This Dethklok Guitar Doesn't Officially Exist... (Chibson Snowhorse)

[@TheRockinDonkey]

This is not the greatest guitar in the world. This is a tribute.

[@djatsoris2613]

We have no idea what the greatest guitar in the world is

[@saltpeter7429]

" Be you angels?" Nay! We are but men, Rock.

[@bushcry1]

Ha ha! A tribute to a prototype?! This is a first... I will use this phrase!

[@terrycolletti6793]

Very well said! 😂😂😂😂😂🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@harrypothead42024]

I am not a God I am the king of no kingdom, but in my opinion, you have won comments.

[@milanovicr]

I'm living in China for years and I made contact with the " Firefly" factory. This guitar is actually from the custom part of " Firefly" factory called " Flyoung" . Those guys are amazing and trust me , the wood and paint quality is almost perfect. Now, the price of this particular model in China is 140$. And just to break that story, they are not Chibson and they are not the guys from Epiphone. This is from " Firefly" factory.

[@doctoribanez]

Do they have a website?

[@Zodiacaf]

Nice. Mind sharing some more info？ Because I also have been living here but just can't find the brands that these guitar channels talked about.

[@WW-1995]

@@Zodiacaf Their website is called Guitargarden

[@tbprodutions]

I don't believe you

[@antonymalko2009]

@@doctoribanez guitarsgarden is the name of it

[@TylerJohnstonGuitar]

White guitars will always have a special place in my heart. I think I can thank Randy Rhoads for that.

[@heavybrett-al4082]

Me to👍Randy was a God🤘🙏

[@TylerJohnstonGuitar]

@@heavybrett-al4082 I’ve been working on Mr. Crowley and I have to agree with you. That man was not human.

[@neil2706]

Rip the great

[@kiezersosay49]

Yes! I wouldn't be playing if it weren't for St. Randy...

[@masonthibodaux4353]

@@neil2706 gigigiuyj

[@maxx42069]

the demo was killer man, your playing has come a really long way. you made those cheap pickups sound great

[@TheAtariCreep]

Right?

[@jonprendergast]

As a fella who is 6'4" I would love a guitar that big. Great video!

[@tt55k]

6’4” here too , I concur, Gibsons look so small when I hold one , which goes to show many guitarists are “regular “ sized guys .

[@jayartz8562]

I'm also 6'4", Gibsons feel like kids toy guitars.

[@woody8577]

@@jayartz8562 6'2, but same.

[@markcheetah4960]

I'm 5'3" so I've never even tried to play an Explorer... but I think they're super cool. There is a rare "Elbow Cut" Explorer that Gibson's custom shop sold for about a year; the body was cut differently in the rear. Also, Matthias Jabs from the Scorpions had Gibson build him some Explorers with a body that was 3/4ths the size. Just some trivia. If Trogly reads this, maybe he'll try to find an Elbow Cut (if he hasn't done so already)!

[@xoiylo4660]

Also 6’4. My SG looks like a kids beginner guitar! Would love an explorer this size 😍

[@davidmeltzer1715]

I continue to be impressed with your playing. You've really improved over the past year. The total package!

[@wadeguidry6675]

If this was a 27" baritone I'd buy one. It looks awesome.

[@vladimirpoutine7522]

When I was a beginner back in the late 80's I would've killed for the option to buy a Chibson.

[@Trog]

They did exist... they just had more honor back then and used a unique brand name instead of trying to be a "gibson" Not the best example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4jXf32Xmsx8gsU A better example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5mUhGt-mZh5nbs

[@WaurufEx]

Burny, Greco and Tokai were huge brands back then. Their Gibson copies are well sought after even nowadays

[@vladimirpoutine7522]

@@WaurufEx yeah but the internet wasn't and if you lived in a small town, options were extremely limited.

[@snap-off5383]

@@Trog They didn't have CNC machines nor Gibson/Epiphone CNC files like they do now. Not until Gibson gave them to them thinking they'd respect intellectual property rights to save a few bucks.

[@snap-off5383]

@@WaurufEx The difference is those guitars were "copies" made by hand. Modernly the fakes are more often than not CNC "printouts" of Gibson's files.

[@belaci73]

You’re just getting better and better at guitar playing Trogly!

