This is Why I Hate Online Leftists ft. TheSerfs

[@wholelottajuice5303]

I’m black so technically I’m white.

[@velvetCoker]

dont care didnt ask plus youre engaging in digital whiteface

[@pndwavy]

True

[@courtneyvaldez7903]

BIG if true.

[@toomuchlove1524]

Biden took your blackness away

[@09BiGDylan]

I fuckin knew it!

[@msirikh]

I didn't wanna be white anymore so I painted my face black. Now I'm truly progressive.

[@EF-wy3di]

Now you are qualified to run Canada

[@ggmm2480]

Not if you're an undecided American voter

[@bluehurricane9974]

that’s a automatic canceling. Jk

[@someguy535]

Hahahahah good one

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Seems legit

[@klip8726]

Why am I watching Destiny, he's white

[@courtney9180]

afrolefty CALEB!!!!!

[@0498kizerb]

Destiny is white? 😱

[@Expert-zv8kt]

Half cuban.

[@whitegirlsaremykryptonite5779]

Destiny is actually closer to black then he is white.

[@hughmungous3357]

it's ok to be white if you don't speak for oppressed minorities.

[@maybeimleo]

Do care, did ask, plus you’re important to me

[@ataridc]

What if I tell you I'm white?

[@BeefRank]

atariDC_ well shit. That changes things

[@puppetperception7861]

atariDC_ I don’t care about you. It’s the color I like

[@esogh0sted451]

HEY, hEy, hey, now.... You othrfkr , I appreciate that, and needed to hear it. Fkn lib. Thank you. 😠

[@aiden7523]

Who asked?

[@smeminem1258]

>be me >be white AAAAGGGGHHHH NOOOO MAKE IT STOP

[@alexanderiskandar8379]

Relatable.

[@ziinx5899]

God damn it feels so good being white. Feel sorry for all the losers here. kek

[@mayman4255]

@@ziinx5899 Don't care plus you're white

[@virtualodyssey4787]

@@ziinx5899 Imagine being white, holy shit. CRINGE.

[@ziinx5899]

@@virtualodyssey4787 How does it feel to know that your ancestors never knew how to make the wheel? LOL

[@fiveyearflan]

I AM MAD EVERY DAY THAT I AM WHITE

[@officialasa]

Honestly, same. Worse cuz I’m a white rapper :(

[@The_passiveObserver]

Don't care didn't ask plus your white

[@ataridc]

Same bro same

[@erikchingon3566]

Don't be

[@whitegirlsaremykryptonite5779]

Brenna Booth AMAZIN’!

[@TheSerfsTV]

Wow your team works fast. I haven't even uploaded this yet. Goddamn omniliberal economics.

[@johnathanreyes118]

Join us mr serfs so that you too can partake in omniberal economics

[@kameyoriko8644]

This was a great conversation between you two, but that Shives interview afterwards was so scuffed.

[@xoxonaotchan_7902]

@@ChiefBinChicken I used to kinda have a distaste for lance but now I realize hes one of the good faith ones even if some of his earlier content irked me. Good peoplz

[@HannesRadke]

@@xoxonaotchan_7902 He is a bit too cautious with his statements (but who isn't compared to Destiny?). He is one to let the other talk first and make his points, because he is interested in what they have to say. As a result he sometimes seems a bit too smooth and evasive (what Destiny called spineless back then). But I feel like he is a great guy otherwise.

[@armaan1091]

Okay white dude.

[@tgfs238]

Don't comment if you're white.

[@d-extra5814]

I'm half white does that count

[@tgfs238]

@@d-extra5814 leave half a comment then😉

[@roymarshall_]

if you're white

[@nayzaw7490]

yellow gang

[@frorencenightingale1217]

I'm crippled; that's kinda like not being white. May I?

[@rambo3rd471]

Why is it whenever lefties have a 1 on 1 with Destiny, they seem really reasonable, but then you put them in a group with other lefties, and their consistency flies out the window?

[@ultimadum7785]

well I think that in these Destiny debates they seem way more reasonable because most of the interactions you get with them are online and in short twitter threads. Most of them don't have the opportunity to fully convey their arguments in a video segment, just a short post of them saying ACAB on twitter.

[@jascu4251]

@Benita Shabibo I think both Destiny AND the lefties he debates fall into the same trap, which is thinking being right, or winning is what matters. And losing sight of the idea of persuasion. Being right isn't enough, we must have seen this by now a million times. I think Pakman's approach to Destiny is by far the best

[@thevocatiousunspeakables709]

Its all about group dynamics. We feel more comfortable being honest when we are in a group which agrees with us. Its really that simple

[@IlluviumGaming]

Destiny, your take on polygraphs is really bad. It's literally pseudoscience, it's used in clearances to test if people can get information out of you. The number of people who fail the first few times because they're nervous, and they just keep testing you, is huge. It's not an insider threat detection sort of thing, they wouldn't let you keep trying until you passed if it was. And in court, comparing a polygraph to DNA is actually laughable. For DNA, the reason it's strong as circumstantial evidence is that it's possible to combine it with other pieces of circumstantial evidence to form a stronger case, whereas a polygraph is basically worthless. The reason? It's not scientific.

