This match set a HIGH bar for the Stormgate Showdown... • MC vs. DRX MOON

[@ianbarile8650]

I love when both of you cast anything

[@しらこ-465]

Been a fan of Moon for 20 years! Great to see him putting on good games in a new RTS.

[@Kritikk]

Im watching on 1080p60 hd but it look like 480p. Did something go wrong with the upload?

[@bobsagget4061]

Was not expecting the way this tourney turned out. So excited for the future of this game. It’s so fun even now.

[@winterfall_0]

It really doesn't feels like right that a supposedly invasive and brutal race is actually the sluggiest and the most turtle-prone race. Meanwhile a supposedly desperate race, living in a post-apocalyptic world is actually the most energetic, modern, and polished-looking.

[@ChrisLT]

Fun to watch, even if I don't really know what's going on most of the time (yet). Gotta try it myself, I suppose.

[@lyubit9841]

A great match but we all need to agree: a skin where you can paint the Weaver's toenails would be amazing.

[@Outpost67]

Weaver Says, "Trans Rights"

[@mjaddix3278]

resolution too low music too loud

[@fxandrei]

The resolution is to low.

[@elisabettajdj335]

How hard is it to understand that broodwar players do not love RTS, they love broodwar.

[@Tofa_illo]

good games, im definitely interested in this game now! looks fun

[@Alekouzos]

I love the effort from devs. But stormgate matches seems little boring. Also we dont know nothing about storyline or any info about races? Its like a funmade mod.

[@Dangoboi]

And they proceeded to mispronounce harbinger for the rest of the tournament.

[@debostahn]

Give them a break, they're harbeginners

[@delirium1326]

So excited to see new rts with high level gameplay. Keep this going!

[@mohastgridlock]

Game looks and plays great.

[@Iog0ut]

I wish the creatures mined from a smaller resource block, not to be a sc2 guy when looking at a new game but I hate looking at the bases while my workers disappear behind things to mine, makes it really hard to track and cases me to get a headache from my eyes straining to look at it when working are popping in and out of vision

[@marjimanrts]

Game looks better now and it should continue getting updates.

[@rockonj4]

Worlds best casting duo, worlds worst technology 1080p? Hi 2015 called and wants it’s resolution back

[@fearan9406]

the damage model is w3 completely

[@decadoseproductions2784]

this is a great game you both cast

[@ahjington89]

Love the studio

[@asldfjkalsdfjasdf]

So infernal has mostly Meele Units that are too slow to surround or even reposition fast. Even the lancer is faster.

[@sluggath88]

I think this is a bad round as it doesn't showcase the infernals well haha. Right now the hexen has an Ability called miasma that allows them to take engagements with the exo

[@lukasegger1509]

The game starts to look better and just from the development of the meta (even tough it seems unbalanced or unexplored). Very nice and I convinced, with just some bigger changes and alot minor changes in all aspects of the game, which it needs, it could become great. Thanks Frostgiant and Tasteless for the entertainment !

[@xenom23]

cope

[@jamesz1003]

why does infernal feels so weak?

[@JustinK0]

if only you watched the first minute before commenting, 0:45

[@jamesz1003]

@@JustinK0 i watched the whole thing, still felt weak...lots of hitting, nothing dying.

[@occrats479]

Their strength is that they can insta spawn units so their units can't have a ton of inherent value or it would just be too strong. I think most of their units need to be physically smaller so they can swarm better.

[@jamesz1003]

@@occrats479 ok, that makes more sense

[@occrats479]

@@jamesz1003 To add onto my original comment when infernals get momentum in the game it's hard for other races to keep up but main army vs main army fights aren't where they shine

[@slabathonfury3879]

What is this supposed to be??? Boring early game, boring mid game, and the bigger clump pushes into Moon's base and the game is over? Where's the fucking excitement that's going to make anybody want to watch this shit as an e-sport? Which part of that makes you want to queue up and play?

[@keepcalm3547]

very well said sir.

