This you CAN'T Film in Public

Great point by @thejoeyswoll - you can't film things like this in a gym for your "dos and don'ts" videos.
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[@leonnunhofer3453]

Imo gyms should ban cameras and filming 🤷‍♂️

[@pawelnotts]

I disagree. I had an online trainer from another country and I often had to send him videos of my training so he could assess if I'm doing them correctly.

[@laceandwhisky]

​@@pawelnottsyes that's fine but shouldn't include others. The gym should have policy in the gym for this as the other person's pay for use of the gym and should have their privacy covered 😊

[@ts757arse]

There are multiple ways around this. If you want to film, you either angle the camera towards a wall, etc, or you have to set up a privacy screen. The gym makes two available for those who absolutely must film themselves. But, ultimately, I think anyone filming should have the responsibility to ensure there is no incidental intrusion into the privacy of others. Remembering that anyone who publishes a video is then making that available for anyone else to use. Another option is to say it's fine for personal use but anyone who is found to be publishing is liable to a mahooooosive penalty charge.

[@pawelnotts]

@@laceandwhisky yup, I was always trying to be respectful of that by going very late when there's hardly anyone in.

[@RaymondWilliams-uu1ns]

Yes. Train, wash&go!

[@rjb10101]

Gym's should ban all photography/videos is their premises.... Too many Toxic narcissists wanting clicks

[@DJWESG1]

Clicks? That wasn't a typo?

[@user-go2sx9vc2r]

Just put up a sign saying there is a £600 filming fee and say they have to make an application. It will put most people off. Then you can turn down those who will be a problem. Probably no one will film.

[@davidhooper1767]

That'll be up to the gym not you.

[@user-go2sx9vc2r]

@@davidhooper1767 it is an idea for the gym.

[@gontmawr5010]

Lol...ye, and lose 95% of their customers? Why do you think most of them go to the gym? They are posers. It is what they do and who they are. I dare you to try and take away their audience...i double dare ya.

[@r4vr4c]

Remember the days before mobile phones and people just got on with their lives and didn't film everyone else's actions and didn't care what everyone else was doing? I miss those days

[@jeffcreed365]

The 80s and 90s were GOLD...Seriously GOLD!!!

[@noelward8047]

CCTV ? They have been watching your every move for years.

[@supertouring22]

​@@noelward8047 us, as you're included too

[@r4vr4c]

@@noelward8047 At what point did I mention or the video mention CCTV? which falls under GDPR

[@areyoustupid.....]

​@noelward8047 ...not the same dummy!

[@leonnunhofer3453]

Women filming themselves in the gym to promote their OF is bad enough, but shaming others while doing so, or accusing men of behaving in an inappropriate way, is clearly a no-go. Imo they should ban cameras, maybe they can have an area, where filming is allowed, that's up to the gym, but they should protect their customers better from being filmed during workout. It's more, than just annoying. Some men got accused of being a creep, and it caused them serious trouble...

[@rudolfst3367]

Not like it's just women doing it.

[@rudolfst3367]

@@richardshortall5987 Accusing dudes of being creeps - sure. Being annoying - no.

[@tgheretford]

There are now laws on the books to deal with "creeps", whether its sex-based harassment in public or online safety. A lot of the complaints boil down to "an unattractive man is in my presence or has spoken to men and this makes me feel offended and caused me alarm". The law hasn't been tested in a court of law yet to my knowledge but it's only a matter of when, not if.

[@secondchance6603]

Ban wearing super tight clothing and go back to loose tops/t-shirts and shorts and all these camera (W)hores would disappear overnight.

[@sparagmos4748]

​@@rudolfst3367How is being creepy not annoying?!😮

[@Requestioner]

Joey Swoll is fighting the good fight against toxic gym culture. His channel is worth your support.

[@DemiGod..]

He gets alot of backlash by feminsists though. They call him sexist , mysoginist and say he puts women's safety at risk in gyms.

[@lesley4085]

@@DemiGod..Thats very unfortunate. I follow Joey and must have missed those comments, all I ever see is women supporting him in the comments, more power to him 😊

[@bugsy742]

@@DemiGod..well yeah gaslighting is a common tactic by self absorbed narcissists! 👍🤝

[@axelfond8317]

​@@lesley4085Absolutely. There's more women that support him, sometimes people focus on the minority because they happen to be the loudest

[@cheesball96]

Yep agreed love his work

[@eroero830]

People go to the gym to get fit by putting themselves through things they find difficult and strenuous, it's actually a place where many people feel incredibly vulnerable, and having someone filming there is not exactly welcome.

[@S.Trades]

And just wait till it's posted online!

[@fairplayer7435]

Facts. There's people who will never step out of a gym wearing the same clothes that they workout in. It should be okay to be lightly dressed because you are not out in the main street. But the modern culture .....

