 lpx. Do I go for the 3100, or pay a bit more and get the 3300x??

[@Superweapons]

when is a good time to upgrade cpu? cuse i been on amd ryzen 7 1700 for a while now.

[@mongocom1735]

Eh when the 3700x gets cheap next Black Friday, get it. Or get the 16 core in 3-4 years

[@anonymoose1980]

"you cpu should typically be half the price of your GPU" *Gets half the CPU usage on a 2080ti with a $120 CPU*

[@crashbandicoot5636]

Anyone else loving that the Ryzen 3 CPUs lineup has had a revival? Loved the 1200 for what it offered to strict budget users, and now it's successors are here!

[@jimmyjryan6645]

even more so with the athelon 3000g 45 quid here in the UK i got one recently for a super budget A320 mobo 8 gig3200 ram, no GPU rig running minecraft, roblox, fortnite for my son and it performs out of the box with stock cooler so well, budget option now are so good thanks to Zen architecture. Intel have alot to do.

[@jimmyjryan6645]

@@wapuh6371 nice good find sounds like a good deal :-) for what i needed tho the athelon just ticked the box might get a pcie powered card for it later but it will do for :-)

[@InFlamesOfSorrow]

I would love to see a OC comparison and CS:GO because of the insane amount of FPS it Pushes! It would be interesting to see if Clock Speed or IPC Wins there

[@Dtr146]

Jay my guy. AMD carries AVX and the main reason I know this is because I had to upgrade my CPU to a processor that included AVX instructions to play VR. My sister's computer can run my headset just fine and she has an 8350.

[@tomkingston8886]

straight to the point "budget gaming"

[@necropolix]

gaming

[@bjornark]

budgam geting

[@TheNerd]

video seo so google knows whats going on i guess

[@TrueThanny]

10:00 That's not true. Ryzen has supported AVX and AVX2 since Zen 1. Zen 2 made AVX2 faster by increasing the width of the FPU's, so it's now on par with Intel with AVX2 instructions. However Timespy favors Intel, it isn't by having AVX instructions.

[@photonboy999]

Does Timespy favor Intel now though? And when you say "favors Intel" do you mean the code is optimized towards Intel or Intel CPU's are winning simply because they run at a higher frequency? You didn't specify a specific Intel CPU so it feels like you are implying some bias in the code (which may or may not be true). So it feels like the best way to test this would be to have a modern representative from both Intel and AMD run at the same frequency. Say, 4.0GHz... Either way, I tried to Google for comparisons of the AMD Ryzen 3000 series and Intel's 9000/10000 series and i found evidence that the scores are similar but I couldn't find any reliable links... I can't find ANY evidence that Timespy currently favors Intel simply because of architecture.

[@Kankipappa]

@@photonboy999 Pretty sure it's the cpu optimizations. I can't now find the youtube video about when zen was released, but on quake2 if you compiled the renderer with amdnow! support (that was dropped from amd cpus like a decade ago), 1700X was actually faster on his youtube comparison than the optimized intel in the game - which was kinda weird that and old amdnow! code would still work in anyway good. It just tells me that there are many ways of optimizing your speed and lets be honest here, AMD is the underdog in both CPU and GPU, when it comes to software optimizations by 3rd parties. Hell even Microsoft managed to show how bad the OS is for anything that isn't a Intel CPU clone that got patched up by many times on Win10 already. Nvidia has less raw power on most rendering when it comes to the similar gpu prices head to head, while still wrecks amd gpu's, until the later aka mysterious "fine wine" tech appears.

[@TrueThanny]

@@photonboy999 I don't really know if it does or doesn't, but I've seen plenty of CPU reviews which show the Ryzen chip beating the comparable Intel chip in Firestrike, then losing in Timespy, so just assumed Jay was talking about Timespy when he just said 3DMark. I don't know if that's actually a consistent thing, or what the reason might be. It could be Intel optimizations, or it could be Timespy being more sensitive to memory and cache latency.

