This Stunning Seiko Watch Houses A Forgotten GEM! WINNER PICKS..GS OR SEIKO?

[@ilikewatches]

Here is a link to the GIVEAWAY Launch video kzbin.info/www/bejne/nquvgYRvjbpjY9k

[@MammothBehemoth]

that size is exactly the one I'm looking for. It's definitely gonna shove aside my 35mm VH31 Escapement Time watch

[@mell3109]

I have one of these, I bought it in 2021. I set it to the automatic clock in November 2022 and in September 2023 it has lost 1 second! Incredible

[@sigmund3023]

I think the Dulce is a masterclass on how to do a dress watch. Nothing big and obnoxiously flash. Just class.

[@konidu971]

I actually think that this size is not too small for most men. I think vintage watches from the 50's and 60's with 33/34mm of diameter are amazing!

[@turnbasedtoddy7664]

Yes! This is one of the best “no one knows about it” watch around. I have had one for about 2 years and it is lovely. Great video, Im glad other people are getting the word out.

[@ilikewatches]

I totally agree, I was so surprised by this watch...

[@richardgardiner9597]

You must be the most generous watch reviewer on the internet, let alone KZbin. I have a serious soft spot for HAQ watches. Keep up the great work.

[@MichaelG1986]

It reminds me of vintage mechanical watches. I have a few and some are in that 34mm range, along with the 17mm strap width. It takes a day or so of wearing them to get used to the smaller size, then they look fine. Your focus on high accuracy quartz has encouraged me to wear more of the quartz watches in my collection: my Citizen Promaster diver, Bulova Lunar Pilot and my trusty Breitling Aerospace Avantage.

[@frankkollar2278]

I am a fan of quartz. I was actually tickled to see GS put the 9f quartz and a display case back on their new SPGP017 can't wait to see the watch community go nuts over that one Cheers!

[@NathanChisholm041]

It has no soul they'll say! lol

[@cameronleigh7709]

Best review on the internet of the Dolce (Sacm171) Thanks for the in-depth information about the movement and linage. I’ve been watching these watches for quite a while. Definitely my next watch. I’ve got small wrists, absolutely love small watches. Smaller JDM selections are right up my ally. So thin, so accurate, so elegant. You have earned my subscription, thank you.

[@waynesellers4078]

When you said the winner could pick the GS or this watch I thought it would be obvious to go for the GS but I'm not sure now.

[@Aztec1050]

The information coming from internal specs from Seiko in Japanese, on the 8J and 9F movements, is universal, saying the 8J was the last “cost be damned” very robust movement made. The internal feeling is the 9F is less robust, less accurate, less shielded, and, yes, some of them scoff at the lack of an independent hour hand with which one easily adjusts to other time zones on the 8J. Of course, the very high accuracy +- 5 second twin quartz movements of the seventies were extremely expensive to produce, for example a “simple” steel edition of the Superior at 3200 Euro, but these were not robust in field use. This was evidenced by a rather charming anecdote.

[@aaronbiddulph1442]

So interesting and making me really appreciate these high accuracy quartz movements. The difference between these an your cheap few £ movements is night and day! Thank you for all the time and effort you put into researching them and everything watches gary!👍🏼

[@neilbotha3527]

Seiko never ceases to amaze. Not my bag, but an amazing little piece

[@ejb19875hbi]

Nice watch. Thanks for chance

[@tohb1976]

I wear a Seiko Dolce JDM, they really keep the good stuff domestic. Finishing is good for the price paid.

[@rabtrekker]

Amazing. High accuracy in house quartz, 60's sizing, sapphire with internal AR coating and quality to stand the test of time. What a watch.

[@vetrock77]

This is beautiful watch honestly I had no idea they exist, the simplicity of the dial and the hands makes it look great and the small and thin size makes it even better to wear with business attire

[@rafaelteixeira2739]

A watch youtuber talking about Dolce watches? Omg... Seiko's got so many underrated lines, breath of fresh air, respect.

[@El1988Che]

Yup, very familiar with the 8J and 8N (they share a similar architecture but the 8N is regulated via dip switches). I had a JDM 10kt solid gold Dolce with the 8J movement. The 8J on the Credor is not just slightly more accurate, it's gold plated and better finished too, but I get your point. Those Credor can be found in Japan (using Buyee) for way less. Chrono24 prices are ridiculous lol

[@ilikewatches]

Good info, thanks…

[@CanadianBeachcomber]

I am enjoying that your channel features Japanese watches and continues to explore the history of the manufacturers. It’s maintaining my interest in horology.