[@Norfolkbiker50]

Yet every gym I've been in in the last 20 years has cctv, I fail to see the difference?

[@johnridout6540]

@@Norfolkbiker50 There are some obvious differences. 1) You've consented to the CCTV as part of your membership. 2) It's not going to be posted online.

[@BobbyBiz]

@@Norfolkbiker50you fail to have any common sense then

[@colcostello160]

I walk in the way of people filming themselves on purpose ☺

[@kanedNunable]

there is a good video of people doing exactly that in a comedy fashion. v good.

[@laragara]

​@@kanedNunableWould like to see that!!!

[@debbiebolton4818]

My mother made that a habit, goodness knows how many third party holiday pics she is in, she wasn't deliberate however just oblivious. I remember a particular "god darn it" when she ambled across the line of a chap photographing his family, now plus my mother, in front of the Statue of Liberty.

[@junk_rig_sailor1698]

@colcostello160 Brilliant! I think I am going to start doing that!

[@Rhyd]

Gyms are not just for got getting "fit" they're a necessity for many people dealing with and recovering from health conditions not just physical but mental health issues like depression. You expect a level of privacy, to have your images taken just to knock your ability would be heart-breaking even to the strongest willed person, let a lone someone with significant issues. I would say Gyms are also failing to protect their customers, I would also be interested to see if Gyms are ever challenged on their ability to protect customers from private filming.

[@DeusNyx]

This is more common than anyone thinks. I've quit 2 gyms now, over the past 4 years(I wont name these well known big brand gyms that are opened 24/7. Im in the UK btw.), just because tik tok'ers have set 2 tripods with their filming equipment, so they can live stream their workout. No one is given any warning, or any heads up by staff to say, "There's someone filming back there." The members have just assumed they can do this. Thing is, I dont want my face plastered over the background of a tik tok'ers vid - or used by them to get clicks and likes.

[@johnhammond4214]

and they are tying up machines for ages, so other members can;'t use them and complete their workouts

[@mickieg1994]

Not to mention the fact that you could glance over to see what the hell it is that they're doing and end up being shared online as a creep or some such, just for looking at the nutcase recording themselves Instead of exercising

[@DeusNyx]

@@mickieg1994 AMEN!

[@DeusNyx]

@@johnhammond4214 So true! I waited 30 mins for a tik toker to finish with the lat pull over: setting up her cameras(two of them!), do the sets, talk and explain to her audience, move the cameras to the next machine.

[@KiwiCatherineJemma]

@DeuxNyx. Hopefully as you quit those 2 gyms, you told the Management WHY you were quitting. I've never been in a gym in my life and I hope I never do enter one, HOWEVER it seems to me that any filming should be organised in advance with permission from the gym management and some form of warning by the entrance. eg "Please note Video/Audio recording from 10am-11am in the SouthWest corner around the NeckSnapper 5000 machine". I have attended conventions where in the fine print, the management reserve the right to make recordings, for use for their own publicity purposes.

[@user-cr3py6py6j]

During my chemo treatments in hospital a man was documenting his wife during her entire treatment. The oncology nurses told him he must ensure to not be be capturing any other patients or goings on on the floor. They had to chastise him a few times as he turned his camera. Filming should not be permitted unless they were in an enclosed space 100% alone. The nurses are there to administer care to patients, not to feed the needs of one couple re filming and having to keep on eye on him (non patient).

[@howardgregory3888]

Very poor and selfish behaviour. Having accompanied my partner to her Chemo appts I know how vulnerable patients are at that point in their treatment. I still hope she makes a full recovery as it’s a long journey.

[@user-cr3py6py6j]

@@howardgregory3888 🙏💙 Wishes for strength and healing.

[@silverdale3207]

@@howardgregory3888 Same, Wouldn't have dreamed of filming her, it was stressful enough on both of us without that, some things better left private. Hope your partner is doing OK.

[@HuplesCat]

Bad management. I was the night manager of a major Canadian hospital. You want to film? All care is only done if urg3nt and done silently. That stops it

[@Adeleisha]

Filming should not be allowed in hospitals at all.

[@stevewood7884]

Narcissists will do anything for clicks, even at the expense of others.

[@chris-4566]

There are notices up on the wall in my gym which expressly say “NO VIDEOING”. It’s a rule which should be enforced, and is in my gym. Most youngsters (mainly girls) just can’t get through a day without videoing themselves or taking a pouting selfie. It’s an addiction.

[@howardlam6181]

Well, I do film myself to check if I have developed bad quirks or if I'm doing a new techqniue correctly sometimes.

[@chris-4566]

@@howardlam6181 Or you could ask an experienced member of staff. They love it when you seek their advice.

[@S.Trades]

The staff are too weak to stop it (ironically) and dont want to lose members or generate complaints (ironically).

[@edcarson3113]

​@@howardlam6181that's what the mirrors are for.

