Thorin's Thoughts - Greatness Is Not Linked to Clutch Ability (CS:GO)

[@ArchonsGame]

Thorins intro routine: 1. Turn on webcam 2. Trip on shady substances 3. $krilla in hand

[@DREAMWORKERSKY]

THE MAD MAN HAS DONE IT AGAIN

[@gnomehanslan1430]

I think you got it in reverse, mate.

[@bobjohnson5062]

Cool video idea for you Thorin : compare the greatest players of all time from different esports. It could be interesting for people who only follow certain esports to get some insight into their favorite player's "equivalent" in other games.

[@robertgordon7983]

Thorin you need to see a specialist

[@bayerinthewoods]

Usually I get intros and references/the humor. This one was the exception.

[@DaveSP196]

It's a reference to fans, especially football fans, chanting in the live situation.

[@samrosenberg67]

Bayer In The Woods you kinda had to be British or Irish to know that without prior knowledge

[@NadeKing]

clutchmeister has it both :)

[@lauritsbje5263]

NadeKing truee😉

[@NarcolepticNerdProductions]

These intros are ridiculous. Literally the best advertisement I have ever seen.

[@S2pidMedia]

Two thoughts; 1. Your intro was not up to your usual excellent standard. 2. The rest of this video was very insightful and made up for the intro. Well done!

[@Gibboverse]

It's a football thing

[@juanfiatro923]

How about a video discussing all the main factors of a player/team?

[@MisbehavingChild]

This intro was sublime

[@spring1242]

Svenska Teezeenåk substandard*

[@daolong51279]

You can't bring up Karl Malone without John Stockton. All time leader in assists and steals playing with one of the greatest power forwards of all time. Very low key under the radar player who would occasionally pick up a triple double with points/assists/steals. They just had the misfortune of being across from MJ and Pippen, arguably the best clutch duo to ever play.

[@Tyo-yw9jh]

I’m not sure if Thorin reads his comments but I have a question: Do you see a difference between being a clutch player in 1vX situations and when a player steps up for a team when their team is losing? I’d maybe describe it as a short term clutcher for those good at 1vX’s and long term clutcher for when they step up when their team isn’t performing. Hopefully what I’m trying to say makes sense.

[@AshesOfGravity]

This intro was a real journey

[@katattafish9535]

Thooorin please do an "Events that worked in 2017" video, they're so fun to watch

[@DJMETHEDJ]

Watching a video esports related, getting ads on playing outside Should I be considered?

[@garouwolf8034]

device & thoorin against all

[@Tinskap]

That intro was clutch af

[@chasenjeffries5313]

@Thooorin I would be very interested if you could do a video debating who the top duo's of next year & who you think 2018 will be the year of?

[@chasenjeffries5313]

Also a top 5 csgo awpers all time would be interesting (talking about style, impact, skill, consistency,etc)

[@TheDankner15]

This is a concept I’m happy you brought up to me Clutching is a trait that makes you better not what defines you

[@individual157]

So how do you think device will perform in the upcoming major

[@jacktheaus4371]

Amin Kazimi he will be top 10 players of major bet

[@tallaj5713]

I think rain will be mvp of eleague Boston major

[@gnomehanslan1430]

Looking back at this ever since SK lost Taco, I can see Coldzera's fragging power already dropping off a bit. The difference compared to Niko is that Niko has been kind of complacent because he knows he's surrounded by massive talent and all are basically on the same page and even sacrificing playstyles to fit the system, while Coldzera has to get over the fact that he no longer has Taco, who is willing to bait for him.

[@seanlinehan4724]

Actually Reggie has some pretty big choking moments from his history that are overlooked because of the few clutch moments he did have.

[@QubeleQ97]

Great video Thorin, gave me a lot to think about.

