This PLAT Thinks He's In ELO HELL... So We Made Him Prove It In a GRANDMASTER lobby... (Overwatch 2)

[@soulduelist2673]

Bringing plat player to grandmasters truly is a way to let him know what true hell is 💀

[@millertime-7999]

This is the best comment to represent anyone who’s says they are in “Elo hell

[@millertime-7999]

Comment of the year

[@ethankeys915]

He’s grandmasters his off role is plat

[@roeg9320]

​@@ethankeys915 hes masters

[@tacomaco4255]

He may reached master this season by the game boost and he doesn’t even belong there lol. Anyways the dude is not master at all

[@MrKogarou]

Reminder: [Plat] - [Diamond] - [Master] - [GM] They put this guy up 3 whole tiers. He played pretty well, overall. If you're in a GM game all of your mistakes are gonna get punished super hard. Looks like he's had a chance to see those weaknesses, and hopefully it'll help him improve in the role. Great ep.

[@Spingerer]

I truly don’t understand how people were saying he deserves plat and some were saying lower, with all due respect but clearly the low elo players were the ones who were making fun of him not realizing he was doing amazing as a plat, and that is with him being extremely nervous and in his head, I’d say he could defintely get to like mid-high diamond with time, but generally he’s clearly above plat.

[@schmietwechdeschiet4340]

Thats what im saying. Thinking you might belong in a higher rank doesnt automatically mean they all think they deserve to be gm or top500. They are still self aware enough. That that leap is a bit far fetched.

[@jacobward6787]

Or just idk play the game and go up ranks lol like I do it's pretty simple somebody calls you dogshit thier just generally irritated but tye fact you play better

[@nathanpray6279]

I mean he is másters in DPS so what’s the point? He’s just garbage

[@vincesherman8671]

Id love to see 5 past elo hell players being put in a masters lobby together and see how they fare

[@youtubeperson3343]

Jay made a video of 5 gold elo hell players against 5 diamond players

[@vincesherman8671]

Ill have a look for it. Thanks bro

[@lolsa123]

i think its shit enough to go up against diamond xD

[@rezq9109]

wdym plat 1 already plays agaisnt masters pepelaugh

[@cagxplays9602]

@@rezq9109 i get anything from plat to gm in my quickplay games lmao, all the time too.

[@milesdsy]

looking into psychology, he could also be in the mentality that his team isnt trustworthy (based on his comments on plat lobbies) but in these games, his team was actually really good so he has to learn to rely on them

[@mysticpebbles9652]

psychologically, he's playing like a dps. he was always looking for opportunities to deal damage before looking around for heals or thinking how he could be using his support abilities for his team

[@hms5]

this could also be a case of the dunning-kruger effect where the lucio, or any support other support they play, tend to overestimate their ability to be playmakers

[@tulipvibes2756]

I feel the trustworthy thing. Especially as a support player. I have to like force myself to trust that my team will be able to put up a fight lol

[@ericnephew7533]

@@hms5 every Lucio I play with lol

[@BenjaminHari]

BINGO!!! Elo hell might not exist BUT there are differences in skill/aim/gamesense in a team even if they are same rank. I saw that a lot more in metal ranks where my whole team would struggle dishing out damage or focusing on correct target so as a support main you try to be more agro as well to secure the elims. But around Diamond and Masters (some matches in plat sometimes) you can start to trust your team that they will play their intended role decently and reliably so you can focus a lot more on optimizing heals and surviving. But as we can see being agro on support can be helpful but it's also very risky as not only you risk dying more but you can also miss healing your team mate which can throw the whole game so my tip to lower rank is still to prioritize heals and evading getting killed because this way you'll survive more, get more heals and won't get blasted in chat for being bad at support...once you tilt a team mate it can also make them play worse....

[@BladeOfPurpleAura]

He’s good just inconsistent. Build up the confidence and realize what characters he’s playing and he’ll be fine. Also on Bap and Kiriko press fucking E. Just do it.

[@strongchad8130]

in super high rank lobbies you need to hold on to E... entire plays are made waiting for kiriko to fuck up and use E. same with bap. if they just spam these off CD theyre useless. you need to hold onto cleanse for things like ana nade, or if your dps/tank are getting doomfist punched into a wall or some other form of CC like rein charge you need to have E off cooldown. as someone who plays a lot of dive/flank characters i almost always wait for supports to fuck up and use their cooldowns.

[@BladeOfPurpleAura]

@@strongchad8130 There were fights him and his team literally died and he never used his immort ability. That’s atrocious.

