This is honestly so lazy

We need to talk about some of the major issues with the Acolyte, even in one of the better episodes. That and more in today's Star Wars video!

[@Zwackelmann173]

"Star Wars is goofy and always should be". Well. Andor disagrees. Non goofy and the best Star Wars series by far.

[@Sesuaki19]

And that's exactly why I don't like Andor it just doesn't fit with anything else

[@kassaken6521]

I think the idea of Star Wars needing to fit in a box for a specific group of people/fans is just dumb. Let them diversify. Imagine if Marvel made all the movies the same, like Avengers, Thor, etc. We wouldn't get more mature things like Logan and Deadpool.

[@user-kv2gi5en1y]

Same was with rogue one, and it also was bombastic

[@sittinguphigh]

@@kassaken6521Exactly! The Star Wars universe is massive and should be used as a setting to tell all kinds of stories. Don’t give us a “Star Wars” show or movie, give us a good show or movie in the Star Wars universe. Only shows that do this so far have been Andor, and Clone Wars has experimented with this method in the past.

[@petejohnson7965]

​@@kassaken6521I think what's happened is you enjoyed Star Wars as a kid and now that you've grown up you expect it to have grown with you. It's always been a simple story about good vs evil and sword fighting in space with simple over the top melodrama that a child can understand, because it's aimed at children. There's nothing wrong with enjoying it, we all did, but the audience has always been children.

[@feedstacker]

Watching House of the Dragon where scenes actually take their time and play out and then watching the Acolyte where a scene abruptly ends with a cut every 30 seconds is so jarring. Why can't we get 60 minute episodes so they can actually take their time

[@matsaasrum9775]

Low budget or not tech-available, apparently

[@thewhiteboardist]

​@@matsaasrum9775 wouldn't consider 22 million per episode low budget.

[@DJshaolin]

Thhis exactly how I been thinking

[@ToxicDonut]

Yeah, it’s kinda baffling how we keep getting sub 30 min episodes with the amount of budget that they supposedly have. Wasn’t 5 also supposed to make up for 4’s hilariously short runtime? It’s just as short. We can’t even get Sol mourning his comrades for a bit.

[@matsaasrum9775]

@@thewhiteboardist if it’s not low budget, why are they not able to push the runtime?

[@rajmathew6220]

That little gerbil man is probably the Sith Master

[@richard1493]

It would have been a better reveal than having it be the character everyone thought it was going to be.

[@mxvega1097]

Characters running off, or being stunned and having time out, is just a symptom of a bigger problem: the script and direction just cannot make a cohesive scene, with a purposeful mini-narrative, vignette or exchange, and link it to something larger. The cuts in this were so jarring, and the more they cut, the more the audience thinks wtf where who what now? So the guy carried off by the spawn of Mothra is back, ok, and Mae has had another personality transplant, ok, ... so who's good, bad, shady, about to turn on the company of dim heroes or have a redemptive moment etc. Even Sol seems to be painted as having too many secrets. Ok... but at Ep.5 that's not introducing nuance and complexity, that's narrative incoherence.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Best description of the problem I've seen yet.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Sounds like a usual X-Men/Spider-Man: The Animated Series plotline, my biased mind says.

[@lightningleopard8877]

Yeah, when the Jedi were all fighting the Sith I counted at least 3 times they could’ve gotten and easy fatal blow to him with a slash, a stab, and a cut. But I agree I loved this episode the most out of all them 😅

[@wojtek1582]

It is impossible to avoid when 1 fights against many, but film makers will never learn. In real life you have no chance against many, especially when they surround you. One rare case would be a fully armored knight against bunch of poorly armed and unarmored man, but that would work only if they are very stupid :).

[@lightningleopard8877]

@@wojtek1582 yeah that’s true 😅😂, this usually doesn’t bother me but it was very noticeable able here cause at least the sequels had them swing at nothing but for this they were dead staring at his back for 3 seconds 😅😂

[@cajeb5396]

Blame it on the force mental powers he on debuffing the Jedi lol

[@TheAns51]

Well in revenge of the sith, anakin vs obi-wan there are also few moments where other could have easily strike another or slash. Same with qui-gon & obi-wan vs Maul. That's why i love original trilogy lightsaber fight. Even tho they are slower, they actually look like they are dueling and trying to disarm one another and not just going spins and flashy moves.

[@jilliebean6312]

@@wojtek1582nah in real life there is a chance depending on how skilled you are and depending on wether its hand to hand or not and especially depending on how many i have actually seen a dude win a 1v5 before and im not making it up believe me or dont its actually possible just extremely hard and you have to be able to use your own adrenaline in a good and healthy way rather than just succumbing to fear and what not

[@wolfen8622]

Man launched like 8 Jedis with a force push, eliminated like 6 of them just to get F‘ed by couple of big moths. …mkay😑

[@mikeahlswede9865]

Yeah I didn't get that either lol.

