This is how Broken Maximum Gold Bonus is | Dungeon Clawler

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Today we go for a speedrun in Dungeon Clawler, since a viewer asked me to do one after seeing the speedrun of Jokefish • SPEEDRUNNING Dungeon C...
But instead of normal difficulty, I wanted to do it on Nightmare Difficulty. Before the run I did consider what I want to do, but the plan was rather rough: Get the magnetic claw combined with Count Clawcula, since that means we can do very quick and large grabs to attack. The lifesteal will keep as alive as long as we don't lose in a single big attack. On level ups I wanted to have at least 1 magnet, but the rest is just whatever metallic thing we can get that is not too big - the last thing we want to have is issues with big metallic weapons and the magnet, for example that it gets stuck or just due to size causes items to fall off.
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[@DexTag]

I constantly see a back and forth about Bargain, whether it should be 50%, anything between 50 and 95%, or 100%. And since I voice my opinion let me explain my thought process. The main game is the story mode and after that it can continue in 2 ways: A) You take what you achieved, the game becomes harder and more expensive, and you see how far your run takes you. B) You turn on Sandbox mode (not literally, but close to it) and people can try out whatever they want to do. And I assume this is where the big conflict comes from. My take on this is that forcing A is not a good choice, simply because many builds are locked behind free costs, e.g. many runs we did that were a ton of fun (and combined made up 90% of my playtime) simply wouldn't be possible anymore. Let's say you want a run with 250 waterguns and push them in, or whatever it is, you can't do that anymore. So my suggestion on the Discord was that there is an Arcade mode or whatever you wanna call it, one that returns 20 Bargains. You still gotta work for them to keep it interesting, but it is available again. The interesting part is that you can still figure out just how far a build can go in a best case scenario. And the normal mode will stay as it is and once you go Endless, you test the skill and luck involved to make your build and see how far it gets. That way both A and B would be possible and happy. But excluding B is in my opinion not a good choice from any perspective.

[@aaronscott7467]

To be honest, I think the game is just poorly balanced from both me playing it myself and watching you play it. It is fun, at least to watch, but there are a lot of items that normally would be one-use effects that you can just get again and again, while there are other items where they feel like they should be usable repeatedly but instead are one-use. Personally, I don't mind them removing bargain 20, but I feel like they should have reduced the scaling when they did so

[@glebglub]

maybe they'll add a character whose gimmick is they're twins, whose keychain doubles EVERYTHING, so 2x item power, 2x limits, enemies attack 2x more times, block 2x, etc.

[@zigaudrey]

@@glebglub And I made a character that only use one claw but make items stronger.

[@Damian-rp2iv]

Very glade some people have this mindset. I'm also very tired of game dev "balancing" solo player game like it was something you have to do, even if it ruin all the fun... I'm ok with a main chalenge being balanced obviously, but here, in endless that's far away from the main challenge. And indeed, player that dont like it can simply not take it, no need to force this choice to everybody. So thanks a lot Mothaniel for this take, I hope a lot of people will hear it and that some game dev that to understand

[@Fulmir-]

Should have left the Hands in. They were still giving significant gold and that was helping offset costs and increase your scaling.

[@DexTag]

The Gold was around 200 per stage IIRC, compared to the 1500-2000g we got from the income it wasn't worth it to risk losing the game (that's the reason I removed them, it made it hard to grab out)

[@KuroroSama42]

@@DexTag Yeah, that was the right call. 10% more gold isn't worth the risk and loss in damage potential. Maybe you could have kept the hands a bit longer, but it would have been minor. Your main problem after that was just a lack of gold daggers - more would mean more getting magnetized every turn and more getting in the chute. Also, I think getting rid of the 2nd magnet was a mistake. You were barely getting any more clumps after that.

[@xBrokenMirror2010x]

I hope they un-limit Bargain. Honestly, it doesn't matter if you reach 100% discount. If anything Bargain is too weak. Pre-Endless, a 5% discount is pretty weak when compared to some of the moderately strong perks. Limiting it to 10 makes it cap at 50% which does literally nothing by the time you're able to reach all 10, because 50% of the infinity price scaling is still infinitely more money then you can obtain. Bargain was perfectly fine at 100% discount because obtaining 20 bargains was something you could only do if your build was already absolutely insane and going to the moon. If they really want Bargain to cap at 50%, then Bargain should be a limit 1 or 2 perk that gives 50% discount or 25% discount, so it at least has a significant immediate impact in non-endless mode.