[@strongchad8130]

@@BladeOfPurpleAura yeah you're right, at the end of the day if it can save your team use it, but cant stand seeing kirikos use it just to mitigate a bit of damage so they can pump heals, see it all the time. its too useful as a counter to things to just use it off CD non stop.

[@TamWam_]

@@strongchad8130 as a kiriko i sometimes do this, i use E when someone is like 1hp and needs saving. though suzuing a pharah when she ults is good if it’s a good ult, and i’ve also suzud myself to survive dva ult, junkrat ult etc

[@DumplingDoodle]

@@BladeOfPurpleAura tbf sometimes in metal ranks teammates sometimes just ignore immortality field… probably just old habits.

[@user-jv7xc5yo3d]

I agree with what was told. He got lost sometimes when rushing in as a supp or especially when he got dove by the enemy he corners himself a lot (most likely from positioning). But he has to remember supps are to enable your teammates and be aware of your positioning/surroundings. But he does have potential. I hope he learned a lot and now will remember to use it down the line when going into comp! GLHF!

[@nonipplenoah6179]

GOOD LUCK FUN HAVE!

[@MisterRawgers]

I completely agree his biggest issue is his DPS mentality and positioning. I have that same issue when I play support lol

[@99Darksorcerer99]

I noticed he almost never immortalities for his team, only himself

[@DumplingDoodle]

that's kinda how it be as a metal rank support player lol. old habits die hard.

[@DumplingDoodle]

@@waitwhat238 i mean, a gm bap should probably be able to avoid having immortality forced out that often.

[@salty_fish8762]

Tbh some of the parts he needed to use it on himself. He was getting dived a lot.

[@milkymalik2628]

Seems like he's letting his habit of not trusting teammates get in the way besides when he isn't getting dived

[@muffinman15]

He is obviously a good player and has decent game sense. He is just typically out of position as support. He is positioning in similar places as he probably would on DPS. But mechanics wise and understanding abilities and interactions he clearly is a good player.

[@xTheAmazing1x]

Great video as always, love the ELO HELL videos. Maybe have one of the players take a screen shot of stats at end of game?

[@Cedarbear113]

Bring back looking for group! That was by far my favorite way to queue back in the day. Every game was full try hard and comms were actually reliable

[@Alirezarz62]

I couldn't find a group at the end it was always like 1 team trying to queue and they needed French or German mic so I almost never used it in the last year of ow1

[@B_bang22]

@@PikachuComments how did you not notice it😭. It was literally a big yellow sign at the bottom of the screen

[@padarousou]

On xbox and maybe playstation they have it but people always require a mic and are usually a holes if you dont carry

[@AbsoluteApril]

"saving nano for OW PVE" had me dying 😂😂😂

[@Memo-yh4nc]

It annoys me that he sees his entire team up front and no one pushing cart yet he just runs right by it at 2:48. Maybe he called it out in comms or something but still. His big problem is positioning. Sometimes, I have this problem too when I come back to support after playing DPS for a bit. He’s not valuing his life enough and is way too far forward. It’s better to either stay back or take an off angle. His mechanics are good. So once he works on his game sense, I think he’ll rank up 👍

[@Bbistheman_]

It seems like he understands the game but not his role

[@kaposzn2086]

payload moves with no one on it untill it gets to the arch

[@KingJx30]

Yes. He doesn't understand that the role of a support is to expect/predict incoming damage and save teammates with abilities. If teammates are good THEN he can dps as a support.

[@ninjakilzombie3442]

​@@kaposzn2086 that's not true at all lol, the cart stops as soon as it leaves the doors LOL.

[@KingJx30]

@@jeremypcleung yes of course. My point applies in all situations. Supports prioritize healing incoming damage / pocketing heal dps (such as zen orb on genji/tracer) and doing dps themselves but priority is to heal teammates first.

[@milestrowbridge8653]

He really just needs to know what the role of a support is and being more aware in team fights and less clueless. (Happened a lot in this, especially when versing ball and genji)

[@aheg0re]

I was stuck in Silver for the longest time, even in Overwatch 1 and I always said I belong on a higher rank as support. In Season 3 of OW2 I finally made it, climbed up all the way to platin 1 and games are now for some reason way easier for me, so I do get it when people say lower ranks are hell because playing with people that just do whatever they want is horrible. However I think this guy focuses too much on dps when he is playing support. He should stay back and focus on his role, not letting it get to his head that he is actually master dps, because that's not his role in support games. He did very well on Ana tho! If he focuses on his positioning especially with Ana, and uses his Ult more, then I think he can climb up to a new rank quite easily.