[@105DARKNINJA]

So I was planning on building a budget stream pc and getting this cpu in the next month I currently have a 1080 ftw and a 8700k, and the budget build would have a 750 ti is that a bottleneck so should I just put my 1080 in the budget build and use my 8700k build as the stream pc?

[@JanBuffalo3]

could you test whether the windows game mode is decreasing fps?

[@gtwannabe2]

@10:03 - incorrect. Intel's 7700k and all Ryzen chips support both AVX and AVX2.

[@boblolo3977]

Yeah, he's mixing up regular AVX with AVX-512 instructions which isn't even used by Cinebench

[@BBW4MEPLZ]

Watch at 5:30, Jays reflection in the glass side panel. He looks like all those 80s-90s photos our parents made us took staring off in to the distance with a black background.

[@bort_1265]

How did you even catch that hahaha

[@beemrmem3]

Still haven’t been able to find one

[@sythenalpha2037]

i have a question, i want to know if its a better idea to move from intel(pentium) to amd due to the fact ill need to buy a motherboard and i havnt fully built a pc yet and the motherboard i have rn is only able to use up to 7th gen intel so would it be wiser to buy a 7700k and put money elsewhere or buy a motherboard with a ryzen 3 3300x or ryzen 5 2600 and have a great upgrade path for later building and i only have £400 and need to get a better gpu due to mine being a rx460 probably going to get a r9 390x

[@johnsherby9130]

In a couple years I’m going to run 150fps AAA titles for $200

[@mobilePCreviews]

Only if amd can get their shit together with GPUs, otherwise Nvidia's just going to keep dominating the market.

[@Iryuushen]

@@mobilePCreviews 5700xt and 5600xt is pretty good tb

[@xxWidex]

I can't run 2015 Witcher 3 150fps in my $500 pc though

[@chickendinner5572]

@@xxWidex I can get pretty close 800 dollar pc I built 2 years ago.

[@nikhilpaleti3872]

@@Iryuushen Lol. Check Austin Evans' HP Spectre and this guy's 5700 BIOS change videos AMD GPUs just have filthy glitches. Just not worth it, specially when spending the top buck. Till AMD sorts its shit with drivers, AMD will never be a GPU option, at least for me.

[@gaijinkuri684]

Glad I went AMD when building my pc last year. Managed to get a 2600 for 100 USD. Looking at the performance of these Zen 2 low end parts has me really excited for Zen 3!

[@photonboy999]

Excited for Zen 3? Sure, but if I were you I might be more excited with the fact that games are getting better THREADED as time goes on and that the 2020 consoles will accelerate these code changes for newer games... in some games you will currently have a CPU BOTTLENECK despite using, say, only 2/3rds of your CPU processing power. So in the future there are two main ways YOU will see better performance assuming the game is CPU bottlenecked (not graphics or storage)-> #1) you bought a CPU with same or more cores that is faster per core (like R5-4600), or #2) the game utilizes your existing CPU cores better That won't help existing games if you have a CPU bottleneck and want higher FPS but if your goal is to achieve a good FPS in a 2022 game for example, then by then the issue may simply solve itself with better coding.

[@goblinphreak2132]

@@photonboy999 TO BE FAIR, current consoles are 8 cores. GRANTED, 8 "slow" cores, but still 8 cores. The multi-threaded workloads are there. New consoles are continuing that trend. The real kick is the single core performance, on all 8 cores, plus the much faster gpu. EVEN WITH utilizing 8 cores NOW on cross-platform games (COD, COD Warzone, Apex Legends) 6 core cpu's still hold firm. In that regards, an 8 core might show 20-30% utilization, while a 6 core will show 50-70% utilization. obviously a 4 core 8 thread might struggle depending on age with minor stutters (thinking to Dr Disrespect with his 4 core 8 thread intel gaming rig, it stutters in cod because it does in fact want more cores). Even when the new consoles come, we still wont see huge changes. Consoles never fully utilize its own hardware these days. Otherwise cross-play games would be using more like 80-90% utilization on all 8 cores. I have tested COD Warzone on an AMD 8350 which many will claim "isn't a true 8 core" and yet it runs great, no stutters, and the utilization is nowhere near 100% on every core.... and the reason i bring that up, is that the current consoles are "jaguar cores" which are "slightly" newer than the 8350 "Piledriver", so if consoles were using all 8 cores at a high load %, then the same should be said for an 8350, and it doesn't happen. Its only about half, 55% ish load on all 8 cores. Still more than say a ryzen 1800x which barely see's 20% load on a handful of cores..... but still.

