This Scam Is In Trouble + Terrible Training By Top Leader

[@juliejo]

This is the most basic training ever and all they do is take from the person they first saw do it. It’s been recycled a thousand times and no new knowledge has been added to it. If this is what Q Sciences is training, YIKES.

[@stevew1487]

The MLM "business model" is not much better than organized street begging, only on the internet, chronically intrusive and annoying. I don't mind helping the occasional street person with a few dollars or a meal, but there are also organized pretend beggar groups that do it as a con, and that's what this reminds me of.

[@vulpix_rising1459]

I really enjoy that she doesn't seem to grasp that some people just don't want to join!

[@michellemurray1784]

They never put a dollar value on what friends and family do for free. Antagonise those friends, family and acquaintances by turning all those relationships into a commercial transaction, they will just avoid you. That will cost you.

[@juliejo]

💯💯💯

[@silverboulder]

Damn!! What an excellent point!

[@thechaosgoblin]

The idea of responding to "I don't have the money" with a variation of "find a way to give me the money anyway" makes my blood boil. I don't begrudge people asking, but if I tell you I can't afford it and you come back with "yes you can", you've guaranteed you will *never* get a penny from me.

[@nikkisaturno.]

Yes! This is the entitled gross behavior.

[@ReturnToSenderz]

Absolutely! It’s so funny when they say to sell some stuff or get a side-hustle so you can buy their starter pack, and I’m like, “OR, crazy idea here, I could use that money to pay for the stuff I actually need instead of funnelling it into your ‘business’ in the hopes of maybe, eventually, getting some of that money back.” 🤷‍♀️

[@crabapple31]

"No means no" should carry over to this shit too. If you make me uncomfortable by having to say no more than once, I'm not going to feel badly for turning on cunt mode.

[@glendastansbury5702]

When you have to work THIS HARD to convince people to join, you have a problem.

[@livesouthernable]

The fact that these huns are targeting people who can’t buy groceries, and then tell them to use a credit card…that’s so disgusting.

[@elisa-beary]

It’s called moving the goalpost. No worries, after 30 days you can get your money back. 30 days later: growing a business doesn’t happen overnight, you’ve done great for your first month. Then you’ve already put in 6 months blah blah. They just keep moving the goal in your mind when the MAIN goal of wooorking should be making money, paying bills. 😞 it’s so frustrating, especially when you see these calls.

[@thegrimlooper]

Lying about the THC is a big deal. I’m a THC user myself but everyone reacts differently. People could have really bad experiences bc of the THC & they wouldn’t really even know that the problem for them.

[@samanthakavanagh7034]

Yep! As someone who was a chronic thc consumer for the last 15 years..... I can agree. One day it randomly turned on me. I can no longer use anything containing thc without getting intense anxiety attacks. It's unfortunate.... but if I had that feeling and no idea what caused it I would probably end up at the hospital.

[@LaLa-xf7ku]

​@samanthakavanagh7034 That is so dangerous! I can't imagine anyone driving, working, responsible for children, etc and it kicks in. Is that legal? Doping someone without their knowledge? Little girl has no idea what she is doing!

[@hailyjohnson407]

Not just that, but the legal impact and/or career impact are huge too! In the US, it is still federally illegal, and there are still many states that haven't decriminalized it or legalized it yet. Many jobs including state and federal jobs, as well as most factory jobs that pay well, and any number of other industries do very thorough drug testing before offering employment and also do random drug screening. CBD alone won't trigger a positive, so if you take it for pain or anxiety or sleep and then test positive for THC, that can be devastating legally and/or career ending. To be clear, I don't agree with this, as I used to take CBD/THC combined mints to help me sleep as it's the only thing that's ever given me restful sleep, but I had to stop because it's illegal in my state and federally and I was getting a job in a pharmacy. So I had to stop, which sucks because I only used 1-2 mg roughly 1-2 times a week, but I just can't risk testing positive. I'm afraid to try any CBD only products because of the THC contamination risk could ruin my entire medical career if it's there and I don't know and then fail a drug test. I wish it was legalized and they would test only for the active compounds to penalize those who are driving while actively high or working while high, as it is mentally impairing, but not to penalize people who use it at home and are responsible, just like with alcohol.

[@mkmason7727]

19:11 Fun fact, the ASL sign for partner is a combo of the signs for “share” and “person”

[@daintybeigli]

Watching such calls, I’m often struck by the fact that if what these companies promised was a reality, they wouldn’t constantly be hemorrhaging reps and aggressively scavenging for new bodies like rats foraging after after nuclear destruction.

