This RC Almost KILLED Arrma! Nero Review & Traxxas Lawsuit Story!

Let's take a look at the Arrma Nero 1/8 Scale RC Basher and tell the story of how Traxxas Lawsuits have affected the hobby! Would this have been the best basher ever killing the Kraton and even the Sledge?

[@chickenfist1554]

Traxxarse aren't interested in the expansion or innovation of the industry, only in controlling it. Whilst I don't have a problem with any company protecting their patents, Traxxarse was doing it in a way to remove competition, not punish it. They sent a cease and desist notice to Mike at Taylor RC because his 5th scale engine manufacturing company was called RC Maxx. The 5th scale market isn't something that really affects Traxxarse or any other 'main' RC company. I do however have huge respect for Traxxas and their parts support. If the other RC companies put more time and effort into their parts support rather than discontinuing their models after 19 minutes, the industry would be in a better spot! Awesome video! :D

[@DoRC]

Yeah I always have mixed feelings about them as well. In one way they are one of the best companies in the industry but they don't really seem interested in the industry as a whole. Of course that's their right and companies are in business to make money so it's hard to be too mad at them and I'm still going to buy their trucks :-)

[@chickenfist1554]

@@DoRC Yeah I love my X-Maxx and still want a UDR lol

[@malsmith2012]

Well said. One thing I don't get with T brand is how they get away with charging the exorbitant amounts for the RC cars/trucks when they provide rubbish electronics, servo's especially , and the same transmitter for the past God knows how many years.. The other thing is the shortcomings a lot of their product seem to b sold with almost forcing the buyers to buy the EXPENSIVE upgrade bits it should have come with from the factory.. I'm a big fan of Corally for the fact you get an awesome product at pretty decent prices.

[@DoRC]

@@malsmith2012 Yeah I agree. I feel like Traxxas is almost becoming a legacy brand that has grown too big for its own good. Not saying they don't make good products because they do but I kind of feel like the industry is moving on a little bit

[@malsmith2012]

​@@DoRCWell said mate.. Love your channel too I've learnt a heap.. 👍

[@mikehansen9898]

Traxxas is the black eye of the industry. Protecting your IP is one thing. Crippling other companies and attacking a company in a completely different industry over a name is wild.

[@DoRC]

It does seem kind of ridiculous.

[@TimMcVey]

@@DoRC how about an acronym perhaps? WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) was sued and had to change their name from WWF (World Wrestling Federation) a name they had operated under for decades... Because the WWF (World Wildlife Fund) sued them. But Traxxas is the bad guy here... this is nothing new in the world. That's why patents and copyrights exist.

[@DoRC]

@@TimMcVey Well I think that two companies using the exact same name acronym could definitely be considered problematic More so than a TV and movie media company using a variation of a name from a toy model company for one of their channels. I also don't really think defending a valid patent is a bad thing necessarily but when a company patents something that has been common knowledge for decades it makes me feel a little less warm and fuzzy about it. That type of suspension not only had been used in full sized cars for a very long time but it'd even been used on RC cars for a while. Traxxas didn't come up with anything new they just took a design that already existed and patented it.

[@TimMcVey]

@@DoRC I agree with you completely. My point was, if they are going to issue patents and enforce them for acronums of names... and Traxxas holds a Patent on Maxx naming... I can see where they would go after that too.

[@Blimpus]

That diffbrain seems like a fantastic idea , that kind of control would be a blast to play with ! another really cool video my friend

[@DoRC]

Yeah it really does change the feel of the car. I would have liked to have seen it get developed into something a bit more durable with seal differentials which I'm sure they would have done had it not been killed.

[@Danimauled]

I really enjoy your take on RC. More from a technical/engineering and historical perspective, something I haven't found anywhere else on YT. Don't stop this format, it's a much needed departure from everyone else on KZbin. I appreciate the amount of effort you put into these types of videos and hope the more technical videos like these continue!

[@DoRC]

Glad you're enjoying the format I really like doing it!

[@SteveSchmied-vv1pt]

You always make the best videos! Very much appreciated!

[@DoRC]

Thanks Glad you enjoyed!

[@nickteele169]

Not just cuz I'm a fan of arrma, I think traxxas will look for a lawsuit if they feel threatened. Tamiya don't do bashers or anything significantly threatening to traxxas. So I feel like they won't flip that stone. Traxxas would just assume essentially own the industry. They are over priced and generally more fragile platforms. And it's interesting because the last fee years traxxas reaks of hypocrisy. They put out the sledge and that body is as close as you can get to mocking the shape of a kraton without throwing their own sticker over an arrma logo. I won't get into layout cuz hey its a truggy. I also feel like traxxas ignores the fact that every company needs competition. Also i liked this video. I think these kind of videos are refreshing and informative and great for newcomers to the hobby. Despite my griping about traxxas, i think a delve into their street sport line would be cool.

[@DoRC]

I'll definitely keep that in mind thanks for watching :-)

[@adrianharrison5208]

Tamiya as Company would also eat Traxxas alive

[@DoRC]

@@adrianharrison5208 possibly

[@maszkalman3676]

Yes needs a a competition but not their design copied.... and this car steals quite a bit from the summit's insides......

[@nickteele169]

@maszkalman3676 I'm not saying that isn't what happened here but I'm also not saying that it is what happened here. Arrma and many others have had cv center driveshafts. A hidden/protected battery tray(uncited) and a cantilever suspension ( that is not traxxas's invention) isn't worth saying they stole the summits insides. Traxxas indeed utilized all the above and beat anyone else to the patent finish line and being the greedy nervous hemroids traxxas are, they jumped the chance to try n take them down. Traxxas would just assume own the industry

[@jagergerg9771]

Great story, a very unique design for a RC, I’ve personally never seen a design like that. Keep doing more old school vids about RCs. I enjoy the history.

[@DoRC]

I really enjoyed making it I will definitely be making more in the future!

[@FYRC15]

Really like the information on older RC.

[@DoRC]

Thanks I really enjoyed making it!

[@twilliamrc4wd]

@@DoRC Do you got a ofna MBX PRO buggy

[@DoRC]

Sorry no I don't

[@FYRC15]

@@DoRC I just finished about a month ago completing my Mugen MBX5T nitro I raced 15 years ago. It’s so fun to restore them. Love the channel.

[@DoRC]

@@FYRC15 nice!

[@MegaDeth859]

Wow, being kind of new to electric RCs, I learned a lot in this video. That Nero does look really nice though.