[@psims7342]

do i need a sign on my wall in my house to say "no videoing"? its no different.........

[@FirstMM]

A gym is supposed to be a safe space, not a filming stuidio. One of the main reasons for people not going to gym's is the fear of ridicule, which is exactly what is happening here. You also pay a membership, which means it is not a public space. If this individual has given them permission then they should specifically state this, otherwise they might as well say "come to the gym to be ridiculed". Sick.

[@Dani-it5sy]

0:55 Imagine putting so much effort into making yourself look so stunning. And than immediately waste it and make yourself look ugly by your actions or when opening your mouth. I see a lot of women do that. I am like: WOW stunning 😍 And then one sentence later: Never mind 😜

[@proudpict2057]

They often say beauty is only skin deep, yet ugliness goes to the bone!

[@Tailspin80]

Is his how shallow your life is?

[@Dani-it5sy]

@@Tailspin80 I found one ⬆️

[@goodyeoman4534]

@@Tailspin80 OP is absolutely correct, and I think you're one of the types he/she was describing. Or maybe you wish you were.

[@Tailspin80]

@@goodyeoman4534 I’m a hairy arsed old git who pre-dates this obsession with goldfish lips, false boobs, selfies and obsessing over your social media 24/7. I agree that some of the Only Way is Essex types look like gods but sound like idiots when they open their mouths. My comment was really about the obligation to “make yourself look stunning”. Not sure why the algorithm fed me this video.

[@Dani-it5sy]

Gyms hardly do anything to stop this. I asked the gyms in my place here in Norway and I even got told they can not ban filming. So I invested in a home gym and many men do. The gyms are in self destruction mode by not acting against this.

[@keithpop3097]

Of course they can ban photography on their own premises. They are lying to you.

[@nerojay2105]

@@keithpop3097they might be public gyms, but yeah private gyms can ban filming for sure.

[@Dani-it5sy]

@@richardshortall5987 I know. That's why I told them loud and clear I will not become a member as long as they don't ban cameras. Now that I have invested in a home gym and found out it's actually much nicer that way I won't become a member ever.

JD Gyms in the UK actively encourages people to film/photograph in the "changing rooms" by splashing their logo over mirrors promoting the gym through selfies.... you couldn't make this shit up.

JD Gyms in the UK actively encourages people to film/photograph in the "changing rooms" by splashing their logo over mirrors promoting the gym through selfies.... you couldn't make this up.

[@TheMSS1977]

Ban phones from gyms full stop. Return the focus.

[@eadweard.]

Cannot tell what you are trying to say.

[@DeusNyx]

Amen.

[@TheMSS1977]

@@eadweard. get off your phone and focus.

[@eadweard.]

@@TheMSS1977 Oh. Well that might be laudable advice, but I'm not sure it's the business of legislation.

[@pawelnotts]

I am focused with my phone, I have an app for recording what I'm doing incl reps, weight etc. It was much worse when I was rocking up with a pen and notepad.

[@fakecrusader]

The irony: the medium conveying the "Don't do that" opinion being a prime example of something you should not be doing.

[@robsmith1a]

I was filmed swimming in my local pool by Sky News about ten years ago - they were very careful to ensure nobody else was in shot

[@JoeKingAudits]

But they make loads of money and get sued all the time.

[@TheMSS1977]

Because.....lawyers.

[@sie4431]

They're professional

[@johnrhodes2367]

Simple solution to this. Ban all filming in gyms.

[@lastmanstanding5423]

I've got a better one: Ban all women in the gyms. Problem Solved.

[@rangerwhite5165]

Never mind the gym, I got kicked out of our gym swimming pool. Was wearing a pair of Speedo and didn't realise the S had worn off..

[@noelward8047]

You have made the most sensible comment.

[@ShipCreek]

😂🤣

[@Tailspin80]

Was it in Scunthorpe by any chance?

[@rangerwhite5165]

@@Tailspin80 No, Leeds. Uh uh uh uh, lovely lovely, Shawaddywaddy!🤣🤣

[@wanderingwilliam5031]

Deserves a lot more likes, that's brilliant haha.

[@iSheree]

Beauty comes from within. What happened to people minding their own business. That woman in the background didn’t ask for an opinion let alone for this to be uploaded to the internet shaming her. Absolutely disgusting. This is one of the reasons why I am afraid to go to the gym with my disabilities.

[@amandah2490]

Filming should be banned by all gyms, full stop.

[@noelward8047]

Where else would you like filming to be banned ?

[@lesley1174]

@@noelward8047 Anywhere 'frauditors' go to cause antagonism for a start. In fact frauditing should be banned TBH. Havn't seen you for a while Noel, hope you keeping well, have you got over belfields sentence yet?

[@DJWESG1]

How will I feed my ego if im unable to film myself in a gym with the obligatory over sized bottle of unnamed liquid / protein supliment.