[@brianfurry9542]

Trogly, I must say your chops keep getting better all the time. Turning into quite the shredder!! Beautiful guitar, probably would swap out the pickups for sure. I have a Chibson Moderne and love it. A unique guitar for $375, plays like a dream. Rock on brother

[@HK-21]

Translucent Ebony finish is 🔥

[@jeffanderson8384]

DANG! That thing actually sounds pretty good! Chibson shaming Gibson.

[@joeturner7959]

If they upped their quality of worksmanship to about 3x then they might shame them...

[@ChrisEck13]

I didn't think it sounded good at all. The playing was good but I thought the guitar itself sounded downright awful, especially considering it's being played through a high quality amp.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@ChrisEck13 no big deal. Fit a pair of Seymour Duncans or EMGs on this thing and it'll be a beast.

[@ChrisEck13]

You'd still have a fake guitar. Any budget guitar is better than a fake.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@ChrisEck13 It's not a fake though. It is not branded as Gibson, nor is it sold as such. It's a unique design that I haven't seen anywhere other than from China. As the video points out, it has significant differences versus Brendon Small's prototype. This is a budget guitar, not a 'fake'.

[@reactedboss99]

I'd absolutely love to have a guitar like that regardless of brand ngl

[@nickjohnson8630]

You can always request no logo on the headstock when ordering these copies from China. I've done it a couple of times. One was a Stingray style bass (before you could get a Sterling) and the other was a Rickenbacker copy. I didn't want a fake, I just wanted something that I could mod that looked cool. Be aware though, you will have to know how to do a basic setup, level and crown frets, and do electronics work if you want a decent instrument. I could have bout something ready to go for a couple of hundred bucks more, but I also love a project.

[@memriloc]

Home Movies is awesome! 1m2 the interaction between Small and H. I John Benjamin is brilliant.

[@mboyer68]

I have a Korean made 2002 Epiphone Explorer and I love this guitar! I got it on a trade for really cheap, it's been played a lot and needs a fret job, but it shreds! I never liked the Explorer until I played one. And I really prefer the reverse headstock on yours, it seems more, don't laugh, more symmetrical. More even? My Explorer is so light and has easy fret access, I like the Explorer as much as my Les Paul. Thank you for the video! You're the hardest working KZbinr on KZbin! And we appreciate it very much:)

[@danielmargolis3210]

Cool episode!

[@jimmyjames2022]

Never would I have thought of an Explorer as Petite, 'til "Snowhorse" showed up, lucky it was a "light" wood. Looks great, sounds great, should be a baritone for sure.

[@hippiebiker3399]

Love this “Snowhorse” guitar. I bought one also but am having all the hardware, pots and wiring, tuners and pickups replaced. Also the “Snowhorse” name put on the headstock. I have the Epiphone Thunderhorse and Snow Falcon. I did have the Ghoasrhorse but wasn’t impressed with it. It just didn’t feel right in my hands, so I sold it. Great review!

[@hughjarrse]

I'll take the lefty at 13:13 spooky time stamp👻

[@r33th]

Dude your playing has improved a ton! I like how you've been performing for the sound demos lately. probably some of the cleanest playing I've heard from you, how ironic that it's on a chibson

[@The.Adam.D]

Sweet!

[@sgt.grinch3299]

You made the podium for today and earned a Bronze Medal Adam.

[@elamon51]

woot woot Trogly's 🙌

[@rondobondo6600]

Wallmart award for you

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Congratulations on climbing to the summit of the Mole Hill and earning a Gold Medal

[@JA-re8gi]

You should have got the Chibson logo on the headstock.

[@homersreluctantodyssey2508]

troglys rockin out lately, must be all the Halloween candy

[@woody8577]

He's been distilling all that candy corn!

[@shadowaspiration]

I bought this exact guitar a few months ago. Im glad you had mostly good things to say about it.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

How is it? I ordered one a few days ago and kinda hyped to get it after seeing this vid.

[@shadowaspiration]

@@Molotov_Milkshake pretty decent from what I can tell. For the price its well worth it. Even the pickups arent terrible like the usual chibsons.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@shadowaspiration That's a relief to hear! Any recommendations for strings or setup? I'm fairly certain I'll be fitting some new pickups later too, but that's a discussion for another day. If the build quality is solid, I'll shell out for some Seymour Duncans, but might just go for EMGs.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Z is for retired. Chloe loves the white guitars. This is a very interesting instrument. Nice build Trogly.