[@DoRC]

It's a really fun car. I'm a little nervous to run it just because it is old and plastics get brittle but it's pretty cool for what it is.

[@BigDumbMeRC]

I think the battery box patent is wack. An innovation that should be universally used imo thanks for the cool video. Very informative

[@DoRC]

I don't really mind companies protecting their own unique ideas but it seems like at least some of the Traxxas patents certainly we're not based on unique ideas.

[@Batchat2352]

One of the drawbacks of it but im sure on the v2 or higher it would have become a top loader instead of a bottom one.

[@Macgyver46]

Traxxas seriously made me dislike them with the recent name lawsuits. Do I think they have 1 or 2 cool rigs sure, will I go out of my way to own one no way. Thankfully I don't have easy access to the brand anyway.

[@DoRC]

Yeah they've been at it for quite a while. I can definitely understand wanting to protect IP but I can also understand people not wanting to support them.

[@D.C.Johnson]

Excellent video! So interesting and very well done. Keep em coming.

[@DoRC]

Thanks Glad you enjoyed!

[@RoostedFilms]

Great video. Love the deep dive & all the info.

[@DoRC]

Glad you enjoyed I really had fun making it!

[@mitsuman5555]

Great video, I really enjoyed hearing about the history while seeing the insides of the truck. You outdid yourself on this one. As for Traxxas, last year I sold off every Traxxas I owned except for a TRX-4 I have sentimental attachment to. I'll never buy another vehicle from them.

[@DoRC]

I can definitely understand that standpoint. Glad you enjoyed :-)

[@josephbowman5590]

Been waiting for this one, excellent video as always!

[@DoRC]

Thanks Glad you enjoyed!

[@vsci79]

Excellent video and great details 👍🏽

[@DoRC]

Thanks for watching Glad you enjoyed!

[@jj78rcclub]

I got one of these almost new condition! Love it so much I don't want to wreck it. But lovely RC with cool features for sure!

[@DoRC]

Yeah I bought one that had some use on it already just for that very reason. I knew I was going to bash it and I didn't want to tear up a brand new one.

[@emorhc37]

Love me some Traxxas. I own 7 Traxxas vehicles and 2 Arrma. Got back into the hobby 20 something years ago with a Rustler, which still runs great to this day (upgrades and repairs, of course)

[@DoRC]

Yeah a lot of the cars they make are really cool

[@krispy7kremeyummy130]

It really is a miracle that ARRMA has survived to this day. And I love them for it. Traxxas is doing things to prevent other companies, especially new ones with innovative ideas and new ideology from partaking in the industry. After all, if you control an industry and have no real competitors, you can really do whatever you want including putting big price tags on their products. You're definitely getting more of your money's worth in individual parts when choosing ARRMA. Traxxas has a tendency to charge same or even more for similar scale vehicles as ARRMA even though they heavily rely on plastic.

[@DoRC]

I don't really mind the plastic as modern plastics are very good but Traxxas does seem to be increasing their prices beyond what everybody else is charging these days

[@fredboylstein8930]

Love old RC’s. Great vid!

[@DoRC]

Glad you enjoyed thanks for watching :-)

[@polizei16]

Great video! Love a little history

[@DoRC]

Thanks Glad you enjoyed!

[@RCenPLS]

Very interesting, thanks for all informations and research

[@DoRC]

You're welcome thanks for watching!

[@nathanwirth9906]

Their business practices really do prevent me from supporting their products!!! I bought a couple of their vehicles right when I started in RC but since I learned of their ways never again…..

[@DoRC]

I can definitely understand that standpoint.

[@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj]

Thanks for making this video more people need to know about traxxas past my self included

[@DoRC]

Yeah everybody's free to make their own decision on what to spend their money on but it is good to know all of the facts.

[@greenie43]

Nice informative vid!! 😎👍

[@DoRC]

Thanks Glad you enjoyed!

[@rawrc]

Exellent video as always👌....that locking diff would be kinda cool,use it on all kinda of different occasions...👍

[@DoRC]

It really is. I was surprised at how different the feel of the car was with the various options

[@Kimbrough187]

Great Great Great video! I have the big rock, and the nero... Favorite R/c of all time.

[@DoRC]

They definitely are awesome!

[@GeddyRC]

I only got into hobby RC a few years ago but it’s very interesting how much it changed in a short period of time from the 2000s and onward. That being said it feels like I got into RC at the perfect time.

[@DoRC]

Things have changed a bunch just in the last 10 years. It is much easier to get into the hobby now than it was a decade ago.

[@lyleburns2640]

I love that nero its a nice truck man great video keep up the great work bro

[@DoRC]

Yeah it's pretty fun!

[@valtycun879]

Now that was an awesome video

[@DoRC]

Thanks Glad you enjoyed!

[@steveosrc3082]

What an awesome RC car, I managed to get hold the big rock nero version but my tactics controller was dead on arrival, managed to rebind back up to noble 4 plus with local hobbyshops help. Such a fun truck to drive, ended putting the 1/7th BigRock tires on as the original tires had warped.

[@DoRC]

Nice! What did you use for selecting the different gears?

[@steveosrc3082]

@@DoRC the hobby shop set up. Lot of complicated mixing on 3 channels. One for central diff and a button few combos for front and rear. Abit above my head if I'm honest.

[@DoRC]

@steveosrc3082 interesting. Yeah I'm sure it's just four different positional set points that the diff brain translates into the outputs though you could probably just eliminate the diff brain if you had enough channel outputs and control each servo individually. Maybe something worth messing with for me.

[@steveosrc3082]

@@DoRC if I had to hazard a guess id say your pretty close. But the receiver I got in there only a 3 or 4 channel when you'd really want 6 channels. The mixing has been done on 3 channels. I was told it took a while to get right but I believe it's simulating what the tactics radio does.

[@steveosrc3082]

I believe this is how the original tactic radio operates as well only on 3 channels.

[@Grow.YT.Views.573]

Got me wathcing more videos 👀

[@jasondearden1394]

Centre steering was on a ton of Tamiya RC & classic 1/8 gas on road cars. In board suspension again Tamiya, the Revo is a scale up of Tamiya F1 (which also had centred steering). They used that suspension because real F1 cars use that layout. The RX is the same as many outdoor electrical boxes. The law used to be that wherever the patent was filed was where the case was fought, so awarding a dubious patent was a guarantee of future income.

[@JayTeeRC]

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[@DoRC]

Yeah that's pretty much my take on it as well.