[@interabits]

I heard from somewhere that zen 3 will only be supported by X570 and B550 motherboards

[@blake4454]

Is the ryzen 5 2600 enough for all games

[@goblinphreak2132]

@@blake4454 yup. you'll be fine.

[@jaedenk999]

I'm thinking about building my first pc with an rx570 8 gigs and a 3200g on a b450 mobo. should I get the 3300x? if so, should I keep the b450 or wait until June for the new b550 so that I can utilize PCIe 3.0. I don't exactly know what PCIe does, so an explanation would also be welcome :)

[@joemcdonald9270]

I can't use my older motherboards as AMD will not support backwards compatibility. Can you please confirm this as it's not mentioned many places.

[@Chris89--]

That intro though....

[@relax9086]

Chris m looked like he couldn't be bothered! 😂😂😂😂

[@eisenklad]

Budget intro

[@DaijiSann__]

@@eisenklad indeed 😁😂

[@boblolo3977]

You're mixing up AVX instructions which ARE present on the Ryzen proc, With AVX-512 which AREN'T used by Cinebench but only present on Intel proc. Have a nice day.

[@smoothbraindetainer]

What we need to see is an AVX-512 benchmark to see how it ACTUALLY performs. And more game benchmarks. By the looks of it Intel still has the better latency which is why even though slower in cinebench, it did better in 2/3 of the games (the 3rd being AMD optimized for consoles)

[@VredesbyrdNoir]

None of the Intel mainstream desktop CPUs prior to Ice Lake had AVX-512 either so this is a non-issue for this comparison. This includes the upcoming 10th gen Comet Lake CPUs...

[@veemyu]

I think he means TSX instructions those are present on the 7700K and exclusive to Intel. AVX 512 isn’t even on the 10900K

[@Xirtamani]

@@veemyu He said AVX two times, they didn't catch it in editing and I couldn't find anything about Cinebench using TSX-NI. So... Nah, he didn't mean TSX I'd say. It was pure incompetence this time, which is surprising.

[@arj3030]

Thank you Jay for the tests.

[@chuckhartley1976]

Excellent comparison. Always fantastic content but it's these little things that has me coming back. Thanks guys.

[@imthesquareroot6125]

Mmm what are you talking about???? Zen2 supports AVX and AVX2.

[@Denzix]

LTT, BitWit and Jay all uploaded a video about CPU's under 5 minutes

[@codgamefreak602]

And I watched them all in under 5 min

[@ittotaq]

NDA says they can't talk about it until certain date and time. They all recorded and uploaded earlier to private and auto changed to public at a certain time.

[@irishRocker1]

Obviously the nda was due to lift and they scheduled uploads to go public on the nda lift

[@ArtisChronicles]

@@ittotaq is it an actual NDA or more of an embargo? I honestly can't say right now

[@ittotaq]

@@ArtisChronicles it has nothing to do with any politics. NDA's like this is done on the regular across all KZbinrs and other news outlets. They get to play with the product for a few days and then make a video and upload when the NDA is lifted. It's standard practice for all industries. Don't know what you're going on with embargos

[@Krayvune]

Maybe i'll get an answer it's not really topic related, so pardon my disgression. I'm kinda thrill like everyone by Cyberpunk, i got an i7-6700k with a asus 1070 strix and 24g of ram - but i feel like i'll be outmatch with setting in 1080p - so i'm looking for the 2070super that seems pretty good for the price. So my question, is there any avantage to go strix vs dual fan ? there's like 120$ buck diffrences in my country ( good ol'canada montreal area. ) Thanks and i'll close with something really canadian : sorry 'bout my english.