[@Ashley-nope]

It took me 5 seasons to get out of bronze and a season to go from silver to plat. Elo hell is real.

[@samuelfelty]

I mean you could argue you just got better between ow1 and S3 of ow2. It's true that people often do whatever they want in lower ranks, but if you're actually a good player, then you'll be able to punish the other team for their bad plays to win games more often.

[@aheg0re]

​@@samuelfelty the amount of times I had nearly 20-25k healing, while the other team's most heal was around 15k, so there were HUGE differences between my healing and every one else's. i also nearly never died and sometimes even ended up having more eliminations (+ assists ofc) than my teammates. I played in groups with my friends, that were ranks higher than mine, and I was easily able to play just as good. I agree that to a certain amount as a healer you have a huge impact on the game and you can of course carry a team as a healer, but that's firstly not really fun, secondly very frustrating and annoying and in the end, if you lose as a team, you automatically lose rank. at the end of the rounds overwatch is a team game, and if you have a widow and hanzo that refuse to switch with 2 kills each round, then that's not able to be carried.

[@BigDeku572]

You probably found higher ranks easier this game bc metal ranks in ow1 were way harder than they are now. Diamond in ow1 is equivalent to low gm in ow2 imo

[@Ashley-nope]

@@aheg0re and if you do more than heal in lower ranks you get sooooo much heat. Like I’m top in healing, eliminations, and I have the least deaths. I’m not the freaking issue here.

[@ftyishadow735]

He need to start playing zen, then he can heal passive but focusing also on dps

[@Azodiac]

Or now Illari as well ;)

[@Miguel10K382]

​@@AzodiacFr

[@leonkenedy201]

My man was playing mystery heroes at the end

[@xitzbeats2533]

As goofy as Jay is he really is a wholesome dude

[@BlxckKxge]

At 17:25 I got the Morty, "Get your shit together Summer!" Speech vibes 😂

[@CHUCKZ2]

The one thing that got me out from plat was accepting that even though I had good positioning and strong game awareness, my aim was just straight up butt cheeks. Once my aim improved I easily hit Diamond. I quickly realized you can’t be hard stuck plat if you have improved accuracy. You have a huge edge in that league just by hitting your shots more often.

[@Spingerer]

I think this guy is exactly the opposite of you lol, he clearly has good aim and decent mechanics but his positioning and healing awareness is so bad that it’s strongly limiting him.

[@mysticpebbles9652]

15:00 suzu kept dva from getting heal buff...

[@UberGailer]

This guy is deserved plat support tbh...

[@JustUsFriends98]

Real, the comment section’s too nice

[@freeruggslll8036]

Right, like when bro was lucio he was switching from heal to speed to healing too damn much to look esthetically pleasing or that he’s doing something

[@ery]

I’d say more like diamond, he’s got a little bit to work on but he’s probably never played in a gm game on support so the jump from plat lobbies to gm probably messed with him

[@drssupreme3332]

@@eryI agree. More diamond. His brig though… yeah that’s gold level brig gameplay.

[@Spingerer]

Trust me dude he deserves more than plat, I was a diamond tank and when I first started getting close to masters it was really tough but when I got plat lobbies I play sooo much better. when I watch GM players they get mad when they see masters on their teams saying things like how is this dude in the same lobby as me, so to think that this dude played with GMs who are usually much better than Masters who are much better than Diamonds who are much better than Plat! Trust me nobody would realize any of the things I said unless you tried it yourself.

[@Pancake_Nix]

I've got 2nd most time played on Lucio from my supports, and I can tell you he's definitely fun to play. I play him way less in Ow2, but I had some very fun games playing Lucio in Ow1 and in Ow2.

[@tagadaki]

As a ana main player, I swear I throw my nano as soon as I have it most of the time, even if it's not always the right time, allows me to throw 10 nano in a game without giving a fuck lmao 😆

[@nexusraijin3723]

One thing I’ve seen is that with playing support you need to use cover more. Each character has there strengths. Lucio is movement and team play, Anna is using anti nade to heal your tank while hitting others around him/her to make sure they can’t heal, Moria is spread healing while using damage orb to push other team back, bap is using his boots, using the vertical movement to get out of danger and either deal damage or heal others in awkward positions, brig is staggering others, use abilities whenever needed, but always stay between the tank and dps, kiriko sozu is just broken, removes status’s and invulnerable, best against mei and Ashe, but always usable on any ultimate, zen is his discord easily, we know how busted it is, life weaver is his ability to have the vertical naturally which if you have a support up there or a dps in open areas it makes the game that much harder.