[@crowbar3]

DAMN THAT INTRO JUST GETS ME XD

[@unchartedisawesome]

"greatness is not linked to clutch ability" hiko would disagree :p

[@bigmac7115]

Man I wished you talked about baseball stats

[@BlockoStudios]

Did you make this because of what they said about Hiko on the MDL stream :P

[@nathanenright24]

I think it's best not to think of clutch as a skill that players have, rather think of it as a description of what happened in certain games/matches/rounds. Kobe is considered clutch but if you look at his shooting percentage in situations where he can win the game in the 4th quarter, it's only about 25%. That's pretty terrible. To bring it back to CSGO, xyp9x is known as a clutch player because he's so good in 1vX scenarios. But it's not because he has some innate ability to be "clutch". It's just because he's really, really smart, and really good at finding 1v1 fights that he has the advantage in.

[@koxxmoxx]

Is there even statistically such a thing as “clutch” in csgo? Has anyone statistically looked at it?

[@hilebard]

So.... Onliners are better than finalists?

[@pyryharakka7748]

do a video about the problems of hltv

[@DanoByrnee]

When you've a girlfriend and you game , factory new life.

[@ronisgr7]

So, funnily enough...

[@FredFlexDK]

I would disagree, KennyS is also a good clutch player

[@IridePinkPonies]

He must’ve just watched skip bayless before this

[@matiasaraya5451]

Another great example is Messi, arguably the best football player ever is an aweful clutch player.

[@21stcenturymusicman]

Funnilly enough

[@dual.clutch]

F u n n i l y e n o u g h

[@suprbeat]

Funnily enough, enough, please ;_;

[@yolomcswagson]

Where the fuck is Billy?

[@MrSpawley]

Haha intro baby

[@Sg6CrossOver]

He really wants to divide great fragging in flashy and not when it comes to players like cold and niko...lol

[@Eleon934]

KennyS is pretty clutch tbh

[@kshitijvengurlekar4412]

So Dev1ce > Fallen

[@DREAMWORKERSKY]

yes

[@mantouism]

Fallen taken in account of his ability to IGL is overall a better player

[@kshitijvengurlekar4412]

Manto When Thoorin says, no arguments. Dev1ce > Fallen means Dev1ce > Fallen

[@Aanszo]

Manto he's not an overall better player, he's just more valuable

[@Betega]

man you on some wild shit

[@JustShotsForMeh]

Good intro Give me likes for this *ABSOLUTELY ORIGINAL COMMENT*

[@PALbub]

I generaly love your content but this one seemed to be an obvious mental "release" for you. basicly you need different skills in a team to succeed, not needed to be in one single player. Luckily the major is soon, so you thorin can get out of your mental sparring cage :)

[@droogbear649]

Big shot Robert basketball player ever...

[@jaysunzow]

good stuff

[@XxKrazyPurplexX]

Tell that to mj fans

[@hristo.bogdanov]

This guys sings almost good as me... :)

[@robertgordon7983]

Reggie miller top 1 trash talker all time any sport

[@droogbear649]

Robert Gordon warren sap has a bone to pick

[@Thooorin]

Larry Bird, Gary Payton or Chael Sonnen

[@droogbear649]

Thooorin also good picks I would actually say @thooorin

[@JustShotsForMeh]

Thooorin They're all pretty good, but only one is UNDISPUTED AND UNDEFEATED

[@florentclanet7860]

FalleN isn't fragging ? wut? He's a good fragger, not just "above average".

[@Thooorin]

Enjoy your cult

[@florentclanet7860]

It is not a cult, it's a fact, on all of the 25 events SK attended, FalleN had 12 events with at least +30 kills (over deaths) while fer had 8. Now just K/D ? FalleN has 1.21, fer has 1.16. Ok but fer gets a lot of entries ? FalleN has 1.45 opening kill ratio while fer has 1.22. You are usually the one going by the stats but this time you are ignoring it. FalleN is a strong fragger... it is a fact.

[@leevonm7069]

The Start of this video sounds like Lebron fan's trying to say he's greater than MJ !

[@Thooorin]

As long as you only listened to the start of the video and then commented to waste a brief second of my life that's what really matters.

[@freelancer5623]

herro

[@Andres9562]

I like LoL.