[@RC-4-LIFE]

Great video! Can’t wait to see the next history lesson in old school RCs! It would be sweet if Traxxass lost the lawsuit and the Nero was allowed to evolve into something amazing for today’s fan of it! I’d love to have one just to look at it on the shelf! The way TraxxAss does business is probably the worst I’ve seen in just about ever! Expensive poor quality products and parts on high priced trucks is a slap in the face for the consumer!

[@DoRC]

They're actually not that bad when compared to a lot of other businesses in different industries but it is hard to feel good about them in this specific industry.

[@RC-4-LIFE]

@@DoRC I understand. It’s just that they claim to be the best and most innovative company but as you know they put cheap plastic servos in their 6s Maxx Slash and charge $700 for 8mm wheel nuts and false speeds right on the box! But in tiny letters write “With optional gearing” that they don’t sell and doesn’t quite fit right.

[@DoRC]

@RC-4-LIFE oh yeah I completely agree. They definitely have some scummy things that they do.

[@maszkalman3676]

@@RC-4-LIFE But they sell the optional gearing....

[@3SonsRC]

I HATE Traxxas Business practices within this hobby especially, it stifles innovation, and is motivated out of fear of competition.... Yet it is within their right to do so I get that. If I saw company taking ideas that I had come up with and patiented not sure how I'd react..... I don't like it but it's easy for me to say, I'm not Traxxas. So as a consumer I hate that there suing other companies I instead of allowing that competition to FORCE THEM to be be better and innovate! Regardless I still love my XMaxx, my Maxx, and there are some other cool things there doing. Yes now Days it takes them YEARS to hear the complaints of the consumer and react quicker like Corally and Arrma do, SO it's kinda like being fan of a sports team and some of their PLAYERS, even when some of those players do some reprehensible thing. Those things they don't don't FORCE me to avoid them directly and I do appreciate some of the good they do.... But I will definitely talk some smack when it comes to Traxxa$$😂

[@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj]

Yeah I would have loved to see what arrma would have done with this platform

[@DoRC]

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I really wish they weren't so litigious but it's not going to stop me from buying their trucks :-)

[@DoRC]

@@RcSpeedFreak-kk8wj For sure. It started out really strong and I can't imagine what it would be today.

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Most those patents are NOT there inventions , they were like all of us sharing and taking ideas , while buying” the patents behind the scenes . Benedict Arnold comes to mind idk why 😂

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Like arrma suing duperbash for T2T brace if he had his own company. They wouldn’t do that because Jason is a decent guy .

[@GreatLakesRC]

I had the green body version without the diff brain. They put them on a crazy sale during the lawsuit. I guess they saw the writing on the wall and sold them while they could. It was a fun car and very innovative! I think the lawsuit has really stifled innovation in RC. Traxxas thinks they are protecting their interests, but all they are doing is making people hate them.

[@DoRC]

Well they're probably doing both.

[@Batchat2352]

Mine have the oil mod. Plugged the holes. Dam the thing is a beast. I cant bash it too hard because its very nose heavy and the bodies are not made anymore... the rest of the parts are luckily. The diffs are 1.5mod vs mod 1 on the current 6s vehicles. I had issues with the spur bushing wering down. Replaced it by a flanged bearing so far so good. You can drill the skid plates to get 40-50% more suspension travel. i 3d printed skinned spring perches also, a weak point of the nero was the rod end twisting because of the angle they are being pullet at. Also put kraton front spring I believe. So issues with the car was not enough ground clearence when the car has more to offer, spur bushing, shock tune, grease limited diffs unless you plug them with screws and the bodies

[@DoRC]

Sounds like a pretty sweet setup!

[@rcsmith5909]

I do agree that is a shame that that truck had to be taken off the market because they didn’t follow the patent law. That truck would be completely awesome today like you said fifth generation EXB 🤯

[@DoRC]

Yeah who knows how awesome it is in some alternate universe.

[@wasa7]

I’ve only been back in the hobby a few years so a bit of middle history is cool.

[@DoRC]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@xXYannuschXx]

A huge chunk of the patents Traxxas owns are designs that have been in use for a very long time already or are extremely generalized; they shouldnt have gotten them in the first place. Pushrod suspension, central steering arms, or o-rings to seal boxes are age old inventions. Traxxas goal isnt to protect themselves, but to shoot down any possible competition; this behaviour even has a name: "patent trolling". They dont even expect to win in court, often the goal is just to destroy the competition with years of cease and desist orders. The problem is that they somehow even get these patents registered. Funnily enough these types of patents arent even recognized by the EU in some cases. For an example: Asetek was the sole producer of all in one watercooling devices for a long time, due to a patent on putting the pump and cooler plate in the same housing. When a European manufacturer stepped in they tried to sue them. The European court simply said: thats such a generalized patent that we wont recognize it.

[@DoRC]

Yeah this feels very similar to the asetek thing. Patenting a already well-known or pretty broad concept just to prevent other people from competing feels like it's only good for the company doing it.

[@thatsmyrc]

Man I loved mine and still miss it.

[@DoRC]

You should get another one! They are still reasonably available on the used market and parts are still purchasable from horizon.

[@dylanwhite6539]