[@tobi7528]

Congratulations 300k🎉🎉

[@jjjason2000]

as bastion i use my ult usually within 30 seconds of getting it, get 1 - 2 kills, or break apart their formation and start working on the next ult.

[@markmckenzie9074]

Saying Lucio isn't fun to play has to be the wildest statement compared to Anna sitting there and sniping, waiting to sleep someone

[@randomangoyt2330]

bro this is the only one on the elo hell videos i’ve seen that i think deserves a higher rank

[@sgn8753]

I think he needs to work more on his awareness in regards to his teammates and positioning. He's too agressive and uses his abilities mostly as a failsafe for that instead of anticipating damage to his team. Like, I feel like he wants to go in and do a lot of damage up close and uses his abilities to stay alive for that but he should value his life more than that as a support and pay more attention to what the team is going to do. Running into the tank first and punching them as an ana is a weird example for that. You can scope, use it

[@bargik]

Your rage when he was ruining his own mental made me subscribe lmao

[@mercurial24x]

elo hell is the best ow2 content that any streamer makes rn!

[@norawolohan5753]

Holding ult is what made me not great with Rein but solo ulting a poor support player actually helped me do better and become confident with taking space helped me not overthink, so dont hold ults

[@Bbistheman_]

Vsilent is a maniac on the Kiri

[@Seraph318]

"Making your bed is a waste of time" THANK YOU!!!! IM JUST GONNA MESS IT UP AGAIN WHEN I GO BACK TO BED

[@theloneomega574]

Definitely held back by his dps mentality. Support can make big plays, but that is a secondary goal. The main goal of a support should be helping other players make big plays and only going for big plays yourself when the opportunity arises.

[@brycesweeting6148]

You should watch awkward. As support you should always go for big plays. Damage, damage, damage. Only heal when a player will die. Otherwise you're probably losing out on value, especially on characters with great kits like ana and bap

[@arhis1026]

​@@brycesweeting6148 the problem here is that his focus on dps actually makes his positionning bad. Agression on support is fine and you NEED to do damage or else you're just missing on value. But dpsing shouldn't put you in those bad positions so often

[@alexevell]

@@brycesweeting6148I love awkward’s mentality, and as much as he says to do damage he has incredible understanding of positioning and mechanics, so it isn’t always simple to apply, at least for me.

[@corrinnaoka745]

It’s like the opposite for me lmao.. im a GM support and a diamond dps. My positioning is too passive for dps

[@marmics96]

I am masters dps but stuck in dia with tank while grinding my mind out on tank. It just doesnt seem to work out and I have no idea what is even happening. Some games just feel so weird and you get so much more blame for losses on tank than on dps. People always complain about overextending and not going in enough at the same time, never know what they want.

[@jacobistrash7623]

Yea I’m masters dps and gn support but stuck in Diamond in tank idk why I swear I have to do everything perfect or my team just doesn’t pull there weight and We roll then a lot yet we still lose idk

[@wydtomato]

tank is 50% comms 25% gamesense 25% mechanics use this information how you wish

[@DumplingDoodle]

generally you need to be hyperaware of where your team is to perform well as tank. toxic people gonna be toxic, but you do gotta be able to know exactly when you can push and when you can't

[@padarousou]

@@wydtomato Most tanks (or players for that matter) dont use comms and still climb so this is false

[@wydtomato]

@@padarousouidk in my experience with climbing comming is a lot better than not lol bu tthat's probably because i just play a lot of winston

[@JUJU98347]

*One thing ive noticed in these series is that the GMs tend to target the person in ELO Hell. Not saying there actually good and belongs in GM. But in this video it was obvious that the plat supp was being targeted.*

[@Khanh-Tran]

yes, the weakest one is always targeted, especially when he has problems with his positioning any mistake is punished in that true HELL elo

[@Joedrops]

"man is saving nano for f-... overwatch pve" Jay3 saw it coming too

[@mdm5382]

Jay showing off his guns. He's got those Batiste muscles.

[@firstakuma4195]

I like how the unofficial motto for these videos is "WHY AM I CATCHING STRAYS?!??! WTF?!?"

[@jorjusmusic2303]

Lmao I tend to leave vc because 99% of the time people just start insulting, getting toxic and I can't focus on my game. I've learned with time to not only communicate through game commands, but also analyze my team and get in synch with them by thinking ahead of what will happen on any given situation. Honestly, when I play with friends and can communicate freely it's the most amazing thing in the world, everything feels so much easier😂

[@aaronsmith2044]

This is reminding me of my Reinhardt on Gibraltar game that I sent Flats. Feels like someone needs to be humbled.