[@lyubit9841]

Have you ever watched pro players in fighting games in the first month of a game's release? People dropping combos because they're not sure whether a safer but dramatically less damaging combo would be better, weak punishes when blocking moves that are balanced to be very punishable on block, very poor meter usage (or in the case of tekken 8, very boring meter use) because the systems aren't fully internalized yet... New fighting games can look pretty ugly. OK Now imagine needing to build that knowledge, but instead you need to balance your resources for 10 to 20 minutes AND figure out how to efficiently tech up AND figure out how to efficiently expand to pay for your army AND you don't even know how many production buildings you can sustain at constant capacity while affording important upgrades AND be out on the map taking creep camps and setting up your faction's collection point for the Vespene Rocks so you can also do some macro upgrades. RTS games have more moving parts, and early in the game things are still getting sorted out. The terror of Blue Flame Hellion timings early in sc2's life still haunts me, seeing Boxer just roll up with four of them and Win immediately.

[@premiumfruits3528]

No one wants to watch this, lol, they're forcing it hard. It's already dying. Horrible EA release, monetized in the worst way, people already moving on to better RTSs. Even uThermal stopped endlessly shilling it. The only reason this event is happening is because Tastlesses literal mom is on the Stormgate dev team. Her other son already dropped the game, lmao.

[@liamn3983]

I love it 🎉

[@jujumamaboy]

So just mass lancers and gg?

[@sluggath88]

Infernals have figured out how to deal with them. Miasma ability works well

[@redda2]

Is this WC3 moon?

[@benderunit44]

This is a warcraft3 mod?

[@waferjuice]

its so funny they are STRUGGLING to not use starcraft reference such as stim pack or whatever SC words...

[@KiekoKoyasu]

I miss iNcontroL 😢

[@NexusNoxCS]

Sigh. I do understand that we *need* new RTS games for the health and survival of the genre and we need for them to do good. I get that. But at the same time boy do I dislike the look of the whole lot of them. Stormgate in particular to my eye looks like incomprehensible mess. None of the units have those clear from a single glance, uniquely thematic silhouettes that made C&C, Warcraft and Starcraft the successes they were.

[@CoL_Drake]

jaeh but thats TASTE ... you have one and your allowed to and so do others. for me every unit in stormgate looks so clear different in a way WAY more way then in sc2 where a noob would not tell you whats a marauder whats a marine. i honestly get people dislike some art and stuff but saying the stuff looks the same when the creatures look SO different is crazy to me like name me 2 units that look to similar ? just two ? i could not name two in teh whole game

[@RickDSanchez]

agree, gameplay is boring also

[@xenom23]

@@CoL_Drake legibility isnt taste

[@peterlaanguila5098]

Looks good to me

[@RickDSanchez]

@@peterlaanguila5098 some people like the taste of poop too

[@nickandrievsky5705]

Legendary

[@cosmopolisosmo8635]

Units take too much time to die. Damage of all units should be increased by at least 25 percent.

[@sluggath88]

This is intentional. So you have more time to micro. A little less fun to watch in the early game. But more fun to micro. Late game armies can still die quickly due to splash damage

[@JustinK0]

weird that most of the pro wc3 and sc2 players seem to enjoy the pvp gameplay and the people who dont like it are likely that ones that were garbage at pvp and only play for co-op and the campaign which isnt done yet. its obvious why they work on pvp first since its a much more important part of the game considering its a free game.. people that only care about the campaign will just do it then quit..

[@bricelory9534]

Except that from what I understand, both the campaign and Co-Op are paid portions of the game, so they *better* be good if they're expecting people to pay for it.

[@JustinK0]

​@@bricelory9534 The campaign / co-op are simply not done yet, if people are iffy about paying for it, they should wait for the reviews before they buy it. That being said, it makes more sense that the early access has a stronger pvp focus (just like it was in sc2 beta in early 2010) because its a much more popular part of this style of game because of the pro scene.