[@Cnupoc]

i got an i-5 6600K recently. i upgraded from A8-6600. How's that for budget?

[@ankoomy]

Where are you getting that Intel supports AVX while AMD doesn't? According to WikiChip both Kaby Lake and Zen2 have AVX and AVX2 support.

[@Bandit1978]

7:22 is where the good stuff starts.

[@dkthomas77]

I get same fps in cs-go on 3770 with a gtx 1650. Something wrong with your setup? I had a 5820k with a gtx1080. It ran 600 fps. 1080p low

[@john_duncan]

nice. thanks for all your hard work!

[@VoyageRC]

"Budget gaming" - Jay sounded depressed saying that. lmao

[@PsychoStreak]

Bitter reminders that the top end is rarely utilized in day to day work or gaming?

[@JJ_Khailha]

LMAO at the Doom eternal FPS, “We’re getting 5......” 😂😂😂

[@PanduPoluan]

Five hundred rblbslrslbrslblsrblsblrjblblblsblrsbl 🤣🤣🤣

[@jeremi4hh]

Would these chips be compatible with a x470 board right away or would I have to install a updated bios?

[@sadzuka]

Hello Jay So i have a question, is a bad choice to put the 3300x with a rx 5700? thanks for the good video.

[@maxhollmann1790]

Zen has AVX2, Zen2 has AVX2. AMD does not have an AVX512 product, but you can only get AVX512 on Intel's server chips anyway. Yes, Zen's AVX2 might not be as fast as Skylake's, but not by that much.

[@jonathantolman3450]

Zen supports AVX2 all the way back to first gen.

[@SCIPSCON010]

Hi, i want to upgrade my system but a lot has changed sinds my last purches in 2012. What is a good razen 3300x - motherbord (chipset) combo in this budget range and what ddr4 speed range best to use?

[@RichardMontgomeryYT]

"the 7700k is also running 16MB of 3000mhz ram" the bottle's neck: *not visible*

[@Tenacious_xd]

AMD are killing it, how can you not throw money at these guys? They are ticking every box a tech lover wants..

[@ovrocket]

RIP my 7700k, it was 3 good years, thanks AMD! How crazy is tech evolving?

[@oreroundpvp896]

This is an insane deal... Especially since the I7 7700k is still going for £300 and you can get the same performance for 1/3 of that price with the 3300x

[@secret5070]

Jay! Quick question bud! Is there a zen 3 3900x coming? Not sure if to wait before I buy. Need to do a complete new build as my pc is 7-8years old now, at least my cpu, gpu and mother board and ram 😳

[@JKNProductions]

I love competition and thus is amazing only three years later

[@orionbg12]

hmmmmm... Jay, since when AMD CPUs don't have AVX? Zen 2 chips even has AVX2 instructions. The only missing ones are AVX512 if I'm not mistaken and those are used in very rare cases...

[@KyleRuggles]

Looking to update my aging I7 950! I do photo editing and this system has treated me well for a good 10 years but it's time to upgrade, might get this! Gaming isn't a big priority and I just want faster exports for photos all that jazz. Thanks for the vid!

[@CockOfTheRock]

I would love to see testing newer CPUs and older GPUs to see how many were held back when they were new.

[@AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup]

AMD does use AVX...

[@thedawner6311]

Perfect , the exact cpu that I need . And Until the release , It's gonna be good to get a decent 1080p build within 600/500$ .

[@veemyu]

Hey Jay I think your mistaking AVX for TSX Instructions. TSX is exclusive to Intel, AVX has been around since the AMD FX Line and AVX 128 and 256 Eg. AVX 2 has been supported since Zen 1 @Jayztwocents

[@purp0susanoo99]

what happened to these cpus? i was trying to find them in amazon and i cant seem to find them