This is HUGE.

This is a biggie. Quite a revelation in tonight's video about the Eagles' current live performances.
Referenced Performances -
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TIME STAMPS -
0:00 Intro
2:01 Important Information
3:19 The Two Vocals (Panned)
4:45 Audio Interpretation
5:42 Why They Shouldn't Match
6:07 An Important Technical Example
7:50 30 Frames Per Second Reference
9:05 The Comparison
10:54 Identical Audio
14:44 Spanish Castle Magic
15:24 It Can’t Be?!
17:00 More Examples
24:34 Pièce de Résistance
25:51 Ethical Implications
27:55 In Conclusion
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[@coffeemachtspass]

Henley is so protective of The Eagles’ music that he won’t even let The Eagles perform it.

[@markclements7767]

🤣🤣🤣

[@codetech5598]

Got to maintain the brand image.

[@elizabethmiller7291]

Integrity went out the window a long time ago. Hope you signed Fil's petition!

[@tproudboomer5965]

😂You win the internet today!😂

[@Aglaja_]

😂 - 👍👍👍

[@TheRealBozz]

Legend has it that Henley once tried to sue the audiences at Eagles concerts for copyright infringement because they sang along with him...

[@alcambrola2834]

I heard a lot of stories about Henley and he sounds like a classic Douchebag.

[@triax7006]

Probably jealous because they can sing it live, in tune & no need to rely on miming.

[@TheFlyboyjon]

HAHAHAHAHAHA best comment

[@-dugair]

It's true! I was in that lawsuit. Nothing happened... because the case was thrown out when the prosecutor couldn't prove who we were singing along with. The same guy tried to prosecute Jimi Hendrix for Treason because... ""That's NOT how the Star Spangled Banner goes."" Cheers!

[@waldograde]

Sooooo funny!!

[@betterinthe80sdude]

I went to a Paul McCartney concert last year and heard a lot of complaints that his voice is shot, and he doesn't sound like he use to. After more than 65 years of singing, an 80 year old man shouldn't be expected to sound like his 20 year old self. To me, it was a dream come true to hear him live, as he is, and to sing along with a Beatle. I would hate if he had audio people making him sound better or lip synced to audio recorded years before. It was truly a special night because it was live music.

[@staceym.parker8122]

Man screw those blokes

[@AdamWaffen]

There’s a lot of women that have voices that have aged well. Mike Reno is 70+ and can still belt it out and sounds as good if not better- the old man can work with it.

[@davidgreenwood6029]

I think Leonard cohen is an example of someone who grew artistically as he aged so much so that no one cared what happened to his voice.

[@j_e_hill]

I agree and it’s unrealistic to think a man of that age can actually perform three hours a night on an endless tour. I saw him front row twenty years ago and it was obvious then that he was selectively miming some of the music and singing others. I didn’t feel cheated but I understand some will argue it’s misleading. I was just grateful. That said, I saw Paul Simon a short time after, and I could hear his vocals over the microphone at times and it gave me chills. So there is power in the actual singing of the songs for sure.

[@JoeRivermanSongwriter]

I saw him playing Glastonbury and he sounded great. Even though he had a lot of backup in the vocal department you could still hear his voice and it wasn’t too bad. I think the gig was a one-off.

[@grahameosheadrums]

This video is 3 months old??? This might be the longest lasting Eagles video on the internet (other than the band themselves). Congrats!!!

[@universalassociates6857]

Fil is like Lieutenent Colombo investigating the music industry. They can’t get away with it.

[@Vinnie-cv5qv]

all that is missing is the old trench coat

[@universalassociates6857]

@@Vinnie-cv5qv and one eye😉

[@blackswanstudios6632]

I'm glad he has a platform to get the word out there. I've been making this exact claim since 2008, where Don Henley would lip sync the bridge to "Waiting In The Weeds" (100 % mathematically perfect AND 100 % identical performance every single time but only of the bridge of the song, which was by far the most challenging part of the tune vocally.). They played the song to a click and would would simply play a lead vocal track when that tough bridge came in. So they've been mixing "real vocals" with "faked vocals" since 2008.

[@ericanderson9706]

@@universalassociates6857And one nasty cheap cigar!

[@bobjohnson1587]

Columbo. 🙂

[@longcastle4863]

Fil is doing the music industry a service, they just don’t realize it yet.

[@billhunt7862]

Great comment. Fil is doing the music fan community a service, and we do realize it now.

[@elizabethmiller7291]

WE real music lovers and fellow, ah, Wingers, must do our part to help Fil expose what is happening in the music industry today and basically say to them all that, "We're mad as Hell and we're NOT going to take it anymore!!!"

[@melodyann44]

Exactly

[@MarcByrne]

@@elizabethmiller7291 So right! He's just started something, well.... he's been starting it for a while now. Doing well. The industry cannot get away with this.

[@elizabethmiller7291]

@@MarcByrne The industry is making too much money on the use of pitch correction making mediocre singers and great singers sound the same. What baffles my mind is why great artists don't fight back and label their art as the real McCoy??? What has been exposed here, though, is all about a great artist trying to pull the wool over our eyes ...er, ears.

[@howabouthat8606]

I was listening with headphones, focusing on hearing two vocals, then realized I'm hearing two crowds, one vocal.

[@peterkennett33]

In 2011 I was invited to sit with the Eagle's guitar tuner down in the dugout on stage during their 2011 The Long Road Out of Eden world tour n Singapore. After 30 minutes I wandered over to the audio technician and took a few photos before Don Henley came down and was freaking out and told the technician to make sure I didn't photograph anything. Too late. I wasn't aware at first why there was such a big issue - until I watched the tech closely and saw that he was queuing in vocal tracks for Don. That was in 2011! I have that photo if you want to see it.

[@emailuser8104]

I'd be interested in seeing it

[@LL-rb8wd]

I definitely want to see it!

[@guitarchitectural]

Yes please

[@jamesmick8653]

I do.

[@peterkennett33]

@@jamesmick8653I can’t upload images here.

[@christopherwoycke1959]

Live sound engineer here. In short, I agree with everything you have posted. In fact, I'm surprised things lined up as well as they did. Let me explain. First of all, these are audience recordings form two different shows, at two different locations, from two different seats in the venue. On tour, many things are the same, yet at each venue the systems engineer decides how many speaker cabinets are hung and their configuration for that venue. The acoustics of each venue is different. There most likely are front fill speakers, main hangs and for large shows, delay hangs. Skipping past things, there will be slight frequency changes in what the audience hears and even time delay changes from seat to seat. Temperature and humidity will change the vocal output of the performer, the microphone, the output of the PA and how sound travels thru the venue. For myself, I have many recallable scenes for each song on the setlist, yet I will make adjustments night after night. I may also vary the many effects I have for each instrument and vocal from night to night. Back to the beginning: There is no way in hell, that was a live vocal performance. To put it another way: If you had Pavarotti in a vocal booth, in a recording studio and asked him to sing the same song twice, 5 minutes apart.......it would not line up this close.

[@RogerJL]

An advertising company might replace the music on two videos to show how great the show is... Comparing more recordings would is important.

[@David8n]

Surely everyone involved with the show would know that it was happening? Could they keep it a secret?

[@overwhamming]

@@David8n 100% those people had to sign NDAs and would get sued to the ends of the Earth if they ever said anything.

[@NurseKathi]

And now I've had an awesome lesson from a live sound engineer master class instructor! Seriously grateful thank you. Attended many large concerts in the late 60s-70s, think it was different back then. Saw Paul McCartney May 2022 outdoors in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, and the sound was perfect. Heard afternoon sound check from parking lot. Memory of 20,000 fans singing along brings tears. You are the unsung hero - no pun intended but still funny. Thanks to Fil, too.

[@christopherwoycke1959]

@@David8n Playback of some sorts during a live show is almost an industry standard these days. The only people (besides the band) that would know exactly what is going-on would be the house and monitor engineers and they are hired by the band for the tour. Unless you want to commit career suicide, you never discuss the exact details with anyone else.

[@ginnyvogel7754]

Fil is a guy who speaks the truth without ill will or belittlement. Thank you, Fil, for presenting the facts in this dignified way.