[@Yubbeigh]

Bro Jay3 when we stacking harder than connect four?🍷🗿

[@kingresh8433]

15:00 waiting to see him react to that was intense.

[@DerpyScrub]

this guys main issue is playing support like a dps. on bap, he prioritized shooting the enemy rather than healing. he attempted to save lamp most often for himself and got stuck in situations where it would’ve been more winnable if he had lamped his teammates. he saves his ult for perfect situations which dont usually come, especially the ana nano. as kiriko, he needs to use cleanse more often and not be as frugal with his cooldowns. when playing lucio, hes way too overaggressive and finds himself in bad situations way too late. his callouts are alright but doesn’t completely follow them as he targets different heroes and does whatever on a whim. overall, i think his mechanical skill is diamond, overall ranking for support would be plat-diamond.

[@critshot4694]

Its always a little difficult at first to switch from DPS to Support mentality, as is beautifully shown here. Support requires a whole different set of positioning, new game sense and awareness that vastly differs from DPS'ing. Elo Hell? Nah, I think he is in a good place right now to gain the require sense and knowledge behind a high tier support player. I struggled with it a lot at the beginning, but then I dedicated entire seasons to support play and the difference... I saw clips of when I first started as support and now and you cant tell its the same player. The team does help a lot, I do want to add. I had teams where, as Jay said, everyone holds S while the tank fucks off to Narnia... But I also had teams who positioning just made healing so damn easy, they knew where I was, what lanes I'd be hold as Ana or even as Weaver, they knew when to break off engagements... All that said, He is a good player... not quite GM material, he has a lot of learning to do to swap mindset to support. I think if he watched some videos on a handful of Support heroes he might be interested in would be a good place to start, just to learn positioning and movement.

[@kane_howe138]

You should have 1 plat on each team I think that would be interesting

[@GriZzDaWG5150]

This guy deserves plat support

[@DumplingDoodle]

nah. diamond/masters probably, definitely not gm though.

[@kelpy_0]

Agreed. I think Jay’s support standards are low lol.

[@DumplingDoodle]

@@kelpy_0 as a plat, nah. this guy plays better than 99% of the supports i get matched with. that's not to say they're bad either, i actually tend to get lucky with my supports, but they're still plat, and do not play that well.

[@tstatts]

​@@DumplingDoodleAs a gm support who has an alt account in masters rn, definitely not masters. I'd say around diamond 4-3 with this gameplay. If he fixes his ability usage (or lack thereof) and positioning then he could probably push masters

[@emacliftsalot]

Tbh he is plat. Though he has the ability to climb if he just fixes the feeding. He has good initiations and mechanics a lot of the time, his problem is not wanting to play support how it has to be played at high elo. Also he was obviously nervous about when and what to do hence the ult holding

[@leog7782]

Agree he gets tunnel vision a lot

[@deadstar1920]

Elo hell doesn't exist. It took me 1 day to get my friends "hardstuck" platinum account to gm on tank and masters on dps. Most of time, its a mentality holding you back. Drop your ego, and focus on improving yourself. Some games are unwinnable, sure, but the games that you can make a difference in, you should be doing enough to win those. If you are not, then you are actually that rank. Consistency is also a huge part.

[@IBDennelly]

Hey! 300k! Congratulations Jay3!

[@wififrfx456]

Jay 3 going thru his black tank top Arc

[@krystofon]

Maan i really feel Keke ,this looks exactly like some of my games in gold... The teams were really not balanced by the way, you could just see him getting punished for every little mistake, but his team never capitalizing on enemys somehow... Also going against ball both games... They really wanted to give him hell...

[@leviuzumaki3903]

He’s good but I think he’s playing a bit to aggressive, as a support it’s good to be aggressive but it needs to be a controlled aggression if that makes sense, I can see why he likes playing lucio because he like being involved in the team fight and that’s what lucio is really good at but you can tell he really likes being aggressive. I don’t necessarily think ana fits his style but I could see him being a very good bap player and lucio player if he learns to just play a bit safer. But he’s very very good. Edit: I think if he made a different switch to counter the ball he would’ve done a lot better, for example if he would’ve went brig and focused on hard countering the ball and dive and forced them to switch their gameplan he would’ve also probably faired a lot better. But he still did play good!

[@praetorianplays]

def got nervous and reverted to his DPS roots. I'd wanna try this lol

[@shannoncraig9831]

Support was definitely the hardest for me to rank up

[@Alirezarz62]

Don't know why but it's always either the easiest or the hardest for the players to rank up support

[@Ethan-nl2wg]

@@Alirezarz62 it’s the easiest role to play but hardest to rank up in imo, also arguably the most stressful, you’re completely reliant on your team

[@Eadwulf_Skald]

​@@Alirezarz62 Agreed! I troll my way through QP and Comp but still end up with a lot of wins. It works for DPS and Support but not on tank.

