This NEW motherboard design changes EVERYTHING! - MSI B650M Project Zero

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MSI has a bold new plan to change how we build PCs forever. They are moving everything to the BACK of the motherboard. Lets take a quick look at the all new MSI B650M Project Zero. Zero Cable, Zero Worries!
Check out our MSI Computex 2023 coverage: • No Cables No Worries -...
Chapters
00:00 - We've seen this before but...
01:12 - What is in the box?
02:16 - What makes it tick?
05:22 - Drop the beat
06:08 - What the story so far?
08:57 - What we know about case compatibility
10:18 - Subscribe for donuts

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[@user-zc7xm9yn4t]

just to let you know... you dont need to say "saYta or saRta ports" just go with whatever fells natural for you. no one will judge you :)

[@ducebrickinson]

I don’t hope this becomes a trend i want it to be the standard always bugged me having wires everywhere

[@Playerz714]

Yup just finished my new rig and it's insane how stagnant the connectors for everything is compared to decades ago

[@KG_BM]

except current, damn near every case would be impossible

[@Dozeball]

My concern with this imminent new craze of mounting all the plugs on the back of the motherboard, is that the motherboards that do this will not be compatible with any of the cases currently available globally. I mean, even if we assume that all of the ports are going to be in the exact same location on the board, just on the rear, there a re absolutely zero PC cases that I can think of right now, that will accommodate boards like this i.e. no cases with grommets in the right locations, and I bet that for a while, the standoffs supplied will not be tall enough to lift the motherboard enough to run the cables behind in order to connect to the reversed sockets

[@rickss69]

Jonsbo cases

[@johnzea3176]

MSI MAG PANO M100R PZ Black Micro ATX Gaming Case, Support Back-Connect Motherboard

[@willpatog9001]

this motherboard works in the new thermaltake tower 300

[@Phalaxis83]

Excellent video fams. Pretty neat idea

[@jwaye89]

Banger of a video fams, I can't wait to see more motherboards follow this. Keep up the hard work

[@mrthemoonbear]

Interesting concept, I wonder if any thought was put into having blanks to cover the pci slots if they were not being used? Just to maintain the sleek look that little bit more.

[@GearSeekers]

Thats a great idea!

[@kai_hansen]

@@iOnline_ There is 2, neither of which needs to be populated for a running system but you go off queen.

[@user-bh3bl3tu1m]

Where are you going to plug in the CPU cooler (or AIO) if the fan headers are all on the back? There should be a pass-thru opening somewhere in the board.

[@ericm3364]

I enjoy the motherboard reviews, please continue doing them. Especially itx motherboards:)

[@102830189291]

Where would you connect an AIO?

[@Kova_xo]

I like this as an additional option. But i know many who like cables especially for adding color.

[@Kevtron257]

So when will these actually be for sale?

[@OlavAlexanderMjelde]

Will it fit in cases? I think maybe its easier to hide cables with panels?

[@Kevtron257]

If it doesnt you can just take a dremel and make most cases compatible

[@muhammadfirmansyahdwiputra]

is this motherboard will fit to APNX C1?

[@257_Lau]

It's an good idea but some people just like seeing custom cables the connectors for as example Power button can go behind the board imo but not everyone has the same opinion

[@Kelekona_808]

Oh man the beat drop on this song was sick!

[@user-jn7gm3ct8z]

If you got a Dremel, you can make ANY Case Project Zero compatible. Sheeet, i might get one. 🤔

[@victorvendetta9409]

I can't imagine making a stencil is hard at all

[@iceeblister]

is this mobo really compatible with having 2 7200 mhz ram sticks?

[@filds1]

My guess we need to use different standoffs on the case. There is no way case fan gonna fit on that mother in normal atx case.?

[@mannyc19]

Great video ! Whatever happened to the Lian Li SUP 01 ?? Lian Li said ir would reach etail by Sept'ish Thanks.

[@the_anxiousphotographer]

Interesting to note that the B760m Project Zero board doesn't seem to have any sort of BIOS Flash or clear CMOS buttons that I can see on the pictures of it. Have you had a chance to see the Intel version of this board? If anybody knows please let me know.

[@goodmax48]

Concept is simple and has some room to evolve, however clearance at the back of the case is big issue. I think it would make much more sense with the case similar to O11 D

[@oscarcharliezulu]

I have to admit I vagued out partway thru you listing every connector.