[@thecaveofcreatures1728]

I really liked the bugs carrying him away. Felt very in line with Star Wars' tone, particularly Rebels trope of using of big monsters to attack your adversaries

[@gustavottosson4550]

I thought it was corny and very childish, the bad guy can beat every jedi but when the main character brings the bugs it stops him… the bugs had no other purpose and got introduced in the last episode to have Osha do something clever (goofy in my opinion)

[@Sesuaki19]

​@@gustavottosson4550See I can understand if you don't like the show but this is just pure hating

[@wojti225]

@@gustavottosson4550 When were those bugs meant to be established if not in the last episode? In the first episode? Before the show even started? Those bugs were the reason for why it was not recommended to go to the forest during the night. About the first argument: I would like to see an assasin defeating about a dozen of spiders that are about as big as a child and they want to kill him or at least do something to him. It's important to note that he defeated those bugs, so as you said they stopped him, but this way the jedi also stopped him. He didn't defeat them by sanpping his fingers.

[@gustavottosson4550]

@@wojti225 @sesuaki19 i guess What i dont like about it, is that it is bugs, because it feels like its always a creature these days, that stops him in the end. It just feels off and sort of lasy writing

[@jilliebean6312]

Thats not the “starwars tone” thats just the childish tone of the cartoons that was probably the only terrible thing about this episode, be careful not to compare the live action universe to the looney toon starwars universe they look and feel different for a reason

[@GamersJoyRide]

Shouldn't the tracker be tracking the real Osha after smelling the Pip and not the fake Osha? 🤷🏽‍♂🤷🏽‍♂

[@teslercoil5174]

I don't think he tracked his way back to the ship. That would be dumb as we see sol and Mae find their way back just fine 😂

[@jilliebean6312]

Sadly i bet no one else can speak his language even though im sure he can just write them messages but lets see if leslye is smart enough… shes probably not

[@maxzifox4787]

@@jilliebean6312if he can’t speak the common language, what makes you think he’ll be able to write it? Can you write in a language you don’t understand just because you’re asked to?

[@jilliebean6312]

@@maxzifox4787 yes im 100% sure starwars races can read and write in “basic”, the universal language is basic remember english isnt a language in starwars we just hear that because the audience doesnt wanna read subtitles the whole time there are other races who just speak in noises but they have to be able to atleast understand basic and the universal written language to survive and communicate with the trillions of other sentient beings that also speak in gibberish sounds like wookies

[@jilliebean6312]

@@maxzifox4787 he couldnt even speak the common language if he learned it he has a snout not a humanoid mouth its the same with wookies

[@lorddedionware7526]

Honestly, the fight was so good I didn't even notice the lazy transitions

[@Sevenfold120]

IMO the scenes with the Jedi temple just felt off. It didnt seem like its the Jedi temple. The Jedi we saw seem less imposing, kinda normal. I didnt feel like any of them were all that powerful. Not the same feeling that we got from the prequels.

[@tanuki9691]

that was intentional... this was 100 years before the rest of the films, the jedi were in a golden age and hadn't been in a war for a long time.

[@suryaselvakumar5385]

@@tanuki9691 I think the greatly overworked vfx artists also contributed to the lesser detail of Coruscant.

[@vmthelegend5140]

That counts also for the prequels though ​@@tanuki9691

[@T95man]

Bro beat like 6 Jedi but is beaten by 4 large flys. Like. What!

[@MrTragedious986]

It was alright but I could care less but if it was overdone I would get bothered by it.

[@Eficiente_VSB]

It shouldn't be goofy in places where it shouldn't, like a fight scene. It can be goofy elsewhere. Simple.

[@janoslambert-cannon7146]

the acolyte very quickly went from a bad stars wars show to a bad show in general. Credit where its due, the fight choreography was pretty decent and better than other recent star wars projects but the story and motives are extremely lacking. Most people stopped watching early on (including myself, I stopped after ep 1 as the show failed to hook me) and won't see the "decent" parts of the show

[@duartebraganca7785]

The Giant bugs scene is one of my favorite parts

[@rb4090]

I edited star wars acolyte and condensed all 5 episodes, it has a 64-minute runtime. It has good bones for low budget movie. where did the money go because it didn't go to editing and writing.

[@LVLCOOP]

Him getting carried away by bugs was the dumbest plot move ever. He murdered like 3 Jedi’s at one and ur thinking a couple bugs will kill him like what

[@NoGoodNames20]

I don’t think the point was the bugs would kill him. The bugs would buy time to escape.