[@mak20attack24]

I believe the savings account is giving 100 and then x400%, so 500 gold per savings account. Just like the monsters 1 gold is actually 5 gold. Because at 23:25 you have 2 savings accounts and got 1000 gold. You figured it out in the video as I watched lol

[@KAMIKAZE557]

+400%* bc 100 gold x 400% = 400 gold

[@Damian-rp2iv]

And it appear on the character at the end of the round

[@Damian-rp2iv]

@@KAMIKAZE557 +400% is not the same as 400%. It was even explained during the video... Anyway, +400% = x5

[@KAMIKAZE557]

@@Damian-rp2iv they said x400%

[@Damian-rp2iv]

​@@KAMIKAZE557 @mak20attack24 indeed use a strange phrasing but it's still pretty clear that it was about x100% + x400% total. And once again, not even _one minute_ into the video, Dex explain it himself: "Just to clarify this to avoid any confusion 400% bonus coins obviously means that we get 500% in total". So plz stop wasting people time acting like a smartass, thanks

[@xs-pp]

Vote to rename Mothaniel to Mothdaniel for the guy with the most playtime in this game.

[@zigaudrey]

More Happy Bernie! YAHOO! 11:31 Guy, please, let the treasure alone... Thank you! 12:02 Almost a golden blob of doom! 14:30 For once, Bernie pass a turn 15:41 Giantism is nothing compared to the golden armor! 18:39 Golden dagger blob of doom! 20:22 Cool formation from the magnet 20:51 I love that guy (Bernie)! 21:53 I learn you are called Daniel 25:05 Really? 26:41 No pain, no gain! 28:13 HELL NUMBER! 33:41 Dead by money Bernie super-values the potential of money!

[@MrMordethrhedan]

the day they fix magnet flying around is the day the game lose half it's fun

[@WolfkunDotInfo]

Maybe they should make it so all the perk limits are disabled when transition to endless

[@mauricebenink]

I do think bargain shouldve been less powerfull, but instead make the discount less and less. Something like discount = 1×0.95^{piggy banks} That way it never becomes free but you can keep up with the prices increasing exponentially

[@DexTag]

The problem is that everything in the game exponentially increases, so even if you put it to a maximum of 99.99% you'll still rather quickly run into issues that you can't pay for anything. Like e.g. to get the exact things you want, you sometimes have to roll 50-200 times, even if it starts at 1 that's gonna end up on more than what you'd ever earn

[@Yrib-fc7jf]

@@DexTag i beleive that bargin should be capped at 60% to 75% discount, this way it never becomes free and it always costs a decent amount of gold

[@kaspir6193]

I Got to floor 65

[@KuroroSama42]

@@DexTag I don't think that's really a problem. Yes, it's called "endless", but the game still wants it to end. If you can literally go infinite, then there's no point to doing it. It's not a challenge and "having the highest score" just means you had more time to waste, not a better strategy. There's nothing to pride yourself in when getting that high score. And having everything cost 0 is one factor that helps players potentially go infinite. Even if the costs stayed cheap, it would be the same problem as being 0. It has to (eventually) out-scale any kind of ridiculous money gain you can set up to prevent infinite purchasing.

[@DexTag]

@@KuroroSama42 the limit is that not every build can keep up with the growth of the enemies, or rather no build can. The exponential scaling of the enemies will always call an end to it. But you were able to go for any build, not just builds that try to go the furthest, but whatever you have on your mind can be done. This is no longer possible unless you reset fights

[@Blockschrott]

Spiffing Brit: Let's break Dungeon Clawler Me: I don't know, It misses the German efficiency The REAL Dungeon Clawler exploiter:

[@wolfblades90]

I guess getting hit for 1 million damage is more fun than having 20 stacks of bargain.

[@kaspir6193]

I gave that Idea to jokefish and now ur using it Im honored

[@dfunited1]

I just noticed that Golden Armor behavior was tweaked a little: HP is now updated at the beginning of each encounter. Previously it would update your HP mid-battle based on current HP.

[@Zorgdub]

The ink guy is actually a good reason to have a couple of golden daggers turned into cloth or plastic! That way they float up to the top.

[@connor_awesome6482]

21:56 dex name reveal :0

[@DexTag]

I actually told that story a few times (though with the streams/amount of videos it's a tiny % of videos) that my name is Daniel Alexander and Dex is a combination of both names - Daniel alEXander :D

[@mmhmnms]

omg dexaniel lore

[@mihai1997]

Why can i hear Mr. Crabs or Spamton running towards this video at MACH speeds?

[@chaoschris8194]

"I overdo it a little bit" with gold? YOU!? Overdo greed?! NEVER!

[@JosiahBradley]

Always fun to laugh along with Dex.