I’ve kinda been on both sides of the coin with this. I was a massive fan of arrma back in the day. 2012 when the first generation 2wds were all the rage. It was my second hobby grade RC, and my first was a ruckus monster truck. The diff failed in the ruckus and I had a lot of issues with it in general. So the raider was a massive upgrade for me. I made it brushless and arrma still honored the warranty period. Even replaced a set of tires. Ended up being my only RC until the blx85 granite came out, which I believe was around the same time as this. Those cars were terrible. The gearbox switched to larger 32 but composite gears, which were absolutely not up to the brushless power train. On top of that the escs had a pretty high defect rate, and the metals they used for the dog bones and out drives had been reduced in quality so they bent far easier and the cups wore much faster. A substantial drop in quality, and it’s honestly disrespectful that arrma was willing to ship such a poorly designed product. What made it even worse is that while the gearbox had provisions for allowing the upgrade to the old style metal gears, there was too much slack in the gearbox which caused those to strip, so you basically had to upgrade to last years gearbox entirely to made those trucks even remotely usable. At that time the aftermarket was basically non existent too, so you had to rely on arrma for everything. I’ll give them credit for at least sending me out two sets of gears when mine failed, but all they had to do was make a metal 32p set to truly fix the issue. They already made a metal input gear exclusive to the blx model but not the brushed ones. What made this all even worse for me was the community. When I was airing my complains about these design flaws, the community just bullied me for being too poor to buy a 6s, and I was a teenager at the time. For me, the brand and community that brought me into RC had turned their back on me completely, so I traded that blx85 granite for a rustler, and I was blown away with how much more reliable it was. Sure, it did have some weak points, but I was able to go several months between failures instead of at most 10 packs with the arrma. And everytime I broke something on the rustler, there were like 5 different brands selling an upgrade for that part. They also truly fixed the issue most of the time. Aluminum caster blocks never failed, rrp idler never failed etc. So I became a pretty big traxxas fan for a while. I try to be more neutral now, but even still I can’t help but feel like arrma just got karma on this one. They screwed over an intermediate crowd with the blx85 trucks, and they did violate patents so they kinda had it coming. And I have tried multiple times over to give arrma another chance. Big rock 3s, had mine for two years, loved it, but I still had to pour money into that thing to keep it running. New slipper every six months at most, 80+ on steel ring and pinion gears because plastic is still not good enough for brushless power, steel spur for the slipper heat issues. It was just too much. When I finally broke a driveshaft I bought their “upgrade” ones and those broke basically immediately. Shoutout to amain hobbies on that one though, left a one star review on the product and they gave me a $50 store credit. Despite liking the car, I just felt like I was going to be working on it forever. The new 4s trucks seem like the most promising of all their trucks, I would go as far as to say they’re probably a better deal than the maxx, but that’s more because the maxx is overpriced as hell. I even tried the granite grom when it came out because it advertised all metal gears yet again, and I thought surely the internals would be metal because every brand has had metal diff internals that I’ve seen. Even Amazon cars do. But no, plastic, which did fail. So now the granite grom is just another ARRMA paperweight while they work on sending me diffs. I even tried a typhon because a friend convinced me to buy one. I didn’t have any gear issues this time, but the motor was getting scorching hot on stock gearing and moderate temps outside (75f), the battery and motor cooling options where severely limited because of the body, and those stupid motor mount screws stripped. And I did end up bending a tower. Pretty sure I would kill a kraton 6s in a month if I just ran it out of the box without doing any maintenance or precautions. Not to say traxxas is perfect. I’ve killed far too many 1200xl motors than is reasonable, and a couple vxl 6s escs, but overall I’ve had a far lower defect rate with anything from traxxas than arrma. Traxxas imo nails their cars but their electronics can fall a bit short with some models.

[@DoRC]

Yeah I think as far as durability it just depends on the personal experience. Some people swear by Traxxas and some people swear by Arrma. Personally I've owned just about every car that's been made in the last 20 years and I think both companies have made really good cars and both companies have had some stinkers.

[@TimMcVey]

Wow. That was a refreshing, inciteful, and well thought out, logic based reply. Great job. I wish I didn't have to comment on post like that though... the world we live in currently, i miss the earlier days of the internet and posts like this. Instead of the Twitter length short fuse Tik-Tok drive my brand is better than your brand diatribes. I feel you on the community comment... I've seen pretty much the entire spectrum of good to bad in the year since I got into this. Dead serious, never really thought about the make up of my collection to this point. I buy based on many factors. Price. Parts supply. etc... I bought a 2WD Slash as my first purchase. Largely based on those two factors. No regrets. I can walk into most any hobbby shop that sells RCs cars, and pickup what I need for my RCs, off the shelf. This was a driving factor... but I'm not dead locked on anything. I mean on one hand... the parts selection, availability and even 3rd party part selections are outstanding. But, is it a good thing that you have all these options, or a bad things that you NEED many of these options? I can tip either way... I guess I have thought of at least one aspect of my collections makeup... myself and some of my closest friends started with the 2WD Slash. I have 2 friends that are kinda "locked into the Traxxas ecosystem" as they called it. In their eyes, it makes the most sense, because collectively as a group... wherever we are at running our RCs... if a 2WD Slash breaks, chances are, one of us will have the spare replacement part needed in our toolbox... and we swap it and keep going. If it's a 4WD Slash, your odds drop to about 20% assuming it's a dedicated 4 drive part... if it's another brand or company... the odds are, you are done running till you get replacements from the hobby shop or get an online order placed. For two of main friends, their story ends there. Traxxas, beginning, middle, end... for now. ;) I own 8 RCs. 5 Traxxas, 2 LOSI, 1 Gmade. A further breakdown, of the 8, 5 are more of a anything, anywhere, any time type RC. Of those 5, 3 are 2WD, 2 are 4WD, ther other 3 are most specific. 2WD No prep drag racer, 4WD crawler, and a 4WD Nitro. 7 Electric, 1 nitro. So why is my collection so more divvergent then the 2 all in Traxxas guys? I want to try different brands, different categories etc.... I'm not sure what type, I like best yet, let alone what brand. I DO really want to acquire an Aarma, and a Team Associated. To get hands on with the different brands, build qualites etc... Traxxas, Aarma, LOSI, Associated are the big 4 brands available in the 3 closest drive RC shops. I want to experience others as well, and I am sure I will with time. At some point I have to experience building a kit. Out of my 8 RCs, all 8 are RTR based... More specifically the legend of Tamiya, I want to experience a Tamiya kit build. But I also won't go buy an Aarma, Associated, or Tamiya (or oither kit) to check off my imaginary check list. It's up to the company to sell me a product. Not for me to just buy an Aarma or whatever to check off list saying I own an Aarma. On top of that, it needs to pffer me something different than the 8 current RCs in my collection. I don't need a 4WD Slash and a 4WD Senton both in my collection. I need to the one that best covers my needs. I am trying to at least sample the current RC buffet... before I settle into any sort of routine of always eating my favorite foods, and ignore everything else. If that makes sense. Redcat is another fairly abundant brand in my vicinity. If i'm being honest, their catalog is probably offering me a more unique experience than many other companies. They have a relatively inexpensive crawler... that's high up, my list to potentially add. It has portal axles, 4 wheel steering and dig functionality, all features nothing in my current collection offers. And it's under $200 it's definitely got my attention. I don't really NEED two crawlers... but an argument could definitely be made that my current Gmade is more scale trail truck than pure crawler... so that door is open...