[@morbidmanmusic]

it is just harder to spot!~

[@-dugair]

It could've been presented as informatively and with the same degree of accuracy in the space of 10 minutes. He recognizes that he's repeating himself throughout the video I think it's because he's NOT out to GET anyone. And subconsciously he's still coming to grips with what he's uncovered. We have a gray area where science and art (music) overlap. Do you choose between being a musician or a technician or can you be both? Where do you draw the line? Is 70% technique and 30% technology still music? Are you a composer or a programmer? Does there have to be a line? When Rap started to happen 40 whatever years ago, I would say to people "Music has all been done." Historically music started with rhythm... Drumming and Chanting. Over time people invented instruments and became technically proficient. On whatever was invented. Jazz came along around the same time as electricity with crazy time signatures and people trying to fill in all the gaps with more sounds. Different styles cross-pollinated and fused together★thanks to electricity the world was changing fast. ★Then somebody thought we could hear it better if we use some of this electricity technology.★And It Was Loud!★It Rocked & It Rolled!Music progressed to get technically more complex... & Louder! This Progressive Fusion of Styles this Wall of Sound started chasing its own tail till its head was up its own ass & became a Punk. Music had come full circle and we were back at the beginning like the Cavemen... ★Drumming & Chanting plus primitive Tech became =RAP= Like the whole history of Music ran its course and started over again. Singing was like the last element of music to be faked by technology. But that went out with Auto-Tune & harmonizers. If you could go back & tell the 16 year old me that everybody would be carrying around a multi track recording studio with instant worldwide. access to most of the media created in the last century... I would ask what you were smoking. Oh and if you told me Eagles were still out on the road at $250 a tik. mimeing Desperado to geriatric ex-hippies drinking craft beer & shouting Boogie! I would say "Suckers!" & ask.. "Are any of Emerson Lake & Palmer still playing? And I would want to know if Golden Earring lasted longer than the Stones... Cheers! Wow... I got kind of carried away there... I should delete this.

[@CBrolley]

@@-dugairNonsense, don’t delete it. In fact I’m looking forward to your SECOND novel.

[@h.calvert3165]

I'm so impressed by how respectful he is, as well as obviously knowledgeable. I can't understand half of what he says, because I'm not musically trained. Nevertheless, I think he's wonderful. He seems to have such a real feel for the artists, for what they must experience in order to be what they are. And he's kind. He obviously just loves the art! 🎶

[@mcfcguvnors]

@@-dugair Thats called google adsense & spacing the video gets more ads in . Lets come back when "Fil" is in his 60s see if hes as clean as Van Halen or can freddie mercury a vocal .

[@thedevilizer6669]

Been performing live for the last 20 odd years as a lead singer and I can tell you this man in the video is 100% correct....

[@c.j.colbert6656]

I just came back from a Rod Stewart concert. On one song his voice cracked on the first line and he stopped, apologized, and had the band restart from the beginning. So I guess I know it was live. Great show overall btw.

[@rickhawkins218]

Live Music Is Best

[@DaveDee-we8mv]

Yep, saw Rod last year. Yes, his voice isn’t as strong as it used to be, but still amazing and a great show.

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

This might explain why the Eagles are so hostile about anyone who posts their songs to social networking sites.

[@annmarie3573]

That's just because Henley is a miserly grouch.

[@davidrice3337]

Here in Louisville there was a hard rock festival - limp Biscut or something like that has a singer named Fred - ole Fred got all out of shape over a couple of fans taking video - turns out dude was lip syncing!! Rock Star my ass

[@marciebulsaraorcutt]

@@davidrice3337 🤯

[@bobhowe4476]

@garanceadrosehn9691 That is such a good explanation. I would only add that Rick Beato doing a review, has to hire musicians to play the Eagles’ songs otherwise his channel would get a copyright strike.

[@beeemm2578]

This

[@E-BikingAdventures]

I'm proud to say that when I sing in the shower, it's not pre-recorded, pitch corrected, or autotuned.

[@UncleDansVintageVinyl]

Actually, we've all been talking about that. We think that you should try getting pitch-corrected. Please take this suggestion seriously.

[@gnoghead]

Send Fil those shower recordings(with video, of course). I want to believe you, but I need the proof only Fil can provide.

[@Ineddiblehulk]

Yes but the crowds that come to your showers aren’t paying to hear your singing 🍆

[@ToddSauve]

And neither do we want to pay for a ticket or hear you sing, ha, ha, ha!

[@macmcleod1188]

And I bet you sing clean music too.

[@wakk44]

Well,this has had over 400k views and been up for a month which says a lot knowing how quickly the Eagles resort to litigation.This can only mean that Fil has done his research thoroughly and presented a cast iron case which the Eagles and their legal team can't challenge.Well done Fil.

[@gregghernandez2714]

I would love to see Henley challenge this video in court...he doesn't stand a chance of winning. The facts will win

[@YooTooobJeff]

Or it means if they DO challenge it there might be something to it

[@blindhol]

They will probably sue for recording at the concert.

[@WindTurbineSyndrome]

He probably doesn't have enough views yet to satisfy a lawsuit test of damage.

[@helipilotuh1]

They’ve got a year to sue.

[@blacktiger675]

Glad I went to concerts in the 70's and 80's when you KNEW they were singing and playing LIVE!! No way would I spend a dime to see a concert nowadays. Great video!

[@jurgisvalancauskas4006]

Massive cases of playback started with disco bands in 70s. Top of the pops was 100% playback, so was Soul train

[@cirkuslizard8697]

I hate to say it but most fans are oblivious to it or prefer it to a spoty performance. Lip syncing hasn’t stopped anyone lately. Ashley Simpson wouldn’t have been shamed for lip syncing today.

[@blacktiger675]

@@jurgisvalancauskas4006 That kind of music was not my thing and of course they used those things. I was a faithful American Bandstand viewer every Saturday morning until they started making the musical acts lip sync! Unless you can actually play your instrument and sing~bad or good~I want nothing to do with it.

[@blacktiger675]

@@cirkuslizard8697 Ashley Simpson? Not nor ever my kind of music. And sadly I realize that lip synching hasn't deterred the masses. I'm not one of them! The last concert I paid for was George Thurgood and The Destroyers in 1995, right before my daughter was born. His guitar playing blew me away! Oh, I forgot. My daughter took me to see John Mayer about 10 years ago. He did have the show as the John Mayer Trio~all blues. Other half acoustic and his hits. That show also blew me away, he's got some guitar chops. This is the kind of music I dig. Musicians who have spent years and years practicing their skills.

[@blacktiger675]

@@jurgisvalancauskas4006 I messed up my shows. American Bandstand always had lip synching and as a kid I watched faithfully, not knowing better. About 10yrs old is when I discovered The Midnight Special and Ed Sullivan reruns~which both had musicians performing live, no lip synching although in the early 80's The Midnight Special did change to, very sadly. There's always going to be an audience who just doesn't care but I absolutely do, more so now as a seasoned adult.

[@leeanderson7339]

Lip-syncing at concerts is nothing but total contempt for their audience/fans who paid PREMIUM prices for a live performance!

[@bluetroop1]

It's a ripoff. People don't pay money to see an airband.

[@nathalieleroch6658]

I feel that it is artistic fraud.

[@Ron898]

adding in a track to enhance background vocals or other affects is one thing, completely lip syncing is another.

[@denisegore1884]

I looked at the ticket prices for Manchester next month and am shocked.

[@Maxx1066]

The only other sickening thing empty front row seats the privileged bought but couldn't be arsed turning up

[@RoughRanchHands]

I think the real tragedy here is that even the mimed vocal has been pitch corrected. I can see the legal disclaimer on the tickets now “portions of this experience have been previously recorded and what you are actually paying for is a live interview with the band as we listen to records from a time when they were younger and could still hit the notes of the song they wrote. Please enjoy responsibly!”

[@minicosmooh]

Ouch! That's ruff, but so true😔

[@MarcByrne]

So true!! Outrageous!

[@pamspurgers3578]

Beautifully stated and kind of cringe worthy.

[@larry4111]

Well said (unfortunately).

[@orbyfan]

You should copyright that disclaimer.

[@user-dq8cn4du6p]

When seeing a live performance I never expect or want it to sound like a record or tape. If I wanted that I would stay home and listen to the album.

[@therealNSB]

Thank you for exposing this in live performances, and also in your videos about pitch corrected media. We, as consumers of media and live performances, deserve authentic content.

[@beatlebrian4404]

And to think people criticize McCartneys voice but give the man great credit for not miming, or using auto tune

[@josephmango4628]

Right, it's crazy. Most artists don't perform live today. The Beatles wouldn't even allow a single to be put on an album because they thought they were cheating their fans. Nobody would do that today.