[@padarousou]

Its tough because all you can do is be a good enabler for your team, but if your team cant get kills then there is almost nothing you can do

[@minimak9501]

i’m STUCK in gold as support, lw moira and mercy are my main picks and it’s so hard to play with randoms. tank pushes too far in so i can’t heal, i get targeted and i ping but teammates won’t help protect me. i’ll have 10k-15k heals or more most games i play. it’s super frustrating especially when NO ONE USES COMMS

[@jasonz.h31]

This is one of my flaws that I must fix (and everyone in reality) to reach GM as a masters player lol. Its hard to react to the agression of the enemy in time for me so in some cases I end up dying but im learning now. Reading the game is one of the things that you only see in GM, cause if you know that, then it means that you already play as a team, you are aware of your teammates and when they need help, and know when to use ults, wich in the other ranks playing like that is imposible lmao.

[@TartanOfficial]

I think the problem for good DPS players or DPS mains playing support is forgetting you are supposed to support. I have this issue when playing support is the need to just do damage and not pay attention to keeping my team alive.

[@sonderbain]

Reminds me of a game I played with a bap last night. Highest output heals in game yet he had lowest in match and our anna was doing all the work. I got potg as hanzo right after he said us dps needed to step it up 😂

[@MrKogarou]

Bap is often a DPS main's rage pick (esp. when they are playing support badly). Used to be zen, but bap has more mobility and self-sustain. I'd mention Moira but she can't headshot, so this sort of player often avoids her.

[@deadinside9744]

Potg isnt everything. You can suck 99% of the game and doing 1 good Thing ending up getting potg. That doesn't automatically mean you did really well..

[@Sapphic288]

Bap is all about damage and only heals when needed. And the same thing goes for Ana. They’re called supports not healers. You don’t want your healers to be healing bots. You want them to get kills as well. If you weren’t trash at the game you would know that.

[@joshuazhong2520]

As someone who hit masters playing mostly lucio/mercy/zen, I think his lucio aim is a bit sus, which can definitely matter. Also, he generally needs to boop more/sooner, like when he was getting rocked/bladed

[@gmpekk]

I’ve hit masters on all roles and my dps recently dropped to plat so I definitely kind of feel ELO hell a bit. Climbing back up has been very painful and I’m still not quite there just yet. As a dps minded support player support was actually my first to climb into master. If you can contest enemy dps and hold your own and defend your other support I think climbing is pretty easy for support. What I see in plat is supports running scared and not peeling for each other usually, bad positioning, and tons of staggering. What I’ve also noticed in plat is that staggering and not grouping up often wins team fights which makes no sense. As I go through each rank I notice the rules of the game change dramatically and you have to push way harder to get any sort of value. I also noticed in plat and Diamond people don’t listen to callouts at all even though they want you in VC. Most people are capable of broadcasting and playing simultaneously but can’t handle listening or actively observing what’s happening. What finally got me to masters dps the first time was keeping calm, not comming as much and observing more. When you observe more intently and identify what you personally can do to help the situation that goes a long way between Diamond and master. I also think there are multiple dimensions of each rank. On a fresh account with few hours in plat you still have a lot of newbies learning the game. They tend to be more open minded. When your account has hundreds of hours and you’re still in plat you get paired with a lot of similar people who are stuck and can’t get out and those lobbies are the hardest especially if you’re trying to win with comms because people already have a preconceived notion about how to win (even though they aren’t ranking up). I also run into a lot of hard throwing Reinhardts that literally W key from spawn on cooldown and touch enemy spawn 1v5ing for no reason. Lots of people throw in those ranks to keep their accounts low so they can play with friends and those games are hard to win.

[@lucaels1107]

as someone who has been stuck in plat for most of my ow career, i would think he would be around high diamond/low masters he does make a few mistakes but that is what happens when you go against people 3 ranks above you

[@esherOW]

Fair comment

[@KekeIsBestGirl]

I can almost guarantee you his issue is he’s playing like a Masters in Plat lobbies. When in Rome, do as the Romans would. Just babysit your plays no matter how stupid they play. I promise you’ll make it out within the week. - A M3 Ana Also idk if your name comes from the same place as mine. But if it does: Chad taste.