[@eugger3011]

Yes, because he probably wasn't familiar with the bugs, while he's probably been studying the Jedi for years. You could be a Special Forces Navy Seal that could take out an entire room full of soldiers, but still have trouble with a small group of hyenas.

[@Randy-ry9ss]

Let's put you in a field with a bunch of mosquitos and see if it doesn't distract you..............Mosquitos kill hundred's of thousands of people a year!

[@suryaselvakumar5385]

@@eugger3011 He seems to be pretty powerful with the force, if he could push a whole group of Jedi he should be able to push some big bugs off him.

[@eugger3011]

@@suryaselvakumar5385 He was able to Force push all the Jedi because he was anticipating them and had time to charge it up while they were running at him. He was completely caught off-guard by the bugs. Just because a Force user can perform an action in one context doesn't mean they can do it all the time. It's the same reason that Jedi aren't constantly Force pushing and pulling in battle.

[@heeee2005]

I think he does that because he has other priorities. It’s ok if one jedi that doesn’t know his identity escapes, but Mae escaping is much worse. You can see he only does that when he has a reason to

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

We deserved more fights with Daphne Keen. We deserved more scenes that utilize Daphne Keen's multifaceted skillset period.

[@milestrombley1466]

Ants: "We can defeat Kang the Conqueror!" Alien flies: "Hold our egg sack!"

[@plokoon9619]

This has always been a problem with Star Wars, writers love shoving in duels between characters where nobody can die/get seriously hurt. It even got to the point in TCW where Dooku has a escape hatch built into every ship and room he's going to be in

[@chilidogcats]

Haven't seen it . . . and like Episode 9, I'll never see it.

[@Brettman04]

I think Mae woke up way to fast from being stunned. That's supposed to knock someone out.

[@BJackson-kg5dr]

He goal was to kill his pupil after the encounter he saw only master sol as a threat but not one he can’t deal with so he went to deal with his main problem first I liked the mysterious vanishing because each time you worried about Mae and who’s with her

[@micah9794]

What are you talking about? This is high art! Academy award winning cinema. Will be watched for generations to come. The apex of entertainment..."ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?" Honesty, the best we can hope for is some other company buying Lucasfilm and immediately pressing the delete button on the show

[@iverntheboneless9583]

Hm good point however fights were really good. He coul immidiately kill Mae or not Yord after cutting his leg. Its 50/50 for me, from one side he should kill them fast, from the other he had to chase Mae. Coll detail is she was scarred as hell. With bugs at first i got sad and disapointed thinking they ended "Sith lord".

[@Dadum-bass]

It drives me nuts. I know its a small detail. . . But when someone stands by watching their master/fellow/friend fight a bad guy. . . It feels like a D&D campaign where people are waiting for their turn. Ie: why the F**K wasnt Master Sol re-engaging the bad guy when his apprentice moved in? We've seen 2-on-1 lightsaber duels. Why wait? Happens wayyyyy to much in this show.

[@lunarmodule6419]

Acolyte last 3 Ep are just silly, it's a high school play. Buuuut I was called out for being "negative" because the "neck snapping" was great and new in SW, and this episode was AMAZING! no...

[@bencarlson4300]

Anything can happen in any story, if you back it up with good reasoning. The problem with this show is that I haven’t seen much if any good reasoning for anything.

[@psoma_brufd]

I actually think that was great, he didn't _need_ i kill the Jedi yet, Mae was his target so whenever he got the opportunity, he chased after Mae to prevent her escape.

[@RCScorch]

Imagine a Star Wars like HotD. why can’t they do that lol

[@MortarGuyX]

I'm sorry but when did lightsabers in the shows start looking like frosted glass glowsticks instead of the usual two tone white core look? I just seemed to notice it a lot more in these clips of the Acolyte, is it a stylistic choice because of the High Republic era or has this been a thing for a while now?

[@KainGerc]

when you have the gerbil-man, for absolutely no apparent reason, pick up the plot important macguffin droid and carry it with him just so it can be important in one of the next episodes. that's when you know the writers are not even trying.

[@thezackattack5328]

Like putting a special CD in a trash can and sending it to a desert planet to find an old man…

[@KainGerc]

@@thezackattack5328 at least there is some logic with Leia sending a droid with a message to find Obi-Wan. (who she knows about and think that he could help her) here random things keep happening without reason or clear character motivations, only because it is needed for the plot later.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Fill me in, please: Of what use has that droid proven to be as a macguffin? Who wants or cares about it other than Osha? And why? I haven't seen that it has any use or even any personality. Have I missed something?