[@beatlebrian4404]

@@josephmango4628 I think you may be mistaken, certainly there were no singles from Sergeant peppers, but we had Love me Do, Please Please Me, A Hard Days Night, Help, Eleanor Rigby and others, iam talking about the UK

[@markclark7885]

Agree with your McCartney sentiment, have seen him live a couple of times most recently a few years ago and yes his voice at nearly 80 wasn’t what it was at 30 but it was HIS voice! tickets weren’t cheap but he earned it with his kick ass band and 3+ hour show on a hot summer night.. also I think the other commenter was talking about US single releases

[@robertpowell1834]

Amen!

[@beatlebrian4404]

@@markclark7885 didn't the Beatles release A Hard Days Night, Help, Yesterday, (not a single in the UK) and others which were on LP's (Albums) in the USA?

[@danlowe8684]

I have seen Henley three times in concert and all three times, no matter whom I was with, we always raved at how his vocals sounded so much like his studio versions. Perhaps this is why. He is also one of the most litigious artists of all-time so he will likely try to get this taken down. He would sue an 8-year-old girl playing his music at her lemonade stand if he could squeeze a nickel per cup out of her!!

[@annmarie3573]

So accurate!

[@therealniksongs]

Have no doubt that Don has already called his lawyers...

[@drinkinslim]

@@therealniksongs ...on the 8-year-old girl playing his music at her lemonade stand

[@HardRockMaster7577]

Perhaps Don should be sued in a Class Action Lawsuit. I don't care personally, because I'm not going to any of these shows.

[@clemclemson9259]

we already know all that bro. dont support them . simple

[@JimmyHaigh]

Very interesting! And - yes - it took a very good ear to catch this. Well done Patrick!

[@sally7210]

Love your channel! You are amazingly bright and talented in what you do! Thank you!

[@WhiteBubblySoup]

The Eagles lawyers shutting this video down in 3,2,1....

[@exitthelemming145]

Just wish Eagles fans who went to these shows would take out a class action and sue that little money grabbing runt Don Henley for all he's got (and that's plenty....) That said, the opposite has been true for decades i.e. many bands, especially EDM, sing live vocals against prerecorded backing tracks.

[@zipperpillow]

@@exitthelemming145 It's sad, really, and ironic. Lack of confidence and courage in a genre of music rooted in rebellion and the celebration of individualistic expression. "When Hell freezes over" should have been more honestly titled, "Pension Plan". Going through the motions as ossified cyborgs enslaved as their own "tribute band", shamelessly miming the rust of rock-n-roll. The tour should have been called, "Polly wants a cracker".

[@basking_in_it]

Don Henley is such an arrogant arse and to see that he's most likely miming his vocals is hysterical. Just wow. I love that he's been put in his place.

[@nicholassmith479]

@@basking_in_it He’s over 70, right? Exactly how do we expect his vocal range could be at this point?

[@DavidEidelberg]

@@nicholassmith479 if you can’t sing live, don’t charge high dollar for tickets and just stay home. Stop fleecing fans.

[@stevezed00]

Funny you should be pointing this out. I saw the Eagles in February, and in his introduction, Henley mentioned that several band members including himself had colds and were taking some over-the-counter medication. You could hear that he was somewhat congested and his voice was a bit rough. Yet, on the numbers he sang, like Boys of Summer and Desperado, he seemed to hit the higher notes with ease and I marveled at that... now I know how.

[@jeffsmith1819]

I wish these musicians would just be honest with themselves, and drop the keys to their sons and lower the tuning on the guitars, because people would still love them

[@NowhereMan7]

@@jeffsmith1819You dont need to change a guitar tuning to play in a lower key but I agree with your point. Heaps of live songs are already played in different keys already though. It can be hard to tell without a reference if a song is only a semitone or tone down. More than that then it might be obvious.

[@piano4014]

@@NowhereMan7 Good point Jeff

[@epicmeade]

You don’t need to de tune the guitars. but I think a lot of musicians (especially if they wrote the song and have been playing it nightly for years) do just so they don’t have to battle with their own muscle memory. I just started tuning some of my guitars down a full step because I had noticed that Jackson Browne was doing that on a lot of his songs lately.

[@muziktrkr]

You definitely can tell with “Boys of Summer” as far as Henley’s singing “live” goes. “Desperado” is end of show, but half the audience isn’t even noticing as they’re trying to get to their cars and beat the congestion. I wonder if the local orchestras that took part in the Hotel Cali tour noticed if he was singing live or not.

[@adrianpollard2763]

Hi, Fil. Excellent video. I've suspected for along time that Henley was miming on stage on occasions. This absolutely proves it. Anybody that has ever done any home recording knows that it is totally impossible to replicate 2 live vocals of the same lyrics & melody to this degree of accuracy if they are both live. The usual trick is to record one track, duplicate it, then add a delay to one ( or both ) tracks to ensure they play very slightly out of sync to give a stereo widening effect. The evidence you are displaying here clearly shows without a doubt that this was the same audio track on both videos. It doesn't surprise me. After all, it's Don Henley! Well presented, undeniable evidence. Well done.

[@rogerioferrari2386]

Great video, great analysis!

[@maartenkos98]

People should know, especially with the outrageous prices you pay for Eagles tickets.

[@zuzuspetals9281]

The pricing exactly! So many people can’t go to live events because tickets are over $150, then to find out they’re not even singing live? Get out.

[@andrewfuller9156]

I love their music, and don't have to worry about affording a ticket. But this is disgusting.

[@portcullis5622]

The phrase "obtaining money under false pretences" springs to mind.

[@tolja111]

Should Steely Dan do the same? Would be disappointed in Donald Fagen. They are in the same gig together, coming to The Netherland for cheapest tickets 160 euro.

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Outrageous prices for half the band. Glen Frey is dead and they fired their best guitarist Don Felder.

[@yellowduck8061]

Fascinating. The fact the Eagles haven't challenged this yet tells me they can't prove Fil's findings false. Wowzers 😮

[@seankm6nfo990]

You mean, The Eagle.😂

[@gregsolomon]

There's Nothing For Them To Challenge, Because What Fil States Is 100% Factually Proven With Pitch Monitoring Software.

[@martymartin2894]

Good point.

[@craigtalbott731]

The Lone (Loan?) Eagle.

[@nigelduckworth4419]

Not sure how it would be challengeable given that it's a opinion with which people can differ.

[@Coconutscott]

It's cool that you were able to do this. Keep it up.

[@PrantoKoX]

Well done, well analyzed, well argumented, well explained. You're right.

[@AndyMakesPlaylists]

It's official: The Eagles are now Milli Vanilli.

[@carokat1111]

Be careful. They’re the type to sue!

[@patrickblaney1675]

In retrospect, it was surprising that Milli Vanilli lasted as long as they did without being exposed. Neither German Rob Pilatus nor French Fab Morvan spoke English very well and, when they did, it was highly accented. Milli Vanilli's songs were performed in relatively unaccented English. While it is possible for vocalists to learn songs purely phonetically, there are limits to how good that can sound for some vocalists. In spite of speaking highly accented English publicly, Milli Vanilli somehow avoided suspicion until they won a Grammy Award as Best New Artist of 1989. An incident during a 1989 live performance on MTV where a problem with a computer hard drive caused the recording they were lip-syncing to to repeatedly play part of a line from their hit "Girl You Know It's True" somehow was glossed over.

[@spuds6423]

Annnnnnnd, The new Britney Spears, Cher and Motley Crue!!!😂😂😂

[@bcoldwell1]

Henley Velenley

[@tomw8419]

Phony Baloney

[@rickss69]

Don Felder once said Henley was a person who would instantly suck the joy out of any room...

[@deaconblue5211]

That was Glen Frey's quote not Felders. Accurate observation just the same

[@larrycourtney8893]

Henley has seemed like a quite unlikable person for a very long time now..

[@danielerickson5175]

I attended the first farm aid event in 1985… after the much rumored Eddie Van Halen, Sammy Hagar event happened for the first time… Mr. Henley came out and started singing “ boys of summer “… effectively sucking all of the fun out of the entire stadium. That’s when everyone started walking out.

[@ponzo1967]

Good old boy Texan

[@carlbaumeister3439]

@@danielerickson5175I don’t understand your point.

[@mikepeterson7175]

I learn so much from this channel. I’ll never listen to modern vocals the same.

[@danielprusaitis8288]

Thank you for this. We as paying fans have a right to know. Keep up the good work.

[@1355Anthony]

48 hrs and still up. You’ve officially made it farther than all of us thought.