[@stevew1487]

And at some point they have to realize it's a con. "Keep the plebes working for the dream that will never come so those at the top have enough backs to climb up on".

[@LaLa-xf7ku]

@@stevew1487 That drives me crazy! Let's give some the benefit of the doubt. They really didn't see the love bombing, predatory behavior, things not adding up, but okay they didn't know. The day still comes when they know damn well it is all BS! They know and have to look around at the relationships lost, lies that were told if not at the very least exaggerating every single point. They see the money is not coming in so their husband can retire ( that one really makes me gag!) and instead of getting the hell out of it, apologizing to their loved ones and working or building a real career, what do they do? Carry on the scammer torch! Disgusting!

[@stevew1487]

@@LaLa-xf7ku Yea there are some who will stay in the grind against all common sense in spite of never making the money promised, but in their conditional defense they have the cultish community mindset working against them so they may stick around longer because of that. I was talking mainly about those near enough the top, either through getting in early enough and/or having enough SM followers to get an instant downline, that know the real mechanics of it all, understand the earnings statements, yet still "sell the dream" as if it were a sure thing. They know it's a scam for 99% of their downline, they're just making too much money to upset the apple cart.

[@Sm57204west]

The whole "never turning away people because our products are as low as $20" thing is stupid. I'm not going to scroll through all the products to find one I can afford, just to buy from the brand....I'm going to go to a brand I can afford. That's not sustainable at all.

[@ReturnToSenderz]

Right? If I only have $20 to spend and the $20 product isn’t something I’m interested in, I’m not going to buy it just because I can afford it. If I need a rake, I’m not going to buy a wrench just because the first store was out of rakes. 🙄

[@chucklehead.smitty]

Yikes this was predatory sales techniques 101 🙄

[@lisril0619]

Mary Kay has their own credit card. They would tell people that they could open one to pay for their "business"...😊

[@Alexupro]

27:01 I REALLY hate how she seems to have an answer for everything! How are you so many things to all of your victims- I mean potential recruits? It just feels so fake to hear her act like she cares let alone bringing faith manipulation to spew blasphemy about what their lord thinks is right for you. This is weird on so many levels.

[@Federica_in_the_UK]

It’s wild that she’s teaching them how she duped them into joining the business. She’s telling them to lie with every rebuttal. One thing is upselling and promoting, another is to blatantly lie, which no reputable company would ask their employees to do.

[@jessicabillhardt8776]

Even if working hard actually paid off in MLM's, how many hours do you have to work to get the $1,000 a month? And that is before taxes and selling costs.

[@Hazyisasigmagirl]

Dang this girl has no shame whatsoever. I’d be way too embarrassed to be this pushy

[@luvzdogz]

Her video is very representative of a tactic most of these "coaches" use - from low ranking up lines to Ray Higfon. They do this mock roleplay conversation to demonstrate how easy it's gonna be to flip a recruit... If they give 'this' objection. I just say 'that.' And then they say 'really?' And I say 'yes.' And then they agree! See how easy that is?! Well sure, if that was really how the conversation played out but we all know that is NOT how easy it goes! When I have made up conversations with myself they are super easy! LOL 😂

[@stevew1487]

"Be authentic, but follow the script" = red flag

[@throwaboat7891]

"nothing, I'm getting nothing from that", honestly that just sums up most of these training calls

[@coolliz21]

This whole training is giving DESPERATE

[@Aerodil]

This is Manipulation and Harassment 101 training.

[@jessicabillhardt8776]

The pain point of "Everyone is struggling to pay for groceries" does not get solved by working an mlm. The people you are going to try and sell to is struggling as well and don't have money to buy supplements

[@LauraGlitteringMoss]

I always wonder who is watching these trainings and thinking: oh! That’s exactly what my upline said to get me to sign up. It’s so cringe. Love your videos.

[@Jmg5594]

That’s what I keep thinking as well!

[@daftoptimist]

As a Christian, if I want someone to talk me through a decision I need to pray on, it’s probably going to be a pastor. You know, someone who’s actually qualified to discuss matters of faith? Not some rando with something to sell me? Come on

[@monetruby]

Goodness gracious, the "list of 100"...pretty sure I was encouraged to do something similar by Pure Romance when I was a part of them. Looking back, I am horrified at how things like that list started to turn every interaction and relationship into a potential transaction. Compliments are just in-roads to "share the business". Yes, let's turn all human interactions into potential business! What could possibly go wrong? s/ I haaated that aspect the most (in addition to wasting money and time). Thank you for bringing a critical eye to these money-losing propositions!

