This Tiny 4.8L 16-Core RTX Gaming PC Pushes The Edge Of SFF Power!

[@oheeibnhamid]

Man this channel has become my favorite SFF channel lately. Amazing build ETA!

[@peppaz]

I wish they made a 4060 ti low profile, that would put a small build over the top.

[@pedgarage]

bro, it's already over the top if you compared it to what we had 3 years ago, perfomance are great, be satisfied with what you have or it will never be enough,

[@forsakenturin]

They did just search it up there is 4060 lowprofikle

[@otakudenoche1585]

May not be a true low profile card but MSI made a 4060Ti/4070 Ti X Slim version which is more smaller than the typical/regular 4060 Ti/4070Ti's out there. I actually made a small Lian Li Q58 build with the MSI 4060Ti(16GB) White X Slim, i7-13700k, 32GB RAM and 1 1TB m.2(OS) and a 6TB 2.5 WD SSD(for the games + misc). Forgot to add that I game at 1080p@144fps at high settings in all games and am completely happy with my little powerhouse lunchbox lol

[@matiasmoreno59]

galax made a single slot 4060 ti 16 gb, maybe its what you are looking for!

[@InfamousAMH]

​@forsakenturin 4060 ti. Not standard 4060. He used a standard 4060 LP in the video. They do not make a 4060 ti in Low Profile format.

[@keithframe3489]

Let me guess, this is the best SSF pc you ever use?

[@SirBlicks]

😂

[@xmajedz_3246]

you know it 😂

[@BrandonJMoradel]

Let me guess… you come to hate not to enjoy the video. Nobody is making watch the video man just get lost

[@airtioteclint]

Naturally. The goal is to upgrade. Why would anybody go down.

[@BrandonJMoradel]

@@airtioteclintit’s called a budget sir… not everyone has access to or has the ability to upgrade🥱🥱🤡

[@StarrDust0]

This is definitely the type of build I'd go for today-because it is legitimately tiny....but have no need to upgrade yet. My last pc build from a few years ago was a sff, but still huge and heavy though smaller than a mid-tower. They need to keep shrinking gpu's and power supplies so we can have super small pc's. Because I'm a renter, we have to move around every few years, so lugging these boxes around is a pain in the azz and I don't trust movers not to damage these delicate and costly machines-so I move them myself. Something this small would be ideal because you can throw it and all your cables and stuff in a backpack.

[@jacobbuckle7227]

Finally!!! the 4060 showing up! love it!

[@Sero3_]

The thing about these mini pcs are to reduce footprint, being a usable PC and not too expensive by using low profile GPUs. They really shine in these years.

[@CuttinInIdaho]

Minis Forum has got to be the most innovative mfg right now. They are always innovating

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Considering how expensive Mini-ITX stuff is, I'd put a RTX 4000 Ada SFF instead of that 4060 LP.

[@Gametester110-qf8vs]

*The Asrock Deskmini+Ryzen 5700G:* Is still my preferred super-compact, yet powerful, mini Pc solution. I have two identical ones built. One is my everyday use Pc, and the other is a dedicated Emulation/gaming comp.

[@anthonyhall6676]

I saw they finally have the Deskmeet x600 in stock at NewEgg, not sure about DeskMini. But figure you could put in a 4060ti 16GB in the Deskmeet.

[@Gametester110-qf8vs]

@@anthonyhall6676 I've always preferred a more simplified set-up, no videocard, just integrated graphics whilst still being powerful in it's own right. Thanks to modern Ryzen processors, that's now a reality. And the end result is like a tiny brick--- Very compact.

[@phillycheesetake]

I wish they would release a 4070lp. Nice to see more options with FlexATX coming out, the PSU was typically the limiting factor in ITX builds, even SFX is limiting if you want to go with half-height cards. Still wish these case manufacturers would stop cheating around the expansion card brackets. Just extend the case rearward and make them internal. Who cares about the .2L penalty? If the bracket is sticking out it's effectively that much bigger already.

[@Spyke_misc]

Hopefully we'll get a 5070 lp, given the new SFF endeavour from nvidia, but 200w LP is doable with a good undervolted chip

[@phillycheesetake]

@@Spyke_misc Yeah that's the kind of power envelope I was thinking of. Single 8-pin mounted on the end close to the motherboard (same orientation as current 4060lp, just shimmied over so the cable is even more out of the way). I'd want such a PCB not just for LP cards, but also regular ones for more efficient cooling.