[@Eldestthorin]

Please post this up on your site or your reverb, I've been wanting to buy one of these.

[@Gene_Cali]

This is an axe that could definitely crush one's enemies!

[@erikkorhonen]

reverse head stocks are actual better for getting good string tensions since it puts the bass one on the longer side of the head stock

[@SiTheShireHorse]

Reverse headstocks don’t increase string tension. To increase string tension you either need to have a longer scale length or use a thicker gauge string. The section of string past the nut to the tuners doesn’t effect the scale length.

[@saltpeter7429]

@@SiTheShireHorse thanks. You just shattered a possibly unnecessary belief I was holding on to. Always looking for lower tuning with standard 10-46 slinky. I had that once with a string through Hagstrom.

[@erikkorhonen]

@@SiTheShireHorse when did I say increase? If you are gonna attempt to correct someone , please understand what you are replying to first

[@SiTheShireHorse]

@@erikkorhonen While you didn't specifically say increase you definitely implied it with saying reverse headstocks are better for getting good string tension because it puts the bass strings on the longer side of the headstock. When referring to strings (which you described as 'it puts the bass one') the word longer means the same thing as increase. With that being said I'll say this again the section of string past the nut to the tuners doesn't have any effect on the strings tension.

[@erikkorhonen]

@@SiTheShireHorse nope didnt even imply it , I said better, that doesnt equal increased automatically . and Im still correct , a reverse heastock on a 6 per side tuners headstock will have better string tension then a normal headstock.

[@mikecarbone828]

Greetings and salutations Austin! It has almost all of the features that I would like to see on an Explorer, except I would also like coil splits, phase switch, treble bleed, and 24 frets on the fretboard. Hopefully, Epiphone will offer a version of this model with all of the features mentioned above. Very nice guitar altogether! Thank you for posting these videos! Please have an excellent and awesome day! ☀️✨

[@jawesome59]

Watching Brendon play guitar is crazy, he's constantly switching between the neck and bridge pickups like nobody's business. Thanks for doing this Trogly, really cool idea!!! Good on the maker for not throwing a gibson logo on there, this bad boy looks even more mean with the blank headstock

[@Masterfighterx]

Look at the headstock in different angles just to see if there actually isn't a logo covered with paint, I had a cheap and quite bad Explorer I bought from someone (wopping overpay of $337) and that had a covered Gibson logo, took ages to get rid off, but I was soo happy when someone finally bought it..

[@sinisabosanac]

Good

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Well done you earned a Silver Medal

[@mquintanaguitarist1457]

Where do I get one?

[@bimodalhealer8286]

The riff in home videos when they switch scenes or the theme is my favorite this brenden does

[@bertrandmajorik6589]

Curious if out against an explorer, if you get more low end out of the Chibson ???

[@rudiyantohalim736]

This video proves buying a "regular" guitar and awesome amp will make you sound good enough

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Let's be real, guitar is like 70% skill, 20% equipment and 10% looking cool.

[@JoeR203]

How long did it take to get to you from China? I ordered a Steinberger GM knockoff Sept. 29th. It was supposedly shipped on Oct. 3rd and finally got a shipping update on Oct. 22nd that it is in Shanghai. No updates since. Ordered from a seller on DHGate.

[@danc.732]

Good. I hope you don't get it. Bad move contributing to foreign theft of American intellectual property.

[@JoeR203]

@@danc.732 Do you have any idea how many products you have in your home were made in China??? Want me to buy American? Give me $5000 and I'll get a real Steinberger.

[@danc.732]

@@JoeR203 Give you $5k? No, earn it. And exactly zero of the Made in China items in my home are illegal knockoffs of American inventions or designs.

[@ViviSectia]

Try putting your tracking number into other package trackers. Some of them let you see the updates on the Chinese side of things though you'll have to put it through a translator. I ordered a purple left handed King V from china off of Ebay on October 6th and ebay says it should get here at the end of December but the various trackers says, it's supposed to arrive by November 11th and give me updates that don't appear on ebays tracking. Yours might be arriving around the same time.