[@goodyeoman4534]

And selfies every thirty seconds. Token headphones with tinny tuneless "music".

[@trueriver1950]

You should be using a bottle of NAMED drink and include a sponsored link. Don't you know anything? ... Sarcasm, by the way, for anyone who didn't pick that up 😉

[@goodyeoman4534]

@@trueriver1950 The over-sized water bottle with unnamed liquid is a trend thing. See it at my work even. Mostly fatties and the unfit walking round with them. They probably think I'm "boring" for re-using an old Evian bottle lol. But I run a sub 40 10k and they struggle to bend down.

[@EuroWarsOrg]

Phones should be banned from gym's! I hate it when they sit on a piece of equipment hogging, doing nothing on it for a whole hour while they text and browse

[@Swan67-zw9jo]

Agreed. It makes ppl far less sociable as they sit on qym equipment for 30 mins whilst listening to podcasts etc

[@EuroWarsOrg]

@@Swan67-zw9jo or taking selfies! lol

[@steve00alt70]

they are changing songs and they are resting for 2 minutes due to doing powerlifting which needs at least a minimum of 1 or 2 minute rest to recover.

[@manofbeard]

Yep. I fell out with a guy a couple of years ago hogging a chest press machine. Just sat there playing games on his phone and people waiting to use the equipment! He really was an ahole about it too!

[@manofbeard]

@@steve00alt70not all of them.

[@GregUK1972]

was filmed in the background of the male changing room (i did ask the guy to stop) @jdgyms complained to the manager who then did nothing. The guy still films in the changing room and JDGyms do nothing

[@sperestillan]

Then the manager needs to be reported as their own rules state: 'Please, no paparazzi! You must not capture any photos or videos of other members in the gym without their consent.' Additionally, to the best of my knowledge filming in the changing room is illegal, as you have an expectation of privacy.

[@GregUK1972]

The manager is USELESS saw him the other day with a guy who was topless posing in front of one of the mirrors on the gym floor 🤷🏻‍♂️ JDGyms management are just kids.

[@hardlines2635]

@@richardshortall5987I’m breaking his jaw.

[@CastleHassall]

back in the 1970s people used to just punch guys who were hugely disrespectful like that

[@graphicmaths7677]

@@CastleHassall These days you can guarantee someone else will film the altercation. Tiktok gold that is!

[@deano_bites]

The good old days of the Gym was very different then we see today !

[@sarjannarwan6896]

Social media people I think ruin it for everyone else. I record myself and only share it with my trainer to improve form (and try super hard to make sure no one else is in the shot). I think recording yourself can be super helpful for building good form as I often notice I'm doing things that I don't from a first person view. People like this though... If someone's got bad technique why wouldn't you go up to them and help them out? wtf is with all this shaming, people already feel self-concious enough.

[@TheMSS1977]

1:00 disrespectful society.

[@JoeKingAudits]

Yeah, it's not the best. BBB has made this far too serious.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@JoeKingAudits But it is serious and has led to many gym goers getting banned because of these mainly but not always, female 'influencers' getting offended and complaining about it, resulting an ban for the member who's the focus of their vitriol on that visit.

[@jdgoesham5381]

Yea it's not public, it's a private business. you should have permission to film inside and I can't wait till all gyms make ppl ask for permission. I'm so sick of women ruining the gym. I'm 100% fine and happy with women in the gym unless they think it's time to make movies and not just come work out then leave. For one it slows down their workouts and they take up stations MUCH longer than is normal and it makes us ALL have to be at the gym longer.

[@JoeKingAudits]

Publicly accessible in laws eyes

[@steve00alt70]

but publically accessible

[@andysims4906]

A couple years ago I bought a professional CCTV hard drive recorder and cameras from a guy at a car boot sale . He said he was a shop fitter and all the stuff would’ve gone in the skip normally. He had loads of similar stuff . I’m sure he was genuine and it wasn’t stolen. When I set it up it had been used in a Gym . Quite a large gym and there was hours and hours of stuff of people doing what they do in gyms . At multiple camera angles and close ups .It just goes to show what happens to videos and pictures. The contents got wiped when I set it up in my own home..

[@amenaspecialist]

I bought a second hand Dedicated micros cctv DVR and again when I fired it up it had all the camera angles and footage from a Cash handling facility!! (think Securicor or Wells Fargo)

[@clivewiddall3430]

Mind you a pink camel toe is a bad technique!

[@JoeKingAudits]

Ok that’s funny

[@porkpie2884]

Yep it should have been another colour

[@sexygeek8996]

@@porkpie2884 All the ones I have seen are pink.

[@DavidGordon2468]

A Gym is not a public place so no filming without permission I would expect

[@Hammster_MCR]

I was just about to say the same thing 😊 I'm surprised that a barrister would use a misleading title for the video?!

[@Stuart_George]

It can still be classed as a public place even if payment/subs are required, as members of the public have access or permission to access. What matters is that it is still private property, and the owner can apply rules.