[@telostia]

i think a 5060 lp would be able to do 4k gaming due to the double chip in 1 format they're going for 5000 series. a 5070 will stil require too much psu power

[@pheapkim978]

The definition of no space wasted

[@BAdventures]

Awesome 16-core workstation! We could only dream of this computing power growing up with old clunky desktops. I can see these compact systems taking over as 'do all' daily drivers. Especially 6 and 8 core CPU's. Use good cooling and they'll boost speeds all day. Good hands on review 👍

[@unknown183]

I love single slots. Especially the cheapest ones. You get the most out of them. A real BANG for your buck. Always happy and satisfied.

[@CarsonTheCanuck]

There was no single slot card in this video

[@unknown183]

@@CarsonTheCanuck Never said there was. Can a man enjoy his single slot cards that has nothing to do with his video to begin with and just comment what's on his mind? Man, If only I could change the world, one single slot at a time.

[@Saddedude]

32960 cbR23 score is no joke. My 5950x does 30,500

[@phonfo.official]

hope you include a pcpartpicker list next time, cool video

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

at least things kept on showing, and i expect to constantly that way until all shown up

[@UniversalSpork]

Now they just need to get the BD770i back in stock.

[@kampfratte4ever]

@3:06 you mention the RAM runs at 5600 MHz, as far as i know, the board is maxed out at 5200 MHz. My Kingston Fury Impact XMP 6000 runs at 4800. How do you Setup your RAM? Because the BIOS did not allow any changes

[@cmja09]

i did that on a cheap under 4L case with minimal modifications

[@Sgt.Lincoln_Osiris]

ETA Prime somewhere in the future : "I build this SFF PC using Minisforum T-1000 motherboard with mimetic poly-alloy cooling."

[@JFlogerzi]

When the Ryzen 9000's come out I will be replacing my ITX 5600x setup with a Miniforums combo like this

[@MichaelSkinner-e9j]

Excellent Build!

[@DrJ3RK8]

Really nice build! I have a couple of places that could use something like this.

[@aflury]

"The cooler that Minisforum opted to use on this board" is the cooler they designed and built for it. :)

[@yingbxua6240]

ETA - 8:10 you have a f**ed up Cinebench Test part of the review ))

[@Kmarau]

Yeah the black screen :))) i see it too

[@JesseoftheShire]

Did the right angle adapter you order work and do you have a link? Doing a similar build with the AR900i, ordered it a couple weeks ago :)

[@AlexanderWaitZaranek]

I was interested in same. ❤

[@heirtothethrone000]

He didn't need it when he did the Ryzen 7 build because he used a slimmer fan so maybe go look at that build and the A900 build was in a whole different case.

[@AlexanderWaitZaranek]

@@heirtothethrone000 Turns out to be more complicated than that. I got two LZMOD A24-V5 cases and they had a slightly different power connector that works fine with the Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM. Meanwhile low profile fans (got two models) require you to offset the fan and even then don't quite work well. I will post something on Reddit over next week or two. And also happy to share my email if anyone wants to chat directly.

[@heirtothethrone000]

@@AlexanderWaitZaranek Well I know he did offset the slim fan on the BD770i and got good temps from the video of the build he did. Personally I may get the case but go with a mobo and the 12C 7900x to avoid the whole issue and still give myself an upgrade path even if it cost me a little bit more money.

[@AlexanderWaitZaranek]

@@heirtothethrone000 I've never built a machine so building two was fun for me. BD790i seems great so far. I need to confirm I have good temps and my Gen5 SSDs (2x2TB 14.5GB/s!) actually work as expected. My build is a very unusual quad OCuLink setup in place of graphics card. So a bit unusual.

[@andymuzzo8568]

Dang I need one of them. Awesome build

[@amei_G80_BmwM3]

So you can just chuck this into your back pack and now it’s a portable pc in a body of a console but it’s smaller ?

[@mike_t_007]

Yup! Plug it up to any TV and keep the party going...if you have a portable monitor even better

[@peppaz]

Awesome build

[@bot2k6]

Do you make budget itx builds?

[@telostia]

if u go with a bd770 version and add a less power gpu, u could get away with a cheaper budget but it's stil not that cheap. cheap and powerful requires used parts. Or u can just wait til they have this on super clearance in a few years

[@blion3d]

this mini pc is amazing!!!!