[@JoeR203]

@@ViviSectia I've done that. They all pretty much show what China Post shows. One site said it should arrive Oct. 24 - Nov. 1. Once the 24th got here, they changed it to Oct. 30 - Nov. 18. The Pony Express from the 1800s was faster.

[@lhmmhl]

Price range...?

[@michaeltodd2061]

Nice to know this model is available in left handed ! 😉

[@anthonyhharper8512]

Hey Trogly, have you every gotten an ES-150 on the show, the extra thick hollow 335-like one? Played one once and loved it, really cool instrument.

[@El_Borrego_Negro]

Now up grade it with top notch gear, from the bridge to the tuners and wires the whole 9

[@robbyplaysfantasy3510]

I even showed a Gibson rep that was at guitar center but 3 years later nothing lol

[@styrenebuilds6851]

Some firewood just in time for winter

[@DJVolte]

what tune @ 12:45?

[@Trog]

The Life changing "thunderhorse"

[@DJVolte]

@@Trog thank you. Reddit told me it's judas priest. Which is similar admittedly.

[@Dan.Solo.Chicago]

When talking about the Snow Falcon, Trogly called the fretboard material Phenolic. I thought it was Micarta or Richlite. After some research I found that the names Micarta, G10, Richlite etc, are brand names. That part was new to me. So, Phenolics are the larger category those products fall under. You never know what you might learn from watching Trogly’s videos. 👍

[@adrianr2312]

Welcome everyone! Any sign of Hk or the Sgt?

[@hughjarrse]

🙂

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Greetings Adrian R. I’m late and I’m retired from the commenting battle. After 50 firsts Chloe and I have laid down our keyboard.

[@adrianr2312]

@@sgt.grinch3299 cheers Sgt, I salute your service 🫡

[@harrypothead42024]

Is it for sale

[@Trog]

I list guitars on my website www.troglysguitarshow.com

[@harrypothead42024]

@@Trog great!

[@eastwind32]

How do I get one? I want to match my Snowfalcon.

[@gabemanson8918]

Last 3 minutes it us muted 😢

[@iamthemoneyj]

What the hell is a fennelic fretboard

[@teddyrascal6305]

I wanna take that body, cut it down to size, redo it with a neon coat, and white crackle paint, make a cool truss rod cover, and do the headstock too. Then some cool logo like you said.

[@TheOlmecindian]

I’m new here , what do you do with all these Gibson ????

[@Trog]

I sell what I don't want and keep the ones I do with a goal of opening a museum one day where people can see rare guitars and play great mini golf!

[@TheOlmecindian]

@@Trog awesome idea😎👍🏼

[@robbyplaysfantasy3510]

I have a picture of it before I ruined it lol it was really close to that one but I'd love to see it without the reverse headstock

[@Kahuna54]

I’d like to see a review of the Dean Zelinsky La Voce with the thin body please.😊

[@PureAsGold]

It's a tribute to the greatest guitar in the world!!

[@sixstringer3783]

It looks great that being said that control placement and that nut 🤣👏

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Mine finally arrived. It's a little different from this though. It's 27 inches roughly tip-to-tip, so regular Explorer size, and the top has a black binding around it. It actually looks really nice. Sounds good too. Only downside is it has a few sharp frets and a scrape on the headstock. Hopefully I'll get a partial refund for that though. Otherwise it's awesome.

[@oscarpeters5309]

fun fact no one has finished this video yet

[@AmericanNationalist852]

That won't stop that "great video" comments though

[@DragDealer]

Lol 🎃

[@tacob69]

HAHAHA

[@Trog]

I have

[@danielmargolis3210]

Incorrect

[@jp2246]

So spooky

[@harrypothead42024]

I really do want one. As long as it doesn't say Gibson or Epiphone on the head.

[@snap-off5383]

You got one from a factory that doesn't have the epiphone cnc files, or their cnc was down and they winged it by hand. - OR There were many more files in that collection that Gibson/Epiphone were messing around with that they went ahead and printed out.

[@andye3684]

👍

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Good evening Andy.

[@andye3684]

@@sgt.grinch3299 how goes it Sgt.?

[@sgt.grinch3299]

@@andye3684 all is well brother. Chloe and I are enjoying life. How are you Sir?