[@curiositycloset2359]

It is a public place, Its just the owner can throw you out.

[@JoeKingAudits]

It classed as public space in laws eyes tecniqually.

[@shanehumberstone5262]

@@curiositycloset2359it’s actually private with access granted for the public that’s why if need be they can ask you to leave

[@silver_BARON]

My local gym has signs up everywhere saying no camera use, no phone zone etc.. Women bring their phones into sauna / spa area and stream or FaceTime in there with scant regard for others. I’ve asked someone calmly and reasonably to stop using their phone and was subjected to vile aggressive abuse. This was a woman in her 30’s. Another member, a woman, went and got staff to intervene. The woman with her phone had no shame whatsoever.

[@dominicharvey6048]

The worst one is when they film people naked in the changing rooms and they post it uncensored. That's illegal.

[@bruceparker6142]

No way. People do that?

[@ireissistable]

Do you have a link?

[@qbear1045]

I work out in a crappy looking gym - very old. People rarely film there because it doesn't look great. It is one thing I like about my old, worn out gym. But legally in America they are not breaking the law by filming in the background in public but the gym may have a policy regarding filming like this and it could get you banned.

[@normanross3422]

Ya do gotta laugh that what she then does as the "correct" exercise is way stranger (and pointless since her body weight will be doing most of the work rather than her lower abs) than the person trying to do hanging knee raises.

[@justinko683]

Agree! There are too many tripods in my gym nowadays...

[@hardlines2635]

Tripod, my neighbours wife calls me that.

[@offal]

the gym is private not public, so if the rules of the gym say no then it`s no, I agree totally with you and Joey, this shit needs to stop. first thing cut all wifi access, and build a faraday cage into the room lol.

[@CalmingAnxiety]

Do you actually do any legal work anymore??? :) You release more content than I can comsume (and its getting in the way of my work flow...) Love it .

[@MrRaffles1234]

lol

[@eattherich9215]

@CalmingAnxiety: you can ignore it, but if you have all the impulse control of a child in a sweet shop, simply select the 'Don't recommend channel' option.

[@hairyairey]

Doesn't take long if you record in one take

[@josephrankin9406]

If you need to be a member to use a particular gym ... then it is NOT a public space and you WILL need permission to film. A private club is not a public place.

[@thewaywardgrape3838]

Question: Could the negative attention from being unknowingly filmed and posted online, be considered 'Defamation'. If the attention gained traction.

[@S.Trades]

No.

[@morganbartfield5457]

a gym isn't a public place, you usually have to be a member and pay to enter meaning the gym is privately owned.

[@InterruptedByFireW]

Somewhere can be private while still being a public space.

[@morganbartfield5457]

@@InterruptedByFireW however it is up to the owners the access that is allowed, ie some shopping centres dont allow public filming, and neither do job centres and both of them are publicly accessible.

[@InterruptedByFireW]

@morganbartfield5457 that's not what you were saying

[@morganbartfield5457]

@@InterruptedByFireW yes it is, public access, is not the same as a public place. a gym is privately owned but allows public access. a public place is somewhere like the street or a park etc. you dont need permission in a public place.

[@howardlam6181]

If you follow UK law, it is a public place

[@BobBobOnYouTube]

If you're not happy with people recording while you're in the gym, speak to the gym staff and tell them

[@yorkie75]

If a membership is required for a gym then it is NOT a public space and no one should be filming

[@HermieMunster]

What’s the legal recourse?

[@shabanatasleem3532]

Legally, no one is allowed to be filmed or monitored without their permission and consent as this is a violation of one’s right to privy! A fundamental human value, such “first world” 🌍 countries pride themselves on (by)!

[@porkpie2884]

@@shabanatasleem3532 FALSE! In a publicly accessible space anyone can legally film what ever their eyes can see.

[@shabanatasleem3532]

@@porkpie2884 Yes, in a public place they can! However, this isn’t universal because parents aren’t allowed to photograph or vid record children on Sports Day or special assemblies due to safeguarding concerns, for example. In one’s home (domestic sphere) equates a total breach and violation of one’s right to privy! It opens up an entire debate and moreover who has access to this video footage… GDPR and confidentiality comes to play here!

[@porkpie2884]

@@shabanatasleem3532 GDPR doesn't apply to members of the public

[@shabanatasleem3532]

@@porkpie2884 I’m alluding to the domestic arena. GDPR applies in the workplace, for example, those unauthorised to access (public/patient - in the case of medical notes) records and documents, shouldn’t be! Some, have accessed my records and those of my children in The Home Office (alluding to Passport records)! My HMRC records were accessed by a Richard!!! I shan’t name and shame or expose individuals guilty of such practices on SM! However, I wasn’t born yesterday and am aware of the sneaky practices that occur! Moreover, some forward certain docs to others in a covert capacity, using the mantra, “Watch or look at how she does it and do it like her!” This also has the potential for identity fraud!?!? What checks and balances are in place in the electronic age to ascertain the individual is who they state they are!?! None, whatsoever! Serious loopholes in the system!