[@tressietes04]

Ok

[@maxcosta806]

The point of a polygraph and what I assume Destiny's point is, is not that a polygraph is neccecarily an effective means of data collection. Rather it can be used in a case against somebody to further a narritive or give another level of credence to a claim. So it functions the same as DNA analysis in this way, although by no means as effectively. Most educated people know that polygraphs arent all that effective but that isn't their purpose.

[@bigboy2217]

Massi Costa okay but you shouldn’t be allowed to if the entire point of it is to falsely further a narrative with an inherently unscientific process masquerading as evidence.

[@gayku7643]

This is why I fking hate the portrayal of polygraphs in cinema

[@maxcosta806]

@@bigboy2217 That's fair, I'm not trying to say that they should be used. In fact I wholly agree with you. Just trying to iron out their purpose. It's just another means of trying to get a confession, the results of the test don't really matter, what matters to the police or whoever may use one is screening witnesses and suspects, allowing for additional evidence to help "strengthen" a case.

[@mario167100]

I think destiny needs to realize that he’s 50 percent white. Thus, we didn’t ask or didn’t care.

[@leanmantern2862]

not surprising for a white guy to be ok with white people taking land from non-whites.

[@solnstinct7076]

Woah, lets not act hastily now. He is indeed 50% white so that would mean we should only ask and care for about half of what he says.

[@mario167100]

SoL Nstinct how about we didn’t ask, but we do in fact care.

[@leanmantern2862]

@@solnstinct7076 i guarantee destiny puts white on the census form

[@09BiGDylan]

@@leanmantern2862 of course he does! That means his vote is worth 3/5ths more!

[@johnathanreyes118]

Destiny destroyed white people in this debate

[@zzir3miix__147]

Mike from [REDACTED] was white in this debate

[@ggmm2480]

Damn dude you just doxxed [redacted] from [this information requires a top secret security clearance to access]

[@bluehurricane9974]

PA

[@abhimanyu3505]

You fool, you doxxed him,🤬. You should refer to him as [Anonymous] from [Redacted].

[@aleksnull]

Plus... ʸᵒᵘ'ʳᵉ ʷʰᶦᵗᵉ

[@Cashout95]

I don’t wanna be white anymore, any race I can apply to?

[@Ren-nf4pz]

no

[@velvetCoker]

if u convert to Judaism you wont be seen as white by the alt right anymore

[@retcon2536]

Filing in your n-word pass application as we speak.

[@tjcofer7517]

@@retcon2536 but only in private right?

[@alondor8157]

@@velvetCoker What about Irish?

[@unclefa4416]

PepeLaugh Imagine being white

[@xMorbidArtx]

Ez game ez life right

[@thegrandwombat8797]

Michael Brooks has been pretty consistent in saying that he’s voting for Biden because Biden is better than Trump. To be fair, he has also said that he’s not particularly interested in actively pushing people to do the same, but to the extent that he’s influencing his audience on this issue, it’s in a positive direction. Edit: shortly after commenting, I came across a newly uploaded segment by Michael Brooks about the importance of strategically voting to get Trump out of office. While it’s still not his main focus, he is advocating for his audience to vote for harm reduction.

[@alex-qd6of]

It's only positive, if you live in a swing state, or you really believe Biden will be a great president. Otherwise, vote your conscience. I'm in Oregon, so I have the luxury of voting 3rd party.

[@MrAwesomeTheAwesome]

@@alex-qd6of That's exactly how I feel in Washington. Our first-past-the-post system is a disaster, for sure, but the electoral system makes me feel utterly excluded even from that. It literally doesn't matter if I vote practically or idealistically in the next election. Or at all. Very disheartening.

[@MrNoobthenub]

@@alex-qd6of Im really curious what effect people think voting their conscience will have in a winner take all election. Just patting on yourself on the back for having the luxury to not have to make a shitty but quite clearly correct choice?

[@partlycurrent]

@@alex-qd6of you should always vote harm reduction. If you don't, you're actively pushing people less fortunate than you into a shitty situation. Or if you don't believe that Biden will be better than trump. But who really believes that?

[@frankschwarzkopf6693]

Michael Brooks actually isn’t voting for Biden because he lives in a safe blue state, but he would vote for Biden if he lived in a swing state.

[@imreallyimportant]

01:24:36 - In response to Destiny, he is correct. I did not hate Joshua going into the BOB panel. I thought he was a clown candidate based on his Twitter presence and a few short videos of him speaking; but I was ready to have a serious conversation about his policy positions. That went out the window in seconds once Joshua opened his mouth.

[@caleb.horowitz]

Ayy what’s up man

[@tehking111]

Get your ass on the rajj royal. You'd be a great fit.

[@imreallyimportant]

@@tehking111 You think so? I sound like a stoned surfer and I'm quite laid back. I'm working on being more energetic but I stream after working full time so that's tough. I feel like the more time I have to improve, the better performance I will have on a show like Rajj. But I appreciate the kind words.