[@Khanh-Tran]

he wants to do everything on his own, as a support he has no faith in his teammates so he brought that playstyle to a gm lobby

[@e9ascension371]

He looked overwhelmed at some points and also like he needed to work more on balancing heals an damage

[@ilovelatinas3607]

when jay said he deserves this sr or wtvr he just needs to fix things is not the best way to say in cuz those things he needs to fix are the reasons he’s not gm like bronze can be gm they just need better aim and positioning?

[@izal4625]

I can understand what he's saying. Most teams in gold/plat aren't trustworthy. You need to play either premade or way more aggressive/dps-support than you'd normally do in higher ranks. Up to plat I played dps-Moira. Not like I'd only do damage but I'd let someone from my team die if I was sure I'd get 1, 2 or even 3 kills. I used my team as meatshields to get the enemy team killed because most of them can't handle Moira (I healed them just enough so they were focused on them instead of me, even tho I was the threat). In higher ranks I actually believed my team will get those kills, I don't need to do it all by myself but to make sure my team stays alive and gets opportunities to kill someone. You will know pretty fast when you need to be more aggressive after 1 or 2 min of the game, so you just need to change with that! I often played premade, half the time with another support and we won a lot - so it's not really about having a good tank or dps but just 1 good player other than you. (we had around 90% winrate throughout plat). Since he's already a good dps/tank and has good tracking, I let him do the dmg/flanking, so he often played Kiriko or Zen and I took on the healing part of the team and focused more on keeping the team alive (while of course looking out for easy targets). Teamplay from 2 good players can easily carry a game, you just need to figure out fast who will be your partner! Also I looove those videos! Playing with actual better people will let you improve so much faster and easily show on what you need to improve! :) I often 1v1'd/ffa'd with diamond to gm friends when I was back in gold and seldom played any dps. You will definitely learn the fastest like that because they will punish you directly for your mistakes. (But it can also be super frustrating since you are much worse xD)

[@padarousou]

"Lucio isn't fun to play Ana is the funnest support character" You got that backwards my dude 😂

[@addanashraf]

I think if people say that a certain ranked person deserves one rank up - they do not. Unless they deserve 2 ranks up, theyre probably not in elo hell

[@Dartnitt]

if they really deserved 2 ranks higher they would just get there no time, one rank is the only rational option because 500sr is not enough difference for you to hard carry lobbies so it would take longer to climb

[@plumpbussy]

​@@Dartnitt solo qing brought me from d2 was abt to hit masters on tank, s4 came and then i played with dogshit dia players who got ranked up and got down to p2

[@Dartnitt]

@@plumpbussy i mean thats just unlucky. I had lose streak in s3, from d2 i fell all the way to plat 4, i took a break and got back to d2 easily, then hit masters later. I realized I was just rage que'ing and it made me play worse. Just realistically, if you think you played with so many bad players, then they had to be on enemy team as well

[@plumpbussy]

@@Dartnitt yeah I started rage qing which just made my mental even worse lmao

[@plumpbussy]

@@Dartnitt actually 3 matches yesterday I went against gms who were playing on a different role and it was insanely unfair

[@SCHWEEN_]

One thing keke needs to work on with Lucio is to use amp more responsibility, he is using at the wrong times and for no reason a decent amount of the time

[@spedncoh8512]

The plat really came out on kings row as ana

[@LukeRosdahl]

To be fair about ult usage in lower ranks, if you use an ult and don't get play of the game with it in gold, you get flamed the rest of the game.

[@RareAmv]

Probably gonna play Devils advocate, i am also an ana main, i have been playing this game since 2018 straight, around 400 hours+ on ana. (Yes one trick). I have been (high) plat ever since. Since i didnt improve and barely scraped diamond in ow1 (e.g i believe my peak in ow1 in its final moments was 3080 sr), and diamond 5 in ow2. So I truly believe(d) that i was #platforever, which was fine by me, the games were not overly hard but just hard enough that i felt that i was not the one making a difference. Then queue season 3 in the final weeks, i suddenly went on a win streak and managed to climb to masters 5. The ofcourse the rank "reset" in s4 that aligns your mmr more with the rank shown put me in masters 3. Now i managed to get masters 2 after playing 15 or so games more. I have not changed my play style and have not become better in just a month... That said it is possible that the following could explain the reason behind my rankup: 1. My "way of playing" just wasnt well suited for the plat rank, which made climbing harder. That means however that i can't really adapt well enough to suit different levels of play styles. And by the changes to the ranking system being now more individually tailored it put me up higher where my play style is more common? 2. Rank inflation, more players means that the criteria for multiple rank "levels" are more spread out skill wise which i believe to be true anyway. I did notice however that now that i hit masters the games did become more fast pased and the mechanical skill of the players increased, for example due to my bad positioning (which i now notice more than ever) in plat against a hanzo i wouldnt die as often. Now as a plat habit i am still not really expecting a competent hanzo and thus take unnecessary position risks and then be surprised to be actually hit consistently by the enemy dps. So in that sense, yes rank inflation does propably exist but i feel like the players in masters now are still more difficult to play against than plat. And additionally I feel like master players are (maybe unconsciously) able to deal with my incompetent positioning/skills more effectively than plat players and thus somehow i feel a bit boosted/out of place in masters ... And that might also be a reason why i was able to climb a bit, more or less due to other competent players being able to cover my ass. I am however in a bit of a pinnacle where i managed to keep being masters onetricking ana but i feel completely incompetent playing other healers, which takes out the joy of playing competitive knowing/feeling like a liability playing anything else than ana if the situation requires it. Tl;dr: Anyhow something has definitely changed in Overwatch and i do feel that as a support that the people you play with affect how you perform as a support more than with other roles, up till a certain point ofcourse.