[@user6c7mxkmg]

Why doesn't she simply film herself doing it wrong? Entitlement, the latest pandemic

[@JoeKingAudits]

I was thinking that. People are corrupt or just dumb. But we learn from her mistakes. We will get better. Social media has only been around for 20 years or so remember.

[@trader548]

Gyms should put up signs "No filming, no photography" on the walls.

[@donniehowattzer2759]

We don't know what that person did before the filming. Could be tired. Could be just too weak to perform that exercise with perfect form. Kudos to her for even getting into the gym.

[@laceandwhisky]

Same as car parks you pay and are covered by terms and conditions, if the gym has not got photography covered in their terms and conditions then they should have it added if you request it. You are paying for that privilege 😊

[@Pintkeeper984]

You shouldn’t be filming in a private business anyway. Now, if I was standing on a sidewalk looking through a window and filming this….. then what….?

[@DavidGordon2468]

Peeping Tom 😂

[@Hammster_MCR]

In theory you CAN film anything from the outside, from a public area. It's on the business owners to make sure that the "sensitive" areas inside cannot be seen / filmed.

[@TonyRule]

Asking for a friend?

[@eadweard.]

​​@@Hammster_MCRIs that really so? I don't think you can film into people's living rooms, for example, even if the curtains are open.

[@gimble447]

@@eadweard.a private home isn’t open to the public

[@nickthx1138]

Add to that she looked like she was pretending to film her abs but was actually capturing the other lady or ended up doing that which is duplicitous.

[@Nicalissimo]

Glad you bought this issue into the light!

[@Clearlight201]

I found your presentation on this a bit strange, forgive me, because while I totally agree this kind of filming is unpleasant and antisocial, mostly on your channel you've covered - very helpfully - what the LAW says, rather than just saying "you can't" do this. I think a lot of public filming is potentially inappropriate and intrusive but sadly the law says "you can" in many cases.

[@mattellis4176]

I may be wrong, but from a legal point my understanding is you can film in a public place, such as the street, although it is rude to film someone without them agreeing. However, the gym isn't a public space- it's private property where you have to pay for membership and in most private spaces you don't have the right to film. Happy to be corrected, but that's my understanding.

[@billyhowlett4541]

@@mattellis4176 The Gym is open to the public, which means it’s a public place

[@mattellis4176]

@@billyhowlett4541 no, I don't think that's correct. Public space means publicly owned, not that you find members of the public there. A gym is a private property, owned by a company, open to paying members. You're not a member of the public, you're a member at that point.

[@Elena-fe3os]

@@billyhowlett4541 it is a private business, opened to public. Same as stores, restaurants etc. They are considered public spaces, but, rules of the owners apply, not of a public space like the streets. Filming should be banned in gym. Should be allowed the use of devices if want to watch online trainers. Or, how many trainers do, record after hours.That woman could have recorded herself doing what she calls wrong, then what she calls right..not recording someone else. That is what many do when posting online

[@leonperry123]

The gym isn't a public space as you say. It is a private property whereby you're invited to use the gym. You can be removed from the gym for any reason whatsoever.

[@daulken]

Can you cite specific statues and case law here? I'm genuinely curious because while I've been following Joey forever and agree that this is reprehensible, I'm American (but live in the UK), and gym terms aside, most of the videos like this aren't illegal in the US. You're in public and while the property owner can kick you out, as an individual you would have no cause of action for someone using your likeness and technique in a video. This would be quintessential fair use. I'm really curious why, specifically, that would be different in the UK.

[@curiositycloset2359]

It's not, and even more lax here than the US.

[@aisukage1990]

Well he's not really saying it's illegal. He says it might be against terms of service of the actual Gym but even if it isn't then this is unacceptable behaviour. Also depending on what they do with your image in their video there might be something you can do but it fully depends on a case by case basis and depends on what they do exactly in the video to your image. As he said some gyms have cancelled memberships over behaviour like this.

[@daulken]

No, this is a channel with barrister in the name talking about how they haven't signed a release. I'm not looking for opinions here, I'm curious about the law. If you're unfamiliar with the law and just want to vent about how people shouldn't do this (I agree), but there are plenty of other comments to go reply to. Mine is about the law as that's clearly what's being implied here.

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@daulken he's suggesting you could be sued, in civil court. In no way is it illegal to film in a public place. I suppose they recently changed it, you can't film upskirts/down shirts anymore. That's about it.

[@stewartsherwood7769]

Gyms are not public places. So before filming, you'd need to find out what rules the establishment has.

[@thecsslife]

I find filming my workouts an excellent way for me to improve my lifting technique as I can see problems that I wouldn't have been aware of.