[@JimLovesGolf]

No surprise really. People pay to see the Eagles to hear and experience what they expect, not reality. I went to see Gordon Lightfoot a few months before he died, and to his credit, he actually sang the songs with his aged and cracking voice, but it greatly disappointed my wife, who was so attached to his powerful voice of the 70’s. It broke her heart and she left very sad. It’s a tough call for an artist to satisfy their audience’s expectation or to show they have lost the ability to sing. For me it was an opportunity to show my appreciation for what Gordon had given me over a lifetime of creation.

[@AndyMakesPlaylists]

Fil has the Meagles Vaneagles dead to rights. So they can't sue on the merits. Venley Manenley also can't sue over the use of the song because Fil uses a section that's less than two seconds long, which is legally fair use.

[@scottmattern3437]

And Motley Crue

[@crapple009]

@@user-qb1sm3rk9r "Holy Vince Neils, Batman!!"

[@HolidayInGuantanamo]

​@@JimLovesGolfI felt the same way when we saw Simon and Garfunkel a few yrs ago. Hearing Art just sounding so creaky and wavering on Bridge Over Troubled Water, like a wounded bird, was kinda heartbreaking. I wasnt expecting peak glory in his vocals, but in my mind I probably expected too much.

[@flyingfluffyhockey]

If you want to hear how a 70's guy sounds who can hit some notes and misses others while live, watch Daryl Hall, dude just goes for it, hits some , misses some, and just keeps on going.

[@markkonzen2924]

Same with Mark Farner…

[@Scott__C]

Daryl Hall is 77. People complain about David Lee Roth, but if I'm going to see him, I'd rather see him with all the foibles than he just play his record and pretend to sing.

[@chethammer]

Anyone seen John Waite lately? He got better with age. Saw Geoff Tate from Queensryche and he tunes down. He says that he could do one concert using the original tuning and he'd have to take a couple weeks off and besides that he has guys singing backup that can't hit those notes unless they have it tuned down.

[@sharkfintech5893]

​@Scott__C The difference is, Roth was ALWAYS a crappy singer Live; he was just a hype man - drunk and/or stoned half the time at that - only concerned with entertaining the audience while Eddie wailed on guitar. Henley and Hall were both 💯x better in the studio, and were consistently very good live as well.

[@denroy3]

Yea, his Daryl's house stuff is really good.

[@gpg9516]

Your analyses are soooo interesting and educational.

[@WEdHarris]

Excellent presentation and analysis. Confirms beyond a reasonable doubt! Thank you for this!

[@garyfranco7827]

Brings a whole new meaning to "The End of the Innocence"

[@richardchoi168]

😂Yep. It’s real “Dirty Laundry”.

[@rediusneckius1]

😂

[@martymartin2894]

That was about the 15 year old girl 😂😂😂😂

[@garylefevers]

martymartin2894, sad but true.

[@cavecookie1]

I can't help but remember how Randy Meisner left the band. He didn't think he could sing those really high notes on "Take It To The Limit" during a tour, and got into a "last straw" type of fight and quit the band. And, now Henley is lip-syncing to save his ego. Times have changed; live shows used to be live!

[@KaraLey98]

I loved that song and Randy singing it. I would have been ok with him retiring those wordless high notes which he varied-the ones at the end-if he could have stayed in the band.

[@greggpark1630]

I think him not being able to hit the high notes (in the Eagles documentary) was because he was up all night doing blow and drinking booze.

[@Nieman100]

Says who? The guys who are selling tickets to pre-recorded songs? You still believe anything Henley says? @@greggpark1630

[@danc3693]

At his advance age, Henley's voice may be unable to do it night after night. Randy -- and the the other Eagles -- partied hard -- not good for the voice.

[@albanana683]

Live shows should be live, and so should the recording. I bought Donald Fagan's live version of The Nightfly. Shouldn't have bothered, it is very obviously overdubbed with perfect studio vocals.

[@user-os7om7ef9k]

Brilliant job Phil. You have an amazing channel and are supreme at what you do. Keep up the great work!

[@nikkic36]

This isn’t an isolated incident in the live industry. Good on you for showing it

[@carljacobsen4481]

Don Henley has presented himself as such an "unpleasant" person throughout his career; This is not surprising. Thanks again Fil!

[@SNAKERADIOS]

Absolutely! Of course he can`t sing like he once could. It happens to the best of us.

[@E-BikingAdventures]

Now Don Henley will have to deal with his dirty laundry.

[@davidpanzer6746]

😂​@@E-BikingAdventures

[@ggghhhbbnjjjbb2330]

I think to get beyond a certain level of success in that business you need to abandon all morality. And the payoff is not worth it by all accounts. None of them enjoy fame after the novelty wears off, and the excessive wealth they could earn in those days probably ruined them as people.

[@candelise]

@@ggghhhbbnjjjbb2330 A somewhat grand generalisation. Therefore, the bigger they are, the worse they are, right?

[@frednerk8366]

it's a disgrace. If he can't sing live anymore, he should pack it in and save his reputation. I would want my money back.

[@HumbleTrader001]

Yeah, or just lower the key if a song is too high in the original key. Stop trying to fool the audience.

[@dawnmccormick5534]

This is exactly what I was going to say. Don Henley and the Eagles should be ashamed of themselves for charging their fans so much money and not really singing. My parents went to a concert a few years ago of an artist who was in his 70s and his singing voice sounded just like it did when he was in his 20s! My parents were obviously suspicious and then they noticed there was no orchestra in the pit but yet you could hear the orchestra playing. My parents were so mad and wanted their money back.

[@heidichristensen7919]

That was my thought too. I’ve been saddened to see that one of my favorite singers (who I won’t name because they are still touring) doesn’t have the pipes he did even 5 years ago. Actually true with a bunch of bands I like. But then again many of them are in their 70s - they aren’t going to be able to hit those notes like they did 40 years ago.

[@ohsweetmystery]

Or be honest and let the ticket buyers know it will be lip synced.

[@judyrichards8365]

They’re basically charging you to listen to them play their album.

[@The_Real_HeatherMarie]

I just found this channel and am fascinated 😮 Brilliant!

[@wingsofpegasus]

Thanks!

[@trojanbitbasher]

Thanks for all you do! I especially appreciate your humility!!

[@wingsofpegasus]

Thank you!

[@ringooneringoone3042]

I love you Phil. Finally someone has put Henley in the witness stand of indefensible. I'm 68 and grew up with and loved the Eagles. However, Henley is the world's biggest musical tyrant. End of story.

[@drwoo6090]

Fil 🙂

[@Tiago_007]

Amen to that.

[@marnaehrech1223]

Oh, I didn't know that. I've always loved his voice, loved the Eagles. Now my 💜 is broken

[@mayaram2411]

What a pity. Because he’s one of the best American songwriters ever.

[@cq9882]

Henley - Ditto

[@momofmanda]

We heard Three Dog Night at the Buddy Holly Theater about two years ago (2022ish). The band was young but the three "dogs" were old, one had just had a hip replacement, their vibrato was a little more wavy, and they definitely sounded older and doing the best they could. And you know what? It was great! All was as it should be. We all knew every word, sang along, and had a great time! I got to hear Paul McCartney at SXSW maybe 6 years ago. He is no spring chicken. He sounded his age. I loved it. I wouldn't have wanted to wonder if he was lip syncing to a version from 30 years ago. And when the fireworks began on Live and Let Die, it couldn't have been any better. There's nothing wrong about growing old.

[@SuziQ.]

I’ve seen a few older bands recently (not as old as the Eagles, but from the early nineties). They sang in lower keys, and had a younger singer join them for the parts that were in the higher registers. This is what I want- transparency. Bring someone else on tour who can hit the high notes, and/or drop your vocals an octave if you have to. If I want to hear the album from 1991, I can play it any time I want to. When I see them live, I expect a live performance, which is always going to sound different from the album.

[@keetonplace]

I've seen older singers continue and be just fine and entertaining. Did they sound the same as 25 years before, no, but it was the real deal. You just have to add a little there and take a little away to make up for it. I hate fake!

[@markclark1803]

I saw McCartney around the same time you did. Can’t remember the song, but he blew the piano intro and stopped saying he wanted to start it over. Then he joked “Hey at least you know we’re playing live!”

[@Siansonea]

I had a similar experience with Heart in 2019. I could tell that Ann and Nancy's voices weren't the same as they were in the 70s and 80s, and they sometimes varied the pitch from the original recordings, and phrasing and the like. But that was part of what made it such an awesome experience.

[@markkenific6587]

@momofmanda. Three Dog Night has only had one original singer for the last 9 years. Danny Hutton is the only one left. Chuck Negron left the band many years ago and Cory Wells died in 2015.