[@lawrenceong8501]

What a stunning little gem! Thank you for another great sharing of this 'unsung hero' Gary! Cheers!

[@atholheys]

I’ve got a King Quartz from the late 70’s, a Twin Quartz movement with a 20 seconds per year accuracy which it still attains. Seiko were producing some interesting Quartz movements in the 70’s.

[@georgefotiadis3787]

Discovered the SACM150 (basically the gold plated version of this)and instantly fell in love with it the movement is amazing so is the dial texture and the finishing.

[@WhyWeBuyIt]

Seiko has so many layers you could do a video every single week on them. Great video.

[@lulul]

such a beautiful watch and an amazing movement for little money. thanks for showing it. a dress watch is what i'm missing and this one is just lovely!

[@matthewdobbs7784]

I love this! I still have my dad‘s old Seiko moon phase that he bought in the late 80s, it’s 33mm and wears perfectly once you commit to it.

[@jiaentan2211]

Seiko's flex by showing how quartz movement can be so pleasing to look at too.

[@69stingrayman]

Very interesting! Might be a good watch to use the movement for a mod?

[@artbanks27]

I got into credor a wile back and i knew about this movement but i had no idea about it being used in grand seiko and seiko branded watches. Great info!👌

[@austinh7967]

I've heard of the 8J movement, mainly in videos about 9F GS models. I pretty much only knew it as the caliber that preceeded the 9F.

[@jerryjensen6430]

I’m normally not a fan of small watches but with its super thin case it’s very cool!

[@caktaylor]

You should take a look at watches powered by the "Precidrive" movement. I think most of them were produced by Certina, but Tissot also released a few with that (or a similar) movement. They had three-hand versions of the movement, as well as some interesting chronograph models.

[@ssnerd583]

I did the 'quartz watches that keep great time' dive about 3 years ago and became enamored with the Grand Seiko.....brushed past the Bulova and Casio and back to the Grand Seiko WHICH WILL BE ON MY WRIST SOME DAY!!!

[@aim54x]

Looks great, I love a simple slim dress watch, that understated dial is gorgeous

[@tiote_paris6106]

Always wondered about those Seiko Dolces they look very grand Seiko-esque too

[@bobsumm1]

Great series on high accuracy quartz watches. No one seems to pay much attention to quartz and that is a shame. Love that shirt!

[@thegrumpyoldbusdriver]

This is the best dress watch, gorgeous watch, for sure I’ll buy one of this! Thanks for the review

[@Mrcxlixo]

Good things don't always come in big boxes, nice watch. Hope to see more watches with this kind of movements, I can't shake from my mind the Bulova that you reviewd.

[@ilikewatches]

They are amazing.....that second hand sweep is insane!

[@beverleynesbitt5406]

What an amazing package, it’s simple yet elegant slim and very accurate and best of all it’s well priced.What more can you ask for a dress watch

[@grahambawden4060]

Lovely little watch but the second hand was missing the markers. Excellent quartz movement, nice dial, polished case will scratch up though. Strap isn't special but works well with the watch. Size would suit the female watch collector or the smaller wristed male. Fascinating and informative video Gary. 👍⌚😐

[@ashleykilgour1903]

A great looking suit watch. I have been looking for a white face seiko for this role.

[@bensynewsshoedown4999]

No, I didn't know about that Seiko 8J high accuracy quartz, but expect Seiko obsessives will have some great stories.

[@Buck380]

Thanks Gary for another great review, interesting movement info.

[@Qm455]

Never heard of this movement, that's amazing accuracy for that price. Another movement that I recently learned of is the Seiko 'dancing hands' movement in the 'Avenue' models.

[@larryfromwisconsin9970]

Beautiful. But I'm a big guy. Nice Great Lakes T-shirt. I grew up in Superior, Wisconsin, at the far western tip of Lake Superior.

[@davidbarclay3651]

About the size of my vintage Timex Marlin. That is a real crocodile strap, based on your description. A bit more accurate than the pin and plate movement. I love accuracy. Thanks for sharing. Bless you brother.

[@antoniovelez8780]

Love the "ultra thin, ultra small, ultra simple" look, having an interesting movement is the cherry on top.

[@heidyaji]

This watch will fit my 6 inch wrist perfectly. Plus sapphire crystal, enamel (?) dial, high accuracy movement. Match made in heaven...

[@AlexanderB.]

Excellent stuff, well researched! If there ever was a watch deserving the nickname "Baby Grand Seiko" it's this one! 👍

[@ilikewatches]

Agreed!