[@dylanwhite6539]

@@TimMcVey if you want a big basher, get the redcat machete. That thing is BEEFY. It’s a very low and stable RC, it might be a nice departure from the traxxas models you have now. I personally had a redcat shredder a couple years ago and despite buying a Xmaxx shortly afterwards, I ran both until the center diff gave out a little more than a year after purchase. The machete is a complete reengineering of the platform, and isn’t plagued by the same issues. The diffs are basically Xmaxx sized, in a nearly Xmaxx sized vehicle but weighs several pounds less. The 1/6 scale can be a little deceiving though. It’s 1/6 scale if you call the Xmaxx and xrt 1/5th scale. However traxxas doesn’t consider them to be 1/5, they consider them 1/6 and 1/5th is the realm of the losi gassers and whatever that $4000 bastard is. ARRMA on the other hand considered x truck scale to be 1/5th. It is slightly shorter and wider than the old shredder, and slightly smaller tires. Other than the tires, I think those are all good changes. As far as crawlers, I’d recommend you get something that can accept a hitch if you have any interest in boats as well. I am dying to get my hands on the traxxas boat trailer for my tfl genesis

[@madwrencher1069]

awesome very informative vid. Awesome actually bashing a rare truck

[@DoRC]

I was planning on taking it off the big ramp if it hadn't broken prematurely :-)

[@troycutsforth9234]

Great video. I have traxxas RC's and think they do put out a good product but don't really seem like they want the hobby to advance very much. They seem to want to control what is available. And like you said where would the Nero and arrma be now if the lawsuit never happened. Anyway great video and keep up the good work.

[@DoRC]

Yeah I would love to see an alternate universe where the Nero wasn't killed. I bet it would be awesome now

[@rcsmith5909]

Great video man. I haven’t seen it run yet, but it looks and sounds like an awesome truck like a kick ass summit. I don’t let all that lawsuit shit bother me. I could care less whoever puts out the best product. I’m gonna buy it.

[@DoRC]

I would say the lawsuit stuff does bother me but it doesn't stop me from buying their cars :-)

[@Nerm78]

Great video and info. I always wanted to find one of those in good shape just to have for the history of it. I always use shoe goo and drywall tape. The stuff you used seemed to do a lot cleaner job. I didn't catch what adhesive you said you used. What is it?

[@DoRC]

I used cement board tape which is very similar to drywall tape but has better adhesive and e6000 which is almost identical to shoe goo. The clean job is just because I've done a ton of these in the past and I've got a lot of practice at it. Also getting some ID card blanks or old gift cards to spread the adhesive really helps!

[@Nerm78]

@DoRC I need to give the e6000 a try. Maybe the shoe goo I have is old or something because it always get globs in it that won't smooth out. Thanks for replying so quick!

[@TheUnknown714]

I love Traxxas products, but I really hate their history of excessive lawsuits. I got into the hobby back in 2019....years after the Arrma Fazon came out. I saw a video of the Fazon on KZbin and went to my local hobbytown to try and see if it can be ordered....sad day for me when the guys told me Traxxas made sure no one can buy that car brand new at any hobby store.

[@DoRC]

I would definitely recommend trying to get a used one. They are pretty fun!

[@hamsterwolf]

Well I see why many Arrma guys hate Traxxas this definitely looks like one of those "never forget" moments. Traxxas shouldn't get to patent simple existing technology just cause they put it on a toy car.

[@DoRC]

I feel the same way. I think once something has been out that long and is ubiquitous technology it shouldn't be patentable even if you're using it in a different application. But I'm not the one that reviewed the patent

[@maszkalman3676]

Yeah they shoudl just wait until soemone else copyright it riight?????

[@hamsterwolf]

@@maszkalman3676so by that logic it makes it ok for Traxxas to sue the shit out of everyone over stuff they didn't come up with?

[@n00b247]

Ugly toad sued even uglier viper. I really don't care if Traxxas or Arrma will go under (and I do miss my Duratrax), but it's hilarious that RC manufacturers are patenting obvious and copypasted over10-20 years des0igns like lay-down shocks. Also for 10:42 please check out x-ray nt1 1/10 TC rear hub.

[@DoRC]

Well to be fair the patent was for that style on a model car which could be argued to be valid but I don't think it's good for the hobby.

[@DutchRc010]

Nice video😮👌🏼

[@DoRC]

Thanks Glad you enjoyed!

[@tylermatthews6130]

When I first got into rc I was OBSESSED with Traxxas a name brand, simply because their vehicles looked to be so much more advanced than any other company that I had bought from previously. But after trying 1 or 2 of their vehicles, and also trying out a Losi, Team Associated, Arrma, and Axial, I realized that Traxxas wasn't any more bang for the buck than the others in terms of features and durability to price ratio. Imo Traxxas is way overpriced for what they give you. And after the latest lawsuits, I've grown really disenchanted with them.

[@DoRC]

These days their prices are higher than just about everybody else.

[@dylanwhite6539]

I buy a lot of Traxxas cars, but I think I might buy more used than I do new. There are some crazy deals on traxxas cars used out there. $650 mint condition Xmaxx and $250 slash ultimate just in need of some tire glue are some of the best deals I’ve gotten. The $350 hoss with a max8 combo and GTR shocks also wasn’t bad either. So far I think the only brand new traxxas cars I’ve bought where the erevo back when it was $580, the xrt when it was brand new (I regret that but it was a birthday gift to myself) and the TRX4m at launch. The erevo is by far my best purchase. Still on the original stub axles somehow.

[@DoRC]

Used RC cars in general really don't hold their value. As long as you're careful you can definitely get some good deals out there!

[@Batchat2352]

The motor on the neros are crazy strong. Never seen a motor with such strong magnets. It takes quite a bit of force to make it spin.

[@DoRC]

It does have quite a bit of magnetic friction but keep in mind that doesn't inherently translate to motor power.

[@Batchat2352]

@@DoRC car is heavier than modern arrma 6s and they heat up less.

[@DoRC]

@@Batchat2352 Yeah I'm not saying that the motor isn't good I'm just saying that the amount of magnetic resistance you feel is not an indication of how good the motor is.

[@gillyboyNY]

Great video. It really makes me hate Traxxas. They’re out for their own only, not for the growth of the hobby. They’re the Gibson of the RC world. They should change their name to Tyrrant, “First Name in RC Litigation” (because our cars can’t compete with Arrma stock vehicles.)

[@DoRC]

By Gibson are you referring to guitars?

[@gillyboyNY]

@@DoRC yup. They have been suing me other manufacturers historically. Especially, if they get close to the headstock designs on a Les Paul.

[@SavedbyGraceAlone84]

What's funny is that I'm just getting into the hobby. Haven't even bought my first car yet, doing my research. One thing that is consistent in my research is that regardless of the quality of their cars, Traxxas will not be seeing any of my money. Too many stories like this.