[@imreallyimportant]

@Chowder Life Can confirm I am white as f

[@imreallyimportant]

@@caleb.horowitz howdy partner

[@JoelDZ]

If Destiny wants people to be charitable to him on twitter, he should behave more charitably on that platform as well. For as much as he tries to act in good faith in his live conversations (usually successfully), he uses his twitter to write uncharitable quote tweets with antagonistic rhetoric and extreme hyperbole. If people are hyperbolic and uncharitable to him on twitter, I think he has kind of brought that on himself. Did I say Destiny? Sorry, I meant Destiny's friend.

[@faust3530]

It'll also help him, like, not get banned within a month of joining the platform each time

[@kayt9627]

Faust Twitter bans are permabans. If you’re banned you’re not allowed to create a new account

[@Duckman1616]

@@kayt9627 Doesn't stop him from making another account though. Until he inevitably gets reported for some shit and gets found out.

[@robertjefferson1526]

He doesn't care about advocating for anything so he'll never change his behavior. He just likes arguing and being right, and saying stupid stuff on Twitter is an easy way to goad people into his stream to shit-on them because most people are bad at rhetoric.

[@Marblez3]

@@robertjefferson1526 Most circlejerk opinion ever. Can you think of a criticism that is valid? Or because you can't rebut anything you just regurgitated really vague criticisms?

[@icebear4181]

I regret every day being white.

[@erikchingon3566]

Please don't, it's a human mentality problem

[@09BiGDylan]

Let's form a group of us white people and we will collect at night around a fire.. but it can't be a regular wood fire. We should burn a certain object to show our strength.. like a cross! A burning cross will show what warmth we bring to the world under a Christian God! And if we get cold, we can wear full body suits and since I know we can't afford those shits we will fashion uniforms of sheets.. white ones specifically because we have to show the world how pure our white movement is.. Yes! Where could this go wrong?

[@xMorbidArtx]

Just become a rapper, youll find a place.

[@09BiGDylan]

@Chowder Life we got a thinker over here! I like the way you think.

[@ziinx5899]

@David Rider The exact opposite of based. Lmao.

[@pndwavy]

The Serfs: Has an opinion Me: Your white and a colonizer and I didn't ask

[@BLHLF]

damn that but unironically

[@hughmungous3357]

I hope there is no sarcasm.

[@SageSea1]

This community is confusing as fuck is this a joke or

[@Realhater1352]

SageAir13 yes

[@JaKeCaKez]

TheSerfs found his spine in this debate.

[@christophzeit6282]

It's basically a quantum state. When you look at Destiny, he's white. When you don't look at him he's black or mixed. It's called Schrödinger's Destiny.

[@DeLaCruz878]

I'M SORRY I'M WHITE!... I'M SORRY I'M MALE!

[@alex-qd6of]

There's something about that self-deprecation, that makes my skin crawl.

[@partlycurrent]

Some age old TAA meme

[@Dawid-wc8sb]

God tier reference

[@JuanTheBone]

Apology, not accepted.

[@xMorbidArtx]

Being sorry is not enough boi.

[@RJG7203]

"Bernie had no chance in the primaries". But he did have a chance, certainly more of a chance than Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar.

[@anzumazaki7798]

@Hhgfhgvv Gfbgfggg destiny was on the buttigieg bandwagon before he dropped out, did you not know?

[@RJG7203]

@@anzumazaki7798 So he supported a candidate who had no chance and he dares to say Bernie had no chance lol

[@ElYurman]

44:17 Vaush is vocally anti Bernie or Bust as well, gotta give him points for that

[@anteaterking6728]

My man

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@green2498 Eh, somewhat disagree. He is fully a Socialist. He just does everything he can to be consistent in making people's lives better with the philosophical goal of Socialism making people's lives better. Edit: And I should mention there is an intense amount of overlap between progressives, liberals, and socialists in terms of social policy and economic policy within the U.S. At this stage we are still trying to get a decent healthcare system, every side comes out stronger for that. But the arguments break down more later down the line in what a more optimal society looks like.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@green2498 I just wrote a paragraph long response before realizing we may not be working off the same definitions or topics here. What do you mean by "social liberal"? And what do you consider to be the foundational goals of a Socialist? For clarification when I read " social liberal" I think of a political compass inspired phrase meaning to be socially libertarian in the express goal of social progress. Legalize gay marriage, eliminate (as much as possible) mysogyny and racism, etc. Am I wrong in that?

[@RisenSlash]

@@green2498 vaush isn't in support of furthering global capital or imperialism What has he said that indicates this

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@green2498 I guess that vaguely applies to Vaush. He is blatantly anti-imperialism though even in exchange for that safety net. He has a harsh focus on wanting to change the mode of production and actively advocates for other countries doing the same. He had a whole segment praising Bolivia and the byproduct of them electing a Socialist hurting Tesla's stock prices. You aren't going to find a Socialist who argues against expanding the Safety Net outside of maybe some concerns it isn't being expanded enough or UBI. UBI because of some inherent apprehension about giving plain money to people in a Capitalist system that I can't argue past some basic concerns.