[@malcolmmackenzie9202]

15:45 20 hp or 349hp ahahah what a choice to make

[@Steadyforkempire]

The reason you get so much gold after fights is the savings account is multiplied by 5 too so you get a max of 500 with just one

[@toxicfinger]

hey @dex, with this style of game when you get to the point of droppoing the gloves, try to have a parana so when you drop the gloves, the fishy can help delete the extra fluff making it a bit easier. just a thought.

[@southpawcyclops]

You can slightly bypass the inked effect by using the claw machine overview button

[@DexTag]

It works really well on a character without a timelimit, but with the 3 second limit (less on Ultra) it gets really hard to check out stuff sadly

[@gnth9552]

Ah, the simpleton's taste of what 20x bargain felt like🤵‍♂

[@olivierdasilva5585]

Next dungeon clawler you could remove the hard cap for savings account and remove the 10 stack cap and change it to 20 for bargain

[@Mendium_69]

New video! Much obliged! One suggestion, if I could, don't do “upcoming” thing in the beginning, I hate to know whats coming.

[@KuroroSama42]

Non-metal hand of midas is a downgrade. When it's metal, it gets pulled by the magnets more and moves around to affect more fluff. And it getting pulled out doesn't really matter, since it has already done its job. If you had more fluff and/or fluff were appearing on later turns, then you'd want the hand sticking around to catch the new fluff, but you didn't have that happening.

[@Topfpflanze77]

hi

[@gabbablaqqblaqq6341]

Jemand hat in mein toaster gekackt

[@greenaum]

I think the mistake was when you shredded all your useful stuff. A gold build kindof needs the Hands.

[@YourLocalBeaver]

Guys guess what, this is the 69th comment (also i dont understand why they limited bargain because it barely does anything early game, it takes so long to even get to 50%, the game has scaled so much it's barely even worth it.)

[@malcolmmackenzie9202]

Non metal magnet is great so they dont stick to eachother directly and shouldn't cause so many problems with one magnet pulling the other magnet away from the exit

[@RobValenzula-i9x]

Durgan Drives

[@MithicSpirit]

Imo bargain should be unlimited but multiplicative. So the first one reduces it to 95%, then the second one reduces that by 5% (to 90.25%). Although then by the 20th one you're still at around 36%, so maybe it should be a slightly bigger discount.

[@Dumbrarere]

It still doesn't make any sense in endless mode, with how costs scale. By super late game, it needs to be free or you wouldn't be able to afford anything.

[@marvinkurzmanowski5645]

I wish hed post a Playlist of his vids music or smth

[@tontj]

The bargain limit makesit hard to go the higher floor on endless

[@Sabotai2]

Holy shields and knuckles whstnot could have taken this run alot further if ye had taken them when they were offered.

[@DexTag]

Not really, look at the scaling of the enemies. At best thats a few floors but with fights that will take ages. Like the fights already started taking a couple of minutes to get through a boss, but in a few floors they would have so much HP that you easily spend 30 minutes on it and you have to pick up the things in time. I don't see a reason to minmax that

[@michealwestfall8544]

You supposed to change both magnets into cloth.

[@PixlGamr906]

At 4:20 look at the time then look at the amount of gold

[@PixlGamr906]

It’s actually scripted 💀

[@Birb_nerd]

No way 💀

[@russellmedel5796]

Man i just want to say it out to you ( i think it isn't patched) if you exit the game and rejoin back in the room it resets it

[@marcalcantara1174]

The paws are very fun now and all but I think they should nerf them real hard cause they trivialize the game so much, instead of them giving 100% of the thing their character does they should give a small bonus, like these being maybe 25% or so instead of 100%

[@neefyu]

Hey dex, would you like to try peglin? I think you would love it :)

[@lymboxx]

Have you seen TheSpiffingBrit featuring you in his latest video?

[@maxwel1]

Ich habe den auch gerade gespielt. Bin beim 1. Boss gestorben. Auf easy -.-

[@tomroethke]

Yayyy

[@s_m_v]

They "fixed" _Bargain_ ?? That sux.

[@cefcephatus]

Yeah, 95% survice price sounds fair for endless.

[@muhammedsedatmammadov453]

Day 18 of asking you to play "Wall World"

[@Strill_]

Why are you skipping perk rooms?! The whole reason I'm here to watch is to see you break the game. What's the point of watching if you're gonna skip out on breaking the game?

[@BrainBunter]

Dex alles liebe dir, bist sympathisch hoch 10 aber unnormal /dex all love to u, u are sympathik high as 10 but unnormaly Hab dich lieb bro