[@chrisvector]

is AIO Pump header on the back too?

[@lynnmckenney1987]

Have you all had a look at the thermaltake tower 200? It looks like a popcorn machine, and I kind of love it. Would love to see you get your hands on one!

[@willpatog9001]

the tower 300 fits this motherboard

[@Tigerxx89]

Unfortunately, I just finished my MSI Meg build, so I’ll probably wait a couple more years before I look into building a zero build definitely like the ideal though. However, I just want to enjoy my new PC for now lol. I can’t wait until they release their new fans. That’s what I really want to add in my case.

[@Motion_God]

Favorite tech Channel

[@SOLVETCO]

Could it Dremel it’s way inside a y70 case ? :D

[@rickss69]

Jonsbo cases are compatible with this motherboard.

[@vaeloreonari7516]

The success is completely dependent on the vareity of cases that become available, and they need to be innovative on that front as well.

[@Bonzo_14]

How can you afford all of this?

[@jamescater66]

Shame the second PCIe is only an X1. So no chance of adding a 10G Ethernet card. Let's hope some of the next gen MATX boards will come with 10G on board and fix this issue once and for all

[@justatim8143]

I think all motherboards should come with 3 DRGB headers as 12V isn't needed as much. I am a fan of a all white build and MSI needs to bring back their B650m Mortar in White as they downsized the Project Zero Vs. the Mortar. One thing I am not happy with on a lot of the MSI boards like the Mortar is it only comes with 6 Layer PCB.

[@Jghosn13]

Failure on delivery...BH sold me one with defective cpu slot. One and only bent pin defective motherboard.

[@jeep2keep]

Could a guy modify his present case with a drimal tool to work with this type board?

[@willpatog9001]

yea some cases just depends on clearance

[@user-yg3sc6ve4m]

Hello, can you install an Nvidia Geforce RTX 4090 on this Micro ATX motherboard size? Thank You !

[@willpatog9001]

yes you can

[@user-yg3sc6ve4m]

Thank you ! @@willpatog9001

[@usleadershipareliars]

Very beautiful board

[@gordsy7931]

It’s called continuity Mr Nick!!

[@johnbowser2612]

Seems like an assinine way of doing things! Now you'd have to buy a special case to put it in. Seams like the same problem as buying a prebuilt with proprietary everything!

[@brendentran1]

corsair is coming out with 2 cases that allow for back input motherboards

[@outlet6989]

If my wife buys me this MB for Father's Day, I'm sure she will forget the special PC case. When a man of your size points his figure at me, I'll order mine today.

[@s3rit661]

Case compatibility list?

[@GearSeekers]

Its shown in the video

[@csl750]

Let's just hope some sort of standard is created... I don't want my case to be decided on my mother board and vice versa

[@heirtothethrone000]

Great concept but don't think we will see much of these mobos. Looks like they created a problem but would have been nice as regular board.

[@horizon4895]

I am in agreement with Paul's Hardware from back in Computex. Due to their incredibly limited compatibility, this just feels like a unnecessary investment. Why fix what isn't broken? Are we seriously going down the Jensen Huang route of "all screws and cables are ugly!" and hide everything instead of actually providing good price-to-performance and actually meaningful features? What about extension cables, which may add a last touch of color to a build? I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't get this trend. It doesn't even hide all cables anyways, like fan cables or GPU cables (Asus hides it, but that is a whole other can of worms). The only major positive I can see is that PSU cables can be made way shorter, which leads to a direct price decrease for PSUs, at the cost of potentially increasing price for motherboards due to them using more heatsinks to cover up the naked bits of the PCB where the plugs used to be.

[@Metamorph666]

man that looks sick🤯🔥

[@titan557]

I can't wait to see you build this new setup. I guess standard test benches will also have to be re-designed. Love ya Nick & Klaire.

[@aelaan12]

I see this really as a step forward, imagine you have x amount of layers in the PCB and now can cram more stuff on a smaller board. This makes the "reachability" of the connectors different. You will still need to run cables to/from your graphics card and, if you choose so, from your cooling block. What if they started a new trend and the PCI slot for the GPU would include power delivery? Maybe PCIe 6.0? Just some thoughts as a seek my brainz.

[@constantinosschinas4503]

Passing an extra 500W (or X times the gpus) through the board would certainly be an issue. What they could do is maybe have a passthrough pci 6.0 power port in a convienient spot near the slot?