[@KainGerc]

@@kirkdarling4120 it was very obviously set up to be used in a future episode. Something like the gerbil-man bringing the Droid to Sol at a crucial moment to help him realize that Mae is not Osha in some way. (I didn't say it would be a good setup, but the writers for this show are that bad) For example how they awkwardly introduced the giant moths in episode 4 and later had them be used in episode 5.

[@Juel92]

I thought he scampered off because he had main targets and he didn't care much about the rest. But yeah the bug thing is dumb. I guess they couldn't comfortably arrest him due to his powers maybe but letting him be carried of by bugs was so weird.

[@Emma_2Banks]

Disney? Lazy? Noooo waaaaaay

[@gideonsamuel7155]

Personally I actually have to disagree with this. I don’t find it lazy and whether it truly was intentional or not, I find it realistic. The Sith have not been discovered in a millennium and are not yet ready to reveal themselves to the Jedi Order. Every Jedi that the Sith attacked or that saw another being attacked had to be killed so that none of the Jedi could alert the rest of the order that the Sith had indeed returned. To do this the Sith had to sacrifice killing some of his opponents for instead chasing others who were simultaneously running away. This was to ensure that no witnesses got off the planet. This may not seam very Sith like as a Sith almost never resists the urge to kill unless the victim is needed for something but the Sith is so powerful that he knows that he could kill everyone in an even more satisfying way later anyways. He does and he brutally kills all the Jedi in the same place close together in a brutal manner letting them see each other die and get engulfed in grief and rage. The only survivors that the Sith fails to kill or capture for whatever reason are Mae and Master Sol and that weird beaver thing. I’m sure he will accomplish this in episodes to come.

[@jasonmcdiarmid4047]

Every show or movie seems to need some version of Jar Jar.

[@epictoe7179]

I’m getting mixed messages here, did you like it or not?

[@thesleepingpower]

Comparing his reaction to say, screencrush, I'd say no, he did not like it.

[@DalleDC]

Have not watched this show, but from the few clips in this video alone... Man that looks bad, like a fan video 😂. Except the giant flies, no fan is that dumb 😅

[@entropy11]

Scamper Wars

[@user-zq8fd7gx1n]

Is that a Ewok

[@TJ_mx]

This is the most janky Star Wars ever I swear

[@seanfritz7999]

he's no Sith, obviously a pretender.

[@eugger3011]

He's the first Knight of Ren. Kylo's theme played twice in the episode.

[@SouthPilot]

He’s the Sith apprentice

[@nmz3450]

​@@eugger3011A knight ren destroyed 5 jedi, God why are all the jedi so useless, light side is seriously nerfed in the star wars universe

[@eugger3011]

@@nmz3450 He's not just "a Knight of Ren", he could be the first Knight of Ren. He could be more powerful than Kylo.

[@Collins311]

This is somewhat my only real criticism of the Disney SW/MCU shows. They are not being made for episodic television viewing. They are being made as one big story that gets chopped up into however many episodes they need to fill in the schedule to get as many subscribers. Episode 4 and 5 of the alcolyte is a perfect example of the narrative being chopped up to make the episode count. It hurts the narrative flow. Obi-Wan was victim to this and it was made even more clear by a fan edit release that made the show into a movie that was very very very good relative to the show. They either need to make these into movies, extend the episodes while writing them as TV episodes, or just release them all at once so they can be viewed all together. I mean that was kind of the promise of streaming in the first place :)

[@RayOfTruth]

I didn't mind it.

[@richle905]

Lucas was never lazy.... 😆 "the force" is just lazy writing. Since when are Star Wars fans offended by lazy writing??

[@sublis939]

The Sith was beaten by bugs… Jesus fucking Christ that’s so shit.

[@eugger3011]

Yes, because he probably wasn't familiar with the bugs, while he's probably been studying the Jedi for years. You could be a Special Forces Navy Seal that could take out an entire room full of soldiers, but still have trouble with a small group of hyenas.

[@reeceemms1643]

I think if they are going to have shorter seasons. Then I think the episodes should be longer. That’s coming from a guy who likes this show.

[@sheevpalpatine6635]

Kenobi-itis

[@austinjacobs7680]

This show is so bad compared to house of the dragon it’s laughable

[@korpiz]

This is because the “writers” arnt writers, they are ideology driven activists. Quality for them isn’t story telling it’s how well they promote their ideology, in that sense this series is a complete success. Which also means this isn’t art, it’s propaganda.

[@Jerrance-wi1yo]

Complaining just to complain

[@AlessiaCower]

This conversation is a reminder that our voices matter and that we have the power to shape the narrative and drive change.💝