[@stevew1487]

"You know what it takes to be in an MLM? It takes brass balls to be in an MLM."

[@jessicabillhardt8776]

The return policy usually expires right before the time the "fast-start" bonuses end. I was convinced my paycheck would only get bigger. hahahaha

[@yvonned627]

That “training” caused me so much anxiety, I had to lie my lazy butt down and take a nap.

[@meganjensen2239]

Hahaha--I feel the same. I watch these videos while I work my job (from home). The "team calls" and "opportunity calls" make me feel less anxiety about my own job.

[@yvonned627]

@@meganjensen2239 me too!

[@AngelaHesterBooks]

I wish distributors who watch these "trainers" would realize that they were recruited the same way and that their upline doesn't care about them and it's not the way they said it would be.

[@lrg268]

No is no, simply not interested should be enough. The more someone insists on pushing something the less interested I am.

[@CelestialAnamoly]

There's a lot of trust between members of the same faith congregation. The idea that they might be getting manipulated is abhorrent. So many of these folks don't even realize they themselves are being manipulative.

[@juliejo]

Completely agree.

[@jessicabillhardt8776]

But what if they don't need the $20 product? (which is probably some kind of branded merch)

[@anij80]

At this point i have no interest in being polite. Just be straight forward and tell them no, i have no interest in joining. I think it's the only way to get them to leave you alone.

[@CobraCreates]

Hey, uh, how about letting people get their Starbucks? They really just want you to take every little nice thing you do for yourself and replace it with work. It's soul crushing. I'm also just tired of the "think of how much you'd save if you didn't get your coffee" routine. Let people have some joy. Edit for grammar

[@mylastduchess9998]

I am regularly drug tested, and even though THC is legal where I am, if it showed up on a test, I'd be in serious trouble.

[@meganjensen2239]

Same here--if I get injured while at a job site, I could miss out on worker's comp if I have any drugs in my system.

[@fae206]

Someone tried to talk me into an MLM and I said, I'll think about it with a strained smile. So they pushed and asked me for my phone number and what date would work best for me. And I said, I'm sorry, I was lying and I'm not going to think about it, but you've obviously invested in this and it's kinder to lie and say that I'll think about it than saying you're trying to talk me into a scam. So, you know, bye

[@andreipopescu349]

In conclusion, just be honest and make it very clear that you will never ever join, otherwise you can't escape 🤦‍♀️

[@gracem1283]

this was excruciating to watch😭😭 she's so out of touch with reality

[@luke.jaguar]

How is she going to admit that people need the supplemental income for things like groceries and bills, but then in the next sentence say they only need to cut back on that to buy in?? Like.. the inconsideration? I need a better word for that.

[@stevew1487]

disingenuousness?

[@luke.jaguar]

Yes! It goes with what Julie mentioned about saying "I relate" even if you don't.@@stevew1487

[@yarnenthusiast7480]

Their tactics are so scuzzy 😮

[@jasdawn5]

Maybe I “can’t afford it” isn’t an invitation for you giving me budgeting advice!! Leave my Starbucks and Target shopping alone. 😡 you don’t get a say in how I spend my money unless you pay my bills.

[@LaLa-xf7ku]

I love how one of her suggestions is to cut out your Starbucks. Why doesn't she just say " I want to recruit you to work on my downline for no money most of the time so you wont have any money for starbucks anyway. But..... the big perk is you can stand around Starbucks with your "I'm a girlboss!" attitude and bullshit to other potential recruits by luring them into thinking you own your own company. Oh, no too real for her?😂

[@stevew1487]

You make it sound so easy...😁

[@SeauxNOLALady]

Wait, they are marketing a product and saying it’s safe for children, but also lying about the ingredients in said product? HOW IS THIS NOT A CRIME!? In fact, I’m pretty sure it is, but it needs to be enforced and prosecuted! Being dishonest about product safety and ingredients is dangerous!

[@samanthakavanagh7034]

"Who is going to say no to that?!" Uhhhh.... hopefully everyone.

[@anij80]

I have no interest in selling stuff. I wonder if they have a counter point to that.

[@RingshadowCat]

honestly so happy no one tries to pitch me these things. And like I suck at marketing my own self published book, so. Even if it wasn't a scam I'm not meant for sales.

[@lagoss729]

Seriously, what do these grifters have against coffee runs? If I had a nickel for each time I heard this... I could go on a lot of coffee runs. I could buy a round for everyone here. It's such bad advice, too.