[@DoRC]

Seems like a reasonable standpoint.

[@andyb9994]

Im not a Arrma fan but i would like to have a Nero!! just for the fact of not many of them out there!!!

[@DoRC]

Keep an eye on your local Facebook marketplace listings. They come up from time to time around me so they are available. If you get one get one with the diff brain though. It's what makes this thing really unique!

[@andyb9994]

@@DoRC I will definitely keep my eye open, and they do look like a cool R/C also...your review and tear down was awesome on it!!!!

[@Timritchieblue12]

I had a greeen one. Cool video

[@DoRC]

Yeah the green ones didn't have the diff brain. If you ever get a chance to get one with a diff brain I recommend it! They're pretty fun.

[@OmniMan_Racing]

RC lore video 👍

[@DoRC]

It was fun to make :-)

[@cinemastance]

awsome RC

[@DoRC]

Yeah it is!

[@cannibal666]

Almost bought one it was out of stock when i wanted one 👍 dam missed out 👍

[@DoRC]

You can still get used ones reasonably inexpensively from time to time. Check your local Facebook marketplace.

[@nathan2000100]

Makes me think about how power/greed is so prevalent in every aspect of Humanity

[@DoRC]

It is one of the main driving forces.

[@StevenYDG69]

Had a couple of them back in the day. The collector in me makes me wish I had kept the one I had sealed the box I sold awhile back 🥴

[@DoRC]

Yeah they're pretty cool. You can still get them sealed on eBay occasionally but you're going to pay for it for sure

[@theRCLlama]

Really cool RC

[@DoRC]

Yeah it's a lot of fun!

[@theRCLlama]

I have to be honest I never heard of it before this video but that lay back design for the shocks is friggin sweet.

[@DoRC]

For sure. There are a lot of unique details on this vehicle.

[@doityourselfrcdrew6807]

Great video! Companies ha have the right to patent their products and defend their products but they can also do it in a manner which helps the hobby, not control or hurt it! That’s why I will never own a TraxxAss vehicle! Well that and the fact they charge a lot more for less quality trucks! Probably need the extra money to pay their lawyers! They don’t own the word Max yet try and sue anyone using it! Can’t imagine how many lawsuits they have out on dog owners as “Max” is a common dog name!😂 Very informative video my friend! I knew about the shock mount lawsuit but not the steering one!

[@DoRC]

I still buy Traxxas vehicles but I can definitely understand why someone wouldn't want to.

[@MagnifiedGiant]

You may be one of the most upset people that I have seen over a toy company.

[@Ayrton_Groesbeck]

Traxxas is dookie

[@RC-4-LIFE]

@@MagnifiedGiant Read the comments! He’s not the only one! It’s companies like TraxxAss that keep the hobby at a standstill and anyone who can’t see that is ignorant or just has blinders on!

[@MagnifiedGiant]

@@RC-4-LIFE Lol. Hey captain obvious, of course other people have issues with Traxxas. The Guy that I am talking about posts in every Traxxas thread known to mankind about how much he hates Traxxas. It is a little weird and I don't know why someone would act like that. Possibly a paid shill or just a person with a weird fetish. So that went over your head because your post indicates you didn't know that. Traxxas is not keeping the hobby at a stand still. Tons of other RC's and new innovations are happening all the time. You are a bit hyperbolic on your claim.

[@JacobScherer]

Should have brought up the Schumacher Top Cat. 2wd buggy from the 80's with cantilever suspension. How that wasn't successfully argued as prior art to nullify the patent, I have no clue...

[@DoRC]

Yeah I figured there were other examples. That one was before my time in the hobby so I wasn't aware of it but it's definitely a good one!

[@Luke-en2tk]

I think Hobbico's Vattera brand had issues first with the Twin Hammers which had an inboard shock cantilever system as well. I remember selling it in my shop and just being told they were being sued over the inboard shock design which at the time I thought it was some sort of joke. At the time it wasn't common knowledge, at least initially we weren't told by whom

[@DoRC]

Entirely possible. I didn't see it as part of the lawsuit I was researching but there's a lot of information out there that I'm sure I missed.

[@Luke-en2tk]

@@DoRC yeah of course I couldn't believe the amount of patents they file and have filed 😲. The Vattera Twin Hammers came out in 2013 according to information I could find, says Nero was 2015. I knew about the HBO Max now called Max case but hadn't heard they had tried previously tried to sue Amazon as well. I would love for someone to sue them and win the once just enough to teach them a lesson

[@DoRC]

@Luke-en2tk yep That sounds about right.

[@Batchat2352]

Arrma needs to being the nero back. My nero is a v2 by how i modified it with some basic 3d printed parts and tune up. But if the nero still existed it would be next to the kraton in terms of performence and probably sales

[@DoRC]

Yeah I'd love to live in an alternate universe where it hadn't gotten killed. It would be cool to see where it is now.

[@charlesb7831]

These were all the reasons we stopped buying Traxxas. My wife has a mint condition Nero, I keep trying to get it off her and it's not happening lol. I offered her my hopped up Xmaxx and she said no lol. I went back to buying Kyosho, Associated and waiting for re-release versions of Losi cars and trucks lol

[@DoRC]

Well maybe she'll let you use it one day :-)

[@kevinwalker7102]

I have a brand new Nero & Fazon in the box. Not sure why I'm keeping them? Probably going to put them on ebay. They are cool, very heavy tho!

[@DoRC]

That's awesome I want one!

[@Turtlefry]

Nah, I'll continue to buy whatever product from Traxxas I like. Their support is excellent, products are generally good, selection is good, aftermarket access is beyond fantastic, and resell value is much higher than most other RC companies. Other companies can choose to innovate and/or not infringe on IP. If we don't respect that, we aren't any better than China. With that said, Arrma makes excellent products. I also feel Arrma has a better price to performance value. I own several Traxxas and Arrma trucks. I have fun with both and break both.

[@DoRC]

To some degree I feel the same way. I don't necessarily think Traxxas should have gotten the patent on the suspension because it was a pretty commonly known technology but they did have the patent and Arrma definitely did infringe on that patent.

[@babupranav]

Still regret not picking one up during the firesal 😢

[@DoRC]

You can still get them relatively inexpensively. I'd say it's worth picking up one if you can find it at a reasonable deal. It's pretty cool.