[@MarkusAT]

KZbin should have OW stats plugin. That gimmick could bring some outside interest in.

[@MrSonictheOtter]

His support was decent. Mechanics are good but he needs to learn support positioning. He died a lot

[@cerise_ow]

Alternate title: overwatch one silver thinks he’s in elo hell, so we put him against overwatch one diamonds

[@GetYourFactsStraight97]

Kings row game tank never peeled for his back line

[@rjkahan7573]

Zen is the most fun I have ever had on support

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

"I don't think Lucio is a very fun support character to play." 🤨

[@alexanderthegrape5641]

“I like Ana and Lucio” “wow he says he likes Ana then goes lucio”

[@lumputtaja4461]

I have the same positioning issue as this guy but reversed. I play a lot of ana and when I rarely play dps I just end up shooting the enemy from our backline and not doing anything.

[@M45T3RCH13F54]

Play snipers on dps. Widow and Ashe can be played the same as Ana

[@blackocean3364]

Sameee

[@Priinsu]

I'm silver 5 right now, I cant imagine being in any of the higher ELO's. Some of the silver lobbies I get into are absolutely insane. (From my perspective atleast)

[@morninggloryow]

Jay3 looking HUGE!!!!!!!

[@Chai_586]

That’s where the plat comes out lmao

[@paladin_playsxd]

honestly I think that second game he did let the pressure get to him but it really seemed like his team was just struggling in general with the enemy comp. I don't think it was exclusively the elo hell's fault

[@dakotawarren1303]

Im loving these videos

[@TiredGibbon]

Humble this man

[@Joedrops]

I think plat support is about right. He has the foundation to grow, but his positioning and target priority reveal the DPS bias.

[@sadiqurrahman564]

After years of watching on Twitch I can confirm KZbin is better than Twitch (I have never used Twitch in my life)

[@sierraj7480]

im in bronze spending 20-30, or even 40% of my time waiting for people to group up.this person doesnt know what elo hell is. id love to be in plat.

[@olivernewton8584]

Its definitely a real thing, I just made a new account and finding it hard to get out of plat on support. its a lottery with teammates and its normally a loss

[@crabbywhales4227]

Yo if you’re reading this, work on your mouse movement with Lucio! You can’t be looking down when you are trying to get higher, the roller blades will just bring you down

[@daleymatron]

I'm a support main and decided to try hard yesterday, I went from bronze 4, in 4 hours I reached gold 5🎉

[@tofu1639]

As a dps player who plays Ana and Kiriko I try to far but whenever my team needs it I move up to be right behind them so the heals don’t take for ever and it’s not that hard to hit

[@franco9990]

GM MATCH: HITSCANS GOES BBRRBRBRBRBRB ALSO GM MATCH: DOESNT PICK SOMBRA TO COUNTER HAMSTER

[@radioactivecookie]

He could be like me, having an old account and never made a smurf can give u some wacky lobbies. But he seems like a pretty consistent comp player. I went back to comp in ow2 after not playing it for years, mainly just arcade modes and qp, and it tried to put me in gold comp lobbies when i used to be diamond lmfao made me wanna smurf for the first time ever 😂 cant wait for the comp changes

[@dylanmartin5196]

This man really just ran past payload instead of pushing when his other support was already healing his team. Pulled 2 people out of the fight to push payload while he went in and died

[@krislillies8825]

Problem with platinum and under is how bad the average team is for the sense of comp knowledge, over extending, and the legendary "IM GOOD, YOUR BAD" mentality