[@TellmewhyIdontlikeMondays]

I quit a gym because there were some young women filming in the changing rooms, a guy walked into me because he was on his phone and not looking where he was going, and constantly having to watch out for not being in the background of someone's live stream. Other gym goers are not your sources of personal validation or Instagram fodder.

[@michaeldoolan7595]

I'd ban phones from Gyms. I'm sick of waiting to get on a machine or bench while three idiots are texting then gawping at themselves in the mirror and occasionally lifting something. Gyms have gone from a place to train and then go to hang around and preen themselves.

[@andrewgilbertson5356]

Thank you

[@MrThuggery]

Hang on, if you can see it in public then you can record it period. Private places are quite different. A gym is not generally owned by the public, more privately owned.

[@ebikescrapper3925]

A gym is not a public space, it is a private space. When you join a gym you sign a contract, gyms can make no filming as part of the contract.

[@Bowesy253]

This has been really helpful to me. Thankyou #bbb black belt barrister ❤🎉

[@greenmedic88]

Video in gyms is a private business policy. Yes, each gym has to establish their rules of service/membership to include their video policy. If they want to make them clear, as they should, it will eliminate plausible deniability as a defense. "I didn't know I couldn't video" despite the signs at the entry, at the sign in desk, on the walls, etc. saying: "No Video". Violations of policy lead to removal from the premises. Repeat offenders can be denied service. If it's allowed, don't train there if you don't want to be accidentally (you were just in the background of the frame) or "accidentally" (recorded on the sly to be commented on and posted) recorded.

[@MACHOO179]

There are some Gyms in Italy where they have these pods with mirrors for you to take your pics in private with no one in the backgrounds,

[@notbadsteve]

I've had enough of people filming in public. This right they have to film anyone they like without permission is a massive invasion of privacy. There needs to be some law changes.

[@paulwestwood4417]

For an actor that is part of your production, you may need a Talent Release Form. Which is free to download from the BFI (British Film Institute). For models in still images, you need a model release form. Which is free to download from RPS (Royal Photography Society). But of cause you can have your own forms drawn up.

[@leesamardzija9165]

My mate says it's ridiculous in his gym with tripods everywhere

[@ghl3488]

The only thing being promoted in that video was the girl in the pink shorts, and specifically a certain part of her anatomy. Loos clothing should be mandatory in gyms.

[@echelon2k8]

You ask me, this is a kind of public shaming where the person being shamed and the narcissist doing the shaming isn't even aware of it.

[@Standard_Jay]

I quit my local commercial chain gym because I was fed up of this nonsense. Joined another gym locally which has less equipment but an older member base and none of this crap to contend with.

[@ruspj]

rules or not the person used as an example should at the verry minimum be aware that they are being filmed. no reason to even suspect they she knew she was being filmed.

[@robleeuknhl3345]

But you have to film and take pictures in the gym because we know its not about going to the gym , ts all about other people knowing you were at the gym

[@vhira]

You guys won’t believe this. At my gym some guy was video calling someone in the gym and he was showing him around the gym and he even showed the guy the changing rooms during the video call. I wish I could’ve complained but I go to a cheap commercial gym and so many people at commercial gyms are inconsiderate toward other members and the staff do not care. I think commercial gyms are just interested in overcrowding gyms and do not care about other gym members and the facilities.

[@Jello836]

I’m older and overweight and right now feel I will never go back to the gym. People filming in changing rooms as well as the gym.

[@UFO-Ark]

Please can you cover the legal situation with filming/photography in all public places -just thought I'd mention I've seen people videoing in the men's toilets which is rather exposed.

[@geozeo710]

As soon as I see someone take their phone out to 'check something' I know that they probably take 7-8 minutes between sets and hog a piece of equipment for way too long. Yesterday I did arms. Did 7 exercises total - 3 sets each. Meanwhile someone was doing crossovers for 50 minutes and did about 4 sets.

[@nigeldepledge3790]

OK, I get that gym membership comes with terms and conditions, and that this might violate those terms and conditions, but it's not really a public place, is it? If you can't go inside without being a member, then would the premises not be considered a private club or something along those lines?

[@psims7342]

i see people commenting how gyms should ban cameras, recording etc. the fact is they dont need to because gyms are not public places, they are private property (unless in the unlikely event they are owned by the council) and as such, permission must first be sought in order to film in the first place. people mistakenly believe that because a private premesis such as a shop or gym allows access to the public that it is therefore a public place - this is not true, its still private because it is privately owned and the person filming should not be filming in the first place because it is private property. no member of public has any legal right to film on private property

[@gavin.d.m]

I had to get a photo right waver signed by everyone in my photos for the National Trust, background or main focus.

[@2spoons]

Consent ..... Did you have their consent...? Filming, touching etc etc and produce a film from it.... is a big court case......