[@tak-tical_gaming]

Ohhhhh gonna have to watch this one 🤯

[@TheDomis4]

Me: oh, thats a big PSU Case. Wait, thats not a PSU Case

[@rileyhance318]

Youre probably better off using a normal mini itx board with a 7800x3d. This 16 core cpu cant even lock a 4060 at 100% utilization. And the 7800x3d would probably use less power too

[@axescar]

2 beers to this true expert! I think main goal was to mention this aio board from minis forum. Otherwise for a gaming rig 7800x3d is the best

[@netnomad47]

7700 is 65watt

[@axescar]

​@@netnomad47so what? You can configure any modern CPU according to your cooler

[@rileyhance318]

@@axescar ik but the 7800x3d is around 50w regardless of how big your cooler is. And it provides equal or greater performance as a 14900k pulling 3 times more power

[@rileyhance318]

@@netnomad47 7800x3d provides more performance while drawing less. Fully maxed out my 7800x3d is pulling 50w in game. Where the 7700 would be at 65w and if you want to get the most performance you would use pbo to let it use more. 7800x3d doesn’t benefit from more power which makes it perfect for small systems

[@MrButuz]

I've got one of these on the way can't wait. Gonna build a bigger case with a more powerful gpu than this tho as I think this mobo deserves to be 1440p or 4k.

[@Collin_J]

Definitely needs some case feet (if the case doesn't come with any). You can grab a set of 4 "bumper pads" for a few bucks at most hardware stores and stick them to the bottom

[@BrandonJMoradel]

I’ll definitely need to try this for my travels💯💯

[@CYGAN19911]

this is just ok your components will cook xd

[@ytuser2093]

Great vid 👍

[@johnballesta2544]

I feel like you could convince Nvidia to do a 4070 LP

[@nib4cob]

Its the most power efficient desktop you could build at the moment. The card supports only pcie 4.0 x8 while the motherboard supports pcie 5.0 x16.

[@kuyache2]

I dream of owning the same specs as this PC you build but with just a 7800x3d/8700G! Someday I probably will when funds arrive on my bank account... Your videos keeps me dreaming thank you!

[@gucky4717]

Quite big. My SFF PC has 5,5L in volume, but it can fit a desktop 7950X3D (with power limit) and a full size (smallest on the market) 4070. PSU is a simple non-modular 600W FLEX-ATX with shortend cables and small noctua fan for quieter operation (does limit power to ~400W to prevent overheating).

[@mitlanderson]

Case?

[@gucky4717]

@@mitlanderson Densium 4+ V1, not available anymore. The V2 is available at Overtek.

[@TheGameBench]

I really do wish this case were easier to get. I hate having to use Ali Express to buy any of these super small ITX cases.

[@ALmaN11223344]

This case is actually 5.045 liters and not 4.8L, they've likely advertised the interior dimensions in an attempt to make it look better than it is. Being 5L puts it firmly in the class of the Velka 5, a case that can fit a 4070 Ti Super and however much CPU you're comfortable running at 95C. If you don't care about graphics as much the Velka 3 is under 4 liters (legitimately) and it still manages to fit a full height dual slot ITX card so it'll do a 4060 Ti where this case only does a 4060.

[@SlickOnTop]

Hopefully,people I'll look at this video and build one for themselves.

[@phoenics2465]

Still waiting for ETA to build in the FormD T1 case

[@professorh8398]

I really wish they put vent holes on the bottom of the front (button-side) panel with the same looking holes. It would be underneath the psu mounting.

[@yuraymarstewart]

Awesome build! Would this also run iRacing and F1 24? 🏁

[@EvGeniy-ez9kt]

2 4K monitors 144 Hz will work? ( not game )

[@GAME-ON-333]

4:05 crt me It says 500 watts, but only 396 watts are on the 12v rail. Does this mean that only 396 watts are supplied to the 8-pin connector, or is it the overall power supply unit? so, the 500 watts came by adding all 100+396+3.6+12.5 512.1? am so confused how psu are calculated

[@JFlogerzi]

yes correct. the PC uses some power from the 3 volt and 5 volt rails. Most of the 12 volt rail is for the GPU connectors

[@steve7720]

🤔 put this in a backpack with a portable power station. Get a portable monitor and controller and put it all together, and now you have the Most powerful handheld. 😅

[@BrandonJMoradel]

That was my idea too💯💯🔥🔥

[@thatguyfromca]

Just buy a gaming phone for travel

[@chaosfury2016]

Minisforum have a AMD Ryzen power windows tablet out. I'm buying one at the end of the month. Hope the internal drive is easy to upgrade.

[@lllongreen]

​@chaosfury2016 you can not replace the ssd

[@Ruiso7]

That is not a handheld though, like it has to hold the whole thing on the hands to be a handheld, the name saids it all....

[@Devil_Inside_LV]

Cooler partially covers the smaller cooler. No wonder it is loud.