[@frankschwarzkopf6693]

When did Michael Brooks become part of Bernie or Bust? His stance for 2020 is the same as in 2016: vote for harm reduction if you live in a swing state, but vote third party if you live in a safe state. The only difference is in 2020 he’s said he’s not going to put energy into convincing people to vote for Biden. But he has said over and over that he doesn’t see any credible argument against harm reduction voting. His approach of clearly stating his belief in tactical voting but not browbeating people who disagree is probably more effective at getting people in swing states to vote for Biden than the approach of browbeating people and calling them privileged if they don’t plan to vote for Biden (some Bernie or Bust people are privileged, for sure, but many are working class or poor people who are fed up).

[@Yippiyaya1]

From my lazy reddit browsing I thought Karen was used to describe the "let me speak to the manager" types. Sure this is often associated with middle aged white women, but that's not what's being ridiculed, it's the perma butthurt people who scream and make a massive scene whenever something doesn't go their way. I might be wrong tho

[@allisons6910]

Got here via a reddit link too, but if this account is still active, then let me pose this question: Is there any equivalent for white males? It doesn't have to be about "speak to the manager" behavior. Ooh! I just realized an additional misogynist aspect: Karen = assumed to be a "type", rather than a behavior.

[@helios1087]

Watching Destiny and Lance then and now hits like Somewhere in these eyes I'm on your side

[@OJ_Pimpson]

Destiny was pretty fucking hilarious in this one

[@xMorbidArtx]

Dude was ultra-combo'ing the spawns of Karen.

[@michaelscott993]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph#Effectiveness Why did he die on the polygraph hill? Polygraphs are inaccurate and that's easily googlable.

[@Yoursoulismine814]

"I want to give a shoutout to the whitest person in chat right now" lmao

[@danaliyev]

Fords polygraph was done behind closed doors, were supposed to just trust the word of the person who administered the test and that’s it

[@alex-qd6of]

The best part was when D implied she was more honest, b/c she's in a higher class, than Reade.

[@honest_bishop5905]

@@alex-qd6of wasn't reade just outed as a serial liar?

[@unhomme643]

alex Destiny is bleh, but I am even being more charitable to his point. I don’t think that’s what he was saying, Alex. It’s one step in the entire process to build a case: How much do you have to lose? It’s a small part, but still a part.

[@AndrewSmith-yf9pv]

We have mail in voting here in Utah, been voting by mail for 10 years now works GREAT!

[@alex-qd6of]

We have it in Oregon, too. I've never been asked to sell my vote...or heard of such a thing.

[@partlycurrent]

Every civilized country has that :D

[@kevlon_]

All of Europe is wondering why this even is up for debate in the US.

[@kk8490]

I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time holy shit my sides.

[@highprogressive]

didnt michael brooks have a video segment talking with matt and david about the necessity of voting for biden? i dont remember seeing any BOB shit from him.

[@thegrandwombat8797]

Yes, Destiny was mistaken about Michaels position on this.

[@SaborSalek]

Nope, after Super Tuesday Michael had a mental breakdown and spurred Bernie or Bust positions, liked Trump Tweets etc. It was the worst and I myself distance myself from him. It took several weeks of Sam Seder beating sense into him for him to finally be anti BoB

[@jascu4251]

@@SaborSalek I actually saw that a lot, people who dipped into BernieOrBust positions for a period of somewhere between 1-3 months before seeing sense. More so with people I know than creators per se, but with creators too. At the time I said this was likely and understandable, and that for the majority of people a BernieOrBust position was always going to be a temporary one, and that should be factored in to any critiques of such

[@roboticperson1589]

Michael brooks isnt bernie or bust!!

[@scottster8858]

When Destiny says the pipeline will massively improve the lives of the rest of the country, what does he mean? Is there some promise from the gas company to build up Canada's infrastructure or something? Sincere question.

[@muslimcrusader3085]

It will generate fat stacks of cash to be taxed which then will be used by the Fed to build up infrastructure.

[@integrallens6045]

@1:04:28 just because a group or person isn't systemically oppressed, doesn't mean you can treat them like this. This would then apply to the Asian community too but we all know people can be racist towards Asians. This whole idea of punching up is used to justify some really gross behavior. This new definition of racism doesn't take into account individual physical force. just because a group doesnt believe they have political power doesn't mean they don't have any power at all. Physically going after someone for their race is racist.

[@integrallens6045]

@1:05:01 thank you destiny for making that distinction. I'm really surprised that he wasn't aware of this fact, that this is a new definition being pushed by the left. I love you destiny for holding truth above leftist ideology.

[@whitegirlsaremykryptonite5779]

What’s up with these comments? I love white people. Wtf?! 🤨🤨

[@FerociousPaul]

lmao hey black superman! these white girls can't hold you down like a sista can!

[@fanyfan7466]

Do you luuuv white people?

[@Guscoli]

@@fanyfan7466 amazin

[@PCproffesorx]

The real reason he hates michael brooks is because he got gish galloped by him in a debate. I just wish he would admit that that is the main reason he changed his opinion on michael brooks, michael brooks has been the same guy for quite a while I dont think hes gone off any deep end like destiny describes. I totally agree with destiny about kyle kulinsky though, I used to be a fan of his but now i Just cringe everytime i try and watch.

[@slavajuri]

Weird. I don't even like Destiny's debates much but when he's just kinda talking to someone about stuff like this it works out well. Or maybe TheSerfs are just really cool??