[@bricelory9534]

​@@JustinK0 then they should be staying in Alpha, non-public. The Campaign is less sophisticated than WC3's and its story is mind numbingly derivative. If they want people to pay for it, they *need* to make it entertaining, offer new features, and at the very least have a story that is interesting. More than being unfinished, they'd have to rebuild the whole thing from the ground up. Right now, new missions feel like introduction tutorials for a new unit - following a traditional RTS model of showing you how each new unit works and gives you situations they excel at. And that works well because WC3 had an interesting story and a variety of missions, SC2 added even more variety and hugely expanded the single player experience to have access to units and abilities not available in PvP, which made these campaigns really worth returning to even after years away. No one should be willing to pay money in 2024 for a campaign that is about as sophisticated in terms of customization as SC1 while having a far less interesting story. And pros will play where there is money, and there's probably hype because there's an entirely new meta to solve. I get how that is fun, absolutely. But from a spectator's perspective - which is ultimately more important than even the pro's opinions, it is widely seen that people find this unappealing for many different reasons. Which is a bad place to be. And I've heard very mixed things about people playing PvP - some enjoy it, others don't.

[@decadoseproductions2784]

harbinger

[@grizzlydynamics]

So basically always the same stuff. Once a group of promoted exos is on the playing field, everything just dies. GREAT FUN! Nerf that fucking unit.

[@JustinK0]

just like the nerfed the marine in sc2? haha yeah right

[@finrodfel06]

It got nerfed lmao.

[@reereeree-mx2gs]

another small indie company game development?

[@xenom23]

40 million indie compagny

[@aleksitjvladica.]

Moon 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍!

[@Tac-0]

Theres no part of this game that looks good ,sadly... and the Steam reviews probably dont lie.. but I have a small glimmer of hope so i gota play it a bit first before i make up my mind entirely, I WANT it to be good so BADLY, we NEED a good RTS game , RTS is a dead genre .

[@laureloneiros1500]

terran could have won game 5 if it just built a death ball instead of going in piece meal 3 times

[@DAMND3Xx]

MC!!!!

[@Sinekyre14]

Its so unappealing..

[@JustinK0]

its an illusion your brain is playing on you, its new so everything looks so strange and unfamiliar.

[@P00kyLikesFoxies]

Love the presentors but this game is really bad. Who ever was the first to announce it is the followup to sc2 rlly fked up.

[@sluggath88]

It borrows a lot from WCIII and SC2. I don't think it's weird to say it's a follow up as it's made with a similar features and spirit of starcraft II. Also still in early access

[@Valaskjold]

@17:20 to @17:30 left hanging.. so sad 😞

[@elisabettajdj335]

Interesting... only players playing dead games are willingly playing stormgate lmao I have yet to see any starcraft broodwar pro (artosis and tasteless dont count since they are paid by them) willingly play stormgate

[@gifmesome]

game seems boring

[@xenom23]

I am sorry tasteless, i was as hyped as you for this game. Turned out , all they wanted was a chill office in LA and sit on 40 millions dollars and making people hype for nothing for around 5 years. I understand this is early acces , but nothing about the complains mentions can be changed until the game officially release. The celestial vs celestial matchup? have someone at the office even played that game to let this out and say that it passes the quality test..

[@ShiroKage009]

I mean, Broodlord Infestor and Swarm Host VS Swarm Host were shit metas in SC2 and they were released too. This is a startup that got its funding gradually instead of it being pre-budgeted.

[@xenom23]

@@ShiroKage009 yea and the broodlord infestor and swarm host almost killed the game completly. They bring in people from blizzard , but it was people from the worst era of blizzard repeating the same mistakes over and over again

[@Pistallion1]

Can you give me a timestamp of the celestial vs celestial game? Im trying to see this lmao

[@xenom23]

@@Pistallion1 its not in this vid unfortunally , go watch the whole tournament , there is plently

[@ShiroKage009]

@@xenom23 really? Weren't those people also part of the development of all of SC2's awesome mechanics? BL-I and SH-SH were definitely not Blizzard's worst era.

[@zaftnotameni]

shitgate is a horrible game

[@bobsagget4061]

Why you here watching a Stormgate stream then? Emotional much?

[@gangessa]

@@bobsagget4061 how about we are all RTS lovers and wish this genre to do good and get out of stagnation, hence we watch and follow? people like you, who buy any crap that appears on a market, are a reason why we can't have nice things tbf.

[@peterlaanguila5098]

@@zaftnotameni if the game was based on yourself then yeah

[@skywillfindyou]

If Happy joins Stormgate... and plays those demons... Could it be done? Nah, game is dead.