[@aelaan12]

@@constantinosschinas4503 That is a fascinating perspective, I hope the world keeps inventing. I think that this MSI idea is just the beginning, today only few cases can harbor this motherboard. The cases would become more bulky in width as they can get shorter in vertical height.

[@constantinosschinas4503]

@@aelaan12 I think cases are already thick enough to accomodate this. Most if not all, have cable management on the back of the board, or even psus etc. They mostly need to add the proper holes around the perimeter of the motherboard.

[@ultraprimez]

Lian Li : OMG! What will we do with our RGB mobo Cables.😮 PC Users : Thug Life Bruh😎.

[@j.p.h.8126]

I dont want this to be come the standard. I like using nice custom cables to make my builds really pop. A build without cables would look weird. But it could be a second option for those who like it.

[@adxangeles7842]

Asus also did this on their TUF Gaming B760M-BTF, I've also seen news on Gigabyte with their video cards powered on reverse, so yeah I guess we'll see more of this clean no cable builds shortly.

[@GearSeekers]

I mentioned this in the video ;)

[@Vancha112]

In all honesty i prefer looking at cases that people spent some extra effort on. Good looking cables, in my opinion, look better than nothing at all. Its clean, but at the expense of compatibility. Not for me personally :o

[@ethenjordan2010]

I wonder if you’ll need to plan around the car. So the motherboard tray doesn’t get in the way and makes these accesable. JK you answered it

[@Phanbot01]

A lot of the connectors that would work would have to be "L" type connectors or you would need taller standoffs to provide adequate clearance to plug in the usb 3.2 Gen 1 header or the Gen 2 type-c connectors. Finding a case that has a large enough opening so you can be able to eyeball the back of the mother board and visually see if all necessary cables are properly plugged in before closing the case and discovering it won't power on cause you missed something.

[@mirkodiciano4647]

i like where their going with this, i cant wait for the power through pcie for graphics cards, nice one guys

[@LordApophis100]

Apple started doing GPU power through the motherboard with the PowerMac G5 in 2003. Nice to hear after 20 years it’s comes to the PC as well 😂

[@MultiRanman]

I like the option of not having cables, particularly for ITX pr small form factor builds. It’s sort of like complaining about Bluetooth. It’s not for everyone but it can be advantageous for many. Next would be for cases to catch up.

[@MIGEMI]

This is the future but with that price is DOA

[@Chrispynutt]

The case selection for this and its B760M counter part isn't great. Most of them look like ATX cases or event E-ATX. Such a waste with a Micro-ATX board. I like the concept. Combined with a Corsair SHIFT PSU you could do all your wiring on the back.

[@phondekarvidhesh]

Noice. This is the future next, build build build!

[@Gthemaniac]

So limited completely on case selection,. Pretty yes practical no

[@ZyxEd2525]

I believe the Asus A21 supports motherboards with behind the back connectors.

[@Kelekona_808]

I think I'd rather have cables come out towards the front of the case so I can see my cables and have higher case compatibility.

[@fritzdaledelossantos8328]

hope you can build it with an asus A21 case on it

[@mkatakm]

This is the most logical, practical and useful design and why they have waited until now is a mystery to me.

[@ninja47yt64]

The why is that this amazing feature creates a design change in cases, although I hope case manufacturers are already doing their thing🙃

[@mkatakm]

@@ninja47yt64 arranging cases accordingly doesn't require rocket science. I too can customize my case without much difficulties.

[@alcozar5905]

It’s not disorienting to me it seems like that were they belong.

[@MajykOyster666]

0:05 : Zero means no cable. 1:43 : These are great to label your cables. Please choose one.

[@CrazyCranker]

Interesting concept but, don't see this trend catching on if you have to buy a new case to make it work. :(

[@techgirl517]

Interesting but not so good anyway... imagine you have to test a motherboard with backconnectors... you can't place the motherboard on the box as usual and connect it... it is extremely uncomfortable so for me this concept need to be revisited.

[@MarceloTezza]

I know i shouldnt but this is one of the most exciting moves from MB manuf, but the price needs to come down...

[@GearSeekers]

I think it's really cool to see something very different

[@IAM7WARRIOR]

PLEASE I WANT A PC FOR FREE

[@danielbarona8750]

great video cool changes