[@dalegamble1173]

Hello Garry. I have a Credor with the 8j81 movement and it is absolutely superb, as I only have a small wrist it feels like it was made to measure. Great video.

[@ilikewatches]

That is a great movement!

[@linuslam80s]

I love these dress watches. ❤ The perfect watch for a gentleman who is seeking for something decent at a relative price.

[@Julianpms]

I have just ordered this watch (from Sakura) on the strength of your recommendation, thank you! I have small wrists and regularly wear a 1981 Omega Constellation Quartz Chronometer with identical dimensions, so I am confident it will fit well. Not sure about the standard strap though, I may well swap that out for a plain leather one.

[@ilikewatches]

Awesome…so glad the video helped!

[@Julianpms]

@@ilikewatchesJust received my watch today, very impressed with the looks and finish. For now I've put it on a Junghans Max Bill milanese mesh bracelet, which I think suits it quite well. It's very slim (the Junghans 17mm is a women's model) which helps. Thanks again!

[@XjohnjohnX88]

Very interesting video! Very well explained 👍 I also love the small Seiko. It's very small but I have a small wrist (17cm/6.7in) 😉

[@mikeg6008]

Choosing between that Seiko and the second-hand GS would be tough. Looking forward to it's review. Thanks Gary!

[@user-ix4ge6rr7u]

The Dolce is a sweet looking dress watch

[@robertevans214]

For whatever reason, I’m not a fan of quartz movements, but you description and reviews make a solid argument. Keep up the great work!

[@joelfallon1958]

That is a sharp looking watch, nice texture on the dial. You nailed it on the size, a little small, but would look fantastic on the wife. Also I love the Great Lakes t-shirt, biased because I live just north of Windsor, Ontario in Michigan.

[@ilikewatches]

Love the T-Shirt…viewer sent it in…

[@swanney75]

Even mashed up I think the GS is the better one to go for- how much to restore the dial I wonder? Everything is applied so you could pop off all the indices and logos, repaint the dial black and stick em on again - I’d be tempted to watch a few KZbin vids and try it myself…..

[@markadlaon1717]

What a small quartz movement but its packed with a godly accuracy for a cheap price! Wow!

[@sparkyjas]

Yes I think there are a fquite ew very nice high accuracy quartz watches out there and this has a great dial and it's so thin!

[@Dadication3]

Thank you for another great vid. Interesting, my Seiko SWR049 Essential($195 Retail)has the same small crown that is difficult to use.

[@JuanHernandez-dw4vq]

I have the same model on different straps. I wear it when I want to wear something small and light. I like small watches.

[@wafarris]

I never heard of the movement. I am going to have to find my old dress watch from the late 80´s. I bet it is around that size and I have the same size wrist as you do.

[@MerlinsTeaboy]

Lovely watch, nice size for my small wrist.

[@igs5660]

I had no ideia about this watch, thank you for enlightening us with this stunning little piece. I really like these more classically designed seiko watches, they really excel at the “less is more” principle, great balance between simplicity and elegance. And all that with a very high accuracy movement. If only the crown was a little bit bigger, the size they went with really throws of the balance of the design in my opinion.

[@felo6035]

That Seiko is a little known gem, thank you for sharing Gary 👍

[@normandbissonnette8865]

Very interesting information. It does look good. If it is too small for you, imagine for someone with a 8.25 inch wrists!

[@John-P]

Thanks Gary for a really interesting video, good things come in small packages and that Seiko looks really nice.

[@sergiubalaj2969]

Thank you Gary for bring the Dolce to my attention. Great looking watch, a touch on the small side but gorgeous nonetheless.

[@aaronogs4019]

You can buy one of them Seiko dolces on Sakura for a lot less than what you paid. I bought one last night, cost around £268 in GBP.

[@cliffhaylett8428]

I have a soft spot for Seiko, my first ‘good’ watch is a Seiko. I bought in in 1979, it’s still keeps perfect time.

[@brianmsahin]

I did not know Gary, and I'm a Seiko fanboy!! Excellent video!

[@djapojunior]

I knew about the Dolce line, but didn't know about this piece. A really classy piece! 👌

[@delanoscott7856]

Honestly I think I would love the smaller watch over the Grand Seiko. I’m reminded of the elegance of black and white photos of Muhammad Ali with a tiny Cartier Tank on his wrist.

[@davidtanner242]

I love the dimensions of this watch, it's a dress watch and should be diminutive and understated.