[@Onus6688]

Yeah I loved this too lol

[@naterambles8525]

So long as the other person doesnt push back too hard on his points, Destiny will not attack. With each year his ego grows exponentially as do the aggressive debate tactics.

[@naterambles8525]

And the Serfs are very cool.

[@Scardor]

The Serfs has been blown out by Destiny a few times already, so has become way more mellow.

[@jascu4251]

@@Scardor I think its the best way to handle Destiny. Pakman is the best at this obviously, as someone who is pretty good at seeing the bigger picture and allowing for the foibles of the people he speaks to. Too many people get trapped into going down the DebateBro route

[@GKJusticar55]

Wow Mike was obliterated in this debate of which he wasn't actual a part of.

[@bobDotJS]

"People don't experience things as a class" 💯

[@themccannman]

57:30 @destiny, it sounds like you didn't know this, but what you described is exactly how mail-in ballots currently work in California. I always vote by mail. I just open the ballot, check the boxes, sign it, seal it, and drop it in any random mail box anywhere (my house, grocery store, etc.). It's incredibly easy.

[@deadpanwalking]

Oh my god. I am watching this 6 months later and they could be talking about TODAY.

[@AB-ql5vp]

Its interesting to see how Destiny's views on race politics have begun to adapt, in terms of the individual identity vs group identity. Sure you might be part of an overall more powerful group, but when someone is talking to you individually and acts in a way that uses your unchangeable and not inherently bad features to try and attack you, that doesn't factor in to people: all they say is someone acting in a way that if they did it back they would be thrown in the stocks. From his thoughts in this video, it seems like he is reconsidering his views on groups and adding refinement to it. I hope he talks about it more in the future.

[@oralucifer8410]

Destiny destroys the radical leftists in this debate

[@eliperilpresidente]

Does he?

[@alex-qd6of]

@@eliperilpresidente No.

[@sebrij]

not really tho

[@MichaelP-wo8dh]

@Meat Grinder Mike Everyone laughs at them. You don't have to be rich to know extreme on either side makes you kinda crazy.

[@PlanetaryPluto]

@@MichaelP-wo8dh Enlightened Centrism Activate!

[@AbonZel3]

It's probably because I don't really pay attention to online platforms like Twitter and most comment sections, but in my experience, Karen is specifically used against women who do shitty things like yell at cashiers and stuff. Haven't really seen it used in a broad context for all white women or anything. Destiny is fine with insulting the hell out of Nazis (and kudos for it), so I'm curious, if Karen was limited to insulting people who yelled at cashiers and other shitty behavior like that, would he be ok with it then? Genuinely curious, not a "gotcha" or anything.

[@adonizi]

Middle aged non-white women who are obnoxious customers dont get called Karens.

[@adonizi]

Or are you saying only middle-aged white women are capable of being obnoxious customers?

[@AbonZel3]

@@adonizi Never said that race, gender, etc wasn't part of it, and never said that those people are the only obnoxious customers. In my experience, most of the customers I've dealt with were male. Also in my experience, like I said, Karen is only used against obnoxious customers, not against those demographics in general. However, I understand that my experience is entirely anecdotal, which is why I opened my statement with not knowing how things are on online platforms and such. Not sure why you seem interested in acting like I made some concrete assertion that I knew all the facts or anything. I'm mostly curious about the question I posed, and I don't particularly care one way or another.

[@kriscastille1030]

It is absolutely not a fact that one must get polygraphed in order to get security clearance in the US.

[@scarlet8078]

It's not ALWAYS required, but it's sometimes required. Whether or not you're polygraphed will depend on (1) the level of clearance necessary for the position; & (2) the circumstances of the position & the related investigation. For those of us working in satellite intelligence, we've polygraphed new engineers before. It's common for roles that deal with a level of information that can compromise national security

[@XaqRD]

True, not for lower level clearances and not before receiving a higher level clearance necessarily. For top secret clearance it is necessary to get one done after a certain amount of time.

[@BlissfulEDM]

@@XaqRD No. It's not remotely required unless you work for a specific program that requires one. You can have an "above top secret" (ts/sci) clearance and never take a polygraph your entire career. But I'm not going to be shitty here. MOST programs do require one. Especially if you're working for one of the agencies. Some of those require polys for everyone during their application process and investigation.

[@partlycurrent]

There is no logical argument against mail in voting as a compliment to regular voting. Not one.

[@adonizi]

Easy to fraud. Lets say a household gets 4 mail votes but only one of them cares about voting. Whats stopping that one person from filling all the 4 votes? How could you verify who filled the vote?

[@dnciskkk9037]

@@adonizi The nick knows that, he just wanted to signal to its social media sites. And they want the fraud. The only argument for mailin voting is the possibility of cheating. That is the lefts only hope.

[@partlycurrent]

@@adonizi Complete BS! If you cared about skewing the vote, you'd be fighting for felony voting, against gerrymandering and all the likes. Mail in voting exists in almost all european countries and nowhere it is an issue. The american first past the post voting system is fucked. Even if it was true that a lot of people cheat, it defo wouldn't be the worst part of american voting. If you live toghether as a family, then 90% of the time people will vote the same anyway. EDIT: Was keeps them from voting for all 4 people? Decency? Family respect? The other family members wishes? Do you just take shit from the people you live with? You also shouldn't get your voting letter immediately. First, you get your voting registration in the mail, which you can send back with the wish to get your mail voting papers. If you don't do that, then you need to bring your registration on voting day to the booth to be collected there and to secure that you haven't voted twice.