[@Fluskar]

rip

[@MitsuoRLCoach]

lol intro

[@BenWells1993]

Hahaha

[@droogbear649]

Lol intro

[@SomeoneJr]

"No shit" with your host, Duncan Shields.

[@saulosilva1236]

Why is Thorin saying "if you ever seen coldzera playing without fallen", thats 2014 m8, he was playing cs go for 1 year and a half at amateur teams and his faather didnt even allowed him to do it... Great vid, just putting that in context :)

[@danieltapia6432]

Saulo Silva on a high level that’s what he means , coldzera is a beast but under the context of his team so it would be interesting to see him playing apart from fallen and his current team

[@Sg6CrossOver]

Daniel Tapia it wont happen hes on one of greatest team of all time, csgo different from sports info reigns over so playing in domestic team is better and international lines werent good until recent on top of that we have seen other players like s1mple who are top players but won very little of him pn elite team.

[@casperiito]

"If you ever see" is future conditional tense, it is not past tense. He is not referencing 2014. He is referencing a potential future situation whereby cold might not have an IGL and a great entry to put him in situations to frag as he does

[@Sg6CrossOver]

casperiito lol, already happened when sk was only getting to quarter or semis and cold wqs holding them because fer wasnt as great, fallen and fnx werent consistant through out the tournaments and taco was on a slump...

[@casperiito]

How does that have anything to do with the system being built around him?

[@rodrigodestefani7033]

Chokevice better than BadFalleN hahaha :>

[@windiansgamer6820]

device is greater than fallen now i understood thoorin is nooob......\

[@MitsuoRLCoach]

i think theyre both competing and battling for first constantly, hard to tell without your own personal bias

[@MitsuoRLCoach]

also thooorin has said a million times that comparing 2 cs players is very difficult because there's no definition of what is GREATNESS

[@danieltapia6432]

Device puts on the numbers but fallen gets the titles so that makes him better individually but not as impactful as fallen bc fallen isn’t as consistent yet he steps up in big moments

[@MitsuoRLCoach]

My point exactly, both good in different aspects, but 2 of the greatest players of CSGO ever

[@windiansgamer6820]

u r right....

[@jyergs512]

Would you consider Shroud as one of the most clutch players of all time? He lacked in many other categories, but it seems like he is the most known for his clutch potential.

[@DaveSP196]

J Yergs Nope. He didn't always show up at all and ever is way too much.

[@CAKEPLAYCS]

J Yergs shroud had some clutches, but not near the goat in this aspect. In my opinion

[@chuffer595]

In no way. He had good mechanics and filled a role in c9. But he doesn't have the results or the stats of a "great" clutch player

[@tallaj5713]

He was okay at clutching but he lost it in 2017

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

J Yergs Shroud was never in a position to even contest for that title. He played most of his career against shitters and still wasn't that clutch.

[@thriveCSleader]

2nd

[@DampLover]

I would rate Niko as the nr 1. Cold might take the spot later but for now Niko has it. Niko played in an average team for a billion years but still kept improving and making the best teams shit themselfs as soon as he started fragging. Now in FaZe he is still doing the same thing. Cold haven´t been in up their for this long but I´m pretty sure he will.

[@yvngwonderchild]

Lmao

[@renerodrigues4580]

Maximalus I cant even...

[@Sg6CrossOver]

Maximalus top teams?? He couldnt get out of groups and quarter finals despite great perfomaces dont fool yourself

[@kneel3871]

You’re discrediting Cold accomplishment. Niko has a better peak than Cold but Niko is fighting with himself, he chokes and shows no consistency and this will always make him number two until he fix these two major issue. Remember flashy plays doesn’t win you game ;) .

[@percilenis8464]

"Skrilla" is becoming a very cringey word...

[@Roffet]

Alex Malinky not as cringe as cringey :)

[@Thooorin]

Blame the world for your inability to be comfortable with others' expression.

[@jensnielsen4929]

duncan ur a ginger hahaha

[@JustShotsForMeh]

lol im 14 and i cringe at everything i wouldnt say xddD