[@Alexupro]

35:10 I think this section reeks of desperation, and it makes me wonder how often she's left on read versus nailing a slimy manipulative sale/recruitment.. This was a candidate for an SYM award, she's a bit exhausting to me.

[@isirlasplace91]

35:56 This type of thing was very encouraged for us "detail-oriented" reps in MK😐

[@elisa-beary]

I love how she keeps saying who would say no to that?? Or of course they’ll say yes to that! Ummm, no they won’t. I wouldn’t even w/o these videos but now I see it in a totally different light. A LOT of people wouldn’t just say yes cuz there’s money back guarantee. It would be hard to get yes’s and build downlines.

[@stevew1487]

"You should expect 99 no's for every yes" that's who.

[@Maguire708Julie]

My new test if someone wants to talk about business: I need you to define edify!

[@juliejo]

Hahaha! 👏

[@helenagastier]

It's crazy that they think when people are struggling to buy groceries there will still be extra money for MLM products

[@jasdawn5]

Oh, just give up 20 Starbucks this month. Oh wait. People that can’t buy groceries are probably not buying Starbucks!!! Smh

[@elisa-beary]

Omg I can’t believe you didn’t say anything JJ at the isnt this a pyramid scheme? (minutes after no ranks!) she said you can be ahead of your mentor. Brittany is a double diamond out RANKING ME. 🤯🤯🤯

[@Kim-xy1wr]

It would be extremely rare for me to spend $20 on any product!

[@isirlasplace91]

29:28 Oh heck no!!! She's saying THE EXACT SAME THING MY RECRUITER TOLD ME IN MARY KAY WHICH IS WHY I STAYED FOR YEARS😡

[@isirlasplace91]

21:46 Oh noooooo!! The ol' Feel Felt Found🤢

[@karyn373]

If someone messages me about something like this and I tell them no and they message again and I don't respond if they send another message that's how you get blocked and reported for spam. 35:43

[@hawaiianshirts4715]

37:21 "Edify your mentors." To edify is to teach or instruct someone morally or intellectually. Does she mean "deify" (worship, regard, treat as deity) your mentors?

[@mochalatte8202]

What kind of thc Is in the product? I think that is important as well, as some do not have psychoactive effects.

[@Aerodil]

It was Delta 8 AND Delta 9 THC strains. Erin did a whole video on it.

[@samanthakavanagh7034]

Omg lol that's a new one "we are share people" hahahhahahahha

[@kathycharlton4351]

It makes me really think about how people hearing this would be feeling while they are probably thinking, well I can’t pay for anything extra, do I lie? I guess that is the cognitive dissonance

[@MarceldeJong]

So nothing in her script is depending on what answers you get from the questions. Goes to show just how much BS that MLM is.

[@VixyGirl]

I don't understand the "we have something for every budget" type of argument. It doesn't matter if the product is $20 if it's not something the person needs/is looking for.

[@colleenkennedy]

Where do buy your shirts? Love them!

[@lisadoes]

“Hey, Hun, did you get a chance to read my message?” 😂 BLOCK

[@anij80]

I get my supplements from the grocery store lol. No harassment from a Hun no mlm needed.

[@loucee3683]

'People are struggling to pay for groceries' but also 'people will be begging to buy your overpriced MLM products'

[@septemberbabe920]

Once you see the comp plan, you can’t unsee it!! Your eyes will melt out of your head like the cursed guys on The Mummy!! Do not lay your eyes upon it!!!

[@gotsm9959]

That's right Julie my vitamin Beer is best for your health it'll basically completely regenerate you'll be able to talk to all the trees not just to olive trees.

[@maximumbees]

im so fucking stubborn and get real irritated when someone doesn't respect that i don't wanna do something. if the first excuse i said to be nice didnt work id probably just straight up be like "i dont fucking want to 💀" in as venomous a way as i could muster.

[@summerdowlig]

So basically just hound people until they join is her advice.

[@mermeow]

Just say, "No" to the huns. 😹 I'm agnostic, so faith manipulation wouldn't work on me. The "pyramid schemes are illegal" tactic is so ridiculous to me. 😹

[@ginnygin7141]

"If money wasnt an object would you be willing to give this a try?" Gaby if money wasnt an issue i would buy q sciences just to release their financial info and inner dealings showing its a pyramid scheme and make sure the owners i bought it from wind up paying all the money they made in the sale in fines and restitution. Can i do that? If you help me find an hour or two a day to spare, i bet that would help!