[@danebeee1]

This with a 7945x3d would be killer. I wonder if they make this all in one mobo eith that chip. It’s crazy to me how more gaming laptops don’t use that 7945x3d because it kills the 14900hx in almost every game.

[@Anpanator]

I don't think they use liquid metal for the CPU. I've seen people disassemble it on the Minisforum discord and there was a plaster-like thermal "paste" used that was hard and brittle. I haven't checked my BD790i yet, though.

[@kelariusable]

I just bought one and they absolutely use thermal adhesive, not liquid metal. I would strongly recommend anyone that gets one of these take the cooler off and replace that crap with something better, PTM or thermal paste if possible.

[@Anpanator]

@@kelariusable In the meantime I disassembled mine: Yep, definitely not liquid metal. Switching it out for PTM7950 improved temps a lot. It was no longer thermally throttling either and actually sustained the 100 W package power limit.

[@MrVayolence]

I will be subscribing

[@andresvaldevit3692]

I did not know about minisforum motherboards

[@KevinCheung-e2l]

Somebody know the wallpaper from ? appreciate

[@Gonzo6o]

Wish i could afford something like this.

[@GTRdeamon]

Cool little toaster pc. For any one wanting to use RTX 4060 LP in there build. I will reccoment to go for the asus rtx 4060 LP BRK over the gigabyte card. Reason is the asus card runs up to 6-8 degrees celsius cooler than the gigabyte card and also for those that like to overclock. Asus card allows you to raise stock power target from 115 watt to 127 watt while the gigabyte card is locket to 115 watt. I have both of these LP cards, that´s how i know this. The asus card can be a little bit more exspensive over the gigabyte, but in my opinion it´s worfh it.

[@heirtothethrone000]

But how much difference is performance is there.... Probably not any

[@midwesternpickle]

I've started getting the itch to update my rig but it's a custom watercooled 9900k+2080 Super with 2x360mm radiators and it still works really well. And it's SO QUIET! I want to go small but I prioritize silence. And I've got a 3440x1440 ultrawide so way more pixels to push. Maybe another couple of GPU generations will get me a graphical upgrade while also downsizing.

[@DengueBurger]

Man I wish their other CPU was still in stock. This 16 core build is a productivity beast, but I would prefer to save some money and get a better match with the 4060 like the 77XXh 8-core CPU they sold out of.

[@Ruiso7]

The motherboard was even moved down a bit, they should have made the PSU cable cut out to go on the top of the I/O, would have been perfect.

[@heirtothethrone000]

He used a thicker fan that he did on the builds with the BD770i and AR900 which created the problem if you go look at his other builds like this

[@atoo7yt490]

cute setup

[@RayRiv73]

that mobo cpu combo cost just as much as my mid range pc lol

[@Xeonzs]

6:15, I understand the allure of having it stand upright, but choking the GPU of any fresh air doesn't seem like a good longterm idea, so to keep it temp friendly I'd personally just put it flat in this scenario, at least there's mesh on the side (actually top) panel, so it can still get fresh air in from there. I'd definitely consider this if building something ITX, sure you sacrifice some future upgrade paths by having an onboard CPU, size limit due the case and power capacity due to PSU size, but these are acceptable compromises when trying to build so small and compact. I also find it very enjoyable to build such small machines and trying to make sure they're still good performance per dollar but also not too loud / hot, I only got into it recently though, I always just went with midi towers, but then I wanted less space to be taken, and felt like ATX cases just waste so much space, plus ITX coolers and AIOs make it much more feasible these days to make a good rig, same with the existence of decent slim fans.

[@brennanIX]

This is probably THE BEST "mini" PC I've ever seen. The first one thar doesn't feel gimped with too much tradeoff to fit things in. At least with the CPU. It's a perfectly capable CPU all around for most uses. However, the one lacking spot is the 4060. I think it's just not a capable enough GPU for most modern gaming. I think a 4060 ti is about the lowest viable gaming GPU. Building anything lower than that just seems kind of a waste to me.

[@mrstanlez]

Nice PC. If this mobo support Debian or ArchLinux I will go for it.

[@linuxpirate]

The NVME slots are gen5.

[@nickjacobsss]

This is cool, but makes the Velka 3 even more impressive to me. 3.9L, uses desktop CPU, can fit a 4060ti

[@partofanempire]

I suspect that even when turned off it is warmer than mine while working 🤨

[@glancevincent]

Noticed the temps were around the 80+ mark. Seems to be OK. But interesting.

[@jameshowlett8521]

Which industrial noctua fan did you use? 2000rpm or 3000 rpm?