[@partlycurrent]

​@@dnciskkk9037 I'm amazed everytime right wingers say shit like that! Don't you live in the best country in the world? How come you have such shitty institutions that voting fraud would be a problem? Like, that's an issue only for 3rd world countries. "Make America work for once at least" sounds way closer to your sentiment than MAGA

[@Tocinos]

Rem is white in this debate

[@adentravis]

Does anyone actually know if polygraphs are accurate, just reading a little bit on wikipedia they don't seem to be that great for most things.

[@galleryofrogues]

They are not. I like Destiny but he’s totally off on this.

[@MorePlatesMoreRapes]

Mainly Americans use polygraphs lol - it's like some weird fetish you all have when they very inaccurate.

[@partlycurrent]

Yeah, nobody around the world uses them really :D they're just for the American pseudoscientific justice system

[@Speedojesus]

Honestly the only bad take I've heard from Destiny is that take on polygraphs. The readings and extrapolation of their results in the way its done used by the police and courts is a literal pseudoscience, like an actual pseudoscience as none of it is really based in the scientific method and the results have little to no correlations with reality. They test the conductiveness of your skin and sometimes other factors to basically determine if you're nervous or not, which for 99% of people will be definite when in the environment of being questioned whilst using a polygraph and what they measure doesn't really have anything to do with the process of forming a lie in your brain or the activity created by forming a lie. Anything beyond saying "well they're nervous about answering the questions" is a gross over-extrapolation of the results, and if you're naturally confident, have taken anxyolitic, or use certain techniques like literally just puckering your asshole or going into it with a certain mindset, you can be beat a polygraph. Like, it's essentially tea leaf reading for the police, really just a way to put pressure on a person and compel them to tell the truth under the idea that no matter what the polygraph will tell the police that they've lied. The point "you can use it to establish other stuff" has no bearing on if it's a pseudoscience. Plus, If a person in such a state that they come up as "lying" on the polygraph, the police probably could just look at them and listen to their voice, nervous people generally look and sound nervous. And baseline questions as a concept make literally no sense. If I ask you in an interrogatory context "do you own a dog" or "is your birthday X day Y month and Z year" your answer will most likely come without anxiety as it as a simple, non-accusatory question without much baggage that is unlikely to provoke a retaliatory response or shock in a person. But if I asked something like "did you murder this woman on this night" a person is much more likely to give an answer with more nervousness and hesitation as in the mind of most people "did you do X" isn't just a question, it's a loaded accusation, which is more likely to lead to people to being more anxious and giving somewhat rebutting answers alongside a feeling pressure, which causes stress and nervousness alongside the pressure of doing a polygraph. They are essentially self-fulfilling when used in the context of a criminal case. Methods of establishing a case or body of evidence that are known to fulfill themselves and be very unreliable just shouldn't be used in any legal system when you're talking about establishing a criminal case and possibly imprisoning someone. They really don't seem to be valuable outside of providing the police a way to creat a more directed interrogation strategy as to uncover what are lies and what are not. Using the results in courts just sounds like an easy way to prejudice a jury.

[@ultraviolenc3]

Can you honestly answer how deeply you know about this topic? Like are you scientist of that particular manner or something? Because i was told polygraphs are quite accurate if the person who asks questions knows their shit.

[@TheRealZeke2003]

@@ultraviolenc3 More deeply than whoever told you they're "quite accurate". The psudoscience behind Polygraphs rests on the assumption that honesty can be determined through physiology, a claim as scientific as your astrology sign determines your personality. It rests on dumb intuition that if you honestly thought about with even the most minimal of knowledge would seem far fetched at the very least.

[@cy20998]

the natives in Canada are not sovereign. Can a single internet personality get this right? The crown owns all land and resource in Canada, period.

[@RealmRabbit]

America should really have a holiday during voting time... It's what Canada does and it seems like a pretty good idea to get more people voting (although tbf it'd probably be to the detriment of the rightwing since the sort of person who can't vote due to being too poor to take the day off or something is probably going to not vote republican)... Still, kind of feels like it makes sense to do... Also wow... There are people who actually think "prejudice + power" is the dictionary definition of racism? That's kind of scary...

[@RJG7203]

How is that scary

[@RealmRabbit]

@@RJG7203 Because it isn't at all... It's just the definition of racism that some idiots started pretending is the definition... Kind of just feels like those quotes by people like Goebbels/Lenin (supposedly anyway) where if you just repeat a lie often enough it just ends up becoming the truth...

[@BigShugGames]

"I'm not gonna talk about something I haven't even read" great foreshadowing Lance.

[@zabadyboopywhatawoopy5192]

You don't even have to be white to be a karen you can be a needy entitled person like anyone that wants to speak to the manager for the slightest reason.

[@swampysix9375]

Valieth 1337 has there ever been a “Karen” that went viral who was not white?

[@zabadyboopywhatawoopy5192]

@@swampysix9375 I'm merely describing what I think is a karen. I didnt say anything about going viral.