[@stevew1487]

"If money wasn't an object why the hell would I shill your crap and turn myself into your slave robo-caller 24/7?"

[@LoveTrueMusic1]

41:24 This is the Deaf Experience in a nutshell right here

[@helenr4300]

27:55 tracking every conversation? Sounds exhausting

[@stevew1487]

Not to speak of unnatural, transactional, shallow, and deceptive.

[@janewaysmom]

This is actually a decent sales training, but it's frustrating because it gives the mlm participants a feeling like they're gonna be successful, but they don't actually have good info to be able to overcome these things. Mrs "I need to do more research" can't get the more info she needs, because if you give more info, she'll see right through the mlm scheme, and that's frustrating about this training. It's high pressure sales tactics for a high loss risk scheme, and it's just gone help to further alienate the loved ones of the people in the mlm.

[@milenamilosevic3739]

What is the name of the awesome background light, the pink one?

[@Starry_Skye22]

I am not trading my delicious Starbucks or my target. Stoppppp

[@TaylorX3]

So there is nothing I can say shy of "duck off" to get a hun out of my inbox. Noted.

[@elisa-beary]

Joining this cult and working a few hours a week allowed me to…. Start getting my food from a food pantry instead of Trader Joe’s!! Like that??? 😂

[@stevew1487]

Yea, and it's cool because there's more recruits at the food pantry! Life's good!

[@deejayb85]

Why is it ALWAYS the Starbucks they go after?? Beachbody does the same thing for their overpriced smoothie

[@StKildaBlvd]

Lazy. Such a disgusting term, considering she knows, she needs to recruit and then she can be as lazy as she wants to be.

[@andylindsayvlog]

I just watched 10-12 ways of saying "I don't want to join your dumbass pyramid scheme but I am trying to be nice"

[@samanthakavanagh7034]

....basically. How pathetic for them to basically be begging people. So gross.

[@SkwithOv]

"what does a pyramid scheme mean to you?"

[@Maguire708Julie]

Replay crew!

[@PacificallyYours]

Ask not what your up line can do for you, but what YOU can do for your upline😂

[@daintybeigli]

I’d be interested to know what her definition of “many” is. If the average 99.7% applies, 3 people out of 1000 profit. Yes, so many. Much possible.

[@stevew1487]

probably "more than one"

[@CheerupA1]

"Can I have some support?" MLM: "We have support at home" The support: "GET TO WORK YOU LAZY SHIT!!! NEVER STOP POSTING!"

[@shirlenereid7888]

So… in summary, training basically consists of feeding BS to everyone you have any kind of contact with? Yuck!

[@stevew1487]

...and the only thing real about your relationships will be how fake they are. 'Who would say no to that?'

[@larissachilders]

Lo to monat are the other mean girls, I think gabby moved from mount to q sciences in early 2021. Mean girls stick with mean girls.

[@Peajay007]

I just say the same thing over and over to each pitch No thanks. I’m not interested That’s all I say. Usually with a fake sweet smile.

[@kimjohnson2034]

I got send expired mint chocolte bars

[@ginnygin7141]

Why is she acting like objections are a single back and forth. Its not (or almost never is): objection response purchase. Thats not preparing your team for reality or helping them close a sale. These aren't magic fucking spells.

[@rsh793]

Lol it really helps your life easier if you learn to say thanks but NO thanks 😁

[@susannefaaborg]

You have plenty of opportunities just do it in your spare time. Listen, I'm a mother of 3 children and have a full-time job. The free time I have taken is with my family or friends. And don't mind your little mlm No thanks

[@stevew1487]

It's so ironic they spout 'time-freedom' as one of the benefits of joining 'the opportunity' when the truth is the diametrical opposite, but it's amazing the cognitive dissonance people will put up with once they get in.

[@CarmenHernandez-gm1cs]

a turly bland and boring training. Uninspired. No wonder these folks are desperate for recruits. I'd LOVE to see her rate of "no's" to this "opportunity."

[@pixiegirl131415]

Umm, is Gaby naked? I’m 15 minutes in, and I haven’t seen any signs of her top… or is she just wearing a nude color top?

[@helenr4300]

But this is not about recruiting.....

[@xyz-qu4fs]

I do not think it is ever God"s will for you to lie to people and scam other people. I can already know that is not God's will, because God is against lying for gain and deception for money.

[@PacificallyYours]

Ask not what your up line can do for you, but what YOU can do for your upline😂