[@Vaporus01]

I have the same question.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

thats a12f or smth, yes 3000rpm max, its dead silent compared to 14cm thermalright on it side

[@Just_Joseph_King]

My dream pc

[@aminesga8652]

can you try high end emulation on this cpu ( specifically rpcs3 with hard to run games like GoW 3 and ascension )

[@Adebobuyisegun]

Nice build. But the link to the motherboard isn't working

[@Spyke_misc]

The case is not 80 bucks for men, morel ike 120, but i do like this one a lot, only issue is future availability of low profile gpu

[@gamereditor59ner22]

This is awesome!! Can it run on Type 1 hypervisor?..🤔

[@exodous02]

Not sure if you have a 3D printer or not but I was wondering if you could use some 3D printed cases out. Printables has a few and some other sites with 3D models. When I go to look at your builds the cases you use are either a lot of $$$ or are sold out. If you used a printable case this wouldn't be a problem.

[@numbthumbhero8529]

Just did a mini ITX build, lol i wish id known about that minisforum mobo. In hindsight, buying it would have been worth the trouble i went through with the gigabyte b650i ultra and the fractal ridge. It was difficult to find a cooler that would fit around gigabyte’s enormous heat sink but still be short enough for my case.

[@MichaelSkinner-e9j]

Excellent Build! If you put this set up in a full tower case, and used PCI NVMe adapters, I wonder how many SSD’s you could cram into it for mass storage (not including a NAS)

[@mimo5383]

With the next AMD APU you can ditch the 4060 and go for an even smaller case!

[@andreiloghin]

Great video and quite detailed. I might hop on the mini ITX and sff builds train 😅....but before I do, can you tell me please what model is the Monitor? Thx

[@TheLaptopreviewer]

Would you recommend doing this over the 8700g build you did?

[@huynhdanny4623]

the BD790i seems to suffer from the problem that the BIOS doesn't save the setting after being disconnected from power. Does your unit have the same issue?

[@NonStopMixaTron]

Can you post the dimensions of that motherboard with that noctua fan installed? I am really liking these.

[@voidisciple2759]

nice if I was going to use this I would probably put it on some feat so those gpu fans can get good pull from the bottom. 4 little bolts with rubber caps could probably just lock into to the corner vent holes. Also its just speculation but if you then reversed the cpu fan so it blows out and give it a noctua shroud so it exhausts straight out the case it would mean more airflow into the gpu as well. It seemed to perform well enough without it but I can't help but feel you were starving that thing if you benchmarked it in the same position it was shown.

[@andrivector]

im interested to build PC like this

[@BurningDrake39]

very interessting type of product

[@MindzEye03rd]

Thoughts on the Apevia PSU? Not a lot of reviews on it.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

looks like oem is big name, not sure which

[@harveysmith4424]

When will minisforum release a version of this with the 3D chip is what I’m wondering.

[@ken90017]

Is this better than buying an itx, noctua low profile cooler, 2 regular ram sticks and the same processor?

[@YermolenkoUA]

I didn't know that BD790i has liquid metal under the cooler. Is it the same for BD770i that I already purchased?

[@ezclap3301]

Hey ETA Prime, can you do a GEEK M21 MINI-ITX CASE build.

[@Revilo62RAWR]

Helldivers 2 doesn't have dlss... How were you testing with dlss balanced?

[@MrPittStone]

I love that mini pc builds. Specialy with this better GPU than the build in ones. What I don't like is the lack of a 2.5 HDD. M.2 SSD is good but only affordable up to 2TB (So you have maximal "4TB" inclusive Windows). I prefer an M.2 "1TB" for the operating system and a 2.5 HDD with "5TB" (for only 100,-). Here you would have to use external hard drives again.

[@heirtothethrone000]

This case holds up to two laptop SSDs between the front of the case and the flex power supply

[@MrPittStone]

@@heirtothethrone000 Interesting. Sounds very good.

[@videosuu300]

Did you had issues with the noice from the psu fan? I made a similar build with a similar psu before, and the fan was super loud. Even much louder compared to a gaming laptop

[@videosuu300]

@@NicholasGogel Yes I just updated my comment jaja, mine was 600w which was kinda overkill and couldn't replace the fan

[@Megatog615]

$80 for that case? Are you kidding me?

[@chocotaco2305]

More like $125

[@vladislavdonchev1271]

When your PC specs sound like those of a high-performance race car. What a time to be alive!

[@maggi98mw]

Why did you go with an APU instead of a CPU if you are using a dedicated GPU anyways?

[@Movie2207]

Cost estimate?

[@Vaporus01]

looks like $1200-1400 for the tower