[@davemiller3345]

Keep posting , thank you for doing this one.

[@Boertje247]

A other great analysis, Fil. You are so respectful of the musicians, even the ones who don’t deserve it. I saw the Eagles live in the late 70’s and Henley acted so irate at the audience for shouting out for their monster hit, “Hotel California”. They finally played it as an encore, and the audience went wild. But Henley was such an arse. I grew up listening to live performances in the 50’s up to the 90’s. I even got to hear the wonderful Les Paul explain, in the middle of a concert, how he figured out overdubbing and gave a demo of it. Even though I was a little kid, I figured out this was phenomenal. 80% of old rockers persist in going out on the road loooooooong after their voices have left the building. There are a small group of artists who still sound great without trying to replicate their 20-30 yr old selves. The Stones, Eric Burden, Rod Stewart, Sting-to name a few, still sound great without trying to still sound like their younger selves. Joe Walsh hilariously said at the first Crossroads festival, when introducing his song “Walk Away”, “If I’d know how many times I’d have to sing this song, I’d have written a better song!” Self-effacing, laughs at the rock star hubris, and loves what he does. Total opposite to Henley.

[@s44577]

So, concertgoers have been defrauded by Don Henley. That IS what it IS. Live, means live, not recorded. They need to start putting disclaimers on concert adverts saying portions of this event may have been previously recorded. Brilliant job Fil. You're simply the best---better than all the rest...

[@chuckufarley8245]

We go to concerts to see if the musicians can pull off live what they recorded in the studio - not to see them karaoke to a laptop. There absolutely needs to be disclosure. Then, people have all the info needed to decide whether or not to buy a ticket. This is slap in the face to everyone who puts forth the effort to actually perform live.

[@AlmostReady504]

Then see NEW BANDS. Like these bands were 50 years ago Bands that have been around 50 years it is impossible to still pull off. Concert tickets will need to State "performing live" Not 'live in concert'

[@truthsRsung]

​@@chuckufarley8245...You are claiming you go to Concerts for their Audio Quality? Really? It isn't the titties, the roar of the crowd, the tour t-shirt, and enjoying a night with like minded individuals? If you expect a Live performance to mimic the sterilized "best" recording, you will be doomed to unhappiness. You perspective is askew.

[@NowhereMan7]

@@chuckufarley8245 Do you want to have a stupid online argument? The guy above is keen. Though you did not mention audio quality he believes you go to concerts for this reason and will therefore be doomed to eternal hell or something like that. Youre all messed up according to him.

[@friguy4444]

@@AlmostReady504Unfortunately the chances of that ever happening again in our lifetime is None. Why? Well the industry is not run the same way at all. They used to cultivate their artists in the days of yore. They also took chances on new artists when they weren't already huge on the internet or had their own following that was not scrutinized by other artists first. As in they no longer scout for "Diamonds in the rough" then give them the opportunity to grow and get to that place that they are able to make world shattering music from their hearts. As well the actual playing of their instruments and having actual talent is not part of what makes you valuable anymore. If you can slap together something on the Computer with all samples and use the algorithms to make something that people will click on and pipe into their phones then you're a star. It doesn't make for great artists or real song writers. The biggest and most valued artists we have had in the last 70 years or so have almost all been those that were given the chance to grow and learn how to really work on their craft. Pink Floydd The Bee Gees the Beatles and yes even The Eagles all had ten years of dues paid at least then even most of them didn't make master pieces until they had done three or so albums. Cheap Trick had to go through two album flops before we got Budokan and then Dream Police and then etc. These days they wouldn't have been given a recording contract at all. John Denver wasn't a hit first then made more. He was Nobody then someone gave him a chance because they saw greatness in him before hand. It's pitiful and sad. Once our world threw "The Salt of the World" away as a guiding light the results are evident today. God is vital to great creation even in those that are not religious. The spirit of the Holiness and Greatness that is above mankind is vital to us reaching for something higher than our selves. Take that away and all you get is people trying to grind out superficial junk and the actual "Higher Love" that "Stevie Winwood" sang about isn't valued anymore and all people sing about is some chicks A$$, How to shoot down police, Getting High, How many Lambos you've got and how "I'm gonna get me some". Sick world sick results. All written by "Something new from Apple Two". No more guitar heros, No more incredible Karen Carpenters or Even 'We're not gonna Take it" Anthems.

[@frannyp46]

Send this to Rick Beato. He will love this.

[@tonivergara5725]

😂 Right?

[@keithmiles917]

Great idea. He most certainly would.

[@Mikevdog]

Agreed

[@slimwagz946]

I concur

[@1ColdCanadian]

DO IT.... DO IT NOW!!!

[@trojanbitbasher]

Thank you for humbly sharing your expertise with the world. This is an important analysis.

[@MisterDeets]

Glad it was noticed and pointed out. The fans deserve to know the truth. Imagine spending the insane amount for ticket prices to hear a live Eagles performance and getting this instead...

[@pedromancenithe3rd]

Don Henley gets VERY prickly about copyright of his songs and gets almost everything blocked on KZbin. HOLY SMOKE, I dread to think what he's going to think of your analysis of his performance, or rather lack of performance in this case, on this video. Keep looking over your shoulder Fil. Keep up the good work,

[@dopiaza2006]

The guy's a prick. Tried to get many well respected youtubers banned.

[@barryscott8041]

Henley has always been a narcissist s.o.b.

[@JustinWillhoit]

To be fair. Don himself doesn’t flag stuff. It’s probably an algorithm or legal team

[@AmyAndThePup]

@@JustinWillhoit For sure. I seriously doubt a singer sits there and goes over all these KZbin videos to report copyrighted songs. Still, I'm worried there will be a negative fall-out over this video. :(

[@mobilfone2234]

​@JustinWillhoit And who hired the legal team ?

[@michaelsokolowski7143]

Kudos to Phil Collins for doing a final tour with Genesis for the fans, vocal inaccuracies and all. We felt the love and forgave the intonation problems on re-keyed songs. The vibe was beautiful, and that's what it's about. Some people said that was sad. THIS is what's sad. Denying human aging. The glowing embers of a band are still uniquely beautiful; you don't need to create a fake fire.

[@maryok4099]

They should be able to adapt their performances to their capabilities. I think Frank Sinatra dud that over the decades. Maybe FIL could do some comparisons over the years for the greats.

[@PeterCamberwick]

Damn right. I was at one of those shows. Yes he was very dodgy, but you new it was live and I think most of us were there just to say we were there for the end of the journey if that makes sense. Also, Genesis were upfront about it by releasing the documentary of the rehearsals. They layed it on the line and said this is how it's going to be. I respect that. ... On a related note, everyone's praising Steve Hackett for "doing Genesis properly", or some other similar remark. And yes, he's doing a great job. But speaking of vocals, here's a little experiment. Try taking the studio version of songs from Steve's more recent albums, and matching it up with a live version of the same song. You'll notice a startling similarity. :)

[@rvninnorthcarolina3377]

I also saw the last Genesis tour and my ear is somewhat trained and I spent many years at FOH in the analog days of music and they were genuine, imperfections and all. I was SO GLAD that I got to attend that concert and experience one of the greatest bands. It was great to see Phil's son at the drums as well and making his Dad proud. Awesome show!

[@corinneyaworski-mh9uc]

I agree!! 👍

[@therealniksongs]

I agree that this is way worse than what Phil Collins did. As a fan of Phil's from the first time I ever heard him play and of Genesis from before Phil was even a member, I found it heartbreaking to see Phil in such a state. But I will take you at your word that it was more a fond, if sad, farewell. I just know I didn't want to have to endure it.

[@Jamesdylandean]

No singer sounds exactly in two different voicings, even at the same age. Even the phrasing is never exactly the same. You have made you point very well here. This is one time that your technical detailed approach is quite justified!