[@andye3684]

@@sgt.grinch3299 Good to hear.I too am well life is good

[@Jokesonyou6666]

I found epiphone pickups in my chibson les paul custom

[@chrisfry7915]

Nice guitar for the price. I like it when you flip them LEFTY! lol I just got a Lefty Chibson Korina style mahogany Explorer and it is the same size. 30" across. That must be their standard size. Mine has bad fret work and needs them tapped in and leveled. Usually they play ok, but this one is a mess fretwise.

[@peglegpeete9122]

The Chinese guitar sellers on ebay do an incredible custom art job [delivered] for what it would cost for of a good pair of pickups 😁😁😁

[@thenameless3271]

Ordering is a big risk though

[@misterghee1]

Yeah and you can talk with them!!!

[@anonymousanonymous3073]

Interesting guitar. But, can you please play your introduction music etc. I really enjoy that part of the whole show- please 🙏🏽

[@TheAtariCreep]

An oversized Explorer? Right up my ally man. Side note, I just picked up an Epiphone Drab Olive Explorer Saturday and was SHOCKED by how good it was. Ironically the las 3 on the SN is 666. LOL Putting the het set in it. This is a rad guitar regardless of what it is.

[@jimwoodard64]

While it's great you went through the trouble of documenting, I would wonder, "Why?" It's not going to be in the spec of the original or even consistent if someone else ordered one. They don't have to be.

[@Trog]

I did because it doesn't exist and while I'm hopeful one day it will.... it likely won't - just like the Buckethead Jackson from this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp26anSkm5lshac

[@kennethrichardson7757]

Where do you buy your chibson at?

[@lobsterwhisperer7932]

Does Trogly buy fakegibsons?

[@gsbguitarsgsb679]

Damn Troggley you’re rippin’ it. Nice guitar work. Nice guitar! I like it. I just don’t like the all white.

[@ronhoffman7941]

what was the first clean riff or was that yours?

[@Trog]

just noodling

[@henrod27]

If you able to can you please make a guitar review on the new fender aerodyne special stratocaster and telecaster

[@Bluesky5553]

If the price on this was decent enough it would be worth spending a little money to upgrade the pickups and pots and put on a heavier bridge and tailpiece. How were the frets? Were they level?

[@mattmattga]

Brendon Small!!! Home Movies is my fav show of all time

[@picksalot1]

Nice guitar. It does need a "Snowhorse" headstock decal.

[@lurklingX]

wow some of these are SO cool. one of the explorers (ETA: the ghost horse) and both these white-out ones!

[@davidmarks5400]

It sounds pretty good to me,overdrive and clean.

[@misterghee1]

Yeah ffn aggressivvv

[@cyclonejack5159]

I think the Lizzy Hale's body is smaller than a normal Explorer body. More like an Explorer Pro. Much smaller bottom point radius.

[@onkelpool]

I personally really like the sound of these pickups. They have bells 🤩compared to the very similar Squier HBs, they are light simply because of the aluminum base plate. Unfortunately, really poor material, the screw thread tears very easily when the instrument is dropped!😕

[@snap-off5383]

Unfortunately nobody ever tries to talk into a chibson pickup on their reviews, but they're microphones. The instant feedback is more of what changes when you swap them not so much the tone.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@snap-off5383 I will test that when mine arrives. I'm not convinced they are actually microphones. There are tons of different 'Chibson' manufacturers and sellers judging by the amount of fakes on Ali Express. I definitely plan on fitting new pickups when it arrives anyway.

[@snap-off5383]

@@Molotov_Milkshake They're not "microphones" i.e.basically a small speaker wired up to work in reverse. Thy're "microphonic" they've not had their copper coils "wax potted" so the coils themselves vibrate and cause signal on the line. Thus you can talk into them, and hear yourself through the amp. Wax potting stops pickups from doing that.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@snap-off5383 Aren't you just describing a pickup there though? I mean literally, that's all a pickup is...wires wrapped around magnets lol. SMG proves a lot of this mythology to be bullshit.