[@zabadyboopywhatawoopy5192]

It can also mean being a basic bitch or being extra.

[@halfbloodprincess989]

This was so funny, I can't stop laughing. I don't even feel offended about being White.

[@Reticulan1]

The reason why Canadians don't just integrate first Nations people is because our attempts to do so are the main contention between us. Destiny also assumes that the Canadian political system is better than a first Nations system, which is far from proven because thier system was destroyed by the religious beliefs of colonizers and replaced by a hybrid system that doesn't work for either side. The reason conditions on reserves are so bad is because of the same corruption that the rest of us deal with in our governments with no oversight as to how money is spent. Personally I believe that the Catholic Church should be taxed into oblivion and all funds given to first nation community's, and allocated to create proper infrastructure.

[@TR13400]

Yea Destiny is way off on this topic his logic is basically "yea go ahead and take literally the last thing Native Americans have left and give that to the same "nation" of people who took it from them. Its okay to do this because it will help people that arent Native Americans? He is completely out of touch

[@camron.w1841]

Jokes on you Destiny, I'm Jewish! So technically I'm not white in the view of very strange people on the right.

[@jessehenderson2967]

My room mates Jewish and he relates more to me as a black dude than to white people. Welcome fren

[@MiokeDokey]

The Godstinys Per Minute in this video was way too high to handle.

[@AbonZel3]

I can understand Destiny's concerns about mail in voting, but I don't know if it would be a worse system than we have now. He had concerns about certain groups of people being more represented with mail in voting, but he also said before that there are people who don't vote because they can't get off work. A lot of those people are poor, and minorities are, as a percentage of their population, more likely to be poor than white people, so our current system already favors more affluent white people. Also, he talked about getting stamps, which I'm pretty sure isn't necessary. I got a primary ballot in the mail a while ago, really easy to fill out, no stamp needed.

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

Detroid: Become White

[@kylestyyle987]

What issue did Destiny have with Michael Brooks exactly? He thought Bernie was easily the best candidate, but criticized the Bernie or Bust idea and never once advocated for it. Also his understanding of history was second to none among political commentators, left and right. I don’t get what Destiny is talking about

[@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1]

Destiny, one of the most sophisticated centrists out there: I can respect that.

[@AVikingNerd]

@Kayden Why would it matter what he would be in europe when the comment is on his position in american politics? It's also invalid anyway, pretty Destiny self identifies as left leaning in regards to american politics anyway.

[@Henry_Smith_862]

White people were White in this debate

[@chrismcnuggett]

Damn it, I’m white 😢

[@commenttroll6933]

Plus you're white

[@xemphis1690]

Hey just tossing it out there, you dont need to take a polygraph test to get a security clearance. Idk if destiny is saying you have to or if you have to AGREE to. Lmk if anyone else knows what they think he's getting at

[@aaryanshastri5282]

The start caught me off guard

[@axlglenn2156]

lmao that intro

[@naterambles8525]

I'm a leftist who lives in Arizona, the electoral college has basically rendered my vote useless. I vote for Vermin Supreme every year, he's the only one who deserves to be president. #votebootnomatterwhoot.

[@pepesilvia5936]

I don't think the electoral college has actually rendered your vote useless. Considering the results from 2018 and recent polling data, AZ could actually be in play this time. Not trying to say you should or shouldn't vote for anyone.

[@badvertise]

Idk about the polygraph test take around 26:00, according to the APA/many psychologists, it doesn't accurately detect lies.

[@toomuchlove1524]

Damn.. destiny said Mike from PA is a grifter like Hillary Clinton except the only difference being that Hillary has a real law degree

[@l9o6p7a3k4a]

if a white person cries enough about indigenous issues do they think they can say they were apart of the trail of tears 14:43 🤣😭🤣💀

[@YemYum]

i fucking L O V E that destiny is going ham on mike. That dude is such an obvious farce.

[@Worgen33]

Yeah the "your white" meme will get old really quick, but right now its fun.

[@flower5185]

destiny's arguments against mail in voting are terrible. having to put the ballot into a mailbox is obviously less of a barrier than going to a specific voting location during specific hours on one day

[@AVikingNerd]

It seems his primary concern is if mail in voting lends it self to coercion/bribery being more effective, since the ballot isn't being recorded in a public space where other people naturally don't have the ability to make sure you vote a certain way, or influence you. If it can be proven that this hasn't/wouldn't happen, it seems like he'd be in favor of the idea.

[@philipdolan2191]

Also couldnt you take a picture of your ballot at the polls I look at my cellphone for last minute down ballot races where I dont know the people

[@jtzoltan]

I'm concerned about the chain of custody of ballots between intended recipient and the polling station being full of vulnerabilities. I'm worried that voter verification will be messed up as people get ballots delivered to addresses they've moved from, or submit a mail-in ballot AND vote in person. I'm worried that they'll be counting ballots for so long after election night and that ballots will keep rolling in and "being found". The Dems are making the verification process weaker too by scrapping the protocol for mismatched signatures that would go back to the voter to resolve with a proper signature or come vote in person. It seems they want votes with mismatched signatures to be countable without contest.