[@ClaimOfRightMuso]

I've been gigging since I was 17 years old. I'm 67 now and still gigging - 1 x gig per week, every week, in our residency pub in Glasgow, Scotland. I can tell you, singing (and gtr playing) has become increasingly tricky since about 5 years ago and I only get-by because I faithfully perform my vocal exercises two or three times per week. I can't undertake the voice exercises any more than that because it takes a couple of days for my voice to 'recover' after my Sat afternoon gig. It would probably be impossible for me to perform (sing) more than 2 gigs in a week now, as compared to the 7 nights per week (and a couple of afternoons) when I was in my 30s. No, I don't record and lip-sync my vocal lines but I struggle now at sections that were previously straight-forward. I also no longer have the 'puff' to sing longer sections in one breath, and I avoid those songs where I have to sing 'up in the gods' (high, difficult to reach notes) - almost impossible now and very damaging. Don Henley's 76 now and will be 77 come July '24. Desperado's always been in key of G and the high note in the vocal part - and that Henley has to sing in this song - is a G. Now, if you've seen the very interesting video where Billy Joel interviews Henley, you'll hear BOTH singers concede to altering - dropping - the keys they previously sung songs in (I was encouraged by that lol) All I can say is, if I'm struggling at 67, and Henley's got 10 years on me, then he'd have to be from a different planet to perform those songs like he used to. Lol - the old dog's finding it hard to lay down. Incidentally, saw Eagles twice in the '70s, on successive nights in Glasgow; they were out of this world back then (but not from different planets)..

[@billrimmer5596]

Nice comment!!

[@blackswanstudios6632]

Here is the truth: They have been doing this to some extent since the Long Road Out Of Eden tour back in 2008. The song "Waiting in the Weeds" (played to a click) would have a normal live performance right up to the much more challenging bridge, where Don would then lipsync the entire bridge every single time. The recordings of those shows were hillarious because it would have a completely natural and very flawed (in other words very human) first half but when it came to the highly challenging notes in the bridge all notes would be slap bang on tune - not just kind of in tune or impressively in tune, but 100 % slap bang mathematically in tune, and that bridge would have different EQing on the lead vocal with every word phrased exactly as the album version down to the last little micro syllable in note lengh, prononciation etc. Identical to the recording. I tried to tell people in the biggest Eagles fan forum at the time that this was going on with that bridge, and there was complete denial including strong push back from the 'powerful' moderators in the forum. People with no musical or technical knowledge with no actual argument to adress the substance would all harshly deny plain reality. Regardless of me being a huge Eagles fan, working with vocal tuning and music production every single day and being able to hear this clear as a bell all the other fans would simply deny that the Eagles would EVER do such a thing. The best argument they had was to point to an old episode from the mid 90's where a journalist claimed Don could have been lip syncing some falsetto notes on "One of these nights", he was then invited to watch a show behind Don's drumkit where his speculation was put to shame and he had to correct his article. The thing is, back in the mid 90s the Eagles were indeed fantastic performers and I have no doubt every single one of those shows were 100 % live vocals. The claim the journalist made had nothing to do with anything substantive, it was simply a hunch of his. But the fan community would use this incident as a way to deny that anything like that could possibly ever happen and that Don is just THAT amazing of a live performer that some people assume he lip syncs. I'm glad you put this video out. You might get some pushback and 'the machine' might try to get you to take it down but it's important to get the truth out there if truth matters at all in music. The eagles were absolutely fantastic performers up to about the year 2000 or so, but they haven't fully kept their chops intact (a ton of shows combined with age often do that to you), and since then they've used a lot of pitch correction (starting with The Millinium Concert and increasingly heavy use since then...try to listen to "I Love To Watch A Woman Dance" from Long Road Out Of Eden, basically unlistenable!) and tricks like sing-back for certain songs and sections has been reality for The Eagles in the modern era.

[@akb5531]

What is sing-back?

[@mbignell1]

Interesting. I was a member of one of their fan forums at the time, and do recall someone questioning the live performance of that song. There was a lot of pushback. I wonder if it was the same forum?

[@iagobroxado]

@@akb5531 probably letting the crowd sing the "hard parts" instead of the artist doing them.

[@thefonzkiss]

Well said.

[@HumbleTrader001]

They should just lower the the key of the songs so they can actually sing the whole thing live.

[@janice234]

Joni Mitchell is a great example of someone who ages gracefully. Her 2024 Grammys performance of Both Sides Now was all her, old voice and all.

[@Aikitide]

She is a consummate artist. Attempting to be someone she no longer is would be fraud. That she has come back and can perform at all is a blessing for us all. She loves what she does and her fans expect the unique one time performance that is a live show. Joni is a performing artist and a painter. A live performance should be delivered as if the performer has never performed it before. A sand mandala may be a hybrid of the unique performance and the permanence of a painting. Henley is pathetic. Money has him by the tail and has diminished his life's work. You can't hold on to something if you you don't let it go.

[@lorihoop3831]

Love Joni. Hearing her sing now encouraged me to keep singing even though my voice changed like hers. 2 whole octaves lower from 8 days intubation. Grateful to have it at all after that.

[@bloodmoney88]

the difference: she's a true artist, Henly is a businessman in comparison.

[@Super241946]

Mitchell is an opportunist leftist. Commented in a song about the 'biased' reporting on the "Tuam Babies" story from Ireland. She's typical of the leftist trash who have infiltrated the music industry.

[@JoryKorvid]

Easy to maintain your voice when you never had any talent. Also she can't physically stand up.

[@EleanorPeterson]

It's all about integrity. True fans will gladly pay to see and hear their heroes perform, however old they are and whatever the venue. Whether it's a pub or an arena, it doesn't matter. It's the artiste that counts; it doesn't matter if they're old or frail or forgetful, as long as you're getting a real experience, a chance to be close to them, and maybe even to sing along and 'help' them through the difficult moments. But it has to be REAL, not 'enhanced' in order to justify high ticket prices. That would be offensive. That would be wrong. When Rush [outstanding Canadian rock trio] were close to retiring after 40 years of touring, vocalist Geddy Lee could no longer hit the thrilling high notes in songs that the audience knew perhaps as well as he did. But he didn't hide the fact. He made a huge effort to perform the songs as the fans knew and loved them, but nobody was in any doubt that his voice's glory days had passed. BUT IT DIDN'T MATTER. So what if the key had been shifted down a notch. So what if things dropped an octave here and there. The fans sang WITH their heroes, and the experience was all the more precious for the sense of trust and closeness engendered. What mattered was that Rush was there, on stage, playing live, and taking the fans along for the same ride they'd enjoyed for four decades. Everybody knew that Geddy was frustrated, but it became just another chapter in the story. And as a result, the band became even more admired - for not hiding behind special effects and audio 'fakery'. So Rush's devotees were privileged to be included in the band's last performances, even though the decline was hard to face. Yes, sometimes, the truth hurts. But an ounce of honesty is worth more than a pound of deception. Getting older is a part of life. The secret is to embrace the ageing process with dignity. Rush fans still had all of the band's studio and live recordings to listen back to if they wanted to hear the original versions; the latter day live performances were made special by the band's forthright honesty. Unlike... um, allegedly, unlike the , ah, The Yiggules. Allegedly.

[@CFCMahomet]

Maybe instead of shutting down KZbinrs, Don Henley needs to address this.

[@user-xf3eh6ej6m]

Why am I not surprised? When it comes to Don Henley it has always been about the money, and nothing else. He is always suing someone for even attempting to play or use a few seconds of an Eagles performance. Look how he treated Don Felder. So to see him do something like this is no surprise. He wants to milk every last cent he can out of people who want to see the Eagles perform. When you listen to them now, they sound like an average Eagles Tribute band. They should have called it a wrap after the Hell Freezes Over tour, but instead they kept going, getting rid of Felder for wanting equal pay for doing the same amount of work as the rest and keeping the money machine going for Henley. It just proves that for Henley it's not about the music, it's about the money. Good job Phil

[@j.6756]

Fraud... FRAUD... !!!... on all ticket buyers...

[@jeremychambers8736]

And you know what, Felder is doing pretty good for himself. I just wish Timothy, Joe, Steuart, and Vince would bail and form their own band

[@pedromancenithe3rd]

Yeah, I take your point BUT he could make more money by people purchasing his music after hearing it PROMOTED on KZbin. He just doesn't get it.!!

[@nopnj]

Joe Walsh has been carrying them even when Frey was alive.

[@user-tc3yg4ls3i]

@@jeremychambers8736$$$$ main reason they won’t.

[@Cotronixco]

I'm not surprised. Kudos not only to Fil, but also to the sharp fan who brought this to your attention.

[@Boertje247]

Great analysis Fil! I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s with real time singing. I also got to hear Les Paul explain, in the middle of a show, how he could overdub, and layer vocal tracks, which even to a non tech person (me)l I knew this was revolutionary. But still, even into the early 90’s, ‘live’ performances were ‘live’. I rarely go to old rockers’ shows, because their voices are often shot, and they rely too heavily on lip syncing. There are notable exceptions like the Stones, Eric Burden, Rod Stewart, who’ve let their voices age and take that into account, and still bring it to their live performances.

[@SteveStevieboy]

Seeing how this video is still on KZbin one month on ,I reckon the Eagles know you’re right!