[@snap-off5383]

@@Molotov_Milkshake No, i'm describing two different types of pickups: Wax potted and not wax potted. The former has great "silence" when not playing' the other acts like a microphone and amplifies every vibration in the guitar whether or not it was from the strings. So when you try to make "silence" in a loud concert with it you get instant screaming feedback that you can't stop since you can only stop the strings from vibrating, not the coils inside the pickups. Wax does that job well. SMG hasn't debunked that basic fact at all. He'll confirm it.

[@tony.guitarplayer]

I have Cort VX2X that the shape looks like explorer but it is small. I have big body and tall. Maybe i would love to having an extra size explorer model to my arsenal

[@cedricBUNKERTON]

another great video - someone help me out tho, what song is at 12:42

[@Trog]

"thunderhorse"

[@cedricBUNKERTON]

@@Trog thanks :)

[@joelmahan]

Sounds great-I suspect it’s basswood which sound great for rock😎

[@TheSlyFreak]

oh man im so happy you made this video. this is genuinely one of my favorite guitars of all time and im so sad it never saw the light of day!

[@ejd715]

Improved pots/pickups and a better cut bone nut and that thing would be epic!

[@TM-ev2tc]

Have you checked out the new digital whammy bars. I haven't seen that much about them, but they are supposed to stay in tune a lot better. Have a good day.

[@Trog]

Being digital - I'd hope so! haha

[@Andrew_182]

I like the larger guitar body. Not that this is, but I wish it was more common to scale the body up when you go baritone like on the buckethead (or even without it being baritone, like this one). I'm a big dude (6'5 260lbs) and normal sized guitars can look like toys on me.

[@Trog]

I hope there is an "oversized" series in the future too! The guitars always seem more "lively" for some reason

[@lokmankamal]

that explorer need aluminium trussrod cover to match the burst

[@clarkbabin9799]

Maybe you wont get a lot of use out of it but have you considered a loop pedalbor board so you get do lead over your rhythm.

[@WaurufEx]

I guess that Trogly could use this guitar to try the Gibson pickups if he ever wants to do that Gibson Pickup Shop video

[@silvernuggets1285]

While I don't dig the sound... Trogly, you are literally holding one of my two dream guitars. A yellow sparkle Les Paul and an ALL WHITE explorer with reverse headstock. I assumed it would be easier to get Gibson to do the sparkle before they'd do an all white.

[@fb1767]

I think it sounds pretty damn good! Trogly is a great guitar reviewer, he's able to make the tones come through nicely without adding too much fluff to the playing.

[@NexusLives]

Just bought one of these on Ebay, because I love the all white look. It's definitely going to be a guitar I use live. Gibson/Epiphone really shot themselves in the foot not making this guitar themselves. 🤘🤘

[@zippyclips346]

Have you got it?

[@NexusLives]

@@zippyclips346 I do. It's a lot better than I thought it would be. Mine has the burst on the head stock and the nut is a matching white. Thought I'd need to adjust the intonation, but it came damn near perfect. (Came with some heavy gauge strings, I actually had to put on "Lighter" 56-13's to get it into C Standard) No dead frets either. Pickups were not micro-phonic, to my surprise, as well. Holds tuning well. It's a chunky boy for sure. The only durpy looking thing about it, is the fret markers. Pretty sure they used a marker, and they are not lined up well. 🤣 It's def on par with a 1k Epiphone, other than the fret markers. I'll try to make a video with it in the not too distant future.

[@deanbartone8187]

I’m actually digging it it would be great if Gibson did make that night that most people can afford it lol but very cool 17:11

[@NarfireVA]

Hearing you play Skyhunter on this thing was definitely a fun surprise

[@Trog]

You'd enjoy the intro to this video then! kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5LGpZKreMqcsMk&ab_channel=TheTrogly%27sGuitarShow

[@robbyplaysfantasy3510]

I have Non chib version one that I made lol I was still learning how to paint back when I did it but now I'm a lot better and will make it as close to the prototype without the reverse of course it's kinda cool but the cartoon version wasn't reversed anyway

[@_alexieprihm_]

can somebody tell me why there is no the trogly;s intro music no more?

[@tonyborg6888]

I want to buy that explorer

[@lurklingX]

daaaaaaaaang, Trog. i hope my playing skills can get to this level. hard to watch sometimes, when you're new and know there is a LONG long road ahead to get to anything decent. well played, tho, ma man. well played.