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Same

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

I always see ones without diff brain 🧠

[@DoRC]

@@RcPlayer-tt2vw Yeah unfortunately those are pretty common. If you look for the faison or Big Rock as far as I know they all had it.

[@L2theWcarscoffeelife]

I asked my rep at Team Corally why the receiver box was not waterproof he said Traxxas had a patent, like you mentioned it is a bit different because of the wire holder. Evey car has a valve cover that has a gasket to keep oil in the way I see it a rubber seal on a lid screws to a box is not unique its done in many industries. As far as patents they are only good for so many years thats how we get generic drugs and why the havent sued for the shocks. I know the owner of one of the companies that got a cease and desist so the letter is for real. Interesting look at this rc I had no Idea it even existed but I just got back in 2 years ago the last rc I had was the Clod Buster back in 87 when it came out I am lucky I have the illegal one with the Chevy Bowtie grill and Chevrolet Tailgate because Tamiya got sued for that lol.

[@DoRC]

Yeah the cease and desist letters were real they just were not intentional according to Traxxas.

[@rickhenson-ct7bc]

My next buy will be an arma Grom 🤘

[@DoRC]

Which one are you going to get?

[@zchamberlain710]

Don’t forget the Ofna DM1

[@DoRC]

Nice catch! I wasn't aware of that model but that's an even better example.

[@JonathanPARADIS-nb5bw]

Something you didn't mention was that they took the "Revo" name and changed one letter. That can lead to buyer confusion say like when a parent is buying the RC as a gift for their child.

[@DoRC]

Honestly I didn't even make the connection. I wonder if that was on purpose.

[@RC4us]

i had one for awhile very cool and very heavy i found out really fast why i dont run rc with locked diffs cool feature and idea but personally wouldve rather had sealed open diffs

[@DoRC]

I think the locked diff option is a great idea and I would have loved to have seen it evolve into a stronger design with sealed fluid filled differentials as well. The different options really do change the handling of the car and that's cool.

[@RC4us]

@@DoRC it does change it alot wheelie mode is a beast

[@raquelsroom]

Let's not forget Traxxas tried suing max cable and maclan for the mmax esc 😅

[@DoRC]

Yep that's at the end of the video :-)

[@peterGriffin-ug7jv]

What about dodge trx trucks will traxxas sue?

[@boduke9428]

Did you recently buy this off eBay? I was bidding on one there that was in equally great shape. Looks like a great rig. I was still a Traxxas fan boy back when this was built. Luckily I finally tried other brands and saw the light. I do hate Traxxas the business but I'm more just disappointed in the company. Burying and safe

[@DoRC]

No I got it a couple months ago off marketplace.

[@Ayrton_Groesbeck]

The Nero is the most innovative rc I've ever seen, I really like the diff brain setup, wish Arrma would find a way to include that in future cars. I have a Traxxas Summit, it's ok at best. The Summit can't handle 6s power, it's a pain in the butt to work on, and it's got some very questionable design features that suck really bad. Iv'e ended up doing the LT conversion on my Summit to have fun with it.

[@DoRC]

Absolutely. The Nero is far superior to the summit for a basher

[@Spagyr]

Can’t stand working on that platform

[@DoRC]

Yeah I love the E-Revo 2.0 just as a vehicle but I won't own one again because of how annoying they are to work on.

[@Spagyr]

@@DoRC the only thing worse to work on was the 1/16 e revo haha

[@DoRC]

@jamescampbell2692 yep. Absolutely awful

[@user-dw3id3sc2u]

I only have a handful of traxxas rigs. A few other companies. My collection consists of many many arrmas 👍

[@DoRC]

They do make good trucks!

[@jasonluther7481]

I bought one of their trucks. Before I knew about the lawsuit and after I had bought a Kraton V2. I couldn’t believe the lack in quality $425 for a toy grade RC that would not do anything near the claim on the box. I haven’t looked seriously at one since.

[@DoRC]

Some other stuff is really good but like any brand they do have some misses.

[@justindunnuck3895]

Actually this only makes me understand why traxxas did what they did. Never realized the Nero took so much from the summit/revo. Unfortunately a patent is what it is and if there is one on something and you use it and get caught then that’s an issue. You have to protect your own name. I use both brands and others too. All I’m saying is I get it.

[@DoRC]

I could definitely understand Traxxas protecting their patents. The part that I don't agree with is getting the patent for the suspension in the first place. I was based on a design That had been around for a long time. Traxxas didn't really come up with anything new they just adapted something that already existed and made it smaller.

[@maszkalman3676]

@@DoRC Well iworte in another comment but here we are again traxxas made a miniature working version of it that wasn't cheap to engineer....

[@DoRC]

@@maszkalman3676 That's fine but they didn't create a new idea. Patents are designed to protect ideas not different sizes of things. Nothing about the suspension in the Revo was new. It's a shock a pushrod and a bell crank. Those three parts in that configuration had already existed for a very long time. All they did was make them smaller.

[@maszkalman3676]

@@DoRC And you thing minimizing things are easy or cheap??? Look up how much mnoey was to downsize computer parts just to the quarter of their room sized original...

[@DoRC]

Ok. Thanks for your feedback :-)

[@watsonira7]

I loved my gold pan RC10. We used to make fun of Traxxas for copying TA and Tamiya. I got out of the hobby for three decades. It's weird how the rights and infringements worked out in the long run. Thirty years ago I would have thought TA would be the top dog by now.

[@DoRC]

Things have definitely shifted a bit in the last 30 years! Are you getting back into it?

[@AsurasWrath164]

There's also the thing that when Traxxas sued, court was held on their turf in Texas. And since 2-3 years thats not longer possible. i have not heard of any claim against a major competitor since then. I wouldn't find it far fetched to think that traxxas bribed their local judge and technical experts because they won way to easy. Some of these patents are just ridicoulus. Traxxas also sued Horizon Hobby over the cantilever shock layout of the Vaterra Twin Hammers.

[@DoRC]

Oh yeah I had that in my notes but forgot to mention in the video. Good catch

[@Hungrybird474]

That’s interesting ! What a shame things work like that .

[@TimMcVey]

Seriously? You think Traxxas would have had to bribed somebody in Texas? Some the shadiest stuff in politics, or law... seem to come from TX or FL. Bribes in TX? Oil *cough* George Bush *cough* bribes... Every state crafts laws to protect that states best interests and financial assets.