[@jonos138]

Ooh your playing with fire now Fil. Don cannot bare anyone playing eagles related material without his say so. Anyone who posts a cover on youtube gets taken down, some even lose their channel. He is so over protective its crazy. He employes staff to literally watch for Eagles material on youtube. Even Rick Beato wont feature the Eagles music on his channel because he knows he will get a take down strike, and he's a producer whose been in the business for years. Hope this video stays up. 🤞✌️

[@lauraallen55]

Fil has a cover of Hotel California on his channel and got permission from Don for it. It's still up.

[@jonos138]

@lauraallen55 That's great. Obviously if he got permission there is no problem. I just didn't want to see his channel get a strike.

[@lauraallen55]

@@jonos138 I hope he won't either, and you never know with Don H.!

[@pointgiven7857]

@@lauraallen55he got permission and now he’s trashing him. Wow.

[@wingsofpegasus]

This is just an analysis video stating objective facts about what we're listening to, there's no trash talk or anything of the sort. I don't know Don, I haven't spoken to him, all I know is that my cover is allowed on KZbin, with him taking the ad revenue of course. It was more likely a 'team' thing rather than Don looking at covers individually during his busy schedule!

[@user-ul7ll6ud4n]

In the United States, ten years ago, New York tried to pass a law requiring such shows be labeled as music performances and not concerts so people would know what they were getting. Ticketmaster and Live Nation killed the bill.

[@atreb56]

I can't stand Ticketmaster. Despicable corporation.

[@SuziQ.]

@@atreb56, There’s a petition going around to break the Ticketmaster/Live Nation monopoly. It will also end legalized scalping if it passes. I saw it on Instagram, and signed it. You can probably find it in a general search. Venues want to break the monopoly, too. I go to the House of Blues whenever someone good is here, and they support the petition. As of now, they have no way to stop the legalized scalping of tickets.

[@memymine9202]

Tbf Ticketmaster finance the shows. When an artist such as the eagles demands 100% of the possible profit of a show (assuming a 100% sellout) prior to going on stage, a promoter needs access to serious $$$ upfront. And the only companies that have access to that sort of cash are the ticket companies - which is why they get to (within limits) set their own ticketing fee. Bear in mind 100% of the ticket’s face value is paid to the artist/promoter and you can see they will want to make a margin to cover their own finance opportunities, & cancellation cost risk.

[@memymine9202]

Ps sorry that was a reply to @56atreb. I should say, The general conduct of some of the key players here, including Irving azoff and Phil anschutz, would fill miserable volumes…

[@donaldcook3112]

@@memymine9202. . . It’s that ‘gift to the world’ from the ‘U.S.’ - in every way possible: ‘GREED’ - “… the whole GREED, and nothing but the GREED”. You all now how it goes. Let’s not forget that ALL involved with this ‘group’ at the, er, the ‘top-level’ are worth hundreds of millions each - or more. Much more. But still they want more … for not doing the ‘job’ properly. A cheat, is a cheat, is a cheat. No ‘middle ground’ exists - no matter what the ‘ s m a l l p r I n t ‘ may show.

[@toddgack2942]

Thanks. A very good analysis!

[@user-lw2sh4ss7o]

I’m glad I saw them while Glenn Fry was still alive

[@mildredfippen5396]

Me too. To bad about Glenn.

[@NeilLeSheepyEpstein]

I was just humming Desperado. Expecting litigation any moment now.

[@johngordonmeade361]

Turn yourself in and they might go easy on you. Otherwise you face significant seizure of assets.

[@cisium1184]

Elaine, could you just not talk for one minute?

[@JoeAugustAcoustic]

I have one copyright strike on my channel in ten years. Guess the song lol

[@alcambrola2834]

I sing it at Karaoke. Maybe I'll get served papers.

[@seanswinton6242]

😂😂😂

[@abdeton1899]

DAMN, talk about Dirty Laundry!

[@E4RLIES]

Ha! Good call 👌🏼🤣🤣

[@YouTube_hates_truth]

I see what you did there 😂😂😂

[@Tjw-qf2of]

Nice work!

[@kathleennelson6692]

Fil, you are brilliant. So interesting and thank you for dragging out the truth. People are tired of being conned. Call them out! Watching from Utah, USA

[@winstonsmith8240]

Wow! He's got such an amazing voice he can repeat it 100% , to the millisecond, every single time. Incredible.

[@scottfromsouthcarolina3185]

Another thing that annoys me is when singers half sing/almost talk through their best song then hold out the microphone for the audience to sing the chorus.

[@SuziQ.]

That’s still better than lip syncing to a pitch corrected track.

[@EvonZundel]

I agree - holding the microphone out is not singing the song.

[@bh8365]

@scotfrom..... Good point. I've seem that done to excess many times while watching videos.

[@HumbleTrader001]

Yeah, Living on a Prayer comes to mind. :)

[@TheBTG88]

That’s U2 now.

[@churchofpos2279]

Saw an Eagles cover band perform several months ago. They played live with no prerecorded vocals or instruments. It was an excellent show. Glad I didn't waste my money on the "real" Eagles.

[@murrayshekelberg9754]

Absolutely the same. I do a lot of music restoration and/or remastering and any small differences would be explained away by the change of venue, ambient noise, and even the recording equipment and speakers. No doubt it is an identical recording playing. First time seeing your channel, interesting video.

[@perry801]

As a producer and recording/mixing engineer, I can easily hear (without visual reference to the duplicate waveforms) that the "two" vocals are actually one and the same. As was obvious from your own vocal demonstration, it's impossible to perfectly duplicate a vocal, there are always difference in timing and pitch. Since you have more than adequately proven that the two vocals were taken from different performances, we can safely assume that Don was lip-syncing.

[@elizabethmiller7291]

May I ask a question of you as a producer and recording/mixing engineer? My favourite band of all time may soon be re-releasing their phenomenal debut album - the first debut album by a Canadian artist to achieve platinum status in Canada in less than a year from its August 1977 date of release - and I am petrified that my favourite vocalist who is no longer with us will have his brilliant vocals pitch corrected. Should I be concerned about this? Is this something that is inevitable? Is there hope that his natural voice will not be manipulated? Because if they mess with his natural voice, that would be akin to sacrilege and I will refuse to purchase it. Only problem is, the record label won't be disclosing if pitch correction was used so how will I know unless I purchase it and listen with my own two ears?

[@perry801]

@@elizabethmiller7291 If the album is being re-released as-is, perhaps with new packaging, possibly re-mastered (not re-mixed) then you have nothing to worry about. Pitch correction is done at the editing/mixing stage of production, and unless the record company is planning to re-mix the album-which would be fairly costly and therefore unlikely-the vocals would remain untouched. That said, pitch correction can be done tastefully and sparingly if good judgement is used, and in such a way that it's not even noticeable. The only way you might be able to be sure is to compare the vocal performance on the re-release to the vocals on the original. If the album, or any of the tracks from it, is released on Spotify, you may be able to make a comparison before purchasing the new album. I'm aware that Spotify stream mainly MP3s, but you should still be able to hear any obvious pitch correction.

[@perry801]

@@elizabethmiller7291 If the album is being re-released as-is, and is not being remixed, then you have nothing to worry about.. Pitch correction is done during the editing and mixing stage, when individual tracks can be worked on. The record company may decide to remaster the album, but this is done to the final mixes and does not affect individual tracks, so pitch correction cannot be applied to the vocal at this stage. If you have the original album, you might be able to make a comparison to the re-release if any of the tracks are available on Spotify. Even if you're listening to Spotify's MP3 files, you should still be able to tell if there is a difference in the vocal by comparing it to the original, then you can decide whether or not to buy the re-release. Hope this was helpful to you.

[@notanobodywithabody]

If the record is being "re-mixed" I'd say there will most certainly be pitch correction used. If it's being "re-mastered" then no, it will most likely not be used.

[@elizabethmiller7291]

@@notanobodywithabody Then I hope it won't be re-mixed! Thanks for your reply.

[@jackdawes120]

What a great piece of forensic exposure of phoniness.

[@surbana9803]

This actually makes me feel better that I didn't go see them the last couple of times they were in my city. I've seen them many times over the past 25 years & they've been amazing, but something in my gut said they'd have to do something like this due to having lost at least two key members. Thanks for sharing this, Fil.

[@Paul-by2nz]

Brilliant work

[@RhiannonFan]

It's been 9 days since upload. Fil's analysis video is still live; and hopefully so is Fil!!