[@Salam_Damai431]

This is a good reason to work out in the privacy of your own home.

[@keithpop3097]

Am I correct in understanding that this is an example of a policy breach and but not a case unlawful filming?

[@latuafacilitanonsemplifica]

In a HMO / shared accommodation (apartment with totally unrelated people renting a room and sharing communal areas) is it allowed to film with the phone in the shared communal areas (corridor, kitchen)? The police can authorize one of the flatmates to record videos in the communal areas for months / permanently "because she feels unsafe" (with no real reason to feel unsafe)?

[@carlhaydock1787]

I’ve been training for over 20yrs and NEVER filmed or needed to. For those who are saying they need it to record their technique, your own body will tell you

[@markleeming1786]

There is another problem that is not helped by all the camera's and videos, I used my ability to use a gym in another area, Bradford UK, There were not many in there with my light coloured skin and it seemed that the females had to use a separate area behind wooden screens ! If a female influencer did appear in the gym it was like a wild nature program with a large herd following her about. I was glad to get back to my home gym where males and females could exercise in safety.

[@enoughisenough-nf8qz]

I was in the gym I belong to ,I was there about 45 mins and in that time a young lady spent most of that time sat on the floor in the squat rack on texting etc on her phone ,I think she did about 3 sets in that time.....everytime I go people are spending more time on their phones then actually working out ...

[@TigerTiger-dh2vr]

Filming yourself anywhere for likes, and including others just for content, seems to me, to be very childish and shows an extremely insecure person in need of validation. Joey Swoll is doing a commendable job calling these people out. Ban the cameras and leave the gyms for those who wish to train.

[@kilcar]

Simple solution: no photography in a gym orbath or changing area! Leave the phone in the bloody locker

[@phillwainewright4221]

I would suggest that inside a gym ISN'T a 'Public Place', because gyms require membership.

[@Bowesy253]

❤ Brilliant

[@paul8972]

A gym in Liverpool charge £50 if you want to film i bet that stopped it 😅

[@chriswhitehead5658]

Idea for a video:- Many auditors are saying that it is the law for the police to immediately disclose that their body cam is recording. Is this the law with regards to GDPR etc or just their policy? What is the ramifications of failing to tell someone and relying on that evidence in court?

[@feelgoodhypnosis]

My understand was any area, inside a building or outside, where you must pay to get in, is not classed as a 'public area', and as such you need to gain permisison from the organiser (as well as the individuals) - is that not correct?

[@eppy5630]

we just need one lawsuit against any gym and this will stop it all.

[@borisj]

Phones out. Full stop. Out of gyms, out of concerts. You are addicted.

[@WelshChappie]

Question. Could you do a video about Pre charge bail and the process as it relates to the procedure if the bail period expires and police have not applied for extension? The reason I ask is that as I understand it, if no extension authorised before the current APB has expired, then I've read that there are two possible outcomes. The first is that upon expiry without extension or charge, then there no longer a case to answer. The second seems counter intuitive in that if Bail period expires with no extension or charge, it simply switches by default to RUI. The reason I say counter intuitive is that pre charge bail is there, among other things, to ensure that investigations are carried out in an expeditious manner and that seems pointless if let's say, after 6 months of being subject to pre charge with or without conditions the police simply let the bail expire just to revert to RUI where your now, potentially, subject to be under investigation indefinitely. This is open to abuse by police imo because if they have seized your property then Bail limits the time they have to charge or no further action and if charged you'll have a court date so you will at least know that your property will be returned after the court finalised the matter, or CPS say no further action. In the scenario where you on bail for 3/6/9 months and police decide they just want to be awkward and keep your property for another 4 years (if the offence is either way or indictable only) then what is stopping them just letting the bail expire to switch you to RUI so they have no time constraint? Cheers. Hope you would consider a short video on this to explain the process as I feel it's very open to abuse by police.

[@jeronehipplewith]

Is there any real expectation of privacy in the gym that members of the public use? One of the other comments mentions CCTV which is also in public Gyms. Would this not fall under the loophole of implied consent?

[@seanbarker9272]

Bullying people for trying to get in shape tells you a bit about these influencer types

[@mradventurer8104]

There are also people who are overweight or not trained and want to start going to the gym. It would put them off if everybody is walking around with a camera. And then even those who are well trained may not want to be filmed. It's not a public place but a place you pay to go to.

[@jonathanhill9748]

Most gyms have a no photography policy. Even without one, you would have a legitimate expectation of privacy. With one, that is cast iron. This is particularly an issue for women, but applies to everyone. It’s a clear GDPR breach as well.

[@Haalandisinjured]

Question, if you are in a private gym and are filming for your KZbin channel which is monetised does this not fall under GDPR in anyway in that your business (monetised KZbin channel) holds personal data of the subjects within the content? Would those KZbinrs be subject to GDPR policy or is it a stretch.