[@AllInRc1971]

Another good title for this video would be "How this Traxxas Lawsuit Made Arrma What It Is Today"

[@DoRC]

That's true :-)

[@TheCoolStuffHD]

I no longer buy Traxxas stuff especially after that whole drama of them sending out cease and desists and lawsuits to small companies that were making super cool upgrades for the TRX4M. Like others have said, they are not interested in innovation and expansion of the hobby, they are interested in controlling it and removing competition. Arrma will always be my go to brand.

[@DoRC]

Well as far as I know the cease and desist thing was an overreach by a third party that tracks is hired and wasn't traxxas's intent but that's just what they said so...

[@tjkj-om9oi]

They also sued Taylor RC which was formally known as RC Max which deal only in 1/5 scale gas. They do not make any products for anything traxxas makes but got mad over the "max" in their name just like they did with HBO. Sadly my first hobby grade RC was a traxxas nitro hawk but I have never owned another traxxas in over 30 years and never plan to with their business practices.

[@DoRC]

Yeah I figured there were more examples.

[@RinkaiKouen]

Without the body it really looks like some part of the T700 terminator. What is the tape you used to reinforce the body?

[@RinkaiKouen]

I understood it's E6000 tape, which I cannot find here, but do you apply cement on top of it or just the tape?

[@DoRC]

The tape is cement board or mesh drywall tape and then the glue is e6000 or shoe goo

[@RinkaiKouen]

@@DoRC oh I see. I thought the tape itself was from the same brand as the E6000 glue.

[@DoRC]

@@RinkaiKouen no any mesh type drywall tape will work. The fiba tape cement board tape that I used has the strongest built-in adhesive which makes the application of it a little bit easier than regular drywall tape

[@RinkaiKouen]

@@DoRC Thanks! I am in Japan so I'll se what I can find around here. Tamiya has some tape but it's not very good in my own experience.

[@annasoming]

complicated capitalism. I could speak for a lifetime on that. Great vid by the way and the history that was good context with showing the rig.

[@DoRC]

Yeah capitalism has its benefits but it certainly has its drawbacks too.

[@thisIsRC]

For that reason (and how overpriced they are) I stopped buying Traxxas a few years ago. A lot of people boast about how great parts availability is for TRX and all that, but that's only an issue when you're impatient and can't wait a week for parts to arrive. There's so many other great brands out there I'd rather give my money to them.

[@DoRC]

Definitely an understandable position.

[@maszkalman3676]

But Arrma ain't cheap either in most part so the world america isn't the whole world for example a traxxas rustler 4x4 vxl is cheaper her in middle/east europe than the arrma vorteks 3s

[@xandon24]

It seems like no matter what market you look at, the ones at the top are also the ones with the least moral business practices. This is because, unfortunately, it's actually really good for business to try and do everything possible to crush competition, especially if you can do so without actually having to make a better product than them.

[@DoRC]

Generally speaking unfortunately that is the inevitable end result of capitalism. Unrestricted free market means whoever can figure out how to be the most successful wins no matter what method they use to do that.

[@scaleworksRC]

The more I learn about them, the less I like.

[@DoRC]

That's understandable.

[@django2467]

I will never support traxxas sorry to say

[@DoRC]

It's completely understandable. To be honest with you I'm less inclined to support them after doing the research for this video then I was before.

[@django2467]

@DoRC I've heard about the lawsuits before but never really dived into them , but this video made me realise it was much worse than I thought

[@andyb9994]

Well you can't blame a company for protecting their investments, they spent the money on engineering and patent fees then for another company to just copy their car and produce it is not right!!! Everyone acts like Traxxas is the only one who sues over patent infringement!!! Companies do it all the time they have to....can't just let someone steal your work!!

[@JxM_YT]

I’ve never liked Traxxas anyway

[@DoRC]

@andyb9994 to some degree I agree with this however a lot of the things that Traxxas has patented including stuff in this lawsuit weren't things that they invented. Sure they adapted things to their own use but cantilever shocks and a box with a gasket have been around a long time :-)

[@enrriquepimentel5383]

I only have 2 years in the hobby and I love arrma only have 1 traxxas a drag slash and it eat rear diff in 1 week stock everything sold that 💩 and buy a arrma typhon 3s much fun now I have every single arrma

[@DoRC]

I would say both companies make good and bad products. The 3S tracks this is aren't the best but the max is probably the toughest out of the box truck you can get.

[@ST1VO]

What kinda tape are you putting on the body?

[@DoRC]

It's fiber tape cement board tape. I have a video on the whole process.

[@alphawlff]

Tamiya would bury Traxxas if they ever went after them. It's funny they are doing this since their first rc The Cat was a rebranded Nikko rc. With that being said.. I will never directly support Traxxas because of their litigation practices. I am only willing to buy a used Traxxas.

[@DoRC]

Maybe so. I mean they are both giants in the industry. It would be interesting to see what would happen.

[@alphawlff]

​@@DoRC Tamiya is more diversified and been around longer than Traxxas. They are rooted in the hobby industry and have the money to fight litigation from Traxxas.

[@lepunkorbeau]

Kyosho too

[@MajorOutage]

I wonder if similar reasoning is why they never went after Pro-Line too. Picking their battles.

[@alphawlff]

@@MajorOutage Gonna say yes

[@louisianahighball4705]

Alot of people here are bashing Traxxas. I used to work as an RC mechanic and got so SICK of working on Arrmas. Repairs where roughly 25% traxxas 75% arrma. Arrma repairs also take much longer to fix because of how they are built. Horizon hobby and all its brands are having MAJOR issues with their supply chain, getting parts and sending parts, or them not having the correct parts.

[@louisianahighball4705]

Alot of people seem mad at traxxas bc of business practices even though ARRMA is under Horizon hobby which controls A HUGE part of the rc hobby. They have there fingers in every kind of rc while traxxas is only boats and trucks.

[@DoRC]

Fair enough though I think monopolization is kind of a different topic from this video which was primarily about litigation.

[@Carenthusiast1234]

I dont care about companies history, I only care about what I can get out of it

[@DoRC]

Yeah that's definitely a valid point of view :-)

[@richiebledsoe1006]

I fixed my collection to match their lawsuits .... All my Traxxas cars are 20 years old lol

[@DoRC]

Sounds like you got a nice vintage collection :-)

[@professional_hater885]

This was one of the first things i heard about when i got into rc cars, after that i kinda just stuck with other companies, don't get me wrong i still think the Xmaxx and xrt are some of the best cars ever made but othe than that im not planning on getting a traxxas car

[@DoRC]

After making this video I definitely am a little more hesitant but I'll probably still buy them :)