[@richardfinlayson1524]

Yeah especially after the Boeing whistle blower, lol,😢

[@tooleyoclock]

Fil, you’ve done a great service. Guerilla Journalism at its finest. We’ve got your back, brother. The truth shall set you free!

[@briansowell6582]

Been a month now.

[@FR-kb1fc]

This should be a huge story. It is fantastic journalism and analysis and shows tremendous integrity. I didn't see it in the comments but the major historical example of this was Milli Vanilli.

[@roberthaigh3206]

Yes, but what made the Milli Vanilli scandal even worse was the fact that they were miming to SOMEONE ELSE'S voices! Shame on the Eagles though (or Don Hanley, at least) for secretly miming in what was supposed to be a live performance!

[@matchpoint14]

FR, other bands are doing it as well, Motley Crue has been exposed by their ex member Mick Mars

[@conniec7650]

@@roberthaigh3206. Never saw them present who was actually doing the singing for Milli Vanilli though. When Rob Pilatus did a short interview stating that he sang, he cut loose with a song and it sounded like the voice in their recordings.

[@andycummings-music]

It happens regularly on Saturday Night Live. It's an outrage.

[@ldarm]

Nice work dude 💪🏻

[@dwightholland5067]

Good work. Interesting points. Wonder what folks will think about this?

[@coriandre7]

Saw the Eagles live March 13th 2024. My biggest surprise was that Don Henley who in my mind is the main singer only sang 4 songs. Now, I know why. Even Joe Walsh sang 4 songs. You know Walsh’s performances are genuine as he puts a lot of add lib to them.

[@spuds6423]

Joe is a pro, and most of all, He is Joe!!!😂😂😂 I would rather see him with his band in a club or a theater.

[@XENONEZZ2]

I agree regards Joe....actually when I've seen the Eagles recently it's Joe's performances that stay with me.....as you say there's a lot of add libbing and improvisation.... so ok Henley might need some help these days but there's more to an Eagles concert than just him...much more.

[@spuds6423]

@@XENONEZZ2 Don't let Henley hear you say that!!!🤔🤣🤣🤣

[@tray77777]

I only pay to see the Eagles live in order to see Joe.

[@sallyatticum]

I am glad I saw them for $12 in 1977 at the height of their careers.

[@jazzpunk]

Same here...Norfolk Scope, Jimmy Buffet (then-unknown) opened. HOTEL CALIFORNIA Tour, IIRC.

[@sallyatticum]

@@jazzpunk Yes! I saw tem in Miami Stadium. Andrew Gold opened, then Jimmy Buffet.

[@timtam79]

I paid $13.50 to see them in 1978. It was Tim Schmidt's first tour. They were magical back then.

[@joineralbert2493]

£29 murrayfield Edinburgh 1997. 😊 Those were the day👍

[@RoyARobson]

Ditto....Here in Canada (Winnipeg) It was opened with Jesse Winchester and the Steve Miller Band.

[@freespiritwithnature4384]

Wow,this makes so much sense!

[@lolocaust4967]

Never seen your channel before, but it's really interesting the way you broke this all down and explained it. Earned yourself a sub. Now I'm gonna binge your content.

[@wingsofpegasus]

Thanks!

[@lolocaust4967]

@@wingsofpegasus you're welcome. Can always tell when a person is really interested in what they talk about. The passion comes through and it makes it that much more entertaining.

[@marciebulsaraorcutt]

This is sad. During Queen & Freddie Mercury’s tours (in the 80s especially)… Freddie knew he wasn’t able to replicate the higher notes he sang in-studio, in a live setting due to recurring nodules on his vocal cords. So, they just altered the song arrangements, and they had drummer Roger Taylor sing the higher parts when they performed live. I’d rather hear something real, even if it’s different than the original record.

[@PhilWare1]

Genesis/Phil Collins have been transposing certain songs/vocal sections to different keys from at least the mid 2000's. Makes perfect sense to adjust songs as your voice gets older.

[@barryscott8041]

Specifically, Roger would sing back-up and yes, belt it out in that higher pitch Roger had. We saw that explained in this man's recent video about Live Aid 1985. As great as that performance was, there's 2 spots where Freddie's voice breaks

[@hazelleblanc8969]

Elton John did the same. While I miss those amazing high notes he used to be able to sing, I understood and still loved his performances.

[@deborahdoesscrap]

I think a lot of people assumed that Freddie was singing the high notes because of his celebrated vocal range but Roger frequently hit the high notes, even when Freddie's voice was strong and definitely during Live Aid. Freddie had vocal nodules plus they were fresh off a tour that had really shredded Freddie's vocals. Roger has an amazing voice and the willingness to support the band by doing whatever was necessary to make the music great for all of the fans. There weren't a lot of drummers who sang as well as Roger did and he and the other band mates were conscious of supporting Freddie whenever there was a need. I just saw them in Denver this past November and it is sad to see the tole playing drums has had on Rogers hands. He has very painful arthritis and they did have a back up drummer, Tyler Warren, to help him out but he still played wonderfully and seeing Brian still being able to sort of run down the track while playing was a joy to behold. They added a section where a drum kit is out at the end of the track and I was sitting right there. I could tell that he was still playing really well and especially for someone his age. I think Tyler sat that song out.

[@pamherman6363]

Happy to read these kudos for Roger Taylor. Queen was and is a band in the best sense of the word. Roger can’t hit those high notes now, but he sings in a register that suits his older voice. I don’t mind if older singers have to make changes. Their music is honest and good.

[@tonybranton]

Share this EVERYWHERE! Don Henley deserves nothing less!

[@MichaelJamesWood]

Done!

[@fredthompson1279]

Agreed ,he's one of the biggest D bags in the music industry.

[@clemclemson9259]

dont support them. he hurt you ?

[@tonybranton]

@@clemclemson9259 I know what a spoiled brat he was growing up and how arrogant he is. Got my reasons

[@Chip118]

​​​@@tonybranton he also produced some of the greatest American music of all time surpassing Michael Jackson in music that came out BEFORE Hotel California.. So there's that 🤡☠️ Dont really care about his personality at all 😂

[@murraymaunder8754]

Well presented Fil and I believe you have been very fair in your treatment. It's terribly disappointing though maybe if we consider Henley in terms of ethics....... One of the most reviled people in music.

[@avodiablackheart6131]

Wow Fil... this is outrageous!!! I saw the Eagles in '72 thier vocals were Epic... Very messed up whats going on these days. Id want to know if it was not live. Thanx Fil...

[@ajconstantine3593]

Fil is not only a family treasure here, he’s an _international treasure!_ So glad we have ‘im! 🤩🤘

[@jeffreyhender5272]

Is this the same Don Henley who scolded Randy Meisner for no longer being able to hit the high note in “Take it to the Limit” as “not being up to Eagles standards” in the documentary?

[@tangogrrl]

Trying to remember the legend... Wasn't it the other Eagle that decked him? I vaguely remember the story... Randy refused to sing it as the finale at one concert, because he had the flu, and knew he couldn't hit it, and some Eagle (Fry?) insisted he do it anyway, but he didn't want to disappoint the fans, so he refused, and it came to blows. I loved Randy's voice the best.

[@donaldsalkovick396]

​@@tangogrrl glen Frey decked Don Felder over politics and butt kissing

[@2v_5r84]

He said Don Felder’s vocals on Victim of Love werent up to band standards so they didn’t end up on the final recording (Henley’s did)

[@SuziQ.]

@@tangogrrl, Close. Randy was sick, and didn’t want to sing it. Frey called him a pu$$y. Randy hit Frey, and quit the band. That was after 11 months of touring, at the end of a concert (second encore) in June 1977. He was my favourite Eagle, too.

[@beeonthyme5760]

Isn't that karma? His Karma ran over his dogma.

[@susanfrank1589]

Hey Fil, I was trained as a classical pianist. Been an amateur singer and player all my life. Variations in singer’s pitch has always fascinated me, so your theme is something I have always wanted to see. In fact, I have trouble listening to singers who are too far off pitch. Thank you for your excellent analysis of voices and guitar technique. I thought I knew a great deal about voices but since watching you, I listen to everyone differently. I didn’t know audio tune and pitch correction existed but it explains many things I have noticed but couldn’t identify. I especially liked your analysis of Patsy Cline’s voice and why it was special. Also liked your show with the slow Clapton Layla. I don’t have a sample but if you can find one, I’d like you to analyze a young Shirley Jones around the time of The Music Man. Curious to see if my take on her pitch is correct.

[@cnd6328]

1st time viewer. Brilliant mate. THANKS