[@theimmortal4718]

Isn't one of the big issues that people aren't dropping those ballots into mailboxes. Instead, they're being delivered by some schmucks with bags, suitcases, coolers, etc., full of ballots. We need to at least add a biometric aspect like a fingerprint that gets scanned to ensure it's actually the voters ballot.

[@johns1625]

There is no chain of custody or signature matching with mail ballots. They verify there is a signature and count the vote. Anyone could sign it and they don't match signatures unless the ballot is contested

[@ChichiNaka]

I don't care about anything related to American politics for the most part but it's weird to hear Destiny say on repeat that somehow someone has to have a history of raping people, it feels like if some streamer murdered someone he wouldn't jump to the defence of "well they've never murdered someone before"

[@ophast2128]

Just because many US agencies use lie detector tests doesn't imply that they are effective means of empirically determining if someone is lying, Destiny.

[@bizzzzzzle]

If people are to stupid to mail in their ballot, I don’t think they should be voting.

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

The whole point of the Karen meme is white, middle-class women exercising their white privilege. The hair style is correlated based on generalisation.

[@Slembi]

The editor didn't change the outro in this debate

[@xbaneet3969]

Dont you choose to be a karen?

[@galleryofrogues]

Yes

[@shanerooney7288]

This guy is the biggest hypocryte over what he said at 1:01:50 What he said at that time stamp I absolutly agree with. But what he keeps repeating throughout the video is a contradiction of this. He says that people should attack the class, not the race. Yet he REPEATEDLY attacks the race. If he's trying to make the argument that he uses "white" as a standin for "Middle class"; firstly - why? Secondly - how does that make sense when he attacks someone for BOTH their class and their race, or their class and race and sex. "Middle class white male".

[@lpenna9518]

Probably the funniest convo I've heard in a long time.

[@aes0p895]

Michael Brooks was never Bernie or Bust. He might have talked some shit, but he absolutely was never BOB, and criticized ppl who were.

[@eliperilpresidente]

I didn’t think Destiny could make a joke unfunny in only 2 streams. Impressive!

[@bostonlawrence590]

White spotted

[@toomuchlove1524]

@@bostonlawrence590 He likely doesn't have blue collar job and wrote this comment from his iPhone 11 Pro

[@gabecordoba-hawthorne7510]

Lance is such a clown…

[@Johnny1864]

Brooks isn't Bernie or bust, and I'm pretty sure he never was...

[@henryzelman4541]

@treydarling It does actually matter because most people who advocate for Bernie and Bust genuinely believe that they are making the right choice by either not voting or voting third party... a lot of them are just pissed off that Bernie lost and don't want to vote for Biden but having political influencers vouch for this position will make them much more apathetic. It goes from the individual saying they are Bernie or Bust because they are upset to a broader normalization of this opinion that will affect voter turnout for Biden.

[@FTWorWTF]

I think voting third party is something you should only do if you live in either a solidly red or blue state. Which I do (Maryland!) So I will be voting green party.

[@MrISAACFACE]

Michael gave destiny so much cognitive dissonance in their debate that destiny has like straight up compartmentalized it and made Michael into this insane strawman that has nothing to do with who he actually is.

[@Kloutkulture]

Means End Michael Brooks mentally walks circles around Destiny while simultaneously dousing him in gasoline and burning him alive 😭

[@modder15]

His base is.

[@EveryTimeV2]

Simply put, it would be unreasonable to expect black people to be able to exert the same level of self-control over insulting whites as it would be to expect whites in a relatively safe position to simply behave. When you are being oppressed, it is not reasonable to expect yourself to be reasonable. You are only human. Given that white people were oppressed in the same way, it would just result in white people acting the same as blacks would now. The problem is we aren't really in a position to prove that white people, are no better, at these optics.

[@testchannelpleaseignore2452]

30:30 glad I found this vod after it came out that her expert witness stuff was bs. Yeah you can say her allegations were not true but you cant deny the crazy fucking classism that this shows in people

[@policbolsha7064]

destiny substantially underestimates how serious natives take state engagement and understanding of land

[@ladyvanda]

Hopefully the “destiny ... in this debate” (extremely funny and unexpected) will fade out once the stans reach 40. 🙏 In some debate.

[@krazykris9396]

My state has had mail in voting for 2 decades. It has worked well.

[@nexttonowhere]

Please talk to him more. He manages to get to your true opinions. Which I wish you stated more.

[@ChaseFace]

This comment aged poorly.

[@TomBomba]

@@ChaseFace Why did it? :o

[@brianleonard6598]

Yikes, Destiny's take on polygraphs is really bad. Polygraphs are used as a means of intimidation. They however prove nothing by themselves.

[@ilyaterk110]

I like Serfs, he seems like a good faith guy

[@Monsteretrope]

First video I saw of Vaush gave me the same impression of him, which says a lot. A single video doesnt mean much.

[@toddpacker4683]

This didn’t age well

[@ilyaterk110]

@@toddpacker4683 lmao, don't know what came over me

[@toddpacker4683]

@@ilyaterk110 lol I thought he was good faith too in the past

[@neonlost]

lel u don’t need a stamp or an envelope for a mail in ballot wtf mail in voting is way easier