[@watch-box]

Great series of videos - movements (especially quartz) dont get enough content produced on them. Looking forward to what you decide to produce content on after this. And thanks for another giveaway Gary, its very much appreciated.

[@jebonC50]

I owned a quartz GS(SBGX295) before selling it. Then i bought this watch a few months ago, and never have any complaints. What an awesome watch, with a nice dial and size, at least for my wrist size. ^^

[@michael-ut1lw]

Hi good luck all. Tiny and very classic look. 25 grams. Sapphire crystal with AR clear coating.... OK anyway I am in for this one

[@datilderek1]

Great stuff. I love HAQ movement watches, and being a high beat is the icing on the cake.

[@tims]

I'm really enjoying the HAQ series of watches. The accuracy and tech in these are very interesting.

[@navboi12]

8j movements are considered the most robust HAQs, with better stability, accuracy and build quality over their 9f successors (which cost around 30% less to produce and utilise more 'run of the mill' parts).

[@karlissulcs3822]

As a dude with a lower-than-average size wrist, this is right up my alley. Great research on the movement too, a super effort for your channel as always!

[@ssnerd583]

...as am I.....anything over 42mm and I start looking like Flava-Flav(and its a GOOD THING if you dont know who that is)

[@cdeaker]

With Seiko producing such a high quality quartz movement in a classic watch with great finishing for a super price, it makes me wonder what the markup is on a Cartier Tank quartz which go for £2500

[@ryantannehill2830]

I think it would be fair to say that they spend 200ish dollars on the whole kit. Including the box and everything. However, I don't think that it's unique to Cartier.

[@alanwright3172]

Lovely little watch, but with 8 inch wrists I think it might be lost on me😁 Glad to see both channels thriving.

[@ilikewatches]

such a shame they don't use these movements in other non JDM watches

[@scotthayes2652]

Bought mine from Seiya Japan website. It’s an utter bargain, stupidly light to wear, well made and looks brilliant.

[@nintendokings]

I guessed it! I just bought a SBGF017 a few weeks ago myself. Amazing value watch

[@grahammcdonald]

I have 3 8j41 watches now. For my 6.5inch wrist, it's perfect. I have one that is a bit out per year, Seiko day they would need to send it back to Japan. "This particular calibre would need to be sent to Japan and it would be price on application, if the watches required a service it would be £200 - £300 each." Seiko UK. I think they just replace the movement and or entire thing. So that's the issue, there is no way to correct it if it goes out, and there were the 9F wins.

[@R023N]

I was interested in getting the SACM171 early this year but ended up getting another Dolce with a 5E61 movement. I've read the 5E61 is also a HAQ, but I don't actually know what the official rating for it. There are many nice watches in the Dolce line, I believe the Dolce AGS watches are the first watches Seiko released with a kinetic movement?!

[@ilikewatches]

Great knowledge....I'll look into the watches you mention...thanks!

[@aarontrill2251]

haven't heard of this movement before. it certainly is great looking!

[@duncancameron398]

Gotta love GS,that one on your wrist is superb

[@milograham8556]

Fantastic video again mate, huge fan of your channel 😊

[@ilikewatches]

Thank you, I appreciate it!

[@sl8ight_yt]

Had my eye on the gold version of this for a whole - don't mind the size at all and I've got a 7 inch wrist!

[@stevensilkunas2437]

This is a case (pun not intended) where less is more. All the details down to the cabuchon on the crown are perfect.

[@nickabraham6981]

what a beautiful watch simple and elegant.

[@jonathanberwick4473]

Great informative video Gary keep them coming

[@seanpie5481]

Such a pretty watch and it ticks my boxes too, plus I’m a sucker for drilled lugs. The size though. No matter, it would suit my wife. But nah, I’d go for the GS. Cheers.

[@howardstephenson2889]

It's a dress watch, isn't it? It's meant to be worn inconspicuously with tails or a dinner suit. The patent-leather strap will match shoes with the same finish.

[@brianmsahin]

Exactly right Howard. You know ever since I got into watches my wife tells me that I'm more fashion conscious than I've ever been in 15 years of marriage! 😁

[@kevinjansen2738]

Cool little watch.too bad there wasn’t size options. Thanks for the education

[@Diego20253]

The practicality of quartz is hard to beat. Especially high quality quartz.

[@godGottgod]

Can you compare it to the escapement time? Both share the King Seiko design. It would be very interessting to see how those compare

[@dunderhay9169]

That would make a very nice watch for my wife 👍 . Interesting hearing about these movements, keep up the good work!